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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | uk.comp.sys.mac |
| Subject | Re: Catalina is Out! |
| Date | 2019-10-09 16:54 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <091020191654566132%nospam@nospam.invalid> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <qnisfn$s6p$1@dont-email.me> <hU6nF.117195$vE1.2269@fx05.fr7> <qnl5hc$9rb$1@dont-email.me> <091020191417319426%nospam@nospam.invalid> <qnlfpm$c9t$1@dont-email.me> |
In article <qnlfpm$c9t$1@dont-email.me>, Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> wrote: > >> For one thing they do NOT usually > >> have all the capabilities of a full size desktop machine. > > > > many times they have more capabilities. > > > > try using a pencil with your desktop machine, or ar/vr. > > Never used one on any device, and I ain't likely to ever pay that kind > of money for an electronic 'pencil'. I can't think of any task I do on > my phone that I can't do on my iMac. that's fine for you, however, others find a pencil *very* useful, if not required. previously, those users needed a wacom tablet, which although excellent, is not the same as directly drawing on the display itself. and then there's the cameras, gps, accelerometer, compass, direct manipulation and other features that do not exist in any shipping mac. > >> Screen size > >> and keyboard functionality for a start, storage space and connectivity > >> capabilities and so on, and processor performance (including GPU etc). > > > > recent iphones and ipads benchmark faster than most laptops. > > So, where did I mention laptop? nobody said you mentioned them, but that's what most people use. > (and which laptops are you comparing to?) all of them. <https://twitter.com/elkmovie/status/1174003718188142592> N.B.: the highest Geekbench 5 single-core score for *any* Mac is 1262. (2019 iMac 3.6) So the iPhone 11 now offers the fastest single-core performance of any computer Apple has ever made. - The new 2019 iPads probably won't improve on that single-core number much, but if they match the 11's increase in multi-core performance they'll be ahead of every Apple portable except the mid-2019 15" MBPs; a *high-end* ARM MacBook Pro seems very much within reach. <https://www.howtogeek.com/393139/mobile-cpus-are-now-as-fast-as-your-de sktop-pc/> Apple says its new iPad Pros are faster than 92% of all portable PCs thanks to its new A12 X Bionic chip. That¹s already really impressive, but these are tablets. What¹s going on with phones will blow your mind, too. <https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-8-benchmarks-fastest-phone,review-4 676.html> The A11 Bionic chip inside the iPhone 8 and 8 Plus blows away every other phone (and even some laptops) in synthetic benchmarks and real-world tests. ... The iPhone 8 even edged out the score from the 13-inch Apple MacBook Pro with a 7th-generation Core i5 processor. That notebook notched 9,213. Is Geekbench 4 really comparable from phone to desktop? According to the founder of Geekbench, John Poole, ³the short is answer is yes that the scores are comparable across platforms, so if an iPhone 8 scores higher than an i5, then the iPhone 8 is faster than the i5.² > >> Of course they can do an awful lot of what most users need, but IMHO > >> nothing like as easily or with as efficient workflows. > > > > that depends on the task. for some things, they're *more* efficient. > > Not for almost anything I use a computer for. Unless it's making a phone > call. I can't think of anything that isn't improved by using a 27" > screen, a proper mouse/trackball, and a full size extended keyboard for > almost everything I do. you do realize that others have different needs, right? an iphone or ipad fits in a pocket and can go anywhere, while a 27" display cannot. a full size keyboard works perfectly fine with an iphone or ipad for tasks that require a lot of typing. > Solitaire is quite easy on the iPhone though. an iphone can do a *lot* more than just that. people shoot videos *and* edit them on iphones, then upload to youtube or whatever, from just about anywhere they happen to be.
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Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 16:06 -0400
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Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 03:50 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 12:46 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 14:52 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 19:57 +0100
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Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 15:04 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 15:48 +0000
Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 19:55 +0000
Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-12 08:56 +0000
Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-12 09:13 +0000
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Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-08 16:46 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 22:07 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-08 17:35 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 13:02 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 16:27 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 18:31 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 14:17 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 21:26 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 16:54 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 22:24 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 05:50 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 15:41 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 11:35 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 17:52 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 12:55 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 02:46 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 11:28 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! Sara Merriman <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 12:04 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 13:03 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 05:05 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 13:09 +0100
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Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 13:15 -0400
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Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-10 12:46 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 15:34 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 08:07 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 16:18 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 02:40 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-11 16:40 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 09:03 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-11 17:13 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 03:04 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 16:07 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-10-14 08:14 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 20:23 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 20:32 +0100
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Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 20:24 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-14 20:29 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 21:44 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 20:49 +0000
Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 22:05 +0100
Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 21:26 +0000
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Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 12:25 +0100
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Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 12:50 +0100
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Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 13:05 +0100
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Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:08 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
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Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 03:58 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 05:52 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 16:39 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:34 -0700
Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-10 16:28 -0400
Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 03:20 -0700
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Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 08:41 -0700
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