Re: parallel universe

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Date	2015-08-29 04:35 -0700
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Subject	Re: parallel universe
From	Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com>

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On Friday, 28 August 2015 23:11:41 UTC+1, Brian M. Scott  wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:58:00 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
> <genew@telus.net> wrote
> in<news:s6m1ua9pgn08fgv2hv6vq0prhr5uovvdml@4ax.com> in
> rec.arts.sf.written:
> 
> > On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 13:24:29 -0400, "Brian M. Scott"
> > <b.scott@csuohio.edu> wrote:
> 
> > [snip]
> 
> >> I consider it absolutely essential; an alternate history
> >> story is not at all the same thing as a parallel
> >> universe story.  By definition a parallel universe
> >> story must have at least two universes coexisting
> >> within the story.
> 
> > If there is a parallel universe, why would it not suffice
> > to write only about that universe to have the story be a
> > parallel universe story?
> 
> If you write *only* about that universe, there is no
> evidence that it *is* a parallel universe rather than
> simply an alternative universe.

On reflection, I think the useful category is
"parallel UNIVERSES story".  More than one.

Otherwise, the story in which Victorian England
was invaded by Germans - or by Martians - accidentally
becomes a "parallel world" just because it describes
past events that didn't actually happen.

Or perhaps loosen it to "parallel worlds", and allow
all those Star Trek planets.  Or, allow some of them;
the Nazis and the gangsters were actually alien
societies that got rearranged by Earth influence.
I was intentionally cheating by bringing those up.
"The Alternative Factor" is the one where Lazarus
is both a visitor from the anti-matter universe
and - spoiler - his counterpart in the positive
universe.  And one of them was crazy but I'm not
sure which...

For that matter, I think that another "universe" 
that is physically congruent to ours but not /like/ 
ours - Narnia for instance - like the old wallpaper
that you papered over with the new - isn't the same 
thing.  "Parallel universe" really means parallel 
development, or, rather, similar and dissimilar
development from an identical origin.

On the other hand, a "parallel Earth" like the 
Star Trek ones, elsewhere in space - which admittedly
demands a lot of justification - lets you go there
and fight Roman Legions or Nazis, and that'a all
that you want really, isn't it?

So perhaps let the Star Trek ones back in after all...

Also, Bizarro World, and, the planet that /looks/ 
like the Earth but is actually a duplicate made 
so that the alien army can test their invasion
tactics, or their android impersonators.

Thread

parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:01 -0400
  Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-27 20:04 -0400
    Re: parallel universe ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-28 00:14 +0000
      Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 17:24 -0700
        Re: parallel universe nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-08-28 13:58 +0000
          Re: parallel universe Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-08-28 11:02 -0700
            Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 05:01 -0700
  Re: parallel universe djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 01:53 +0000
    Re: parallel universe nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-08-28 04:11 +0000
      Re: parallel universe "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2015-08-28 06:26 +0100
        Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 13:24 -0400
          Re: parallel universe "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-28 20:33 +0100
          Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 14:58 -0700
            Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 18:11 -0400
              Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 23:29 -0700
                Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:08 -0400
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-31 09:12 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:29 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 04:35 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-31 09:27 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 08:05 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:52 -0400
                Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 13:31 -0700
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:35 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 21:47 -0700
              Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-29 09:08 -0600
                Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:10 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:37 +0100
                Re: parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-23 19:40 -0500
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-23 18:32 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-24 04:40 -0800
                Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 11:12 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-11-24 12:08 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 13:07 -0700
                Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:21 -0800
                Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-24 11:58 -0800
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-29 10:09 -0500
                Re: parallel universe "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-12-02 02:51 +0000
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-12-02 01:12 -0800
                Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-12-02 06:44 -0800
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-03 01:03 -0600
                Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-12-03 06:19 -0800
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-24 14:30 -0800
                Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-24 18:02 -0500
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-25 21:34 -0600
                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-25 08:29 +0800
                Re: parallel universe Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 16:49 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 19:44 -0600
                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-26 10:43 +0800
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-02 06:14 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-24 17:59 -0800
                Re: parallel universe Chrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 20:50 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-26 10:44 +0800
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-27 04:01 -0800
                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-28 09:35 +0800
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-28 02:48 -0800
                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-29 12:06 +0800
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-24 17:44 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Brenda <brendawriter@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 22:45 -0500
                Re: parallel universe ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-25 04:07 +0000
                Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 21:35 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-02 06:18 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-11-24 22:21 -0800
              Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:48 -0400
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:32 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 13:39 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-29 14:06 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 22:58 +0100
                Re: parallel universe "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 20:02 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:17 -0700
          Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 21:27 -0400
          Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:26 -0700
            Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-10-15 01:27 -0500
      Re: parallel universe djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 13:04 +0000
        Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-28 06:26 -0700
          Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:51 -0500
            Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 10:50 -0700
              Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 14:11 -0400
              Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-29 21:35 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 03:48 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-31 15:50 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 18:18 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:01 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-02 14:29 -0600
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:32 -0400
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 15:54 -0600
                [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:50 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-03 11:53 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-09-03 22:31 +0000
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 02:01 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-04 06:28 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 11:56 -0500
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 13:17 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 07:53 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 05:44 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 11:27 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-04 11:23 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:10 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-04 13:13 -0600
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:15 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:46 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 23:24 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-05 11:28 -0500
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-05 10:03 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-06 23:17 -0500
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:38 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-03 11:12 -0600
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:58 -0400
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:37 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 03:16 -0700
                Re: parallel universe "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-09-04 11:17 +0100
                Re: parallel universe Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 05:43 -0700
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 12:04 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-05 06:23 -0700
              Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:28 -0400
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:43 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-09-04 11:22 -0600
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 23:25 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-05 07:58 -0700
                Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:56 -0700
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 16:24 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-05 06:36 -0700
        Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 10:28 -0600
  Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 01:03 -0700
    Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-28 06:45 -0700
      Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-28 10:11 -0700
        Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-28 13:19 -0400
          Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 04:42 -0700
            Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-29 09:23 -0600
              Re: parallel universe "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:46 -0400
                Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 14:16 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:13 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:05 -0400
            Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-29 11:57 -0400
              Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:39 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-29 15:52 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 16:06 -0600
            Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:44 +0100
              Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:16 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-02 22:39 +0100
            Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:31 -0400
              Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:44 -0500
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 20:20 -0600
                Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:24 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 03:30 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:58 -0400
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 08:11 -0400
        Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:50 -0500
        Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 22:14 -0600
        Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:15 -0700
    Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 00:55 -0700
      Re: parallel universe je suis charly <charlie-gordon1492@no.where> - 2015-08-29 01:13 -0700
        Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:17 -0700
          Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:30 -0700
            Re: parallel universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-08-29 19:23 +0200
              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 13:54 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-08-31 07:06 +0200
            Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 23:43 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-30 05:20 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-30 13:53 +0000
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-30 09:03 -0600
                Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 13:01 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-30 15:08 -0700
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 16:10 -0400
                Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-30 16:36 -0400
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 18:59 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 20:51 -0700
      Re: parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-13 20:18 -0400
    Re: parallel universe Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-30 03:33 +0000
      Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 03:54 -0700
  Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 01:42 -0700
    Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 02:08 -0700
      Re: parallel universe Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-09-20 02:23 +0000

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