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| From | Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: parallel universe |
| Date | 2015-09-20 02:23 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <20150919a@crcomp.net> (permalink) |
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Butch Malahide wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 3:42:53 AM UTC-5, Butch Malahide wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 7:01:14 PM UTC-5, tony wrote:
> > > What are some of the earliest parallel universe stories?
> >
> > A famous early one is "The Gostak and the Doshes" by Miles J.
> > Breuer, M.D., in the March 1939 Amazing Stories.
>
> What a horrible typo. "The Gostak and the Doshes" was in the
> March 1930 (not 1939) issue of Amazing Stories.
Three weeks later and there's time enough at last in my hectic schedule
to read this story. Thank you. The story appeals to me on many levels.
This part of the story dovetails with other recent threads:
The fourth dimension is just as much *here* as anywhere else.
Right here around you and me things exist and go forward in
the fourth dimension; but we do not see them and are not
conscious of them, because we are confined to our own three.
Secondly; if we name the four coordinates as Einstein does,
x, y, z, and t, then we exist in x, y, z, and move freely
about in them; but are powerless to move in t. Why? Because
t is the time dimension; and the time dimension is a difficult
one for biological structures that depend on irreversible
chemical reactions for their existence.
Fourth dimension talk opens the door to Aristotle. [1] _The Cambridge_
_Companion to Science Fiction_ mentions Aristotle in its "Politics and
science fiction" chapter. Perhaps that makes Aristotle a primordial
science fiction writer? If so, Aristotle may qualify to serve as
fourth dimensional scapegoat in another thread. :)
The best takeaway for me is the idea that biological structures depend
upon irreversible chemical reactions. That makes a Wellsian open air
time unfeasible. Because a boundary must exist between hypertime of the
outside world and the "normal time" of a time traveling organism.
It's similar to the problems encountered in "Perry Rhodan: Prisoner of
Time." The organism must breath an atmosphere that contains "normal
inertia" molecules. A hermetically sealed, "timetight," vessel seems
mandatory for any time machine.
Hypertime also seems relative. The Wellsian time machine induces
?exogenous? hypertime in that the outside world moves faster. While the
Rhodan machine induces ?endogenous? hypertime in that the outside world
moves slower.
The transforms of "The Gostak and the Doshes" tickle my mathematical
mind. It adds a dash of entertainment to Calc II's parametric equations.
Finally, there's the moral of the story. "The Gostak distims the
doshes." The phrase "conscientious objector" needs to be popularized
again. May tomorrow's Occupy Peace initiative at a historic New York
City intersection [2] do the trick.
Note.
1. https://www.google.com/search?q=aristotle+spacetime
2. http://occupypeace.us/
--
,-. There was a young lady named Bright
\_/ Whose speed was far faster than light;
{|||)< Don Kuenz KB7RPU She set out one day
/ \ In a relative way
`-' And returned on the previous night.
What you do speaks so loud that I can not hear what you say. - Emerson.
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parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:01 -0400
Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-27 20:04 -0400
Re: parallel universe ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-28 00:14 +0000
Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 17:24 -0700
Re: parallel universe nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-08-28 13:58 +0000
Re: parallel universe Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-08-28 11:02 -0700
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 05:01 -0700
Re: parallel universe djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 01:53 +0000
Re: parallel universe nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-08-28 04:11 +0000
Re: parallel universe "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2015-08-28 06:26 +0100
Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 13:24 -0400
Re: parallel universe "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-28 20:33 +0100
Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 14:58 -0700
Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 18:11 -0400
Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 23:29 -0700
Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:08 -0400
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-31 09:12 -0400
Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:29 -0700
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 04:35 -0700
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-31 09:27 -0400
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 08:05 -0700
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:52 -0400
Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 13:31 -0700
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:35 -0500
Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 21:47 -0700
Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-29 09:08 -0600
Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:10 -0400
Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:37 +0100
Re: parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-23 19:40 -0500
Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-23 18:32 -0700
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-24 04:40 -0800
Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 11:12 -0700
Re: parallel universe Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-11-24 12:08 -0700
Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 13:07 -0700
Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:21 -0800
Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-24 11:58 -0800
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-29 10:09 -0500
Re: parallel universe "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-12-02 02:51 +0000
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-12-02 01:12 -0800
Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-12-02 06:44 -0800
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-03 01:03 -0600
Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-12-03 06:19 -0800
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-24 14:30 -0800
Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-24 18:02 -0500
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-25 21:34 -0600
Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-25 08:29 +0800
Re: parallel universe Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 16:49 -0700
Re: parallel universe Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 19:44 -0600
Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-26 10:43 +0800
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-02 06:14 -0500
Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-24 17:59 -0800
Re: parallel universe Chrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 20:50 -0700
Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-26 10:44 +0800
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-27 04:01 -0800
Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-28 09:35 +0800
Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-28 02:48 -0800
Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-29 12:06 +0800
Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-24 17:44 -0700
Re: parallel universe Brenda <brendawriter@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 22:45 -0500
Re: parallel universe ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-25 04:07 +0000
Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 21:35 -0700
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-02 06:18 -0500
Re: parallel universe Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-11-24 22:21 -0800
Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:48 -0400
Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:32 -0400
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 13:39 -0700
Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-29 14:06 -0700
Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 22:58 +0100
Re: parallel universe "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 20:02 -0400
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:17 -0700
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 21:27 -0400
Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:26 -0700
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-10-15 01:27 -0500
Re: parallel universe djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 13:04 +0000
Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-28 06:26 -0700
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:51 -0500
Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 10:50 -0700
Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 14:11 -0400
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-29 21:35 -0500
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 03:48 -0700
Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-31 15:50 -0700
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 18:18 -0700
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:01 -0400
Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-02 14:29 -0600
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:32 -0400
Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 15:54 -0600
[OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:50 -0400
Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-03 11:53 -0400
Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-09-03 22:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 02:01 -0400
Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-04 06:28 -0700
Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 11:56 -0500
Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 13:17 -0400
Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 07:53 -0400
Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 05:44 -0700
Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 11:27 -0400
Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-04 11:23 -0700
Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:10 -0400
Re: [OT] Archie comics question David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-04 13:13 -0600
Re: [OT] Archie comics question Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:15 -0400
Re: [OT] Archie comics question Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:46 -0700
Re: [OT] Archie comics question wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 23:24 -0400
Re: [OT] Archie comics question David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-05 11:28 -0500
Re: [OT] Archie comics question Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-05 10:03 -0700
Re: [OT] Archie comics question David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-06 23:17 -0500
Re: [OT] Archie comics question Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:38 -0700
Re: [OT] Archie comics question David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-03 11:12 -0600
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:58 -0400
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:37 -0500
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 03:16 -0700
Re: parallel universe "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-09-04 11:17 +0100
Re: parallel universe Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 05:43 -0700
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 12:04 -0500
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-05 06:23 -0700
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:28 -0400
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:43 -0500
Re: parallel universe Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-09-04 11:22 -0600
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 23:25 -0400
Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-05 07:58 -0700
Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:56 -0700
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 16:24 -0500
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-05 06:36 -0700
Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 10:28 -0600
Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 01:03 -0700
Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-28 06:45 -0700
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-28 10:11 -0700
Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-28 13:19 -0400
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 04:42 -0700
Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-29 09:23 -0600
Re: parallel universe "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:46 -0400
Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 14:16 -0700
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:13 -0700
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:05 -0400
Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-29 11:57 -0400
Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:39 -0400
Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-29 15:52 -0400
Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 16:06 -0600
Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:44 +0100
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:16 -0400
Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-02 22:39 +0100
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:31 -0400
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:44 -0500
Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 20:20 -0600
Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:24 -0700
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 03:30 -0700
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:58 -0400
Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 08:11 -0400
Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:50 -0500
Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 22:14 -0600
Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:15 -0700
Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 00:55 -0700
Re: parallel universe je suis charly <charlie-gordon1492@no.where> - 2015-08-29 01:13 -0700
Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:17 -0700
Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:30 -0700
Re: parallel universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-08-29 19:23 +0200
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 13:54 -0700
Re: parallel universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-08-31 07:06 +0200
Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 23:43 -0700
Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-30 05:20 -0700
Re: parallel universe Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-30 13:53 +0000
Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-30 09:03 -0600
Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 13:01 -0700
Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-30 15:08 -0700
Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 16:10 -0400
Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-30 16:36 -0400
Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 18:59 -0400
Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 20:51 -0700
Re: parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-13 20:18 -0400
Re: parallel universe Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-30 03:33 +0000
Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 03:54 -0700
Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 01:42 -0700
Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 02:08 -0700
Re: parallel universe Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-09-20 02:23 +0000
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