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Re: cellular needed for Covid tracking?

From nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: cellular needed for Covid tracking?
Date 2020-12-08 17:11 -0500
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <081220201711569299%nospam@nospam.invalid> (permalink)
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In article <rqou1l.k9s.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> [VanguardLH's comments snipped, because they're mostly implicitly echoed
> in nospam's response.]
> 
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> [...]
> > no it can't.
> > 
> > it sense people who are very close and for an extended period of time. 
> > 
> > that isn't going to happen at a grocery store unless someone works
> > there, in which case they really are exposed to hundreds of people.
> > 
> > for the random shopper, no.
> [...]
> > that would require an extremely long stoplight and being unusually
> > close to another vehicle, so no.
> [...]
> > it doesn't alert everyone within bluetooth range. only those who are at
> > a potential risk of exposure.
> [...]
> > it has absolutely nothing to do with who is in your contacts list.
> [...]
> > two weeks, and it's definitely mentioned.
> [...]
> > what about them? they're not going to be included since the time is
> > much too short.
> [...]
> > it's not designed to detect every possible exposure. nothing can.
> [...]
> > it doesn't track people and in fact is designed so that it *can't* be
> > used to track people, although that won't appease the tinfoil hat
> > crowd.
> [...]
> 
> +<very_large_number>
> 
>   Thanks for your response, especially the last bit! :-)

the apple/google system is based on work done at mit. 

note that one of the key people in its design is ron rivest, the 'r' in
rsa cryptography. 

<https://news.mit.edu/2020/bluetooth-covid-19-contact-tracing-0409>
  A team led by MIT researchers and including experts from many
  institutions is developing a system that augments ³manual² contact
  tracing by public health officials, while preserving the privacy of
  all individuals. The system relies on short-range Bluetooth signals
  emitted from people¹s smartphones. These signals represent random
  strings of numbers, likened to ³chirps² that other nearby smartphones
  can remember hearing.
...
  ³I keep track of what I¹ve broadcasted, and you keep track of what
  you¹ve heard, and this will allow us to tell if someone was in close
  proximity to an infected person,² says Ron Rivest, MIT Institute
  Professor and principal investigator of the project. ³But for these
  broadcasts, we¹re using cryptographic techniques to generate random,
  rotating numbers that are not just anonymous, but pseudonymous,
  constantly changing their ŒID,¹ and that can¹t be traced back to an
  individual.²
...
  ³We¹re not tracking location, not using GPS, not attaching your
  personal ID or phone number to any of these random numbers your
  phone is emitting,² says Daniel Weitzner, a principal research
  scientist in the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence
  Laboratory (CSAIL) and co-principal investigator of this effort.
  ³What we want is to enable everyone to participate in a shared
  process of seeing if you might have been in contact, without
  revealing, or forcing anyone to reveal, anything.²

main site:
<https://pact.mit.edu>
  PACT: Private Automated Contact Tracing

official spec:
<https://pact.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/The-PACT-protocol-speci
fication-2020.pdf>

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  Re: cellular needed for Covid tracking? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2020-12-08 02:11 -0600
    Re: cellular needed for Covid tracking? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2020-12-08 08:54 +0000
    Re: cellular needed for Covid tracking? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2020-12-08 16:39 +0000
      Re: cellular needed for Covid tracking? KenW                                        <ken1943@invalid.net> - 2020-12-08 13:01 -0700
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        Re: cellular needed for Covid tracking? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-12-09 06:00 -0500
        Re: cellular needed for Covid tracking? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2020-12-09 11:16 +0000
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        Re: cellular needed for Covid tracking? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2020-12-09 20:19 +0000
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