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Re: Experience with Smith Micro?

From nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Experience with Smith Micro?
Date 2014-02-07 18:43 -0500
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In article <k-2dnfJzu9fQy2jPnZ2dnUVZ8jadnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> >>>>>> The mere mention of monster cable drives me up the wall. Its use makes
> >>>>>> no sense to me at all. Correct me if I am wrong, but monster cable is
> >>>>>> what is called litz wire. It is a way of minimizing skin and proximity
> >>>>>> effects in large conductors. Its only effect is to lower resistance in
> >>>>>> the cable at high frequencies. for most people above the age of 20 it
> >>>>>> would make no difference. A little high frequency boost would
> >>>>>> compensate
> >>>>>> for the extra loss.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> there is no skin effect at audio frequencies.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is a skin effect at any frequency.
> >>>
> >>> when the skin effect is thicker than the wire itself, it makes no
> >>> difference whatsoever, which is the case for speaker wire.
> >>>
> >>>> The issue is whether it
> >>>> affects audio performance.  It does not.
> >>>
> >>> of course not. it doesn't affect anything because the wire is thinner
> >>> than the skin depth.
> >>>
> >>>> (Eg: power lines (50/60 Hz) have stainless steel cores (which do not
> >>>> conduct well) for strength and aluminum conductor layers outside.  The
> >>>> skin effect pushes most of the current through the outer layers so there
> >>>> is less overall material by using stronger stainless steel in the core
> >>>> where there is less current.  Also why many high voltage transmission
> >>>> lines (750 kV) use 2 or 3 or 4 conductors on each phase - the air gap is
> >>>> "inside the skin" of the conductors).
> >>>
> >>> power lines are very different than stranded speaker wire.
> >>
> >> Not for the subject at hand - skin effect.
> >
> >> You said "there is no skin effect at audio frequencies."
> >>
> >> Which is wrong all the way to the lowest audible frequencies and below.
> >
> > not on speaker cables it isn't, which is the topic.
> >
> > this isn't about high voltage power distribution and you know it.
> 
> Again, you made a simple declarative statement that is false.
> 
> Indeed, 1) in speaker wire at audio frequencies there is a skin effect 
> but (as previously covered) 2) it has no audible effect.  So your 
> statement should have been "yep, but it doesn't affect the sound at all" 
> or words to that effect.
> 
> But in typical form you're trying to weasel your way out as I and 
> several others have pointed out to you on many, many an occasion.

nothing of the sort.

what *you* are doing is desperately trying to find the slightest thing
wrong with what i post, so much so that you bring up irrelevant things.

it's quite clear that this discussion is about speaker cable and the
audible effects of audiophile scams, not about power distribution
cables. whether there's skin effect in the power grid is *not* part of
this. 

although it's technically true there is a skin effect on any cable,
when it is deeper than the thickness of the wire itself, there is no
skin effect, which is why i said what i did.

but of course, you have nothing better to do than nitpick every little
detail.

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          Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 15:39 -0500
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              Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 21:43 -0500
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          Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 18:19 -0500
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        Re: Experience with Smith Micro? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-05 13:34 -0500
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