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Re: The Quark Religion

Newsgroups sci.physics
Date 2018-08-31 00:31 -0700
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Subject Re: The Quark Religion
From poraty149@gmail.com

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On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 9:53:40 AM UTC+3, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:18:43 PM UTC+10, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 6:05:05 AM UTC+3, Arindam Bane 
> > > > > >>> it must be
> > > > > >>> or positive plus something  negative
> > > > > >>> or no 'chagrget at all
> > > > > >>> but something else
> > > > > >>> see
> > > > > >>> http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
> > > > > >>> ======
> > > > > >>> TIA
> > > > > >>> Y.P
> > > > > >>> ======================
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Signed zero? ;^)
> > > > > > =================
> > > > > > speak physics !!
> > > > > > and if you don t understand
> > > > > > shut up !!
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > Y.P
> > > > > > =======================
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sorry. I just thought of zero with signs when I read your reply.
> > > > ====================
> > > > ok thank you for  clarifying so 
> > > > we agree that there is something smaller than say quarks 
> > > > 2
> > > > do you agree with me that
> > > > all* forces** are created / and  emitted by mass 
> > > > 
> > > > (i cant find the  English word for that
> > > > 'created and emitted '' ) 
> > > > TIA 
> > > > ==
> > > > Y.Porat
> > > > ==================================
> > > 
> > > Movement of mass, of course, is the evidence of force. Unless mass moves, there is no force.
> > ======================
> > ok !!
> > so ?
> > according  to you 
> > what seems t o you more**basic** 
> > mass or movement ??
> > btw
> > movement is ALWAYS MOVEMNT OF* SOMETHING*
> > SO WHAT IS THAT ''SOMETHING'' ACCORDING TO YOU ?
> 
> 
> Yes, force relates to acceleration leading to movement, mostly seen as the vibration of the aetheric matter filling the universe.
> > 
> > or i will ask it is a different way :
> > 
> > do you have a better ''candidate ''
> > for that ''something''
> > better than mass !!
> 
> 
> I will say matter, for mass being a quantity is a property of matter. A certain amount of matter is defined by its average density and volume, and the product of that is mass.  Matter is thus more fundamental than mass. Mass is useful in the context of force, for force acts upon some specific mass.
> 
> > (don t you think that mass is the most** tangible**
> > *physical entity* that we know and even sence (sense --with our senses )
> > you  say that my above assertion is 'questionable'
> 
> 
> Force is on the whole as tangible as matter. Without force there is no evidence of matter, and without matter there is no scope for force. I cannot put one above the other. It is for dead objects for which force does not matter. For life forms, force matters more than matter, for life derives from force. 
> > 
> > yes indeed not easy to understand  
> > but for that there is need for some .moreetrhlittle .......
> > for humbility sake 
> > i will  not say what is that little something that is needed **
> > in our case ...
> > ??
> > but it took too long to get it ...
> > more than 100  years !!
> > at any case 
> > not f en 'curved space'
> > something else that  is curved !
> > ----
> > Michel Faraday was the first one 
> > 'to put hie finger '' on it
> > by his historic  ingenious experiment !! 
> > with  the permanent magnet
> > and the**curved** force lines  
> > but no one
> > was cleaver enough to **push it further** !
> > =======================
> >  
> >  The proof of force, is the movement of mass.
> > > 
> > > Your point that mass "creates or emits" force is questionable. 
> > > 
> > > Force is not a property or quality of mass, so it has to exist as a separate entity.  Force being a separate entity, it is difficult to see how it can be created or emitted from mass.
> > > 
> > > On the other hand, gravity is the peculiar force which is apparently emitted by a mass in all directions up to infinity, to attract all the other masses in the universe.
> > =============================
> > Bravo !!!!!
> > i could not expect a more correct understanding 
> > folowing
> > my being the first one to do it ...!!
> > =
> > do you now about another  one
> > who precedent me
> > about that assertion that
> > ========================================
> > 
> > MASS** IS THE' MOTHER*/ CREATOR OF ALL!! FORCES!!
> > INCLUDING GRAVITY !!'
> > ===========================================
> 
> > 
> > \\\ end of many times before quote - recorded here  in Google 
> > ================================
> > TIA
> > Y.P
> > =====================
Arindam
there are cases that you only see !!
mass 
ie
no force is involved  !!
ie massin that case is inactive 
2
mass and matter are 
words !!
to describe the same thing

3
what are  the  physical dimensions  of force ?.....
do you find mass in it ?
so 
what is more basic ??.....
TIA
Y.lP
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