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  Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-07-01 11:35 +0000
    Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals NY <me@privacy.net> - 2026-07-01 15:54 +0100
      Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-01 17:47 +0100
        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-07-15 23:16 +0100
          Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-16 09:53 +0100
            Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-07-16 11:01 +0100
              Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals SH <i.love@spam.com> - 2026-07-16 19:00 +0100
                Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-07-16 22:34 +0100
                  Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals SH <i.love@spam.com> - 2026-07-17 08:24 +0100
                    Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2026-07-18 04:29 +0100
                      Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-07-18 07:43 +0000
                        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-18 11:17 +0100
                          Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-07-18 10:53 +0000
                            Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-18 12:48 +0100
                              Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-18 13:47 +0100
                                Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Abandoned Trolley <that.bloke@microsoft.com> - 2026-07-18 14:25 +0100
                                  Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-18 14:37 +0100
                                Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-18 14:42 +0100
                                  Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-18 16:16 +0100
                                    Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Laurence Taylor <laurence@nospam.plus.com> - 2026-07-18 17:07 +0100
                                      Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-18 18:07 +0100
                                        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-18 19:36 +0100
                                          Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> - 2026-07-18 18:46 +0000
                                          Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-19 09:12 +0100
                                        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-19 08:35 +0100
                                          Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals jon <reading.mostly@crap.org> - 2026-07-19 16:02 +0000
                          Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-18 13:42 +0100
                            Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-18 14:55 +0100
                              Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-07-18 15:17 +0000
                              Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-19 00:24 +0100
                                Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-19 08:54 +0100
                                  Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-19 10:22 +0100
    Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-01 16:29 +0100
      Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-07-01 16:21 +0000
        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-01 17:35 +0100
    Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-01 18:16 +0100
      Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-01 18:42 +0100
        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-07-02 07:55 +0000
    Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Dave W <davewi11@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-07-02 12:28 +0100
      Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-07-02 13:46 +0000
        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-03 09:17 +0100
        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Dave W <davewi11@yahoo.co.uk> - 2026-07-03 18:51 +0100
          Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-03 19:17 +0100
            Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-04 11:54 +0100
    Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-07-03 15:31 +0100
      Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-07-03 15:35 +0100
        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> - 2026-07-03 17:06 +0100
          Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-07-03 23:17 +0100
    Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-07-09 18:26 +0100
      Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> - 2026-07-09 22:34 +0100
        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 08:43 +0100
          Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-10 09:51 +0100
      Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-07-10 08:48 +0000
        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 11:20 +0100
          Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com> - 2026-07-10 11:00 +0000
          Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> - 2026-07-10 16:52 +0100
            Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-10 18:33 +0100
              Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2026-07-15 22:01 +0100
                Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-17 09:01 +0100
                  Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-17 12:15 +0100
                    Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-18 07:56 +0100
                      Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-18 08:34 +0100
                        Re: Non Freesat box to Receive Satellite Signals alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> - 2026-07-20 07:31 +0100

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#249666

On 18/07/2026 17:07, Laurence Taylor wrote:
> On 18/07/2026 16:16, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> 
>> It's not the need to have accounts that I am concerned about, it's the
>> necessity to watch or record broadcast services to somebody else's
>> timetable instead of your own. With online services you don't need to
>> record anything; the recordings are all there, whenever you want them.
> 
> Until they aren't, and you find you can't watch what you want because
> it's been taken down. I prefer to have physical posession of stuff.

Six years ago a car took out the BT cabinet here with all the DSLAM 
equipment in it. There were 176 households (including mine) with no 
internet connection for a week. A couple of years later an SSE crew cut 
through the BT cables to half-a-dozen or so houses here. I was without 
broadband internet for a couple of days. I do have a mobile phone, but 
it only has 10GB a month allowance. There's not too much you could 
stream with that.

-- 
Jeff

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#249667

Jeff Layman wrote:

> I do have a mobile phone, but it only has 10GB a month allowance. 
> There's not too much you could stream with that.

But it'd let you buy a SIM with a larger allowance ...

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#249668

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:

>> I do have a mobile phone, but it only has 10GB a month allowance. 
>> There's not too much you could stream with that.

> But it'd let you buy a SIM with a larger allowance ...

Most providers let you buy a (temporary) data boost of some kind, which is
what I did when a woman showing off her new Beemer totalled (as in ‘totally
flattened’) the local cabinet. It was quite interesting seeing what new
WiFi networks sprung up as a result.

-- 
Spike

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#249672

On 18/07/2026 19:36, Andy Burns wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
> 
>> I do have a mobile phone, but it only has 10GB a month allowance.
>> There's not too much you could stream with that.
> 
> But it'd let you buy a SIM with a larger allowance ...

True, but several months ago I "lost" mobile internet here. It was very 
odd; When I first turned my phone on early in the morning, the 
connection was fine (over 15Mbps). Over the next couple of hours I 
slowly lost the connection (the phone still connected without issue over 
wifi using my landline broadband. It also worked perfectly for text and 
phone calls). Eventually, it stopped accessing the internet completely. 
Next morning things were ok, and then dropped off again - and so on.

After a few days I called into the local Vodafone shop (15km away). They 
tested the phone and it connected ok, and also said there was nothing 
wrong with the mast I used at home. When I got home I lost the 
connection over the next couple of hours.

A week later I was in a city about the same distance away and went into 
the larger Voda shop there. I recounted the problem, and they again 
tested the phone and said it was ok. They also checked the information 
for my (home) mast and said it was ok, but also said I should report the 
issue online to Voda (which I'd already done).

When I got home the connection remained ok, and the next morning was 
fine too, and has remained that way since. Coincidence after calling 
into the second Voda shop?

All I'm trying to point out is that within the last few years I've lost 
broadband/mobile connection several times. For the previous 50 years or 
so with analogue and now digital terrestrial TV, the only time I lost a 
signal was after the great storm of 1987 which "realigned" my TV aerial.

-- 
Jeff

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#249670

On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 18:07:23 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On 18/07/2026 17:07, Laurence Taylor wrote:
>> On 18/07/2026 16:16, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> 
>>> It's not the need to have accounts that I am concerned about, it's the
>>> necessity to watch or record broadcast services to somebody else's
>>> timetable instead of your own. With online services you don't need to
>>> record anything; the recordings are all there, whenever you want them.
>> 
>> Until they aren't, and you find you can't watch what you want because
>> it's been taken down. I prefer to have physical posession of stuff.
>
>Six years ago a car took out the BT cabinet here with all the DSLAM 
>equipment in it. There were 176 households (including mine) with no 
>internet connection for a week. A couple of years later an SSE crew cut 
>through the BT cables to half-a-dozen or so houses here. I was without 
>broadband internet for a couple of days. I do have a mobile phone, but 
>it only has 10GB a month allowance. There's not too much you could 
>stream with that.

I have a mobile phone bundle that gives me unlimited calls and texts
and 3GB data for £5 per month. This is enough for my normal usage, but
there's an app on my phone with which I can check at any time how much
data has been used, and buy more on a one-off basis or upgrade to a
different bundle. In other words, my 'allowance' can be whatever I
want it to be, and I'm in control of it.

And if I ever have to be without the use of the internet for any
length of time, I still know how to read books.

Rod.

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#249674

On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 08:35:24 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 18:07:23 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>>On 18/07/2026 17:07, Laurence Taylor wrote:
>>> On 18/07/2026 16:16, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It's not the need to have accounts that I am concerned about, it's
>>>> the necessity to watch or record broadcast services to somebody
>>>> else's timetable instead of your own. With online services you don't
>>>> need to record anything; the recordings are all there, whenever you
>>>> want them.
>>> 
>>> Until they aren't, and you find you can't watch what you want because
>>> it's been taken down. I prefer to have physical posession of stuff.
>>
>>Six years ago a car took out the BT cabinet here with all the DSLAM
>>equipment in it. There were 176 households (including mine) with no
>>internet connection for a week. A couple of years later an SSE crew cut
>>through the BT cables to half-a-dozen or so houses here. I was without
>>broadband internet for a couple of days. I do have a mobile phone, but
>>it only has 10GB a month allowance. There's not too much you could
>>stream with that.
> 
> I have a mobile phone bundle that gives me unlimited calls and texts and
> 3GB data for £5 per month. This is enough for my normal usage, but
> there's an app on my phone with which I can check at any time how much
> data has been used, and buy more on a one-off basis or upgrade to a
> different bundle. In other words, my 'allowance' can be whatever I want
> it to be, and I'm in control of it.
> 
> And if I ever have to be without the use of the internet for any length
> of time, I still know how to read books.
> 
> Rod.

My phone auto connects to the hub and uses my internet connection whilst I 
am at home.

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#249657

On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 11:17:16 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>>> I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.
>> 
>> Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with
>> streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming device,
>> assuming you have a decent Internet connection.
>
>Closing down *when*? Apart from The Guardian article 
>(<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/29/as-most-tv-viewers-tune-in-via-broadband-will-2034-signal-the-death-of-freeview>), 
>now approaching six months old, there seems to have been nothing 
>official on the subject. 

There doesn't need to be anything 'official' about it for the future
of conventional broadcasting to be clear. The only thing in doubt is
the time frame. Fibre to the home offers so many potential features
with which one-way broadcasting by radio transmission cannot compete
that it can only be a matter of time before it completely replaces all
other communication and entertainment services in our homes.

Rod.

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#249662

On 18/07/2026 13:42, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 11:17:16 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>>>> I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.
>>>
>>> Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with
>>> streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming device,
>>> assuming you have a decent Internet connection.
>>
>> Closing down *when*? Apart from The Guardian article
>> (<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/29/as-most-tv-viewers-tune-in-via-broadband-will-2034-signal-the-death-of-freeview>),
>> now approaching six months old, there seems to have been nothing
>> official on the subject.
> 
> There doesn't need to be anything 'official' about it for the future
> of conventional broadcasting to be clear. The only thing in doubt is
> the time frame. 

But that's the point. Until a time is announced there is *no* change!

Fibre to the home offers so many potential features
> with which one-way broadcasting by radio transmission cannot compete
> that it can only be a matter of time before it completely replaces all
> other communication and entertainment services in our homes.

No FTTP here, just FTTC. I'm pretty sure that Openreach's December 2026 
date will be passed for me and many others. Not that I need FTTP; FTTC 
is quite enough to stream UHD.

It offers many more potential features to the broadcasters, programme 
makers, advertisers, and data collectors than it does to the viewers. 
Streaming on demand for /all/ programmes is not available present, but 
perhaps will be in the future, and that is the only "advantage" I can 
see. What other features do you see that are not already available on 
the internet to any broadband user?

How will the viewer find out about new programmes other than endless 
adverts/trailers which already seem to fill in-between programme spaces, 
even (or should that be particularly!) on the BBC. Will we be getting a 
"Streaming Now and in Future" guide, with those able to pay more for 
premium spaces getting the best position to push their new programmes? I 
already find iPlayer annoying because it pushes what it thinks I should 
be watching rather than what I want to watch. I pay for the paper Radio 
Times because I find every EPG I find on line far more difficult to scan 
through in the same way that I can do with the RT.

-- 
Jeff

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#249663

On 18/07/2026 in message <113g0k6$3cb20$3@dont-email.me> Jeff Layman wrote:

>On 18/07/2026 13:42, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>>On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 11:17:16 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>>I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.
>>>>
>>>>Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with
>>>>streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming 
>>>>device,
>>>>assuming you have a decent Internet connection.
>>>
>>>Closing down when? Apart from The Guardian article
>>>(<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/29/as-most-tv-viewers-tune-in-via-broadband-will-2034-signal-the-death-of-freeview>),
>>>now approaching six months old, there seems to have been nothing
>>>official on the subject.
>>
>>There doesn't need to be anything 'official' about it for the future
>>of conventional broadcasting to be clear. The only thing in doubt is
>>the time frame.
>
>But that's the point. Until a time is announced there is no change!

We know a change is coming in the not too distant future, I made the 
choice not to invest in any more broadcast kit (aerial or receivers) but 
am concentrating on streaming kit.

-- 
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
We chose to do this not because it is easy but because we thought it would 
be easy.

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#249669

On 18/07/2026 14:55, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 18/07/2026 13:42, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2026 11:17:16 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I've been thinking about restoring TV to the property for some time.
>>>>
>>>> Is it worth it? Broadcast TV is closing down and being replaced with
>>>> streamed TV, you'd be better of with Freely or a decent streaming 
>>>> device,
>>>> assuming you have a decent Internet connection.
>>>
>>> Closing down *when*? Apart from The Guardian article
>>> (<https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/29/as-most-tv-viewers-tune-in-via-broadband-will-2034-signal-the-death-of-freeview>),
>>> now approaching six months old, there seems to have been nothing
>>> official on the subject.
>>
>> There doesn't need to be anything 'official' about it for the future
>> of conventional broadcasting to be clear. The only thing in doubt is
>> the time frame. 
> 
> But that's the point. Until a time is announced there is *no* change!
> 

Its pretty much written in the contracts. The transmitters are owned by 
Arqiva. The BBCs contracts expire in 2030, ITV in 2034. There is no way 
these contracts will be renewed in their current form. The broadcasters 
don't want it. Arqiva have proposed a reduced service, with three 
multiplexes rather than the current six, but the broadcasters are 
arguing for a total move to streaming.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2026/06/09/arqiva-proposes-slimmed-down-freeview-network-through-to-2045/

so things will change from 2034, its just how much will they change.

> Fibre to the home offers so many potential features
>> with which one-way broadcasting by radio transmission cannot compete
>> that it can only be a matter of time before it completely replaces all
>> other communication and entertainment services in our homes.
> 
> No FTTP here, just FTTC. I'm pretty sure that Openreach's December 2026 
> date will be passed for me and many others. Not that I need FTTP; FTTC 
> is quite enough to stream UHD.
>

The January 2027 deadline is not about the demise of FTTC it is about 
the demise of the PSTN. So if you still have a real telephone you won't 
have by then. Yes it might look like a real telephone, and fit in the 
wall socket, but it will be converted to VOIP in the "Exchange" and you 
will have to dial the full number.

FTTC is not scheduled to be retired until 2030...


> It offers many more potential features to the broadcasters, programme 
> makers, advertisers, and data collectors than it does to the viewers. 
> Streaming on demand for /all/ programmes is not available present, but 
> perhaps will be in the future, and that is the only "advantage" I can 
> see. What other features do you see that are not already available on 
> the internet to any broadband user?
> 

which as well as the costs, is why the broadcasters want to ditch 
broadcast TV

> How will the viewer find out about new programmes other than endless 
> adverts/trailers which already seem to fill in-between programme spaces, 
> even (or should that be particularly!) on the BBC. Will we be getting a 
> "Streaming Now and in Future" guide, with those able to pay more for 
> premium spaces getting the best position to push their new programmes? I 
> already find iPlayer annoying because it pushes what it thinks I should 
> be watching rather than what I want to watch. I pay for the paper Radio 
> Times because I find every EPG I find on line far more difficult to scan 
> through in the same way that I can do with the RT.

The demise of broadcast TV isn't the same as the demise of linear TV. 
Perhaps Radio Times will continue.

I think one thing which you didn't mention, perhaps you are not aware of 
is "Freely" which is replacing YouView/Freeview Play on many new TVs.

It delivers a hybrid broadcast/streamed equivalent of almost all of the 
Freeview channels so could provide a transparent migration from linear 
broadcast to linear streamed TV.

You can already simply connect a Freely set to the Internet and it will 
deliver the vast majority of Freeview channels over the internet.
If you connect an antenna it will select the off-air signals.

So if you have a TV with Freely its already equipped to provide a 
seamless transition from broadcast TV to Streamed Linear TV.

That bastion of the UK press "The Times" already publishes sections 
entitled "The best on Netflix/Sky/Disney+/Prime/...."
> 

By the way, I must say I am not great at predicting the future so your 
vision might be truer..

Dave

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#249671

On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 00:24:27 +0100, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
wrote:

>The January 2027 deadline is not about the demise of FTTC it is about 
>the demise of the PSTN. So if you still have a real telephone you won't 
>have by then. Yes it might look like a real telephone, and fit in the 
>wall socket, but it will be converted to VOIP in the "Exchange" and you 
>will have to dial the full number.

My telephone is exactly the same one I've had since before my landline
was removed when my connection was changed to fibre. It plugs into the
router instead of a wall socket, but in use it works exactly as it did
before. I didn't have to change any settings on the phone and I don't
have to dial anything different. When people call me they call the
same number as before, and nobody has commented on any percieved
difference. If anything, the sound is clearer.

And there's a neat feature of my system (Zen with Fritzbox) that I
don't think they all have. I can make or answer calls on the house
phone using an app on my mobile. This is sometimes handy anyway, and
my mobile has much better speakerphone performance and a battery that
doesn't conk out after an hour or so like most cordless handsets that
use a couple of AAA cells.

Rod.

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#249673

On 19/07/2026 08:54, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 00:24:27 +0100, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> The January 2027 deadline is not about the demise of FTTC it is about
>> the demise of the PSTN. So if you still have a real telephone you won't
>> have by then. Yes it might look like a real telephone, and fit in the
>> wall socket, but it will be converted to VOIP in the "Exchange" and you
>> will have to dial the full number.
> 
> My telephone is exactly the same one I've had since before my landline
> was removed when my connection was changed to fibre. It plugs into the
> router instead of a wall socket, but in use it works exactly as it did
> before. I didn't have to change any settings on the phone and I don't
> have to dial anything different. When people call me they call the
> same number as before, and nobody has commented on any percieved
> difference. If anything, the sound is clearer.
> 
> And there's a neat feature of my system (Zen with Fritzbox) that I
> don't think they all have. I can make or answer calls on the house
> phone using an app on my mobile. This is sometimes handy anyway, and
> my mobile has much better speakerphone performance and a battery that
> doesn't conk out after an hour or so like most cordless handsets that
> use a couple of AAA cells.

I'm on digital voice with Zen too. As you say, it works fine with the 
original (DECT) phone. The only strange thing I've found is that when a 
call in is terminated, there are three or four engaged tones heard 
before the phone disconnects. Oddly, they appear at the end of an 
answerphone message left on the DECT too!

-- 
Jeff

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#249577

On Wed 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> 
> After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be 
> heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for 
> alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable 
> to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.
> 
> Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.
> 
> Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point 
> me to) a review?
> 
> I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a 
> Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from 
> being any sort of expert though.
> 


Have a look at Manhattan products. I have one of their bog-standard HD 
receivers and it works a treat. Plenty of on-line info or toddle along 
to Currys.

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#249578

On 01/07/2026 in message <1123bom$1v02g$1@dont-email.me> Woody wrote:

>On Wed 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>>After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be  
>>heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for  
>>alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable  
>>to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.
>>
>>Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.
>>
>>Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point  
>>me to) a review?
>>
>>I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a  Linux 
>>box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from  being any 
>>sort of expert though.
>>
>
>
>Have a look at Manhattan products. I have one of their bog-standard HD 
>receivers and it works a treat. Plenty of on-line info or toddle along to 
>Currys.

Can you save recordings to play on other devices?

-- 
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
If it's not broken, mess around with it until it is

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#249579

On Wed 01/07/2026 17:21, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 01/07/2026 in message <1123bom$1v02g$1@dont-email.me> Woody wrote:
> 
>> On Wed 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>
>>> After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be 
>>> heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for 
>>> alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more 
>>> amenable to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.
>>>
>>> Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.
>>>
>>> Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or 
>>> point me to) a review?
>>>
>>> I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a  
>>> Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from  
>>> being any sort of expert though.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Have a look at Manhattan products. I have one of their bog-standard HD 
>> receivers and it works a treat. Plenty of on-line info or toddle along 
>> to Currys.
> 
> Can you save recordings to play on other devices?
> 

Mine is not a recorder but I've seen such in Currys....

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#249581

On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> 
> After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be 
> heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for 
> alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable 
> to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.
> 
> Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.
> 
> Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point 
> me to) a review?
> 
> I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a 
> Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from 
> being any sort of expert though.
> 


Just put OpenVix on them. The software supports UK satellite rather well 
(Freesat or for a few more channels Sky Free to air). But from World of 
Satellite and they will put open Vix on for you for I think (£1)
Add a hard disk to a Enigma 2 box (of which both the above are) and with 
openvix you have a fully functioning PVR. Some models can take an 
internal HDD and some require a external USB drive (or NAS).

There is an active user group for these boxes and the Openvix software

World of Satellite
https://www.world-of-satellite.co.uk/satellite-receivers

OpenVix
https://www.openvix.co.uk/
https://www.openvix.co.uk/index.php/openvix-features-2/

User Forums
https://world-of-satellite.com/

These are moderated groups and possibly the easiest way to use them is 
to sign up and then just select new posts from the menu near the top of 
the opening page. Most posts are about the boxes and Openvix.

Openvix is written by hobbyists many of whom post to the forum and 
answer any questions.

You don't necessarily need any Linux knowledge with Openvix although a 
smattering may help. Some of the terminology may be slightly off putting 
at first but you soon get used to it. They call the channel list a 
bouquet for instance.  Also what may be helpful to find if you do get a 
box is the web interface (webif). Network the box and then just type the 
IP of the box into a Internet browser and the box gives you the 
interface. Some channel configuration (sorting/deleting channels etc) 
may/will be easier than trying to do it with the remote and TV screen.


-- 
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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#249582

On 01/07/2026 18:16, alan_m wrote:
> On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:


>> I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a 
>> Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from 
>> being any sort of expert though.
>>
> 
> 
> Just put OpenVix on them. The software supports UK satellite rather well 
> (Freesat or for a few more channels Sky Free to air). But from World of 
> Satellite and they will put open Vix on for you for I think (£1)
> Add a hard disk to a Enigma 2 box (of which both the above are) and with 
> openvix you have a fully functioning PVR. Some models can take an 
> internal HDD and some require a external USB drive (or NAS).

Whichever box you do buy I would recommend a box with at least two tuners.

There are enigma 2 boxes that have a single satellite tuner, some with 
2, some with slots for 4 (or more). They will be at different price points.

What LNB do you have? The sky Q wideband type LNB don't work with Enigma 
2 boxes, and possibly all 3rd party boxes except 1 or 2 Freesat banded 
boxes. You need a universal dual/quad/octo LNB or a unicable LNB

-- 
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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#249583

On 01/07/2026 in message <nal1sjFquh5U1@mid.individual.net> alan_m wrote:

>On 01/07/2026 18:16, alan_m wrote:
>>On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
>
>>>I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a  Linux 
>>>box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from  being any 
>>>sort of expert though.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Just put OpenVix on them. The software supports UK satellite rather well  
>>(Freesat or for a few more channels Sky Free to air). But from World of  
>>Satellite and they will put open Vix on for you for I think (£1)
>>Add a hard disk to a Enigma 2 box (of which both the above are) and with  
>>openvix you have a fully functioning PVR. Some models can take an  
>>internal HDD and some require a external USB drive (or NAS).
>
>Whichever box you do buy I would recommend a box with at least two tuners.
>
>There are enigma 2 boxes that have a single satellite tuner, some with 2, 
>some with slots for 4 (or more). They will be at different price points.
>
>What LNB do you have? The sky Q wideband type LNB don't work with Enigma 2 
>boxes, and possibly all 3rd party boxes except 1 or 2 Freesat banded 
>boxes. You need a universal dual/quad/octo LNB or a unicable LNB

Thank you for the warning, it is the Sky wideband dish that I have :-(

-- 
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Did you know on the Canary Islands there is not one canary?
And on the Virgin Islands same thing, not one canary.

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#249584

On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> 
> After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be 
> heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for 
> alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable 
> to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.
> 
> Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.
> 
> Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point 
> me to) a review?
> 
> I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a 
> Linux box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from 
> being any sort of expert though.
> 

I bought a Labgear VSAT02 HD Free-to-Air Satellite Receiver, to see 
whether errors on my old Humax box were due to the box or my dish. The 
Labgear works fine, with an HDMI output socket and a USB socket for a 
recording device. It has the disadvantage of not giving the Freesat 
7-day EPG and channel numbers, only Now/Next info. Channels are given 
numbers in the order they were found in the installation.
-- 
Dave W

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#249585

On 02/07/2026 in message <1125i6d$2hrgd$1@dont-email.me> Dave W wrote:

>On 01/07/2026 12:35, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>
>>After the problems with my my Freesat-4k-Recordable (which seem to be  
>>heat related rather than HDD related) I have been poking around for  
>>alternatives to receive/record satellite TV which might be more amenable  
>>to saving those recordings and playing them on other devices.
>>
>>Names I have found are Octagon SF8008 and Zgemma H7S.
>>
>>Anybody here use anything like this (or similar) who can give (or point  
>>me to) a review?
>>
>>I would need it to be reasonably plug and play although I do have a  Linux 
>>box so have some familiarity with Linux, long, long, way from  being any 
>>sort of expert though.
>>
>
>I bought a Labgear VSAT02 HD Free-to-Air Satellite Receiver, to see 
>whether errors on my old Humax box were due to the box or my dish. The 
>Labgear works fine, with an HDMI output socket and a USB socket for a 
>recording device. It has the disadvantage of not giving the Freesat 7-day 
>EPG and channel numbers, only Now/Next info. Channels are given numbers in 
>the order they were found in the installation.

Thank you :-)

Are you using it with a Sky dish? Are the recordings encrypted or can they 
be played back on other devices?

Labgear is one of the few things in the universe older than me....

-- 
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
There is absolutely no substitute for a genuine lack of preparation

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