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| First post | 2020-06-29 20:07 +0100 |
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Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2020-06-29 20:07 +0100
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-29 16:04 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2020-06-29 21:51 +0100
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-06-29 17:08 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2020-06-30 12:23 +0100
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Sak Wathanasin <sw@nan.co.uk> - 2020-07-14 09:14 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-14 16:38 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Sak Wathanasin <sw@nan.co.uk> - 2020-07-17 06:24 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2020-07-17 14:33 +0100
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2020-07-17 15:23 +0100
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-17 10:25 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2020-07-17 15:31 +0100
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-17 11:08 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2020-07-17 16:18 +0100
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-17 11:39 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2020-07-17 15:23 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-17 11:39 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2020-07-18 06:18 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 04:35 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 15:22 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-17 18:46 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 16:00 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-17 23:13 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 20:18 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2020-07-18 10:45 +0100
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-18 09:49 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 04:02 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-18 12:10 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 11:42 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 11:46 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-18 19:14 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 15:48 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 23:04 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-19 08:42 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-19 08:49 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-19 15:39 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-19 23:16 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-19 16:28 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 04:01 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-18 12:11 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 11:47 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Sak Wathanasin <sw@nan.co.uk> - 2020-07-20 02:36 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-20 10:33 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-17 19:34 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-17 20:20 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-18 04:35 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-18 04:04 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-19 07:55 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-19 12:06 +0000
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-20 09:21 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-20 10:35 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 11:23 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-21 08:50 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-19 14:51 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-20 09:21 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-20 10:30 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-21 11:23 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-21 08:46 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-07-22 08:39 -0400
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-07-22 13:40 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2020-07-17 17:23 +0100
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2020-07-17 21:18 +0100
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Sak Wathanasin <sw@nan.co.uk> - 2020-07-20 02:37 -0700
Re: Early Geekbench results for ARM dev kits Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> - 2020-07-20 11:51 +0000
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 18:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <170720201846211543%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #145538 |
In article <hnemkpFm3p8U1@mid.individual.net>, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> Wonder if we1ll see x86-over-Thunderbolt. > > > > what for? > > > > x86 emulation on apple silicon is already quite good, and that's > > running on a 2 year old chip never designed to be used in a mac. > > > > I do have concerns about how well it will work -- though to be fair the > recent version of Parallels have not been great with Windows. Do not > know what the issue is, but it SLOW. parallels is not emulating anything.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 16:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hneot1Fmh6nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145539 |
On 7/17/20 3:46 PM, nospam wrote: > In article <hnemkpFm3p8U1@mid.individual.net>, Snit > <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >>>> Wonder if we1ll see x86-over-Thunderbolt. >>> >>> what for? >>> >>> x86 emulation on apple silicon is already quite good, and that's >>> running on a 2 year old chip never designed to be used in a mac. >>> >> >> I do have concerns about how well it will work -- though to be fair the >> recent version of Parallels have not been great with Windows. Do not >> know what the issue is, but it SLOW. > > parallels is not emulating anything. > Correct. And it STILL is slow. Linux is not. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 23:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hnepjuFm1ujU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145540 |
On 18 Jul 2020 at 00:00:48 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 7/17/20 3:46 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <hnemkpFm3p8U1@mid.individual.net>, Snit
>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Wonder if we1ll see x86-over-Thunderbolt.
>>>>
>>>> what for?
>>>>
>>>> x86 emulation on apple silicon is already quite good, and that's
>>>> running on a 2 year old chip never designed to be used in a mac.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do have concerns about how well it will work -- though to be fair the
>>> recent version of Parallels have not been great with Windows. Do not
>>> know what the issue is, but it SLOW.
>>
>> parallels is not emulating anything.
>>
> Correct. And it STILL is slow. Linux is not.
Mine (Win10 in Parallels 14) is as fast as I'd expect it to be, here. If it's
15 giving trouble, any reason not to use 14? Works fine all the way up to and
including Big Sur.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.
-- Hegel
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-17 20:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hnf806Fpam2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145541 |
On 7/17/20 4:13 PM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > On 18 Jul 2020 at 00:00:48 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> On 7/17/20 3:46 PM, nospam wrote: >>> In article <hnemkpFm3p8U1@mid.individual.net>, Snit >>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Wonder if we1ll see x86-over-Thunderbolt. >>>>> >>>>> what for? >>>>> >>>>> x86 emulation on apple silicon is already quite good, and that's >>>>> running on a 2 year old chip never designed to be used in a mac. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I do have concerns about how well it will work -- though to be fair the >>>> recent version of Parallels have not been great with Windows. Do not >>>> know what the issue is, but it SLOW. >>> >>> parallels is not emulating anything. >>> >> Correct. And it STILL is slow. Linux is not. > > Mine (Win10 in Parallels 14) is as fast as I'd expect it to be, here. If it's > 15 giving trouble, any reason not to use 14? Works fine all the way up to and > including Big Sur. > > Cheers - Jaimie > Had 14 and moved up to 15. Both were slow. It could be that Windows itself is getting weird -- I upgraded from 7. Also running low on hard drive space so maybe that plays into it. Good to know it is my system and not universal. I am not expecting super fast but it has slowed down a LOT since Win 7. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 10:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <reugcl$oje$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145543 |
On 18/07/2020 04:18, Snit wrote: > Had 14 and moved up to 15. Both were slow. It could be that Windows > itself is getting weird -- I upgraded from 7. Also running low on hard > drive space so maybe that plays into it. > > Good to know it is my system and not universal. I am not expecting super > fast but it has slowed down a LOT since Win 7. I suspect your Windows installation has gone rotten. Windows isn't like MacOS or indeed any other OS, and it gums itself up over time. The lack of disk space isn't helping. I think the only fix is to reinstall Windows. -- Chris
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 09:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hnfussFtssoU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145548 |
On 18 Jul 2020 at 10:45:56 BST, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote: > On 18/07/2020 04:18, Snit wrote: >> Had 14 and moved up to 15. Both were slow. It could be that Windows >> itself is getting weird -- I upgraded from 7. Also running low on hard >> drive space so maybe that plays into it. >> >> Good to know it is my system and not universal. I am not expecting super >> fast but it has slowed down a LOT since Win 7. > > I suspect your Windows installation has gone rotten. Windows isn't like > MacOS or indeed any other OS, and it gums itself up over time. The lack > of disk space isn't helping. I think the only fix is to reinstall Windows. Seconded. A pure Win10 install does better at this - like the Mac, a major Win10 update replaces the entire /Windows folder with a fresh one, much better than prior Windowses. But unlike the Mac it then runs an import on the various databases like the registry so cruft can still pull through. Cheers - Jaimie -- Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 04:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hng360F95gU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145549 |
On 7/18/20 2:49 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > On 18 Jul 2020 at 10:45:56 BST, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote: > >> On 18/07/2020 04:18, Snit wrote: >>> Had 14 and moved up to 15. Both were slow. It could be that Windows >>> itself is getting weird -- I upgraded from 7. Also running low on hard >>> drive space so maybe that plays into it. >>> >>> Good to know it is my system and not universal. I am not expecting super >>> fast but it has slowed down a LOT since Win 7. >> >> I suspect your Windows installation has gone rotten. Windows isn't like >> MacOS or indeed any other OS, and it gums itself up over time. The lack >> of disk space isn't helping. I think the only fix is to reinstall Windows. > > Seconded. > > A pure Win10 install does better at this - like the Mac, a major Win10 update > replaces the entire /Windows folder with a fresh one, much better than prior > Windowses. > > But unlike the Mac it then runs an import on the various databases like the > registry so cruft can still pull through. Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have Windows 10 installation media though. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 12:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hng74uF12g6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145553 |
On 18 Jul 2020 at 12:02:24 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 7/18/20 2:49 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >> On 18 Jul 2020 at 10:45:56 BST, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote: >> >>> On 18/07/2020 04:18, Snit wrote: >>>> Had 14 and moved up to 15. Both were slow. It could be that Windows >>>> itself is getting weird -- I upgraded from 7. Also running low on hard >>>> drive space so maybe that plays into it. >>>> >>>> Good to know it is my system and not universal. I am not expecting super >>>> fast but it has slowed down a LOT since Win 7. >>> >>> I suspect your Windows installation has gone rotten. Windows isn't like >>> MacOS or indeed any other OS, and it gums itself up over time. The lack >>> of disk space isn't helping. I think the only fix is to reinstall Windows. >> >> Seconded. >> >> A pure Win10 install does better at this - like the Mac, a major Win10 update >> replaces the entire /Windows folder with a fresh one, much better than prior >> Windowses. >> >> But unlike the Mac it then runs an import on the various databases like the >> registry so cruft can still pull through. > > Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have > Windows 10 installation media though. Fortunately, Microsoft have you covered. For a VM you just need the iso, rather than using their tool to make a boot USB. https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 Cheers - Jaimie -- Beauty is only skin deep, but it turns out that you still need the bones and gunk -- j comeau, a softer world
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 11:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hngu50F5qf8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145559 |
On 7/18/20 5:10 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > On 18 Jul 2020 at 12:02:24 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> On 7/18/20 2:49 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >>> On 18 Jul 2020 at 10:45:56 BST, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 18/07/2020 04:18, Snit wrote: >>>>> Had 14 and moved up to 15. Both were slow. It could be that Windows >>>>> itself is getting weird -- I upgraded from 7. Also running low on hard >>>>> drive space so maybe that plays into it. >>>>> >>>>> Good to know it is my system and not universal. I am not expecting super >>>>> fast but it has slowed down a LOT since Win 7. >>>> >>>> I suspect your Windows installation has gone rotten. Windows isn't like >>>> MacOS or indeed any other OS, and it gums itself up over time. The lack >>>> of disk space isn't helping. I think the only fix is to reinstall Windows. >>> >>> Seconded. >>> >>> A pure Win10 install does better at this - like the Mac, a major Win10 update >>> replaces the entire /Windows folder with a fresh one, much better than prior >>> Windowses. >>> >>> But unlike the Mac it then runs an import on the various databases like the >>> registry so cruft can still pull through. >> >> Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have >> Windows 10 installation media though. > > Fortunately, Microsoft have you covered. For a VM you just need the iso, > rather than using their tool to make a boot USB. > https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 > > Cheers - Jaimie > Page currently not loading -- but thanks, and I will check on it later. Really appreciate it. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 11:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hngubvF5qf8U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145564 |
On 7/18/20 11:42 AM, Snit wrote: > On 7/18/20 5:10 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >> On 18 Jul 2020 at 12:02:24 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 7/18/20 2:49 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >>>> On 18 Jul 2020 at 10:45:56 BST, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 18/07/2020 04:18, Snit wrote: >>>>>> Had 14 and moved up to 15. Both were slow. It could be that Windows >>>>>> itself is getting weird -- I upgraded from 7. Also running low on >>>>>> hard >>>>>> drive space so maybe that plays into it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good to know it is my system and not universal. I am not expecting >>>>>> super >>>>>> fast but it has slowed down a LOT since Win 7. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect your Windows installation has gone rotten. Windows isn't >>>>> like >>>>> MacOS or indeed any other OS, and it gums itself up over time. The >>>>> lack >>>>> of disk space isn't helping. I think the only fix is to reinstall >>>>> Windows. >>>> >>>> Seconded. >>>> >>>> A pure Win10 install does better at this - like the Mac, a major >>>> Win10 update >>>> replaces the entire /Windows folder with a fresh one, much better >>>> than prior >>>> Windowses. >>>> >>>> But unlike the Mac it then runs an import on the various databases >>>> like the >>>> registry so cruft can still pull through. >>> >>> Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have >>> Windows 10 installation media though. >> >> Fortunately, Microsoft have you covered. For a VM you just need the iso, >> rather than using their tool to make a boot USB. >> https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 >> >> Cheers - Jaimie >> > Page currently not loading -- but thanks, and I will check on it later. > Really appreciate it. > Ah, took forever to load. Needs to be accessed from Windows -- but I will do that with my copy in a VM. Still might mean I will not have access to older Adobe software -- but given the speed of that VM I never use it any way anymore. Thanks again. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 19:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hnh006F64p2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145565 |
On 18 Jul 2020 at 19:46:23 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 7/18/20 11:42 AM, Snit wrote: >> On 7/18/20 5:10 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >>> On 18 Jul 2020 at 12:02:24 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/18/20 2:49 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >>>>> On 18 Jul 2020 at 10:45:56 BST, "Chris Ridd" <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 18/07/2020 04:18, Snit wrote: >>>>>>> Had 14 and moved up to 15. Both were slow. It could be that Windows >>>>>>> itself is getting weird -- I upgraded from 7. Also running low on >>>>>>> hard >>>>>>> drive space so maybe that plays into it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good to know it is my system and not universal. I am not expecting >>>>>>> super >>>>>>> fast but it has slowed down a LOT since Win 7. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suspect your Windows installation has gone rotten. Windows isn't >>>>>> like >>>>>> MacOS or indeed any other OS, and it gums itself up over time. The >>>>>> lack >>>>>> of disk space isn't helping. I think the only fix is to reinstall >>>>>> Windows. >>>>> >>>>> Seconded. >>>>> >>>>> A pure Win10 install does better at this - like the Mac, a major >>>>> Win10 update >>>>> replaces the entire /Windows folder with a fresh one, much better >>>>> than prior >>>>> Windowses. >>>>> >>>>> But unlike the Mac it then runs an import on the various databases >>>>> like the >>>>> registry so cruft can still pull through. >>>> >>>> Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have >>>> Windows 10 installation media though. >>> >>> Fortunately, Microsoft have you covered. For a VM you just need the iso, >>> rather than using their tool to make a boot USB. >>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 >>> >>> Cheers - Jaimie >>> >> Page currently not loading -- but thanks, and I will check on it later. >> Really appreciate it. >> > > Ah, took forever to load. Needs to be accessed from Windows Only if you want the bootstick building tool. You can get the .iso from the redirected page and use that as the virtual boot CD with whichever VM software you're using. > -- but I > will do that with my copy in a VM. > > Still might mean I will not have access to older Adobe software -- but > given the speed of that VM I never use it any way anymore. Thanks again. Remember you can just build a fresh VM, no need to trash the slow-but-working one :) Cheers - Jaimie -- I hope I live long enough to vindicate my pessimism -- http://www.boasas.com/?c=1108
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 15:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hnhcihF8n9jU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145567 |
On 7/18/20 12:14 PM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: .... >>>>> Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have >>>>> Windows 10 installation media though. >>>> >>>> Fortunately, Microsoft have you covered. For a VM you just need the iso, >>>> rather than using their tool to make a boot USB. >>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 >>>> >>>> Cheers - Jaimie >>>> >>> Page currently not loading -- but thanks, and I will check on it later. >>> Really appreciate it. >> >> Ah, took forever to load. Needs to be accessed from Windows > > Only if you want the bootstick building tool. You can get the .iso from the > redirected page and use that as the virtual boot CD with whichever VM software > you're using. Downloading now. Will see if my old code still works with it. >> -- but I >> will do that with my copy in a VM. >> >> Still might mean I will not have access to older Adobe software -- but >> given the speed of that VM I never use it any way anymore. Thanks again. > > Remember you can just build a fresh VM, no need to trash the slow-but-working > one :) Of course. But it does not fix the old one -- and the use of that software was a key reason I would care to run Windows. Still, just having a more usable copy would be good. To be fair, I *DO* have a working copy of Windows running -- on a machine next to my desk. At any time I want I can wake the machine (or turn it on if needed) and set my secondary monitor to use that input source... I just do it rarely because I have very little software for Windows and no real need to run it. > Cheers - Jaimie > -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 23:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hnhdg4F7b6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145570 |
On Jul 18, 2020 at 3:48:48 PM MST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 7/18/20 12:14 PM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > .... >>>>>> Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have >>>>>> Windows 10 installation media though. >>>>> >>>>> Fortunately, Microsoft have you covered. For a VM you just need the iso, >>>>> rather than using their tool to make a boot USB. >>>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 >>>>> >>>>> Cheers - Jaimie >>>>> >>>> Page currently not loading -- but thanks, and I will check on it later. >>>> Really appreciate it. >>> >>> Ah, took forever to load. Needs to be accessed from Windows >> >> Only if you want the bootstick building tool. You can get the .iso from the >> redirected page and use that as the virtual boot CD with whichever VM >> software >> you're using. > > Downloading now. Will see if my old code still works with it. Unfortunately does not work. The Serial Number is for "Windows 7 Ultimate RC (x64) - DVD" -- and does not work. >>> -- but I >>> will do that with my copy in a VM. >>> >>> Still might mean I will not have access to older Adobe software -- but >>> given the speed of that VM I never use it any way anymore. Thanks again. >> >> Remember you can just build a fresh VM, no need to trash the slow-but-working >> one :) > > Of course. But it does not fix the old one -- and the use of that > software was a key reason I would care to run Windows. Still, just > having a more usable copy would be good. > > To be fair, I *DO* have a working copy of Windows running -- on a > machine next to my desk. At any time I want I can wake the machine (or > turn it on if needed) and set my secondary monitor to use that input > source... I just do it rarely because I have very little software for > Windows and no real need to run it. > >> Cheers - Jaimie >> >> -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2020-07-19 08:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hnifauFes46U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145571 |
On 19 Jul 2020 at 00:04:36 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2020 at 3:48:48 PM MST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/18/20 12:14 PM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
>> ....
>>>>>>> Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have
>>>>>>> Windows 10 installation media though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fortunately, Microsoft have you covered. For a VM you just need the iso,
>>>>>> rather than using their tool to make a boot USB.
>>>>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers - Jaimie
>>>>>>
>>>>> Page currently not loading -- but thanks, and I will check on it later.
>>>>> Really appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, took forever to load. Needs to be accessed from Windows
>>>
>>> Only if you want the bootstick building tool. You can get the .iso from the
>>> redirected page and use that as the virtual boot CD with whichever VM
>>> software
>>> you're using.
>>
>> Downloading now. Will see if my old code still works with it.
>
> Unfortunately does not work. The Serial Number is for "Windows 7 Ultimate RC
> (x64) - DVD" -- and does not work.
Did you try just at install time, or also after in the activation panel? The
latter should work.
On the other hand, not activating Windows 10 seems to only mean "you can't
change your desktop background" so...
Cheers - Jaimie
--
The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.
-- Hegel
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-19 08:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hnifplFfvjbU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145573 |
Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote: > On 19 Jul 2020 at 00:04:36 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 18, 2020 at 3:48:48 PM MST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 7/18/20 12:14 PM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >>> .... >>>>>>>> Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have >>>>>>>> Windows 10 installation media though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fortunately, Microsoft have you covered. For a VM you just need the iso, >>>>>>> rather than using their tool to make a boot USB. >>>>>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers - Jaimie >>>>>>> >>>>>> Page currently not loading -- but thanks, and I will check on it later. >>>>>> Really appreciate it. >>>>> >>>>> Ah, took forever to load. Needs to be accessed from Windows >>>> >>>> Only if you want the bootstick building tool. You can get the .iso from the >>>> redirected page and use that as the virtual boot CD with whichever VM >>>> software >>>> you're using. >>> >>> Downloading now. Will see if my old code still works with it. >> >> Unfortunately does not work. The Serial Number is for "Windows 7 Ultimate RC >> (x64) - DVD" -- and does not work. > > Did you try just at install time, or also after in the activation panel? The > latter should work. Just as I installed. Will try again tomorrow. Thanks. > On the other hand, not activating Windows 10 seems to only mean "you can't > change your desktop background" so... LOL! > Cheers - Jaimie -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-19 15:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hnk0cfFpvgpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145573 |
On 7/19/20 1:42 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > On 19 Jul 2020 at 00:04:36 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 18, 2020 at 3:48:48 PM MST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 7/18/20 12:14 PM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >>> .... >>>>>>>> Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have >>>>>>>> Windows 10 installation media though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fortunately, Microsoft have you covered. For a VM you just need the iso, >>>>>>> rather than using their tool to make a boot USB. >>>>>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers - Jaimie >>>>>>> >>>>>> Page currently not loading -- but thanks, and I will check on it later. >>>>>> Really appreciate it. >>>>> >>>>> Ah, took forever to load. Needs to be accessed from Windows >>>> >>>> Only if you want the bootstick building tool. You can get the .iso from the >>>> redirected page and use that as the virtual boot CD with whichever VM >>>> software >>>> you're using. >>> >>> Downloading now. Will see if my old code still works with it. >> >> Unfortunately does not work. The Serial Number is for "Windows 7 Ultimate RC >> (x64) - DVD" -- and does not work. > > Did you try just at install time, or also after in the activation panel? The > latter should work. Tried that. Failed there also. Could be that the code came from a school I used to be associated with and no longer am. Maybe they have a limited time? In any case, it does seem to work and seem reasonably fast -- hard to really test without Photoshop or other software I care about to push it. But after a few minutes of it doing installations and whatever in the background the menus and Edge and the like show no significant speed issues. > On the other hand, not activating Windows 10 seems to only mean "you can't > change your desktop background" so... > > Cheers - Jaimie > -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2020-07-19 23:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hnk2hiFotatU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145604 |
On 19 Jul 2020 at 23:39:11 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 7/19/20 1:42 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >> On 19 Jul 2020 at 00:04:36 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >> >>> On Jul 18, 2020 at 3:48:48 PM MST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/18/20 12:14 PM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >>>> .... >>>>>>>>> Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have >>>>>>>>> Windows 10 installation media though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fortunately, Microsoft have you covered. For a VM you just need the iso, >>>>>>>> rather than using their tool to make a boot USB. >>>>>>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers - Jaimie >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Page currently not loading -- but thanks, and I will check on it later. >>>>>>> Really appreciate it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ah, took forever to load. Needs to be accessed from Windows >>>>> >>>>> Only if you want the bootstick building tool. You can get the .iso from the >>>>> redirected page and use that as the virtual boot CD with whichever VM >>>>> software >>>>> you're using. >>>> >>>> Downloading now. Will see if my old code still works with it. >>> >>> Unfortunately does not work. The Serial Number is for "Windows 7 Ultimate RC >>> (x64) - DVD" -- and does not work. >> >> Did you try just at install time, or also after in the activation panel? The >> latter should work. > > Tried that. Failed there also. That's annoying, it has certainly worked here in the past with normal Win 7 Pro keys. > Could be that the code came from a school > I used to be associated with and no longer am. Might have been some Volume Licensing deal, which would be a different sort of key. I dunno, I'm guessing. I bought my Win7 keys for £5-£7 on eBay. > But after a few minutes of it doing installations and whatever in the > background the menus and Edge and the like show no significant speed issues. That's good, anyway. Cheers - Jaimie -- "What we have done with PCs so far is not natural" - Craig Mundie, CTO Microsoft
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-19 16:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hnk38vFqfp1U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145609 |
On 7/19/20 4:16 PM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > On 19 Jul 2020 at 23:39:11 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > >> On 7/19/20 1:42 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >>> On 19 Jul 2020 at 00:04:36 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Jul 18, 2020 at 3:48:48 PM MST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 7/18/20 12:14 PM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: >>>>> .... >>>>>>>>>> Makes sense... esp. given how old the original was. Not sure if I have >>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 installation media though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fortunately, Microsoft have you covered. For a VM you just need the iso, >>>>>>>>> rather than using their tool to make a boot USB. >>>>>>>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers - Jaimie >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Page currently not loading -- but thanks, and I will check on it later. >>>>>>>> Really appreciate it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ah, took forever to load. Needs to be accessed from Windows >>>>>> >>>>>> Only if you want the bootstick building tool. You can get the .iso from the >>>>>> redirected page and use that as the virtual boot CD with whichever VM >>>>>> software >>>>>> you're using. >>>>> >>>>> Downloading now. Will see if my old code still works with it. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately does not work. The Serial Number is for "Windows 7 Ultimate RC >>>> (x64) - DVD" -- and does not work. >>> >>> Did you try just at install time, or also after in the activation panel? The >>> latter should work. >> >> Tried that. Failed there also. > > That's annoying, it has certainly worked here in the past with normal Win 7 > Pro keys. Perhaps. Not a big deal since it allows me to fiddle with Windows to get my techie fun and I lose nothing -- not like I was going to get Photoshop or whatever on it. I used to need Windows to be able to make videos showing both Mac and Windows versions -- that is no longer the case. Mostly I just want to to be able to play. >> Could be that the code came from a school >> I used to be associated with and no longer am. > > Might have been some Volume Licensing deal, which would be a different sort of > key. I dunno, I'm guessing. I bought my Win7 keys for £5-£7 on eBay. I might see what I can find just to have it. I *do* have a real PC with Windows. Heck, could try its key if I wanted (then wipe Windows on that system and use it for Linux). >> But after a few minutes of it doing installations and whatever in the >> background the menus and Edge and the like show no significant speed issues. > > That's good, anyway. Yes. Thanks for the info and the inspiration to even try. > > Cheers - Jaimie > -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 04:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hng34mF95gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145548 |
On 7/18/20 2:45 AM, Chris Ridd wrote: > On 18/07/2020 04:18, Snit wrote: >> Had 14 and moved up to 15. Both were slow. It could be that Windows >> itself is getting weird -- I upgraded from 7. Also running low on hard >> drive space so maybe that plays into it. >> >> Good to know it is my system and not universal. I am not expecting >> super fast but it has slowed down a LOT since Win 7. > > I suspect your Windows installation has gone rotten. Windows isn't like > MacOS or indeed any other OS, and it gums itself up over time. The lack > of disk space isn't helping. I think the only fix is to reinstall Windows. I have a Windows 7 installer -- would have to go back to that. I think. Maybe the license can be used with Windows 10? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> |
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| Date | 2020-07-18 12:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hng76kF12g6U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145552 |
On 18 Jul 2020 at 12:01:42 BST, "Snit" <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote: > On 7/18/20 2:45 AM, Chris Ridd wrote: >> On 18/07/2020 04:18, Snit wrote: >>> Had 14 and moved up to 15. Both were slow. It could be that Windows >>> itself is getting weird -- I upgraded from 7. Also running low on hard >>> drive space so maybe that plays into it. >>> >>> Good to know it is my system and not universal. I am not expecting >>> super fast but it has slowed down a LOT since Win 7. >> >> I suspect your Windows installation has gone rotten. Windows isn't like >> MacOS or indeed any other OS, and it gums itself up over time. The lack >> of disk space isn't helping. I think the only fix is to reinstall Windows. > > I have a Windows 7 installer -- would have to go back to that. I think. > Maybe the license can be used with Windows 10? Yes, it can. I'm not sure if the Win10 installer accepts it, but it'll go in to the Activate Windows control panel thing when you're installed. Cheers - Jaimie -- It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye. Then it's a scavenger hunt.
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