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| From | "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac |
| Subject | Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors |
| Date | 2025-07-25 20:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mei3jcFpn1aU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | <meevgqF8lp9U1@mid.individual.net> <megq4pFila5U1@mid.individual.net> <6883bef1$5$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <mehv5hFovapU1@mid.individual.net> <6883c78a$3$10362$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
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On 25/07/2025 19:06, Brock McNuggets wrote: > On Jul 25, 2025 at 11:02:23 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote > <mehv5hFovapU1@mid.individual.net>: > >> On 25/07/2025 18:29, Brock McNuggets asked yet MORE questions! >> >> Hi Brock, >> >> Thanks again for engaging politely — I really do appreciate it. Let me >> try to clarify a few things: >> >> "What questions? Please be specific." >> >> Certainly. The questions I asked John Daniel directly (via the contact >> details provided for EtreCheck support) were strictly technical and >> focused on: >> >> Clarification of what data EtreCheck collects and where it is >> stored or transmitted. >> >> The purpose and function of specific background processes launched >> by the app. >> >> The reasons for observed outbound connections made by EtreCheck >> when run in offline mode. >> >> Why EtreCheck triggered false positives in several independent >> malware and telemetry monitoring tools. > > If these were a bunch of emails I can see where it is a bit much, but overall > those are not of concern. >> >> None of those were answered — not even with a simple acknowledgment. I >> sent polite follow-ups and eventually asked via a public forum whether >> others had received support. At that point, John vanished from LinkedIn, >> and some of my posts disappeared from public view (as did others >> questioning similar things). >> >> "You have also repeatedly insinuated that it is malware..." >> >> I do understand that concern. Let me be clear: I’ve never declared >> EtreCheck to be malware. > > You have repeatedly insinuated. > >> What I have said is that, given the opacity >> surrounding its operation and the developer's refusal to answer >> straightforward queries, it raises red flags. That’s a risk-based >> statement, not a claim of confirmed malicious intent. As someone with a >> long history of dealing with systems security, I view tools that evade >> transparency with extra caution. > > What "long history of dealing with systems security"? >> >> "What makes you think you are entitled to know ANYTHING about his >> background or qualifications?" >> >> Fair question. My answer: I’m not entitled to anything beyond what he >> voluntarily offers. But if someone wants to sell a product that alters >> or scans system-level components — especially on macOS — and markets >> that tool on the basis of authority or credibility, then it’s perfectly >> valid to ask: What qualifies this person to give diagnostics or >> remediation advice? If someone benefits commercially from trust, then >> transparency helps support that trust. > > If you do not like the response simply do not use the product and, please, let > it go. The obsession you have here is unhealthy for you. >> >> "When you focus on him as a person... that makes it personal." >> >> I get that distinction, and I accept that the line can blur. My aim has >> never been to dig into private matters or launch ad hominem attacks — >> far from it. I’ve raised questions only in relation to the product and >> the support structure around it. > > No: you also asked about his personal life. > >> If a person is presenting themselves as >> a software authority but declines to engage in support or basic identity >> verification, then yes — some personal accountability becomes relevant. > > Not really... but if you need it and are not getting it then let it go and > just do not use the product. >> >> As for Snit — again, let me reiterate — I consider him a friend. We >> disagree sometimes, as all friends do, but I’d never treat him as an >> enemy. I hope he knows that. > > I do. And I hope you know I feel the same way. Hi Brock, I appreciate your continued honesty and the fact that we can disagree without descending into hostility — that’s rare and valuable in online discussions, especially here. Just to clarify one last time: I’ve never contacted John Daniel about his personal life. I’ve only raised concerns relevant to the software he’s selling and supporting — or failing to. The questions I asked were rooted in technical transparency, not curiosity about his private affairs. As for my background, I’ve worked with system-level troubleshooting and OS-level tooling — both professionally and personally — for many decades. I’ve seen well-meaning software go rogue due to neglect, poor coding, or inadequate vetting. That’s why I raise concerns when tools gain implicit trust in communities while the person behind them avoids scrutiny or questions. That said, I do hear your point — and I’ll leave it there for now. If others find this discussion helpful or concerning, they’re welcome to weigh in. Otherwise, I’m happy to let it rest. And Michael — thank you. I’m glad we’re clear. 😊 -- Warm regards, David B.
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Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-24 17:47 +0100
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 17:14 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-24 18:30 +0100
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-07-24 21:25 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-24 23:41 +0100
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-07-24 22:46 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 22:58 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 16:11 -0700
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My E xperience on MacRumors % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 16:17 -0700
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My E xperience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My E xperience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 23:33 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My E xperience on MacRumors % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 18:01 -0700
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My E xperience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My E xperience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 23:13 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 22:59 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-07-24 22:47 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-25 00:09 +0100
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 23:13 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors T i m <eternal@spaced.me.uk> - 2025-07-25 05:22 +0100
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-25 08:14 +0100
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 23:11 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-25 08:30 +0100
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-25 17:29 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-25 19:02 +0100
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-25 18:06 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-25 20:18 +0100
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-25 21:10 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-07-25 13:13 -0700
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My E xperience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My E xperience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-25 21:07 +0000
Re: Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) "Tegenaria" <TegenariaArach@incogni.net> - 2025-07-25 19:34 +0000
Re: Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-25 21:07 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-07-25 21:11 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-25 21:30 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) "Tegenaria" <TegenariaArach@incogni.net> - 2025-07-25 21:37 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-25 23:28 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-07-26 22:34 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-27 01:16 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-07-30 09:20 +0200
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-07-30 09:05 +0100
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors (was: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors) Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-07-30 15:52 +0000
Re: Asking Questions Isn’t a Crime – My Experience on MacRumors Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-07-25 21:09 +0000
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