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| First post | 2016-10-16 22:02 +0000 |
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Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-16 22:02 +0000
Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-10-17 17:16 +0100
Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-17 18:44 +0000
Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-10-17 21:06 +0100
Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-17 21:39 +0000
Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-10-18 09:50 +0100
Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-18 21:15 +0000
Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-10-19 12:47 +0100
Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-19 14:09 +0200
Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-10-19 14:36 +0100
| From | 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-16 22:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales |
| Message-ID | <e6ibn3FeeviU1@mid.individual.net> |
Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a debugging port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels. These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release developer boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the most successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the same market. The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware with built in Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels. Dump the uboot and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL. Then you got the makings of a successful product. What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make secondary products that you can use to improve your own product, or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and hardware the tinkerers have got working for your product. For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example, this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match. Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these new products in days to weeks. These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months. The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable. For western companies that want to make use of these incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit. To make the known formula work for your products, leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will sell and sell for years to come.
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| From | Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-17 17:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nu2th0$fdl$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> |
| In reply to | #20293 |
On 16/10/2016 23:02, 7 wrote: > Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a debugging > port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels. > > These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release developer > boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the most > successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the same market. > > The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware with built in > Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels. Dump the uboot > and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL. > Then you got the makings of a successful product. > > What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering > experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make > secondary products that you can use to improve your own product, > or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new > class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and hardware > the tinkerers have got working for your product. > > For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example, > this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and > numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match. > > Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer > want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make > completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel > and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody > that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these > new products in days to weeks. > These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months. > The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable. > > For western companies that want to make use of these > incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready > to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make > their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit. > To make the known formula work for your products, > leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some > download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will > sell and sell for years to come. > Got an example of one of these boards returning $1 million dollar orders?
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| From | 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-17 18:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e6kkh8FfnmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #20294 |
Desk Rabbit wrote: >> Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel >> improves hardware sales >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a >> debugging port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels. >> >> These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release >> developer boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the >> most successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the >> same market. >> >> The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware >> with built in Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels. >> Dump the uboot and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL. >> Then you got the makings of a successful product. >> >> What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering >> experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make >> secondary products that you can use to improve your own product, >> or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new >> class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and >> hardware the tinkerers have got working for your product. >> >> For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example, >> this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and >> numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match. >> >> Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer >> want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make >> completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel >> and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody >> that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these >> new products in days to weeks. >> These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months. >> The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable. >> >> For western companies that want to make use of these >> incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready >> to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make >> their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit. >> To make the known formula work for your products, >> leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some >> download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will >> sell and sell for years to come. >> > > Got an example of one of these boards returning $1 million dollar orders? Yes.
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| From | Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-17 21:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nu3avu$4na$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> |
| In reply to | #20295 |
On 17/10/2016 19:44, 7 wrote: > Desk Rabbit wrote: > >>> Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel >>> improves hardware sales >>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a >>> debugging port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels. >>> >>> These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release >>> developer boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the >>> most successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the >>> same market. >>> >>> The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware >>> with built in Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels. >>> Dump the uboot and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL. >>> Then you got the makings of a successful product. >>> >>> What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering >>> experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make >>> secondary products that you can use to improve your own product, >>> or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new >>> class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and >>> hardware the tinkerers have got working for your product. >>> >>> For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example, >>> this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and >>> numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match. >>> >>> Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer >>> want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make >>> completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel >>> and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody >>> that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these >>> new products in days to weeks. >>> These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months. >>> The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable. >>> >>> For western companies that want to make use of these >>> incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready >>> to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make >>> their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit. >>> To make the known formula work for your products, >>> leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some >>> download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will >>> sell and sell for years to come. >>> >> >> Got an example of one of these boards returning $1 million dollar orders? > > Yes. > So share it to back up your claim otherwise it's just a load of unsubstantiated nonsense which you are well known for spouting.
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| From | 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-17 21:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e6kuouF2sroU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #20296 |
Desk Rabbit wrote: > So Ooo! PRicky Touchy Troll! It seems I know and you don't know anything. What's new troll? Read the original post and weep if you must: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a debugging port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels. These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release developer boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the most successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the same market. The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware with built in Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels. Dump the uboot and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL. Then you got the makings of a successful product. What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make secondary products that you can use to improve your own product, or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and hardware the tinkerers have got working for your product. For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example, this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match. Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these new products in days to weeks. These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months. The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable. For western companies that want to make use of these incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit. To make the known formula work for your products, leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will sell and sell for years to come.
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| From | Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-18 09:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nu4nom$jrb$2@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> |
| In reply to | #20297 |
On 17/10/2016 22:39, 7 wrote: > Desk Rabbit wrote: > >> So > > Ooo! PRicky Touchy Troll! > > It seems I know and you don't know anything. What's new troll? Seems you are just making stuff up yet again. All you had to do was prove your claims but because they are made up you can't provide one single shred of evidence. It's pretty clear that you are the troll here.
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| From | 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-18 21:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <e6nhnoFli3rU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #20298 |
Desk Rabbit wrote: >>> So >> >> Ooo! PRicky Touchy Troll! >> >> It seems I know and you don't know anything. What's new troll? > > Seems So what's new troll? You didn't answer the question which is usual for trolls like you. I recommend doing something useful like reading the original post and looking busy instead of trolling like a luser for microshaft appile crocporation: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a debugging port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels. These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release developer boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the most successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the same market. The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware with built in Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels. Dump the uboot and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL. Then you got the makings of a successful product. What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make secondary products that you can use to improve your own product, or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and hardware the tinkerers have got working for your product. For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example, this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match. Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these new products in days to weeks. These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months. The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable. For western companies that want to make use of these incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit. To make the known formula work for your products, leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will sell and sell for years to come.
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| From | Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-19 12:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nu7mg8$qtp$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> |
| In reply to | #20293 |
On 16/10/2016 23:02, 7 wrote: >Garbage. So all these posts basically having a pop at each other but still no sign of any links or evidence of these mythical Linux powered devices creating millions of dollars "$1 million orders within months". If they were that successful you'd think there would be evidence of one available somewhere?
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2016-10-19 14:09 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <nu7noc$v8g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #20300 |
Dimbulb Rabbit wrote: > On 16/10/2016 23:02, 7 wrote: >>Garbage. > > > So all these posts basically having a pop at each other but still no > sign of any links or evidence of these mythical Linux powered devices > creating millions of dollars "$1 million orders within months". > > If they were that successful you'd think there would be evidence of one > available somewhere? Oh, they are available ARM-based Chromebooks use UBoot Celeron- and i5-based Chromebooks use UBoot for Coreboot Those are already millions. UBoot is mainly used in linux based embedded devices, of which *lots* (several millions) exist, since embedded windows is total crap compared to embedded linux So, even while 7 made a post with lots of hyperbole, his claim that millions of devices are sold is *true* and you have *again* shown to be a totally incompetent stupid clown with delusions of grandeur
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| From | Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-19 14:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nu7src$hld$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> |
| In reply to | #20301 |
On 19/10/2016 13:09, Peter Köhlmann wrote: > Dimbulb Rabbit wrote: > >> On 16/10/2016 23:02, 7 wrote: >>> Garbage. >> >> >> So all these posts basically having a pop at each other but still no >> sign of any links or evidence of these mythical Linux powered devices >> creating millions of dollars "$1 million orders within months". >> >> If they were that successful you'd think there would be evidence of one >> available somewhere? > > Oh, they are available > > ARM-based Chromebooks use UBoot Isn't that via a custom firmware though? And do they use stock Linux kernels as 7 suggests? > > Celeron- and i5-based Chromebooks use UBoot for Coreboot > > Those are already millions. > > UBoot is mainly used in linux based embedded devices, of which *lots* > (several millions) exist, since embedded windows is total crap compared to > embedded linux Still not *one* example can be presented of the "millions" I agree though, embedded Windows is crap but Windows10 IOT is catching up and has a HUGE infrastructure support through Azure and an already existing wealth of Windows developers along with the tools to make apps that will run across all devices. > So, even while 7 made a post with lots of hyperbole, his claim that millions > of devices are sold is *true* and you have *again* shown to be a totally > incompetent stupid clown with delusions of grandeur Nah, there's only one Klown around here http://www.usenetklown.co.uk/
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