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Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales

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  Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-16 22:02 +0000
    Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-10-17 17:16 +0100
      Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-17 18:44 +0000
        Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-10-17 21:06 +0100
          Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-17 21:39 +0000
            Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-10-18 09:50 +0100
              Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-10-18 21:15 +0000
    Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-10-19 12:47 +0100
      Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-10-19 14:09 +0200
        Re: Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-10-19 14:36 +0100

#20293 — Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales

From7 <7@enemygadgets.com>
Date2016-10-16 22:02 +0000
SubjectShipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales
Message-ID<e6ibn3FeeviU1@mid.individual.net>
Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a debugging
port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels.

These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release developer
boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the most
successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the same market.

The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware with built in
Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels. Dump the uboot
and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL.
Then you got the makings of a successful product.

What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering
experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make
secondary products that you can use to improve your own product,
or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new
class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and hardware
the tinkerers have got working for your product.

For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example,
this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and
numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match.

Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer
want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make
completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel
and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody
that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these
new products in days to weeks.
These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months.
The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable.

For western companies that want to make use of these
incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready
to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make
their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit.
To make the known formula work for your products,
leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some
download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will
sell and sell for years to come.

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#20294

FromDesk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Date2016-10-17 17:16 +0100
Message-ID<nu2th0$fdl$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org>
In reply to#20293
On 16/10/2016 23:02, 7 wrote:
> Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a debugging
> port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels.
> 
> These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release developer
> boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the most
> successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the same market.
> 
> The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware with built in
> Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels. Dump the uboot
> and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL.
> Then you got the makings of a successful product.
> 
> What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering
> experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make
> secondary products that you can use to improve your own product,
> or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new
> class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and hardware
> the tinkerers have got working for your product.
> 
> For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example,
> this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and
> numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match.
> 
> Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer
> want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make
> completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel
> and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody
> that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these
> new products in days to weeks.
> These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months.
> The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable.
> 
> For western companies that want to make use of these
> incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready
> to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make
> their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit.
> To make the known formula work for your products,
> leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some
> download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will
> sell and sell for years to come.
> 

Got an example of one of these boards returning $1 million dollar orders?

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#20295

From7 <7@enemygadgets.com>
Date2016-10-17 18:44 +0000
Message-ID<e6kkh8FfnmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#20294
Desk Rabbit wrote:

>> Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel
>> improves hardware sales
>> 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a
>> debugging port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels.
>> 
>> These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release
>> developer boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the
>> most successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the
>> same market.
>> 
>> The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware
>> with built in Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels.
>> Dump the uboot and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL.
>> Then you got the makings of a successful product.
>> 
>> What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering
>> experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make
>> secondary products that you can use to improve your own product,
>> or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new
>> class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and
>> hardware the tinkerers have got working for your product.
>> 
>> For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example,
>> this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and
>> numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match.
>> 
>> Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer
>> want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make
>> completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel
>> and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody
>> that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these
>> new products in days to weeks.
>> These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months.
>> The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable.
>> 
>> For western companies that want to make use of these
>> incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready
>> to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make
>> their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit.
>> To make the known formula work for your products,
>> leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some
>> download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will
>> sell and sell for years to come.
>> 
> 
> Got an example of one of these boards returning $1 million dollar orders?

Yes.

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#20296

FromDesk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Date2016-10-17 21:06 +0100
Message-ID<nu3avu$4na$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org>
In reply to#20295
On 17/10/2016 19:44, 7 wrote:
> Desk Rabbit wrote:
> 
>>> Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel
>>> improves hardware sales
>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a
>>> debugging port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels.
>>>
>>> These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release
>>> developer boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the
>>> most successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the
>>> same market.
>>>
>>> The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware
>>> with built in Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels.
>>> Dump the uboot and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL.
>>> Then you got the makings of a successful product.
>>>
>>> What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering
>>> experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make
>>> secondary products that you can use to improve your own product,
>>> or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new
>>> class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and
>>> hardware the tinkerers have got working for your product.
>>>
>>> For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example,
>>> this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and
>>> numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match.
>>>
>>> Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer
>>> want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make
>>> completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel
>>> and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody
>>> that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these
>>> new products in days to weeks.
>>> These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months.
>>> The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable.
>>>
>>> For western companies that want to make use of these
>>> incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready
>>> to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make
>>> their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit.
>>> To make the known formula work for your products,
>>> leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some
>>> download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will
>>> sell and sell for years to come.
>>>
>>
>> Got an example of one of these boards returning $1 million dollar orders?
> 
> Yes.
> 

So share it to back up your claim otherwise it's just a load of
unsubstantiated nonsense which you are well known for spouting.

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#20297

From7 <7@enemygadgets.com>
Date2016-10-17 21:39 +0000
Message-ID<e6kuouF2sroU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#20296
Desk Rabbit wrote:
 
> So 

Ooo! PRicky Touchy Troll!

It seems I know and you don't know anything. What's new troll?


Read the original post and weep if you must:


Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a debugging
port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels.

These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release developer
boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the most
successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the same market.

The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware with built in
Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels. Dump the uboot
and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL.
Then you got the makings of a successful product.

What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering
experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make
secondary products that you can use to improve your own product,
or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new
class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and hardware
the tinkerers have got working for your product.

For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example,
this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and
numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match.

Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer
want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make
completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel
and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody
that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these
new products in days to weeks.
These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months.
The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable.

For western companies that want to make use of these
incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready
to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make
their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit.
To make the known formula work for your products,
leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some
download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will
sell and sell for years to come.

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#20298

FromDesk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Date2016-10-18 09:50 +0100
Message-ID<nu4nom$jrb$2@deskrabbit.motzarella.org>
In reply to#20297
On 17/10/2016 22:39, 7 wrote:
> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>  
>> So 
> 
> Ooo! PRicky Touchy Troll!
> 
> It seems I know and you don't know anything. What's new troll?

Seems you are just making stuff up yet again. All you had to do was
prove your claims but because they are made up you can't provide one
single shred of evidence. It's pretty clear that you are the troll here.

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#20299

From7 <7@enemygadgets.com>
Date2016-10-18 21:15 +0000
Message-ID<e6nhnoFli3rU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#20298
Desk Rabbit wrote:


>>> So
>> 
>> Ooo! PRicky Touchy Troll!
>> 
>> It seems I know and you don't know anything. What's new troll?
> 
> Seems

So what's new troll? You didn't answer the question which is
usual for trolls like you.

I recommend doing something useful like reading the original
post and looking busy instead of trolling like a luser for
microshaft appile crocporation:



Shipping hardware with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel improves hardware sales
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The biggest selling CPU boards of all time are those that have a debugging
port for Uboot and systems that ship with stock Linux kernels.

These in turn have made the companies that make CPUs and release developer
boards with Uboot serial debug port and stock Linux kernel the most
successful on the planet displacing all other competitors in the same market.

The lesson for Linux gadget companies is to release ALL their hardware with built in
Uboot serial debugging port, and use stock Linux kernels. Dump the uboot
and Kernels to some download link to comply with GPL.
Then you got the makings of a successful product.

What tends to happen is that people with time and tinkering
experience upgrade the Kernel and improve on deficiencies and make
secondary products that you can use to improve your own product,
or it may create secondary sales, or it may lead to entire new
class of products that you can make with all the new drivers, and hardware
the tinkerers have got working for your product.

For the fabless semiconductor companies in China for example,
this has led to complete world domination with working CPUs and
numerous hardware on a time scale that no one have been able to match.

Some of these companies are making so much money they no longer
want to make money by making any of their own gadgets. Instead they make
completely new customized boards, with serial debug port, Linux kernel
and uboot as a package for about $2000 for anybody
that wants to pay this start up cost. They can turn around these
new products in days to weeks.
These ventures usually turn into $1 million orders within months.
The time scales and time frames are just unbelievable.

For western companies that want to make use of these
incredible resources, they need to have their own Linux teams ready
to accept new hardware and add on their own software to make
their IoT devices to finished products in months to make profit.
To make the known formula work for your products,
leave in the serial debug port, and dump uboot and Linux to some
download site to satisfy the GPL and you got a product that will
sell and sell for years to come.


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#20300

FromDesk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Date2016-10-19 12:47 +0100
Message-ID<nu7mg8$qtp$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org>
In reply to#20293
On 16/10/2016 23:02, 7 wrote:
>Garbage.


So all these posts basically having a pop at each other but still no
sign of any links or evidence of these mythical Linux powered devices
creating millions of dollars "$1 million orders within months".

If they were that successful you'd think there would be evidence of one
available somewhere?

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#20301

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2016-10-19 14:09 +0200
Message-ID<nu7noc$v8g$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#20300
Dimbulb Rabbit wrote:

> On 16/10/2016 23:02, 7 wrote:
>>Garbage.
> 
> 
> So all these posts basically having a pop at each other but still no
> sign of any links or evidence of these mythical Linux powered devices
> creating millions of dollars "$1 million orders within months".
> 
> If they were that successful you'd think there would be evidence of one
> available somewhere?

Oh, they are available

ARM-based Chromebooks use UBoot

Celeron- and i5-based Chromebooks  use UBoot for Coreboot

Those are already millions. 

UBoot is mainly used in linux based embedded devices, of which *lots* 
(several millions) exist, since embedded windows is total crap compared to 
embedded linux

So, even while 7 made a post with lots of hyperbole, his claim that millions 
of devices are sold is *true* and you have *again* shown to be a totally 
incompetent stupid clown with delusions of grandeur

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#20303

FromDesk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Date2016-10-19 14:36 +0100
Message-ID<nu7src$hld$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org>
In reply to#20301
On 19/10/2016 13:09, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> Dimbulb Rabbit wrote:
> 
>> On 16/10/2016 23:02, 7 wrote:
>>> Garbage.
>>
>>
>> So all these posts basically having a pop at each other but still no
>> sign of any links or evidence of these mythical Linux powered devices
>> creating millions of dollars "$1 million orders within months".
>>
>> If they were that successful you'd think there would be evidence of one
>> available somewhere?
> 
> Oh, they are available
> 
> ARM-based Chromebooks use UBoot

Isn't that via a custom firmware though?
And do they use stock Linux kernels as 7 suggests?

> 
> Celeron- and i5-based Chromebooks  use UBoot for Coreboot
> 
> Those are already millions. 
> 
> UBoot is mainly used in linux based embedded devices, of which *lots* 
> (several millions) exist, since embedded windows is total crap compared to 
> embedded linux

Still not *one* example can be presented of the "millions"

I agree though, embedded Windows is crap but Windows10 IOT is catching
up and has a HUGE infrastructure support through Azure and an already
existing wealth of Windows developers along with the tools to make apps
that will run across all devices.


> So, even while 7 made a post with lots of hyperbole, his claim that millions 
> of devices are sold is *true* and you have *again* shown to be a totally 
> incompetent stupid clown with delusions of grandeur

Nah, there's only one Klown around here http://www.usenetklown.co.uk/

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