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Re: Everyone Uses the Condom - Girls also use Implanon or NexplanonT - Boys also use the pull-out method.

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On 02/06/2016 05:31 PM, Pregnancy Prevention wrote:
> I Agree!
>
> Females: Concurrently use 1) Condoms and 2) The Sponge/Diaphragm or
> Hormonal/IUD, 3) Tell the male to Pull-Out and Cum on your Tits.
>

i did number 3 on your mother i just did it . i win

> Males: Concurrently use 1) Condoms and 2) The Pull-Out Method.
>
> Never use the Pull-Out Method or the Sponge by itself.  In fact, you
>  shouldn't use Condoms by themselves either.
>
> If you're in a persistent loving relationship where you can trust
> your partner, any two different combined methods may be sufficient,
> while three different combined methods may provide 100% safety.
>
> Thank you Tom Mr. for that excellent explanation and analysis - below
>  bottom and to end.
>
> Actual studies should now be done on the risk of using two methods
> concurrently.  There could, for instance be a correlated factor that
>  caused both methods to fail concurrently, but probably not, and the
>  below numbers shouldn't lie.
>
>
>
> On 1/3/2016 2:21 PM, Tom Mr. wrote:
>> On 10/21/2015 12:30 PM, Sheila S wrote:
>>> On 10/20/2015 3:47 PM, Tom Mr. wrote:
>>>> On 10/20/2015 1:02 PM, Safe Sex is Good wrote:
>>>>> On 10/20/2015 2:50 AM, Pregnancy Prevention wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/20/2015 2:46 AM, Pregnancy Prevention wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Girls use Implanon or NexplanonT and the condom.
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etonogestrel_contraceptive_implant
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
Boys use the condom and the pull-out method.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean together.  Use them together.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you always carry 3 condoms you'll always be ready for
>>>>> sex.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indeed!  Everyone should use both.  The risk with just Implanon
>>>> is 1 in 2000, the risk with Implanon and Condoms is 1/2,000 x
>>>> 1/6 (condom typical use) x 1/100 (100 sex acts per year double
>>>> counted) = 1 in 1,200,000.
>>>>
>>>> They give DUIs to lower the risk of dying in a car accident to
>>>> less than 1 in 2,000.  Maybe you think a pregnancy is not death
>>>> but it's kind of getting close.
>>>>
>>>> For boys: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4(pull-out) x 1/100(sex acts double
>>>> counted) = 1 in 2,400.  In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x
>>>> 1/25(pull-out perfect) x 1/100 (sex acts per year double
>>>> counted)= 1/125,000.
>>>>
>>>> From 1 in 2,400 to 1 in 125,000 might be safe enough to use if
>>>> there's not a better option.  As the risk of dying in a car
>>>> accident is about 1 in 10,000*.  However they are always trying
>>>> to find ways to lower that risk and save the 30,000 which die.
>>>> If in a repeated and pre-meditated relationship, one can advise
>>>> their partner to use hormonal or the sponge or diaphragm in
>>>> addition.
>>>>
>>>> Contraceptive rates from the CDC:
>>>> www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/unintendedpregnancy/pdf/contraceptive_methods_508.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/unintendedpregnancy/pdf/contraceptive_methods_508.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *1 in 10,000 is of course less than 1 in 2,000.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Likewise, the risk with no birth control is 80%.
>>>
>>> 1 in 1.25 per every 100 sex acts (per year). 1 in 125 per act.
>>>
>>> 4 times, no protection = 4 in 125 = 1 in 30. 12 times, no
>>> protection = 12 in 125 = 1 in 10 = 10%.
>>>
>>>
>>> HAVE SEX 125 TIMES AND THE RISK IS 100% YOU WILL GET PREGNANT!
>>>
>>>
>>> I knew a girl in high school who only had sex 4 times and got
>>> pregnant. 1 in 30 girls would!
>>>
>>> It's like the movie "Fast Times as Ridgemont High," where she has
>>> sex for less than 5 minutes and gets pregnant.
>>>
>>> Having sex with no protection is the same as intending to get
>>> pregnant. If you get semen in your vagina and thus uterus with no
>>> protection, your chances of pregnancy with ordinary sexuality are
>>> 100% in 1.25 years.
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter what age you are, the risk stays the same.
>>> Those who are older are sometimes wiser and more financially able
>>> to support.  And those who already have children may have less of
>>> a life change. That's the only difference.
>>>
>>> But telling teens not to have sex is effectively telling teens
>>> to masturbate.  Teens have mature and operating sex organs and
>>> physically are as ready for sex physically as they will be at any
>>> time in their lives.  To say teens are not ready for sex for some
>>> mental reason is ignorant and unintelligent belittlement and
>>> insult.  Sexuality is right, and the risk of an unplanned
>>> pregnancy as described above notwithstanding.  Teens are also
>>> responsible enough to be taught to use the simple and effective
>>> methods of birth control as described above. If they weren't,
>>> they wouldn't be responsible enough to not have sex which they're
>>> not not doing.  Like it's easier to just say "Use Abstinence?"
>>> No, I disagree.  It is easy enough to just say "Use these
>>> methods." They know how to cook eggs for cripesakes.  They're as
>>> interested in the opposite sex as they'll ever be.  They're as
>>> horny as they'll ever be. They need as much agency to protect
>>> themselves from the risk of pregnancy as they'll ever need.
>>> Teens should legally have sex in their own bedrooms.
>>>
>>> For your sake, and for the sake of the unborn child, and for
>>> everyone's sake; take the above advice and use and advocate more
>>> than one method of birth control together at a time when you have
>>> sex.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/unintendedpregnancy/pdf/contraceptive_methods_508.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a good chart.  This table from the Association of
>>> Reproductive Health Professionals is also helpful, as it shows a
>>> precise breakdown of the risk of using contraceptives in both
>>> typical and perfect use.
>>>
>>> https://www.arhp.org/Publications-and-Resources/Quick-Reference-Guide-for-Clinicians/choosing/failure-rates-table
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As an example it shows spermicide in typical use, percent of
>>> women out of 100% pregnant in one year, 28% in typical use, and
>>> 18% in perfect use.  Divide 100% by 28%, and 18%, and see the
>>> risk is 1 in 3.57 women in typical use, and 1 in 5.55 women in
>>> perfect use will get pregnant in a year with just spermicide.
>>>
>>> For the withdrawal method it shows 22% in typical use and 4% in
>>> perfect use.  Divide 100% by 22% and 4%, and see the risk is 1 in
>>> 4.54 women in typical use, and 1 in 25 women in perfect use will
>>> get pregnant in a year with just withdrawal.
>>>
>>> An individual's risk must fall somewhere in between those two,
>>> depending on how likely they are to be among those who fail to
>>> use the birth control perfectly, and end up increasing the
>>> statistic for typical use.
>>>
>>> I find it interesting that people sometimes advocate the use of
>>> spermicide with condoms (or the diaphragm), but more rarely
>>> advocate withdrawal as a 2nd method concurrently.  They should.
>>> The withdrawal method is more effective than spermicide according
>>> to the chart; and like spermicide, when combined with another
>>> type of birth control, the chance of both failing at the same
>>> time make its use even more important.  Though the responsibility
>>> and control over this method remain in the hands of the man - who
>>> should take as much responsibility for birth control as the
>>> woman, it's an important method for males. Though the woman
>>> should take her own responsibility and not expect or rely on the
>>> male if not engaging in repeated activities with a known and
>>> trusted partner.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, actually, girls should just use the sponge and the condom, and
>> boys should just use the pull-out and the condom. Boys and girls
>> should never use the sponge or the pull-out without any other
>> methods, but when either is used in conjunction with another
>> method, the increase in safety is so significant that it must be
>> mentioned repeatedly. It's kind of silly for a girl who is not
>> already in a repeated sexual relationship to be on hormonal birth
>> control for the sake of pregnancy. I mean, a girl could go three
>> years on Implanon without ever having sex, whether she's 14 or 34.
>> The sponge and condom concurrently provide about as much safety for
>> a female as the pull-out method and the condom concurrently do a
>> male. The female can only count on those two methods of the sponge
>> and the condom (until with a male she knows well sexually) while
>> it's possible the male could count on all three, as he could put a
>> sponge in a female (wash hands first to avoid introducing harmful
>> bacteria into the vaginal canal!), and thus could count on all of
>> the three non-prescription, non-invasive, methods himself.
>> Nevertheless, the female could tell the male to pull-out, and that
>> she wants him to cum on her Tits. But she can't and shouldn't count
>> on it (unless possibly in an ongoing and trustworthy relationship).
>> The sponge along with the condom, will work well for the female for
>> spontaneous sex, while a $50 diaphragm (prescription) is an easy
>> and less expensive alternative to the sponge for sex that is more
>> anticipated; i.e. a boyfriend coming over for the night. A sponge
>> is probably easier to carry than a diaphragm that requires a tube
>> of spermicide and more preparation to put in. As soon as a first
>> instance of sex becomes a repeated sexual relationship, a female
>> can switch to a diaphragm when sex is more expected, and save money
>> and be a little safer, or persist with the sponge when it remains
>> spontaneous. Or, the female can at that point consider one of the
>> 5 types of hormonal birth control: 1. The Implant 2. Injections 3.
>> The Vaginal Ring 4. The Patch 5. The Birth Control Pill - there are
>> actually 3 different types of birth control pills, thus equating to
>> 7 different types of hormonal methods total. And, there is also the
>> IUD.
>>
>> Hormonal methods and the IUD sometimes have side effects however!
>>
>> Implanon has been reported to cause mental changes.
>>
>> The diaphragm, the sponge, the condom, and pull-out method have no
>> such side effects. On the other hand, some women want hormonal
>> birth control to stop or regulate their period.
>>
>> So consider and read about, the psychological and physiological
>> risks of hormonal birth control and the IUD, and watch out for any
>> changes if you start using them.
>>
>> The risks of pregnancy using the sponge and the condom together,
>> as mentioned above, thus are calculated as follows (explained
>> below) from:
>> https://www.arhp.org/Publications-and-Resources/Quick-Reference-Guide-for-Clinicians/choosing/failure-rates-table
>>
>>
>>
>> (parous means "birth," nulli means "not;" not birth = not mothers)
>>
>> Condoms and Pull-Out Typical use: 1 in 2,730, perfect use 1 in
>> 125,000
>>
>> Condom and Diaphragm: Typical use: 1 in 4,998, perfect use 1 in
>> 83,350
>>
>> Condoms and Sponge in women who have not had babies-"Nulliparous
>> women:" Typical use: 1 in 4,998, perfect use 1 in 55,550
>>
>> Condoms and Sponge in mothers who have had babies -"Parous women:"
>> Typical use: 1 in 2,502, perfect use 1 in 25,000
>>
>> These are the yearly risks of 100 sex acts inclusive, presuming
>> the statistical snake-eyes theory of calculation described below
>> makes sense, and that the risks given on the webpage are based upon
>> 100 sex acts per year (they may only be based upon 80, in which
>> case, divide the above risks by 100 and multiply by 80, for 80 sex
>> acts inclusive. - For each additional year of active sex, the risk
>> goes up! 2 years, twice the risk, 10 years, 10x the risk!).
>>
>> These statistics are calculated as follows: For the sponge alone,
>> by itself we see from the chart on the webpage: Mothers who have
>> given birth "Parous women," 24% in typical use, and 20% in perfect
>> use, in a given year of consistent sex will get pregnant, that's
>> about 1 in 4 to 1 in 5.
>>
>> and women who have not given birth "Nulliparous women," we see 12%
>> in typical use, and 9% in perfect use in a given year of consistent
>> sex will get pregnant, that's about 1 in 8 to 1 in 10.
>>
>> So, as I just described, if you divide 24%, 20%, 12% and 9% each
>> into 100%, you get the exact calculations of the numbers I suggest,
>> and see that for Mothers "Parous women" 1 in 4.17 mothers in
>> typical use and 1 in 5 mothers in perfect use will get pregnant
>> using only the sponge alone from a year of consistent sex, and for
>> non-mothers "Nulliparous women," 1 in 8.33 in typical use, and 1 in
>> 11.11 in perfect use will get pregnant with the sponge alone from a
>> year of consistent sex.
>>
>> For the diaphragm alone, we see from the chart on the webpage, 12%
>> in typical use, and 6% in perfect use in a given year of consistent
>> sex will get pregnant. Thus if you divide 12% and 6% into 100%, you
>> get 1 in 8.33 in typical use, and 1 in 16.67 in perfect use, will
>> get pregnant with the diaphragm alone, from a year of consistent
>> sex.
>>
>> For the condom alone, - we see from the chart on the webpage, 18%
>> in typical use, and 2% in perfect use, in a given year of
>> consistent sex will get pregnant. Thus if you divide 18% and 2%
>> into 100%, you get 1 in 6 in typical use, and 1 in 50 in perfect
>> use, will get pregnant with the condom alone, from a year of
>> consistent sex. (Other sources suggest in typical use condoms may
>> be slightly safer than 18% - like maybe 16.66%).
>>
>> And for withdrawal, as noted in messages above, we see from the
>> chart on the webpage, 22% in typical use, and 4% in perfect use, in
>> a given year of consistent sex will get pregnant. Thus if you
>> divide 22% and 4% into 100%, you get 1 in 4.55 in typical use, and
>> 1 in 25 in perfect use will get pregnant with the withdrawal method
>> alone, from a year of consistent sex.
>>
>> The yearly risks of birth control are given based upon 80-100 sex
>> acts. But when 2 types of birth control are used, the per act risk
>> times the per act risk must be considered first. Only then may the
>> number of yearly acts actually committed determine the actual risk
>> - 80-100 acts per year here - to come up with the normal yearly
>> risk. Thus merely multiplying the _yearly risk_ times the _yearly
>> risk_ makes the yearly risk of pregnancy apparently appear greater
>> than it really is, as the per act risk must be multiplied by the
>> per act risk _first_, and then multiplied times the number of
>> actual acts. To describe further: If one rolled one die, the chance
>> it came up with the "1" dot side up is 1/6. If one rolls two dice
>> together, the chance both come up with the "1" dot sides up
>> together - called "snake eyes" - is 1 in 36 or 1/36 which is
>> exactly equal to 1/6 x 1/6. You may check this fact by realizing
>> that for each of the 6 sides on the first die that may come up,
>> there are 6 possibilities of the second die that may come up with
>> it. Further, if one rolls one die by itself again, 3 times this
>> time, the chance the "1" dot side comes up with that one die, is 3
>> chances in 6, or 3/6. Yet, if one rolls both dice 3 times together,
>> the chance of "snake eyes," is not 3/6 x 3/6 = 9/36, but rather 3
>> in 36, or 3/36. 3/36, not 9/36. So for these birth control
>> statistics, I presume we have to multiply the per act risk, times
>> the per act risk, _first_, and then multiply by the number of sex
>> acts, to get the true risk. As the yearly risks given by the chart
>> above were already based upon (80 or) 100 sex acts, when we
>> multiply the yearly risk times the yearly risk, we have factored
>> 100 acts twice, and need to divide by 100 to get the right risk.
>>
>> So to get the 4 above statistics
>>
>> For the condom and the pull-out method (yearly risk) again, we
>> see: In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4.55(pull-out) x 1/100(sex
>> acts double factored) = 1 in 2,730. In perfect use: 1/50(condom
>> perfect) x 1/25(pull-out perfect) x 1/100(sex acts double factored)
>> = 1 in 125,000.
>>
>> For the condom and diaphragm (yearly risk) in all females, we see:
>> In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/8.33(diaphragm) x 1/100(sex acts
>> double counted) = 1 in 4,998. In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect)
>> x 1/16.67(diaphragm perfect) x 1/100 (sex acts per year double
>> counted) = 1 in 83,350.
>>
>> For the condom and sponge in Nulliparous girls non-mothers, we see:
>> In In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/8.33(sponge) x 1/100(sex acts
>> double factored) = 1 in 4,998. In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect)
>> x 1/11.11(sponge perfect) x 1/100 (sex acts per year double
>> factored)= 1 in 55,550.
>>
>> For the condom and sponge in Parous women - mothers, we see: In
>> typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4.17(sponge) x 1/100(sex acts double
>> counted) = 1 in 2,502. In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/5
>> (sponge perfect) x 1/100 (sex acts per year double counted)= 1 in
>> 25,000.
>>
>>
>> So it's obvious that while the sponge alone, like the pull-out
>> method, is not an effective method of birth control by itself - and
>> neither much is the condom, - when any two are combined with one
>> another, the risk becomes fairly acceptable.
>>
>> (Note that by itself, in mothers, "Parous women," the sponge is
>> more risky than the pull-out by itself, in typical and perfect use,
>> both.)
>>
>> So if you're female, use the sponge and a condom for spontaneous
>> sex, as these can be carried and inserted easily, and get a
>> prescription diaphragm which requires the use of spermicide, for
>> immediate use in a repeated relationship (basically just because
>> it's cheaper. Also in perfect use a little safer in non-mothers,
>> and three times safer in mothers, and in typical use, equal risk in
>> non-mothers and twice the safety in mothers) in which one can
>> anticipate sex ahead of time - like a date with someone one has
>> already had sex with. At $50 this is cheaper for someone not
>> consistently sexually active, than is any hormonal birth control
>> method. After in a repeated relationship, one can consider an IUD
>> or a hormonal method (such as Implanon ($800 = over 3
>> years=$266/year), (or the pill $15-$50/month=$180-$600/year)), or
>> stick with the diaphragm and sponge plan.
>>
>> The sponge is a bit pricey at $3-$5 each, but for 24 or so
>> anticipated sex acts per year, that's only $72-$120, then one may
>> switch to the diaphragm for repeated relationships - or pay
>> $300-$500 per year to continue using the sponge for 100 sex acts.
>> The Sponge is probably a better plan for spontaneous sex because
>> you don't have to carry a tube of spermicide, and it may be easier
>> to insert (remember to wash your hands first).
>>
>> You can order the sponge online at Walmart here:
>>
>> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Today-Sponge-Vaginal-Contraceptive-Sponge-3-count/29314216
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I encourage all men to order their daughters 10 boxes ($110-$150),
>> and encourage them to carry one in their purse, changing it out at
>> least once per month, along with 3 condoms. The sponge can be used
>> all night, condoms may need to be changed.
>>
>> Boys should also carry 3 condoms, plan to pull-out before they
>> ejaculate, and try out various condom varieties in the Fleshlight
>> before they have sex with them. So get your sons the Fleshlight.
>> And get your daughters the Jack-Rabbit vibrator, and/or a smaller
>> vibrator or dildo especially if they're on the younger side, while
>> you're at it. Girls can break their hymen with a dildo themselves,
>> and then it won't hurt their first time, and they won't bleed and
>> expose themselves to increased risk of disease for their first
>> time.
>>
>> Get both sons and daughters a supply of at least 90-100 condoms
>> ($40-$120 (or even less)), so they can carry 3 at a time for 36
>> months. I'm serious.
>>
>> You might order them here, or get a variety pack online somewhere
>> for the boys to test out in the Fleshlight, and get a variety you
>> know is most comfortable for males for the girls.
>>
>> http://www.walmart.com/ip/LifeStyles-Ultra-Sensitive-Condoms-40ct/17324884
>>
>>
>> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Lifestyles-Ultra-Sensitive-Premium-Lubricated-Latex-Condoms-14ct/16940435
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Trojan-Ultra-Ribbed-Premium-Lubricant-Condoms-Value-Pack-36-count/21000193
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Queen size beds are a good idea, as minors should have sex in the
>> safety of their own homes. Sexuality is a human right, and "wards,"
>> have rights as well - if as yet undefined -. It's kind of stupid to
>> be counseled to talk to your kids about sex, and then be expected
>> to have them to have sex in the back of a car.
>>
>> In regards to the above risks, realize an individual's risk must
>> fall somewhere in between typical and perfect use, depending on how
>> likely they are to be among those who fail to use the birth control
>> method perfectly, and end up increasing the statistic for typical
>> use (wouldn't these typical use figures vary by year(?)).
>>
>> Anyone from a teen to a 50-something could be on Implanon for 3
>> years and not have sex. If not already sexually active, a plan to
>> carry the sponge - which can be used all night - and 3 condoms, is
>> probably superior. When the relationship becomes repeated, the
>> diaphragm is cheaper and a little safer to use than the sponge, for
>> times when sex can be better anticipated (like a date with someone
>> you've already had sex with).
>>
>> If you use all 3 noninvasive methods - condoms / sponge(or
>> diaphragm) / & pull-out; you're even safer. The snake eyes
>> calculation would suggest the risk to be: (I'll just calculate for
>> the riskiest "Parous" Mothers and sponge, and condoms and
>> pull-out):
>>
>> In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4.55(pull-out) x 1/100(sex acts
>> double counted) = 1 in 2,730 as calculated above for condoms and
>> pull-out, x 1/4.17(Sponge Typical "Parous" Mothers) x 1/100(sex
>> acts double counted/factored again) = 1/1,138,410
>>
>> In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/25(pull-out perfect) x
>> 1/100(sex acts double factored) = 1 in 125,000 as calculated above
>> for condoms and pull-out, x 1/5 (Sponge Perfect "Parous" Mothers) x
>> 1/100(sex acts per year double factored/counted again) =
>> 1/62,500,000
>>
>> A similar calculation for Typical use for the Sponge in
>> Non-Mothers "Nulliparous," with typical use of condoms and
>> pull-out, results in = 1/2,274,090,
>>
>> A similar calculation for Perfect use of Sponge in Non-Mothers
>> "Nulliparous," with perfect use of condoms and pull-out, results
>> in = 1/138,875,000.
>>
>> A similar calculation for Typical use for the Diaphragm, with
>> Typical use of condoms and pull-out, also results in =
>> 1/2,274,090, (same as typical use of sponge in non-mothers
>> "nulliparous," as both 12%, 1 in 8.33 in typical use by
>> themselves)
>>
>> A similar calculation for Perfect use of Diaphragm with Perfect use
>> of condoms and pull-out, results in = 1/208,375,000.
>>
>>
>> Keeping semen out of orifices is also a big way to reduce the risk
>> of pregnancy and STI's. However at least two birth control methods
>> must be used to reduce the risk of pregnancy effectively, and the
>> condom must be used to reduce the risk of STI's effectively. Not
>> all condoms are alike, some are thick, some are thin. Some make sex
>> feel even better. I suggest males try out many of them - in the
>> Fleshlight if they are less sexually active males, and see which
>> feels best.
>>
>> Both the sponge and the diaphragm must be left in place for at
>> least six hours after the last act of intercourse. The sponge can
>> be worn for up to 30 hours, thus it may be inserted only up to 20
>> hours or so before the first act of intercourse (depending on how
>> long the act of intercourse may last for), and then left in place
>> for six hours more. The diaphragm may be worn for up to 24 hours.
>> After 2-6 hours after initially inserting the diaphragm (some
>> sources say 6, some sources say 2, do you own research or ask your
>> provider) you must insert more spermicide deep into the vagina if
>> you intend to have sex again. Not so the sponge. Also, there are
>> different types of diaphragms, with different types of springs in
>> the rim, depending on one's vaginal tone.
>>
>> Girls, use these birth control methods until you can figure out how
>> to speak to your ovaries and tell them to naturally not release an
>> egg and waste energy. And then tell them to release an egg on
>> command. This should conceivably be possible somehow. And thereby
>> you would be able to ovulate all your life without menopause -
>> which typically happens between ages 40 and 60. I don't know. Just
>> speculating.
>>
>> I also wonder if the diaphragm or sponge might provide limited
>> additional protection against HIV. For from female to male, the HIV
>> is mostly on the mucous of the cervix of the female, which is
>> blocked by the sponge or diaphragm, and from male to female, the
>> sponge or diaphragm keeps the sperm from getting further into the
>> female and her uterus, which I just imagine might limitedly
>> decrease the risk of infection. However I have only read it said
>> that condoms provide protection against HIV.
>>
>> To provide protection against HIV, use condoms which make sex 10x
>> safer according to some studies, and keep semen out of orifices,
>> especially if you have cuts in mouth, and use condoms and pull-out
>> for anal sex also, or don't have anal sex at all. The gay men and
>> the intravenous drug users are much more liable to have it so are
>> much more liable to spread it. The more one has sex the higher the
>> increase in risk (unlike some diseases which transmit immediately).
>> One could get a test before continuing with a repeated partner
>> forever.
>>
>> And remember the religious commandment to "Love One Another."
>> Choose friends who are with your lives and protect your lives, not
>> those who are not with your lives or endanger your lives.
>>
>> For the purpose of sexual relationships is friendship, love and
>> honor and happiness.
>>
>> And the purpose of the law is humanity, and the law is nothing
>> without humanity:
>>
>> Matt 22:35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question,
>> testing Him, and saying, “Teacher, which is the great commandment
>> in the law?” Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God
>> with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
>> This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it:
>> ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two
>> commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
>>
>> I translate this to mean, love yourself, and love others. i.e. the
>> law is nothing without humanity. The purpose of the law is
>> humanity, and not idol worship or idolatry. God is the Creator of
>> the Self, who is born again anew in each new moment, and no concept
>> of God has any meaning without a concept of your Self as well. To
>> know and love the Living Creator of the Self, you must first know
>> and love your Self. You will not know yourself while condemning
>> others for rightful things!
>>
>> Rather you should love others as yourself, and choose others who
>> endeavor to do in kind. People sometimes make mistakes, but choose
>> others who are good at heart.
>>
>> Thus, the purpose of the law is humanity, and the law is nothing
>> without humanity.
>>
>> Merry Christmas!
>>
>> ----------
>>
>> This link contains links, especially two links at the bottom, with
>> other research into STD's and pregnancy prevention:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/5$20reasons$20to$20use$20condoms/alt.religion.christian.intervarsity/v2EDdb5_q7Q/MJRwdffHCHoJ
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> The following is merely experimental thinking and a rough draft, I
> don't currently have time to address it, so, think for yourselves
> about all points positive and negative if you care to.  It may
> provide a starting point for better thinking of your own:
>
> If you're a real stickler for not wanting to use Condoms or
> Hormonal/IUD, the Sponge combined with the Rhythm Method (sex on only
>  certain days) or the Pull-Out method, is an option only if you're in
> a repeated sexual relationship where you can trust your other
> partner, AND you can stand to have a baby but would merely prefer not
> to. The Rhythm Method and the Pull-Out method combined is an even
> riskier option. However using all three methods together is indicated
> to be nearly 100% safe with zero risk, and recommended as an option.
> So another option if accepting of these risks could be to use the
> Sponge and the Rhythm Method, while using the Sponge and the Pull-Out
> Method on days where the Rhythm Method indicated you weren't supposed
> to have sex.  So basically the idea there is you don't have to
> Pull-Out on days the Rhythm Method says sex is okay.  The Pull-Out
> and the Rhythm is getting even riskier on the downside at 1 in
> 1,897.
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> Typical Use: Sponge and Pull-Out = 8.33 x 4.55 x 100 = 3,790 Perfect
> Use: Sponge and Pull-Out = 11.11 x 25 x 100 =  27,775
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> Typical Sponge and Rhythm = 8.33 x 4.17 x 100 = 3,473 Perfect Sponge
> and Rhythm*= 11.11 x 20 x 100 = 22,220
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> Typical Use: Pull-Out and Rhythm = 4.55 x 4.17 x 100 = 1,897 Perfect
> Use: Pull-Out and Rhythm*= 25 x 20 x 100 = 50,000
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> All 3 together: Typical Sponge and Pull-Out and Rhythm = 4.17 x 8.33
> x 100 x 4.55 x 100 = 1,580,475 Perfect Sponge and Pull-Out and
> Rhythm*= 20 x 11.11 x 100 x 25 x 100 = = 55,550,000
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> (*Worst type of Rhythm Method use for Perfect Use calculations. Best
> type of Rhythm Method would be over 10x safer for Perfect Use. There
> is no distinction indicated for Typical Use between Rhythm Methods.)
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> Typical Use: Diaphragm and Pull-Out = 8.33 x 4.55 x 100 = 3,790
> Perfect Use: Diaphragm and Pull-Out = 16.67 x 25 x 100 = 41,675
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> Typical Diaphragm and Rhythm = 8.33 x 4.17 x 100 = 3,473 Perfect
> Diaphragm and Rhythm*= 16.67 x 20 x 100 = 33,340
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> Above Sponge calculations are only for Nulliparous childless women.
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> For Parous Mothers: Typical Use: Parous Sponge and Pull-Out = 4.17 x
> 4.55 x 100 = 1,897 Perfect Use: Parous Sponge and Pull-Out = 5 x 25 x
> 100 = 12,500
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> Typical Parous Sponge and Rhythm = 4.17 x 4.17 x 100 = 1,739 Perfect
> Parous Sponge and Rhythm*= 5 x 20 x 100 = 10,000
>
> Remember the risk of dying in a car accident is guesstimated to be
> about 1 in 10,000.  That risk may actually be even less, meaning 1 in
> 10,000+, as some may die in car accidents because they are drunk
> drivers who do themselves in.  Using only one method may be like
> driving 95 in a 25 Zone.  Maybe if there was no other way to get
> around you would, but there is another way to get around - and that
> is by following traffic laws and using 2 or 3 types of birth
> control.
>
> All 3 together Parous Sponge (Mothers) : Typical Rhythm and Sponge
> and Pull-Out = 4.17 x 4.17 x 100 x 4.55 x 100 = 791,195 Perfect
> Rhythm* and Sponge and Pull-Out = 20 x 5 x 100 x 25 x 100 = =
> 25,000,000
>
> All 3 together Diaphragm: Typical Rhythm and Diaphragm and Pull-Out =
> 4.17 x 8.33 x 100 x 4.55 x 100 = 1,580,475 Perfect Rhythm* and
> Diaphragm and Pull-Out = 20 x 16.67 x 100 x 25 x 100 = = 83,350,000
>
> Also you might want to remember you could divide by 100 and multiply
> by 80 (in the case of the 3 method way 2 times) and see that it could
> be even riskier than indicated.  But you'd have to use 80 on all the
> other risk calculations relatively to compare.
>
> Also, it should be said that, the lack of a risk of pregnancy is not
> an argument for someone to have sex with someone else.  Mutual desire
> is a key here.  If someone does not want to have sex, the reasons may
> include: 1) Legitimate fears of pregnancy: addressed here. 2)
> Legitimate fears of disease: addressed in links to link above. 3) Not
> Sexually Attracted: trim body hair with hair clippers, go to to gym
> and exercise.  Also shower, use mouthwash, wear cologne, dress
> better, etc. (shave balls/pussy lips but don't shave against grain
> elsewhere between waist and knees, including above genitals, without
>  testing out a patch for a week, or else be prepared to suffer 2
> months of ingrown hairs for which you may try the product "Tend
> Skin.") Scrubbing with a Sisal Loofah will make your skin softer. 4)
> Religion - what? 5) Waiting until marriage - huh?? 6) Virginity - eat
> pussy/suck dick until they're interested in sex, and/or find others.
> 7) Not in ~LOVE~ ...well... Love is the greatest seduction secret.
> Maybe you should pursue spirituality.  Maybe they need to get to know
> you better.  Ask them, what they want in a member of the opposite
> sex.
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> Actual studies should now be done on the risk of using 2 methods
> concurrently, there could, for instance be a correlated factor that
> caused both methods to fail concurrently, but probably not, and the
> above numbers shouldn't lie.
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