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Push Gravity

Started byjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
First post2018-12-30 17:36 -0800
Last post2019-01-09 21:35 -0800
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  Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 17:36 -0800
    Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 01:45 +0000
      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 18:02 -0800
        Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 02:37 +0000
          Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-30 19:28 -0800
            Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-30 22:09 -0600
              Re: Push Gravity Paul Dakota <jsf@iaswmh.nb> - 2018-12-31 07:14 +0000
                Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-31 09:48 -0600
            Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-31 04:57 +0000
              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 23:19 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-30 23:23 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity Paul Dakota <jsf@iaswmh.nb> - 2018-12-31 07:34 +0000
                  Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-31 00:26 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 00:31 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 03:20 -0800
                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 04:40 -0800
                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 05:06 -0800
                    Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:30 +0000
                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 08:42 -0800
                        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 09:27 -0800
                        Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 18:07 +0000
                          Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 10:19 -0800
                            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 10:25 -0800
                              Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-12-31 12:53 -0600
                              Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 19:29 +0000
                                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:08 -0800
                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:26 -0800
                                    Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 14:44 -0800
                                  Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:15 -0500
                                    Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 18:36 -0800
                                      Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-02 22:54 -0600
                                        Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 11:23 -0800
                                          Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 14:53 -0800
                                            Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 21:40 -0800
                                              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 22:49 -0800
                                                Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 12:53 -0800
                                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 09:23 -0800
                                                    Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 18:23 +0000
                                                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 11:04 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 19:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 10:26 -0800
                                                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 11:27 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-05 20:18 +0000
                                                          Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 12:45 -0800
                                                      Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 11:30 -0800
                                                    Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 13:20 -0800
                                                      Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 18:30 -0500
                                                        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 16:23 -0800
                                                          Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 17:47 -0800
                                                            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 18:47 -0800
                                                              Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-05 23:08 -0600
                                                                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 21:19 -0800
                                                              Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 21:01 -0800
                                                                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 21:56 -0800
                                                                  Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-05 22:37 -0800
                                                                    Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 06:31 -0800
                                                                      Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-06 16:54 +0000
                                                                        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 09:30 -0800
                                                                          Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-06 18:27 +0000
                                                                          Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 13:38 -0800
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 13:45 -0800
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 13:53 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 14:04 -0800
                                                                                    Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:46 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-06 14:05 -0800
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 22:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:44 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 02:53 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 02:11 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 03:57 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:55 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-09 01:49 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-09 04:48 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-09 15:27 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 02:47 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-07 10:58 -0600
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 22:16 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 16:21 -0800
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:38 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 02:54 +0100
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 22:16 +0000
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:35 +0000
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-07 00:51 +0000
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-01-07 03:02 +0100
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 15:04 -0500
                                                                            Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-07 01:34 -0800
                                                                            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 03:07 -0800
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 04:26 -0800
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 11:55 -0800
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:32 +0000
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 04:32 -0800
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:37 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 13:21 -0800
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:31 +0000
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-08 15:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 15:02 -0500
                                                                              Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:00 +0000
                                                                                Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:36 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 14:45 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 15:43 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 12:52 -0800
                                                                                      Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 21:39 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 19:18 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 01:27 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 17:50 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-09 18:38 -0800
                                                                                              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-09 18:27 -0800
                                                                      Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-06 11:11 -0800
                                                                      Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:07 +0000
                                                              Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:07 +0000
                                                          Re: Push Gravity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-05 20:52 -0800
                                                            Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-06 04:55 -0800
                                                              Re: Push Gravity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 05:12 -0800
                                                              Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-06 10:34 -0600
                                                                Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 12:39 -0800
                                                                  Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-07 09:31 -0600
                                                                    Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-08 05:00 -0800
                                                            Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 10:57 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 10:30 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-06 21:07 +0000
                                                          Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 14:54 -0500
                                                            Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:00 +0000
                                                              Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-08 23:33 -0500
                                                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 14:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 15:42 -0500
                            Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 19:29 +0000
                              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 12:05 -0800
                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 20:50 +0000
                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 13:13 -0800
                                    Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 21:48 +0000
                                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:01 -0800
                                        Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 22:11 +0000
                                          Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:17 -0800
                                            Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 22:31 +0000
                                              Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:50 -0800
                                                Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 00:00 +0000
                                                  Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 16:13 -0800
                                                    Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 01:47 +0000
                                                      Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 18:00 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-01 13:36 +0000
                                                          Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-04 02:33 -0800
                                                            Re: Push Gravity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2019-01-04 16:26 +0000
                                                              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-04 08:47 -0800
                                                      Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 22:28 -0500
                                                        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 19:51 -0800
                                                          Re: Push Gravity turcaudjp@gmail.com - 2019-01-01 02:13 -0800
                                                          Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 16:33 +0000
                                                        Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-01 16:33 +0000
                                                      Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-02 15:12 -0800
                                                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-02 15:09 -0800
                                                  Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 23:24 +0000
                                                    Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 15:45 -0800
                                                      Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 23:54 +0000
                                                        Re: Push Gravity john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 15:57 -0800
                                                          Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:23 -0500
                                                          Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 02:44 +0000
                                                        I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-02 16:19 -0800
                                                          Re: I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-02 19:27 -0500
                                                            Re: I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 17:30 -0700
                                                          Re: I've been slandering UseNutters for 28 years now. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 17:30 -0700
                                                            PeeScent's fifth grade education. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2019-01-02 16:39 -0800
                                                              Re: PeeScent's fifth grade education. Jeff-Relf.Me@ - 2019-01-02 17:43 -0700
                                                                Re: PeeScent's fifth grade education. "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-02 19:53 -0500
                                                                  Re: PeeScent's fifth grade education. Jeff-Relf.Me@ - 2019-01-02 17:59 -0700
                                                                Re: PeeScent is homeless, I assume. Jeff-Relf.Me@ - 2019-01-03 07:13 -0700
                                                              Re: PeeScent's fifth grade education. "Sir Gregory Hall,  Esq." <greghall@yacht_maester.fake> - 2019-01-02 19:47 -0500
                                                                Re: PeeScent's fifth grade education. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 17:51 -0700
                                                        Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:22 -0500
                                                          Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 02:44 +0000
                                                      Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-02 23:49 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 02:47 -0800
                                                          Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-03 02:53 -0800
                                                            Re: Push Gravity Arther Jackson <invalid@example.com> - 2019-01-04 15:10 -0800
                                                              Re: Push Gravity % <persent@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 16:12 -0700
                                                              Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-04 19:41 -0500
                                                                Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-04 23:17 -0800
                                                    Re: Push Gravity benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-02 19:17 -0500
                                                      Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 14:41 -0800
                                                        Re: Push Gravity Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-06 10:35 -0600
                                                    Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-02 23:45 -0800
                    Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2019-01-01 02:19 -0800
            Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-31 01:59 -0800
              Re: Push Gravity poraty6@gmail.com - 2018-12-31 02:15 -0800
    Re: Push Gravity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 14:14 +0000
    Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-12-31 09:57 -0800
    Re: Push Gravity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-12-31 14:08 -0800
    Re: Push Gravity "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-03 14:42 -0800
    Push Gravity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 19:53 -0800
      Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-09 20:49 -0800
        Re: Push Gravity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 21:03 -0800
          Re: Push Gravity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-09 21:35 -0800

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#721650 — Push Gravity

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-30 17:36 -0800
SubjectPush Gravity
Message-ID<3abc90a3-925c-4d2f-9712-225293f6f66d@googlegroups.com>
Electrons push on protons. The push is not mechanical, but relies on resonance of one wave with another. Two kinds of radiation come from electrons; just like stars radiate neutrinos and photons, electrons radiate a smaller version of these. The 1/2 spin of these neutrino miniatures RESONATES with the 1/2 spin of the proton when they are aligned.
Therefore, protons are only absorbing along one direction in Space at any one time

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#721651

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-12-31 01:45 +0000
Message-ID<q0bsbf$gq1$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#721650
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Electrons push on protons.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Electrons and protons ATTRACT each other, very strongly! Many, many orders
of magnitude more than their mutual gravity!!

You don't even know about the electromagnetic force??

<snip word salad>

Now take your shovel and get the hell out of the graveyard!

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#721653

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-30 18:02 -0800
Message-ID<da1c6c97-711f-4bb4-bcc7-658d3439a15c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721651
MM
“Electrons and protons ATTRACT each other, very strongly! Many, many orders 
of magnitude more than their mutual gravity!! ”
Of course they do. They have opposing spin. So why don’t they come together?

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#721657

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-12-31 02:37 +0000
Message-ID<q0bvdl$cs3$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#721653
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"Electrons and protons ATTRACT each other, very strongly! Many, many orders
>of magnitude more than their mutual gravity!! "
>Of course they do. They have opposing spin.

No, they have opposite CHARGE.  The spin may or may not be the same, or 
opposite.

> So why don't they come together?

They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom".

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#721667

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-30 19:28 -0800
Message-ID<70503b21-2c12-47e2-8d93-62a1ebfc589c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721657
MM
“They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom”
Electrons and protons pair up in all atoms.
What keeps them from smashing into each other?

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#721673

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-12-30 22:09 -0600
Message-ID<q0c4qa$1ugg$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#721667
On 12/30/2018 9:28 PM, john wrote:
> MM
> “They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom”
> Electrons and protons pair up in all atoms.
> What keeps them from smashing into each other?
> 


because they are so small,
think if they are so small, how could they smash into each other?

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#721694

FromPaul Dakota <jsf@iaswmh.nb>
Date2018-12-31 07:14 +0000
Message-ID<q0cfkj$1c2f$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#721673
Sergio wrote:

> On 12/30/2018 9:28 PM, john wrote:
>> MM “They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom” Electrons and protons pair
>> up in all atoms. What keeps them from smashing into each other?
>
> because they are so small,
> think if they are so small, how could they smash into each other?

nonsense.

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#721734

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-12-31 09:48 -0600
Message-ID<q0ddns$1jib$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#721694
On 12/31/2018 1:14 AM, Paul Dakota wrote:
> Sergio wrote:
> 
>> On 12/30/2018 9:28 PM, john wrote:
>>> MM “They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom” Electrons and protons pair
>>> up in all atoms. What keeps them from smashing into each other?
>>
>> because they are so small,
>> think if they are so small, how could they smash into each other?
> 
> nonsense.
> 

scale it up,

 electron is only 2.82 x 10-13 cm.


A proton is a very small part of a whole atom. The diameter of a proton
is given as 10^ -15m. This is far too small for the human mind to
imagine, let alone see. So to comprehend the size of a proton relative
to an atom, you will have to scale up the atom first. Say you were to
scale an atom, which includes the electron(s) orbiting the nucleus, to
50 meters. The nucleus in its center would be about ½ inch in size. Out
of that, a single proton would amount to only half a millimeter. From
this you can see that a single atom has lots of “free space” within
itself and isn’t a single dot like one can imagine.

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#721677

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2018-12-31 04:57 +0000
Message-ID<q0c7jd$n85$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#721667
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom"
>Electrons and protons pair up in all atoms.
>What keeps them from smashing into each other?

Quantum mechanics.

See any freshman level chemistry or physics book.

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#721695

Fromporaty6@gmail.com
Date2018-12-30 23:19 -0800
Message-ID<8a293f4b-3298-4b1d-b748-941986554545@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721677
On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 6:57:21 AM UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >MM
> >"They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom"
> >Electrons and protons pair up in all atoms.
> >What keeps them from smashing into each other?
> 
> Quantum mechanics.
> 
> See any freshman level chemistry or physics book.
==========================
according to my findings   

ALL** FORCES ARE PUSH   FORCES !!
NO SUCH THING AS PULL   FORCE 
IF YOU  STUDY IT CAREFULLY 
YOU FIND THAT
''AT THE END OF THE DAY '''
IT   IS ALL-- PUSH FORCES !!

how come ??
see my Y.Circlon   mechanism  
===================================

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#721696

Fromporaty6@gmail.com
Date2018-12-30 23:23 -0800
Message-ID<15cba247-a7b0-4c72-b795-c5e7d9289845@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721695
On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 9:19:53 AM UTC+2, por...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 6:57:21 AM UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> > >MM
> > >"They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom"
> > >Electrons and protons pair up in all atoms.
> > >What keeps them from smashing into each other?
> > 
> > Quantum mechanics.
> > 
> > See any freshman level chemistry or physics book.
> ==========================
> according to my findings   
> 
> ALL** FORCES ARE PUSH   FORCES !!
> NO SUCH THING AS PULL   FORCE 
> IF YOU  STUDY IT CAREFULLY 
> YOU FIND THAT
> ''AT THE END OF THE DAY '''
> IT   IS ALL-- PUSH FORCES !!
> 
> how come ??
> see my Y.Circlon   mechanism  
> 

===================================
and to be more specific and tangibly 
see
http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract

at its appendix 

TIA
Y.P
=====================

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#721698

FromPaul Dakota <jsf@iaswmh.nb>
Date2018-12-31 07:34 +0000
Message-ID<q0cgq9$1gno$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#721695
poraty6 wrote:

> On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 6:57:21 AM UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> >MM "They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom" Electrons and protons pair
>> >up in all atoms. What keeps them from smashing into each other?
>> 
>> Quantum mechanics. See any freshman level chemistry or physics book.
> ==========================
> according to my findings
> 
> ALL** FORCES ARE PUSH   FORCES !!
> NO SUCH THING AS PULL   FORCE IF YOU  STUDY IT CAREFULLY YOU FIND THAT
> ''AT THE END OF THE DAY ''' IT   IS ALL-- PUSH FORCES !!

drag forces are bigger than push forces.

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#721703

Fromporaty6@gmail.com
Date2018-12-31 00:26 -0800
Message-ID<dabf2241-7318-431f-94bd-f0c09d802980@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721698
On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 9:34:38 AM UTC+2, Paul Dakota wrote:
> poraty6 wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 6:57:21 AM UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> >> 
> >> >MM "They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom" Electrons and protons pair
> >> >up in all atoms. What keeps them from smashing into each other?
> >> 
> >> Quantum mechanics. See any freshman level chemistry or physics book.
> > ==========================
> > according to my findings
> > 
> > ALL** FORCES ARE PUSH   FORCES !!
> > NO SUCH THING AS PULL   FORCE IF YOU  STUDY IT CAREFULLY YOU FIND THAT
> > ''AT THE END OF THE DAY ''' IT   IS ALL-- PUSH FORCES !!
> 
> drag forces are bigger than push forces.
===========
(:-)

1 why

2


does particles that make Drag force 
has some rubber strings 
to do the pull     ??

what are those 'rubber string '' made of ??
3

what is more likely 

push momentum --by collision ?

or  ''pull   momentum''' by what ?
how  pull  momentum   is done ??
may be by some   mysterious    glue ??..
=======
TIA
Y.Porat
=====================





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#721704

FromJames McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-31 00:31 -0800
Message-ID<e164b1a9-1511-41ea-9b85-c2124cd90a59@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721677
On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 8:57:21 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >MM
> >"They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom"
> >Electrons and protons pair up in all atoms.
> >What keeps them from smashing into each other?
> 
> Quantum mechanics.
> 
> See any freshman level chemistry or physics book.

Stupid answer.  

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#721718

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-31 03:20 -0800
Message-ID<6c9d1f81-2e06-44d6-a6c8-0e37f7350966@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721677
MM
“>"They do. It's called a "hydrogen atom" 
>Electrons and protons pair up in all atoms. 
>What keeps them from smashing into each other? 

Quantum mechanics. 

See any freshman level chemistry or physics book. ”

So when considering the very small, your suck model of gravity, for which you have no mechanism, has protons and electrons SUCKING each other together gravitationally AND sucking each other together electrically, but they don’t crash together because magical QM keeps them apart- how?- and when considering the very large, it doesn’t work unless you invoke Dark Matter, which has never been demonstrated after years of looking.
Gotcha.

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#721720

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-31 04:40 -0800
Message-ID<d06ffc13-d202-4f93-8a75-bed7d77222ff@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721718
MM
“See any freshman level chemistry or physics book. ” 

So when considering the very small, your suck model of gravity, for which you have no mechanism, has protons and electrons SUCKING each other together gravitationally AND sucking each other together electrically, but they don’t crash together because magical QM keeps them apart- how?- and when considering the very large, it doesn’t work unless you invoke Dark Matter, which has never been demonstrated after years of looking. 
Gotcha. ”
So Michael.
The gravity theory that YOU believe FAILS at the very small, FAILS at the very large, and FAILS at providing a mechanism.
And you’re worried that shielding hasn’t been demonstrated with push gravity?
Except the Allais effect, of course.

Gotcha. Talk about selective criticism

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#721724

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-31 05:06 -0800
Message-ID<b4938846-09ab-4256-b7f0-c67087b6dcd9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721720
MM
““See any freshman level chemistry or physics book. ” 

So when considering the very small, your suck model of gravity, for which you have no mechanism, has protons and electrons SUCKING each other together gravitationally AND sucking each other together electrically, but they don’t crash together because magical QM keeps them apart- how?- and when considering the very large, it doesn’t work unless you invoke Dark Matter, which has never been demonstrated after years of looking. 
Gotcha. ” 
So Michael. 
The gravity theory that YOU believe FAILS at the very small, FAILS at the very large, and FAILS at providing a mechanism. 
And you’re worried that shielding hasn’t been demonstrated with push gravity? 
Except the Allais effect, of course. 

Gotcha. Talk about selective criticism ”

Let’s highlight your schizophrenia a little more: you say the electrons couldn’t be radiating or they would lose energy and crash into the proton. However, you and Odd say they don’t have a pathway- they are DISTRIBUTED but have kinetic energy. So none of this kinetic energy must be towards the proton, right? So, their kinetic energy has to have any direction EXCEPT towards the proton, in spite of the fact that you say the electrons are attracted to the proton both gravitationally and electrically?
Is that right?
However electrons can be EXCITED and move to- where? Distributed but further away? So then why can a photon knock them out sometimes but not other times? And how, when that happens, can they immediately have relativistic speed? 
Are you seeing how totally scattered the shit you believe has become? 
Time to take your shovel and start digging, bud.
Your stuff stinks

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#721728

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-31 14:30 +0000
Message-ID<q0d96o$ve8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#721724
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> MM
> ““See any freshman level chemistry or physics book. ” 
> 
> So when considering the very small, your suck model of gravity, for which
> you have no mechanism, has protons and electrons SUCKING each other
> together gravitationally AND sucking each other together electrically,
> but they don’t crash together because magical QM keeps them apart- how?-
> and when considering the very large, it doesn’t work unless you invoke
> Dark Matter, which has never been demonstrated after years of looking. 
> Gotcha. ” 
> So Michael. 
> The gravity theory that YOU believe FAILS at the very small, FAILS at the
> very large, and FAILS at providing a mechanism. 
> And you’re worried that shielding hasn’t been demonstrated with push gravity? 
> Except the Allais effect, of course. 
> 
> Gotcha. Talk about selective criticism ”
> 
> Let’s highlight your schizophrenia a little more: you say the electrons
> couldn’t be radiating or they would lose energy and crash into the
> proton. However, you and Odd say they don’t have a pathway- they are
> DISTRIBUTED but have kinetic energy. So none of this kinetic energy must
> be towards the proton, right? 

This is a prime example of why you get mocked, John. You have in your head
things like flowing energy in this direction or that because this is just
how your mind fabricates those concepts. It never crosses your mind to read
a freshman text where the difference is explained between scalar and vector
quantities, and that one kind has direction and the other does not, and
which physics quantities are of what type. Had you done that, you would
have been confronted with the fact that kinetic energy DOES NOT HAVE any
direction, and so statements like “kinetic energy toward” this or that just
don’t have meaning in physics EVEN IF such phrases make sense to you. All
this points out is that you use physics words without understanding their
content. 

You call this schizophrenia when it is just the jumble and conflict between
what the words actually mean and what you IMAGINE they mean. 

And you will certainly say at some point that I’m an asshole for pointing
this out. 


> So, their kinetic energy has to have any direction EXCEPT towards the
> proton, in spite of the fact that you say the electrons are attracted to
> the proton both gravitationally and electrically?
> Is that right?
> However electrons can be EXCITED and move to- where? Distributed but
> further away? So then why can a photon knock them out sometimes but not
> other times? And how, when that happens, can they immediately have relativistic speed? 
> Are you seeing how totally scattered the shit you believe has become? 
> Time to take your shovel and start digging, bud.
> Your stuff stinks
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#721737

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-31 08:42 -0800
Message-ID<455938c8-4dfc-4ff2-b96d-007daee7daa5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721728
Odd
“the fact that kinetic energy DOES NOT HAVE any 
direction, and so statements like “kinetic energy toward” this or that just 
don’t have meaning in physics”

But Odd!! If the electrons were radiating, they would ‘spiral into the nucleus”.
That’s YOUR objection.
So if your ‘distributed electron’ (hahaha) loses some energy, then you’re saying that suddenly it WILL change its directionless kinetic energy into directed towards the nucleus? And spiral in?
Because obviously the base level energy DOESNT, right?

Sorry, but so many of your physics concepts just don’t seem to HAVE any meaning. You know?

How can “directionless” mean “always away from, counter to, the gravitational AND electric attraction of the nucleus?
And how can “directionless “, when given MORE energy, result in the excited Bohr series of energy changes? Huhn?

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#721738

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2018-12-31 09:27 -0800
Message-ID<6069d418-1df3-4eb0-aa22-e0b94c3344e2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#721737
Odd and MM and PD
You guys are so funny as you wildly backpedal into more and more precarious ridiculousness.
Distributed electrons that appear to have a period according to attophysics, and can only be impacted at certain time intervals and when they do, their ‘kinetic directionless energy ‘ (lmao) changes into directed energy  and they exit the atom at incredible speeds.
And when excited, they go into a ‘higher’ orbital, but still apparently go nowhere? And then when they give up some energy, what?, they all mail it to a central ‘photon-making machine’ of some kind?

But, wait, wait. Gravity is even better. You have NO MECHANISM- matter, according to you just ‘knows’ that other matter is present, because the Space is ‘warped’.
But then since that doesn’t work for galaxies you pluck an ‘entirely new form’ of matter out of thin air to account for that which STILL- after 40 years- has not been demonstrated.

But forget that.

Explain to me how electrons are held separate from protons in the atom when the two- according to you- are both gravitationally and electrically ATTRACTED together by a ‘directionless’ kinetic energy.

Go go go, woodworker Odd!

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