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Galaxy and Black Holes Relate

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First post2017-06-28 20:25 -0700
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  Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-06-28 20:25 -0700
    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-06-28 22:19 -0700
    Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 05:44 -0700
      Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Graveyard Vandal <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-29 06:08 -0700
    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2017-06-29 15:24 -0700
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 02:31 -0700
        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 02:37 -0700
          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 11:36 +0000
          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 05:15 -0700
            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-30 17:50 +0000
              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 15:12 -0700
                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-01 04:14 +0000
                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 01:46 -0400
                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 06:10 -0700
                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 11:19 -0700
                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:35 -0700
                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 11:27 -0700
                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 19:13 -0700
                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 03:33 -0700
                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 07:39 -0700
                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 10:23 -0700
                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 11:07 -0700
                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 02:01 +0000
                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 01:58 +0000
                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 20:38 -0700
                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 03:54 +0000
                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-04 22:40 -0700
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 02:34 -0700
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 13:05 +0000
                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 06:32 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:00 -0700
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 07:20 -0700
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 15:09 +0000
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:30 -0500
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 16:05 -0700
                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 08:03 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 17:27 +0000
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:32 -0500
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:29 -0500
                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:02 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:13 -0700
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 14:36 -0500
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 16:17 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 14:24 -0500
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:27 -0700
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:58 -0700
                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 09:34 -0700
                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-05 13:06 -0700
                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:20 -0500
                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 11:15 -0700
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 18:31 +0000
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 13:38 -0500
                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 14:36 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-05 15:21 -0700
                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 16:14 -0700
                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:59 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-06 20:33 +0000
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 20:35 -0700
                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-08 07:17 +0000
                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:16 -0700
                                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 01:49 +0000
                                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 18:52 -0700
                                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 04:18 +0000
                                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 05:20 -0700
                                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 12:56 +0000
                                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 06:32 -0700
                                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 17:19 +0000
                                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 10:27 -0700
                                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 09:57 -0700
                                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-08 20:14 -0700
                                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 20:22 -0700
                                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:06 -0700
                                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:19 -0700
                                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 07:27 -0700
                                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 17:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 10:37 -0700
                                                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-10 02:06 +0000
                                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 08:03 -0700
                                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:15 -0400
                                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 04:15 +0000
                                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-09 12:58 -0700
                                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 18:26 -0700
                                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-10 01:53 +0000
                                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-09 19:34 -0700
                                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 09:53 -0700
                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:18 -0700
                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 12:04 -0700
                                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 18:49 -0700
                                              Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 01:58 +0000
                                                Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 19:12 -0700
                                                  Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 19:38 -0700
                                                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-09 04:04 +0000
                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 09:49 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 08:27 -0700
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 10:33 -0700
                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-07 10:47 -0700
                                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 07:47 -0700
                                        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 08:01 -0700
                                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 10:15 -0700
                                            Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 11:48 -0700
                          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:48 -0700
                      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:47 -0700
                    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 15:46 -0700
          Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 06:34 -0700
    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-07-05 15:09 -0700
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 15:11 -0700
        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-06 15:22 -0700
    Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 10:33 -0700
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-09 10:46 -0700
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 11:14 -0700
        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-09 13:33 -0700
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 11:37 -0700
        Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:19 -0400
      Re: Galaxy and Black Holes Relate john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 12:20 -0700

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#638951

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 12:13 -0700
Message-ID<e55b7b66-4275-48fe-9a95-d79fada6fc05@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#638950
Anyway, enough.

Galaxies are redshifted wrt each other.

Let me count the reasons. Say 'agree' or 'no':

1. Distance
2. Velocity
3. Energy/intrinsic

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#638956

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 14:36 -0500
Message-ID<ojjf3b$1cl3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#638951
On 7/5/17 2:13 PM, john wrote:
> Anyway, enough.
> 
> Galaxies are redshifted wrt each other.
> 
> Let me count the reasons. Say 'agree' or 'no':
> 
> 1. Distance
> 2. Velocity
> 3. Energy/intrinsic
> 

I don't know what the third one means to you.

The redshift is due to relative velocity. The observation by Hubble is 
that, overall, velocity is proportional to distance. So you could say 
that redshift happens to be related to distance because of this 
observational fact, but it's not a separate cause of redshift.

Now the fact that the velocity is proportional to distance turns out to 
have a stunning consequence. Let me walk through that with you.

Suppose you have a thing that is 50 light-years away and you observe 
that it is receding from you at 5E-9 c. You can ask the question, how 
long ago was it right nearby, if it's been receding at that rate the 
whole time. That calculation is bonehead simple.

time = distance/velocity
time = 50 light years / 5 billionths light-speed
time = 10 billion years.

Huh, ok, make note of that number.

Now you look and there is another object that is 150 light years away 
and it is receding at 15E-9 c. (Remember, the velocity is observed to be 
proportional to the distance.) So how long ago was it right nearby?

time = distance/velocity
time = 150 light years / 15 billionths light speed
time = 10 billion years.

Son of a gun, same time as before!

Now you look and there is another object that is 200 million light years 
away. By Hubble's observations, it's also receding at 20 million 
billionths of light speed.

time = distance/velocity
time = 200 million light years / 20 million billionths light speed
time = 10 billion years.

SAME TIME AS BEFORE! So 10 billion years ago (in this example) 
everything would have been right nearby, all on top of each other.

This little bit of logical thinking, which starts with Hubble's 
OBSERVATION of velocity and distance being proportional, and clocking 
backwards, is the Big Bang hypothesis. It comes directly from 
OBSERVATION. No escaping that conclusion, no matter how much it 
conflicts with some magical beliefs you have about eternity and things 
remaining always the same.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#638999

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 16:17 -0700
Message-ID<bbea4592-7ff5-4e6d-bb24-a7c9c8683d99@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#638951
On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 3:13:20 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> Anyway, enough.
> 
> Galaxies are redshifted wrt each other.
> 
> Let me count the reasons. Say 'agree' or 'no':
> 
> 1. Distance
> 2. Velocity
> 3. Energy/intrinsic

Ignoring nonsense post that is only trying to dodge the topic.

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#638954

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 14:24 -0500
Message-ID<ojjedt$1bl2$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#638950
On 7/5/17 2:02 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "by that interaction rather than just bouncing off intact like atoms do."
> So, I imagine that YOU imagine that little balls
> that are atoms bounce off each other with
> little or no change to their little ball shape.
> Maybe they flatten a little, like a golf ball?
> Is that how you see it, Odd?
> 

Depends on the scale. If you have two oxygen atoms, they will actually 
stick together to make O2 and then their shape has definitely changed, 
and there is a bond between them.

But let's say you have helium gas. Then those are treated very much like 
little BB's that collide elastically, with the time between collisions 
being a lot longer than the time in collision, and with little to no 
change in the individual helium atoms. This is called the kinetic theory 
of gases, and Boltzmann was one of the key people who figured it out. By 
the way, one of Einstein's most compelling papers in 1905 was about 
Brownian motion, which is due to the elastic collisions of atoms and 
molecules in a fluid off a small body. With this, he actually proved 
that molecules were real, in a time when that was very uncertain.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#638955

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 12:27 -0700
Message-ID<584f6c89-0b78-4a49-8740-af0e4b321403@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#638954
Bod 
Timescale

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#638991

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 15:58 -0700
Message-ID<0f06c159-6d33-4c71-821d-fcac2ddfaceb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#638871
On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 1:40:58 AM UTC-4, john wrote:
> MM
> "Irrelevant. We're discussing colliding galaxies, not atom"
> Maybe atoms and galaxies just bounce off each
> other because that's what they do.

Silly boy.

We know Atoms do not collide in ordinary interactions
because they are dominated by electromagnetic properties.
We have observed this in the lab many times.
We can actually calculate the interactions fairly
precisely.

We know galaxies do collide in ordinary interactions
because they are dominated by gravity.
We observe this in the cosmos in many cases.
We can actually calculate the interactions fairly
precisely.

So we KNOW that galaxies DO NOT just bounce off each.
ED

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#638908

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 09:34 -0700
Message-ID<a1c91e5d-9cbb-4d12-a262-6f2ebc1638b4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#638865
On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 8:38:51 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> MM
> "
> >YOU say they are "colliding" for some reason. 
> >Why? 
> 
> No, NASA says they are colliding.  Since NASA has actual scientists who ..."
> 
> Yes.
> And do atoms collide?

Neutrons collide.Neutrinos collideTreBert

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#638958

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2017-07-05 13:06 -0700
Message-ID<ojjgmb$6uv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#638908
In his <http://tinyurl.com/Blog-of-2-fecal-kikes-Mar2017>
+ in a.a & s.p. Glazier brags about his Radical & Fanatical
Extremism of Jewish Supremacy in which Bert posts
about HIS own sorry state, what he eats & how Glazier
gets drunk & full of cocaine to report the local Temp by
<http://tinyurl.com/Loudmouth-Glazier-8Feb2017> [1], who
is the <http://tinyurl.com/The-Chosen-Graveyard-Vandal> 
that causes untold misery to his own ilk. "It's a pity"

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#638922

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 12:20 -0500
Message-ID<ojj75a$vts$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#638865
On 7/4/17 10:38 PM, john wrote:
> MM
> "
>> YOU say they are "colliding" for some reason.
>> Why?
> 
> No, NASA says they are colliding.  Since NASA has actual scientists who ..."
> 
> Yes.
> And do atoms collide?
> 

Of course they do. You'll notice there's no characteristic gamma 
radiation from matter-antimatter annihilation in those collisions EITHER.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#638939

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 11:15 -0700
Message-ID<b4856157-4303-4cf0-be55-a341495d1a6a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#638922
Odd
"On 7/4/17 10:38 PM, john wrote: 
> MM 
> " 
>> YOU say they are "colliding" for some reason. 
>> Why? 
> 
> No, NASA says they are colliding.  Since NASA has actual scientists who ..." 
> 
> Yes. 
> And do atoms collide? 
> 

Of course they do. You'll notice there's no characteristic gamma 
radiation from matter-antimatter annihilation in those collisions EITHER. 

-- 
"

So, Odd,
Your position is that atoms bounce off each
other cause they're LITTLE,
but galaxies go right through each other
cause they're BIG.
Gotcha. Good thinking 

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#638942

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-05 18:31 +0000
Message-ID<ojjb9b$jl7$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#638939
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Odd
>"On 7/4/17 10:38 PM, john wrote: 

>> And do atoms collide? 

>Of course they do. You'll notice there's no characteristic gamma 
>radiation from matter-antimatter annihilation in those collisions EITHER. 

>So, Odd,
>Your position is that atoms bounce off each
>other cause they're LITTLE,
>but galaxies go right through each other
>cause they're BIG.
>Gotcha. Good thinking 

No, John. Times like this make me think you *deliberately* misinterpret
the answers you have been given.

Atoms bounce off of each other because they have electron clouds
that repel each other when they get close to each other.

Galaxies go through each other because they don't have electron
clouds (or anything else) that repel each other. There is nothing to
stop the individual stars, only gravity to deflect them.

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#638945

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 13:38 -0500
Message-ID<ojjbnd$17ij$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#638939
On 7/5/17 1:15 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "On 7/4/17 10:38 PM, john wrote:
>> MM
>> "
>>> YOU say they are "colliding" for some reason.
>>> Why?
>>
>> No, NASA says they are colliding.  Since NASA has actual scientists who ..."
>>
>> Yes.
>> And do atoms collide?
>>
> 
> Of course they do. You'll notice there's no characteristic gamma
> radiation from matter-antimatter annihilation in those collisions EITHER.
> 

 > --
 > "

 > So, Odd,
 > Your position is that atoms bounce off each
 > other cause they're LITTLE,
 > but galaxies go right through each other
 > cause they're BIG.
 > Gotcha. Good thinking

No, John, that's not what I said at all. Let me repeat myself succinctly 
so maybe your pot-addled head will absorb it this time:

1. If atoms were like galaxies, you'd be in trouble because your thesis 
that galaxies have both matter and antimatter in them, and then atoms 
would ALSO have matter and antimatter in them, and then you'd see the 
characteristic gamma rays from BOTH atoms and galaxies, and you DON'T.

2. Atoms are not like galaxies because their behavior is dominated by a 
very strong electromagnetic interaction which is 43 orders of magnitude 
larger than gravity in that case. (The math is easy.) In galaxies, where 
their is very little net charge floating around, gravity dominates and 
the little bit of magnetic field is 20 orders of magnitude SMALLER than 
the gravitational influence. (Again the math is easy.) This is why atoms 
bounce off each other and galaxies do not -- they are DIFFERENT and 
there's a REASON they're different.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#638973

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 14:36 -0700
Message-ID<790f6f24-1bee-42bf-be43-3f410ca9dded@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#638945
On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 11:38:43 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/5/17 1:15 PM, john wrote:
> > Odd
> > "On 7/4/17 10:38 PM, john wrote:
> >> MM
> >> "
> >>> YOU say they are "colliding" for some reason.
> >>> Why?
> >>
> >> No, NASA says they are colliding.  Since NASA has actual scientists who ..."
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >> And do atoms collide?
> >>
> > 
> > Of course they do. You'll notice there's no characteristic gamma
> > radiation from matter-antimatter annihilation in those collisions EITHER.
> > 
> 
>  > --
>  > "
> 
>  > So, Odd,
>  > Your position is that atoms bounce off each
>  > other cause they're LITTLE,
>  > but galaxies go right through each other
>  > cause they're BIG.
>  > Gotcha. Good thinking
> 
> No, John, that's not what I said at all. Let me repeat myself succinctly 
> so maybe your pot-addled head will absorb it this time:
> 
> 1. If atoms were like galaxies, you'd be in trouble because your thesis 
> that galaxies have both matter and antimatter in them, and then atoms 
> would ALSO have matter and antimatter in them, and then you'd see the 
> characteristic gamma rays from BOTH atoms and galaxies, and you DON'T.
> 
> 2. Atoms are not like galaxies because their behavior is dominated by a 
> very strong electromagnetic interaction which is 43 orders of magnitude 
> larger than gravity in that case. (The math is easy.) In galaxies, where 
> their is very little net charge floating around, gravity dominates and 
> the little bit of magnetic field is 20 orders of magnitude SMALLER than 
> the gravitational influence. (Again the math is easy.) This is why atoms 
> bounce off each other and galaxies do not -- they are DIFFERENT and 
> there's a REASON they're different.
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

When two galaxies come together they share their BHs.They go from flat to circular.They become bigger and brighter,and have a much better chance for humankind type of life.Milky way is flat but we were lucky in more ways then one.TreBert

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#638983

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2017-07-05 15:21 -0700
Message-ID<ojjokk$36o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#638973
<http://tinyurl.com/Loudmouth-Glazier-8Feb2017> [1] who
shows his Radical Extremism of Jewish Supremacy in the
<http://tinyurl.com/Blog-of-2-fecal-kikes-Mar2017> & waits
for  <http://tinyurl.com/Swine-Glazier-s-Undertaker> who
has a gruesome end in store for Glazier, which is the same
"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote:
>
Is there any math going with God. "Go figure" that Glazier 
is <http://tinyurl.com/The-Chosen-Graveyard-Vandal>

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#638996

FromEdward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-05 16:14 -0700
Message-ID<0d0823a7-55f8-42d1-8b6b-3f383f4199a8@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#638939
On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 2:15:48 PM UTC-4, john wrote:
> Odd
[]
> 
> So, Odd,
> Your position is that atoms bounce off each
> other cause they're LITTLE,
> but galaxies go right through each other
> cause they're BIG.
> Gotcha. Good thinking

NO.

You have it perfectly backwards. I don't think you
could be any farther from the right understanding.

Because they are small, they interact by different properties.
In my other posts I tried to simplify it for you by only
mentioning E&M. The interaction of atoms is also described
by Quantum Mechanics. Yeah, I know that QM blows your mind,
but sorry son, Mother Nature is a bitch.

Reality is her game by her rules. Not mine, not yours.
Ed

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#639122

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-06 09:59 -0700
Message-ID<b333478b-1abb-46f4-86ac-1d60ea4be1c9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#638996
ed
"Because they are small, they interact by different properties.
In my other posts I tried to simplify it for you by only "

Light as compared to atoms is different than
light as compared to galaxies.
That's your argument?
If they are fractals, then galaxies also have a form of light; possibly Quasars.

We're talking about atoms which cycle at 10-16 seconds,
compared to galaxies, which cycle at 200 million years.
Coincidentally, atoms are 10^31 times smaller,
and cycle 10^31 times faster!
Not a coincidence.

But, yes, OUR emr would have a different relationship 
with each. So, what?

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#639156

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-06 20:33 +0000
Message-ID<ojm6rh$fgm$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#639122
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Light as compared to atoms is different than
>light as compared to galaxies.
>That's your argument?

There you go again, deliberately misunderstanding his answer.

>If they are fractals, then

They aren't; so not applicable.

>Coincidentally, atoms are 10^31 times smaller,
>and cycle 10^31 times faster!
>Not a coincidence.

No, not a coincidence, just your drug-addled mind looking for and finding
patterns where none exist.

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#639397

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-07 20:35 -0700
Message-ID<317c8bff-ca73-4d01-9163-12bd134eb2cd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639156
MM
"

There you go again, deliberately misunderstanding his answer. "

No I didn't.
His answer was that electromagnetic effects
on galaxies and atoms is different, so they
couldn't be fractals of each other.
Galaxies and atoms are obviously at different
size scales. Therefore his answer is dumb.

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#639408

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-08 07:17 +0000
Message-ID<ojq0tl$7f5$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#639397
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"

>There you go again, deliberately misunderstanding his answer. "

>No I didn't.
>His answer was that electromagnetic effects
>on galaxies and atoms is different, so they
>couldn't be fractals of each other.
>Galaxies and atoms are obviously at different
>size scales. Therefore his answer is dumb.

There you go again, deliberately misunderstanding his answer.

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#639421

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-08 06:16 -0700
Message-ID<0ac01c20-5d76-4622-89e1-c10b7b40b1de@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639408
MM
He was talking about emr.
emr is a product of atoms.

Electromagnetic fields around atoms would
be comparable to Cosmic Ray patterns around
galaxies.

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