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Antimatter just upside down matter

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  Antimatter just upside down matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 07:07 -0700
    Antimatter just upside down matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 07:09 -0700
    Re: Antimatter just upside down matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-29 15:11 +0000
      Re: Antimatter just upside down matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 09:18 -0700
        Re: Antimatter just upside down matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-29 17:21 +0000
          Re: Antimatter just upside down matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 10:38 -0700
            Re: Antimatter just upside down matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-29 18:45 +0000
              Re: Antimatter just upside down matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 14:19 -0700
                Re: Antimatter just upside down matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 14:33 -0700
                  Re: Antimatter just upside down matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-30 02:26 +0000
                  Re: Antimatter just upside down matter Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-08-30 12:36 -0700
                    Re: Antimatter just upside down matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 15:08 -0700
                      Re: Antimatter just upside down matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 10:22 -0700
                        Re: Antimatter just upside down matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-01 00:22 +0000
                      could be, if you invert in a retroreflector noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 14:39 -0700
          Re: Antimatter just upside down matter "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 10:38 -0700
            Re: Antimatter just upside down matter "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-08-29 11:18 -0700
      Re: Antimatter just upside down matter poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-09-01 00:37 -0700
        Re: Antimatter just upside down matter noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 11:18 -0700
    Re: Antimatter just upside down matter "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 10:39 -0700
      Re: Antimatter just upside down matter "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-08-29 11:18 -0700
    Re: Antimatter just upside down matter Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-30 00:01 -0400
      Re: Antimatter just upside down matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 06:36 -0700
        Re: Antimatter just upside down matter edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-08-30 07:28 -0700
          Re: Antimatter just upside down matter john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-30 07:44 -0700
            Re: Antimatter just upside down matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-30 15:23 +0000
            Re: Antimatter just upside down matter edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-08-30 10:39 -0700
        Re: Antimatter just upside down matter moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-30 15:34 +0000
      Re: Antimatter just upside down matter Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-30 20:40 +0200

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#595054 — Antimatter just upside down matter

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-29 07:07 -0700
SubjectAntimatter just upside down matter
Message-ID<d082bb4c-6dec-449c-99fb-60256f839870@googlegroups.com>
Antimatter just has the "up"
electron installed in the "down" slot.
Everything is half and half

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#595055

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-29 07:09 -0700
Message-ID<ff275156-97ce-4cb6-98a0-56da3d3ae343@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595054
Or, I should say, everything WANTS to
be half and half.

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#595062

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-08-29 15:11 +0000
Message-ID<nq1jaf$iva$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#595054
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> kooked:

>Antimatter just has the "up"
>electron installed in the "down" slot.
>Everything is half and half

No, John. You do not get to redefine what antimatter is.

Antimatter is defined as something where all the properties that can be
opposite _are_ the opposite.  In particular, things like charge. For
example, an anti-electron (positron) has a + charge, the opposite of
the electron. An antiproton has a negative charge, etc.

A spin-up vs. spin-down electron just has ONE property opposite.
Things like charge etc. remain the same, so a spin-down electron
is NOT the antimatter version of a spin-up electron.

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#595065

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-29 09:18 -0700
Message-ID<20705976-9785-47e5-8602-952e9accb48d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595062
MM
When installed in an atom, the
antimatter part is rotating backwards.
This reverses the charge.
The charge comes from the
rotation, the magnetism comes from
the precession of the charge.
Suggestion

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#595069

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-08-29 17:21 +0000
Message-ID<nq1qua$mbb$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#595065
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> kooked:

>MM
[snip blithering]
>Suggestion

Not even word salad, that's just blithering drool you wrote.

There are no positrons in atoms of ordinary matter, not even at "down" positions
in atomic orbitals. There are no antiprotons or any other form of antimatter
in ordinary matter.

Again, you don't get to redefine "antimatter". It has a specific, well-known
meaning in physics.

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#595072

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-29 10:38 -0700
Message-ID<c4886fdd-13ad-497a-872b-dad76e52be06@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595069
Michael
Antimatter can be produced anywhere.
Therefore, it must exist everywhere.
Where, then, IS the antimatter, Michael

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#595088

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-08-29 18:45 +0000
Message-ID<nq1vrn$2bi$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#595072
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>Michael
>Antimatter can be produced anywhere.
>Therefore, it must exist everywhere.
>Where, then, IS the antimatter, Michael 

Not really. You get antimatter when you have 1 MeV+ photons flying around
(which are REALLY energetic) or some way to accelerate particles to that
energy, or a rare few B+ decaying nuclei.  So it happens but not "anywhere"
just when those conditions are met.  And once it does happen, the positron
wanders for a short distance before encountering an electron and poof!
More gammas and it's gone!

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#595121

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-29 14:19 -0700
Message-ID<6c447590-1539-42f2-add7-a266d4b9c7e7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595088
Michael said
"- show quoted text -
Not really. You get antimatter when you have 1 MeV+ photons flying around 
(which are REALLY energetic) or some way to accelerate particles to that 
energy, or a rare few B+ decaying nuclei.  So it happens but not "anywhere" 
just when those conditions are met.  And once it does happen, the positron 
wanders for a short distance before encountering an electron and poof! 
More gammas and it's gone! "

Yes, but you can carry your machine
around and do it anywhere- and you
don't claim the antimatter comes from 
your device.
So- antimatter available anywhere.
:)

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#595127

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-29 14:33 -0700
Message-ID<838b2a24-75e5-441e-996e-1ac624eec6d0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595121
Just still trying to clarify:
there are two ways to make a vortex-
left-rotating or right.
The vortex has a top- 
depending on definition,
the left-rotating vortex, when rotated
away from the top,
will precess left, making matter.
The right-rotating vortex, when
rotated away from top,
will precess right, and make antimatter.

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#595184

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-08-30 02:26 +0000
Message-ID<nq2qsg$u42$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#595127
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> tarded:

>Just still trying to clarify:
>there are two ways to make a vortex-
>left-rotating or right.
>The vortex has a top- 
>depending on definition,
>the left-rotating vortex, when rotated
>away from the top,
>will precess left, making matter.
>The right-rotating vortex, when
>rotated away from top,
>will precess right, and make antimatter.

Looks like you visited "Little Pharma" again, but got some really bad
shit this time.

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#595260

FromDouble-A <double-a3@hush.com>
Date2016-08-30 12:36 -0700
Message-ID<2b874e9e-7885-428f-ae88-f526af53bc08@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595127
On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 2:33:18 PM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Just still trying to clarify:
> there are two ways to make a vortex-
> left-rotating or right.
> The vortex has a top- 
> depending on definition,
> the left-rotating vortex, when rotated
> away from the top,
> will precess left, making matter.
> The right-rotating vortex, when
> rotated away from top,
> will precess right, and make antimatter.


What about a vortex on its side?

Double-A

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#595286

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-30 15:08 -0700
Message-ID<2dd3b363-87ce-451c-89a2-6cb3e1ec9bb6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595260
AA said
"Vortex?"

Okay.
Energy happens.
It will make two vortices.

One vortex spins clockwise, and immediately
the vortex itself
starts rotating forward 
around its funnel and precessing
clockwise at 1:2.
It is an electron.

The other vortex spins counterclockwise
and immediately the vortex itself
starts rotating forward around
it's funnel and precessing
counterclockwise at 1:2.
It is a positron.

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#595338

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-31 10:22 -0700
Message-ID<801f9a9e-5791-4845-92c1-9d8ad026b2c5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595286
You get a vortex and anti vortex
IN THE UNDERLYING FRACTAL SPACE.
If there is enough energy, they
become an electron and positron.

There are two possible: cyclone/anticyclone.

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#595401

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-09-01 00:22 +0000
Message-ID<nq7sci$lr0$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#595338
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>You get a vortex and anti vortex
>IN THE UNDERLYING FRACTAL SPACE.
>If there is enough energy, they
>become an electron and positron.

>There are two possible: cyclone/anticyclone.

So you went back to Little Pharma for even more of that really bad shit,
I see.

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#595368 — could be, if you invert in a retroreflector

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-31 14:39 -0700
Subjectcould be, if you invert in a retroreflector
Message-ID<e5751482-a1b5-42ea-af81-4f78b2978408@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595286
precessing at h-bar halves?...  of course,
half of Universe is antimatter in the alfven cosomos
of plasma, which is at least 2/3 of every thing

> The other vortex spins counterclockwise
> and immediately the vortex itself
> starts rotating forward around
> it's funnel and precessing
> counterclockwise at 1:2.
> It is a positron.

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#595073

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-29 10:38 -0700
Message-ID<0f77a971-6f2d-4074-8754-444c18095544@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595069
On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 10:22:19 AM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> kooked:
> 
> >MM
> [snip blithering]
> >Suggestion
> 
> Not even word salad, that's just blithering drool you wrote.
> 
> There are no positrons in atoms of ordinary matter, not even at "down" positions
> in atomic orbitals. There are no antiprotons or any other form of antimatter
> in ordinary matter.
> 
> Again, you don't get to redefine "antimatter". It has a specific, well-known
> meaning in physics.

Reverse spin gives it positive charge.Electron = Positrons and nature keeps them apart. TreBert

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#595080

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2016-08-29 11:18 -0700
Message-ID<nq1ub2$ri9$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595073

"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote
"Why would TreBert want to stay here?"... cuz ...
 ...
In thread" "Glazier flagged as being abusive"

<http://tinyurl.com/Glazier-the-Lying-Swine>,

has been observed to encourage and animate
other graveyards vandals to follow and copy-cat
Cretin Glazier's criminal conduct & behavior.

>
So, Glazier, you will never become  Mayor
unless you have the moral fiber and the
human decency to recant, repent, exculpate
disavow and apologize for your criminality.
>
Glazier stop being a Swine; become a Mensch

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#595432

Fromporaty350@gmail.com
Date2016-09-01 00:37 -0700
Message-ID<fe9da400-4b01-4360-9b0f-b1971c4edb80@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595062
בתאריך יום שני, 29 באוגוסט 2016 בשעה 18:12:16 UTC+3, מאת Michael Moroney:
> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> kooked:
> 
> >Antimatter just has the "up"
> >electron installed in the "down" slot.
> >Everything is half and half
> 
> No, John. You do not get to redefine what antimatter is.
> 
> Antimatter is defined as something where all the properties that can be
> opposite _are_ the opposite.  In particular, things like charge. For
> example, an anti-electron (positron) has a + charge, the opposite of
> the electron. An antiproton has a negative charge, etc.
> 
> A spin-up vs. spin-down electron just has ONE property opposite.
> Things like charge etc. remain the same, so a spin-down electron
> is NOT the antimatter version of a spin-up electron.

===========================
do you know what is worse than an ignorant parrot ??

it is as he above
PLUS   assertive pose !!
======================
PARTICLES have a specific geometric  3 d STRUCTURE !!
ITI SI NOT A f  EN FORMULA
NOR EMPTY WORDS INVENSIONS 

SEE GOOGLE
'the Y Porat model - an abstract '
so for instance 
you have a 3D STRUCTURE THAT HAS DIFFERENT **SUB PARTICLES
DIRECTION *
and you turn it
up side down 
then even the sub particles 
get opposite directions spins etc 

can a F en   flat paper parrot] mumbler 
understands what is said just above ??
no way !!!
even if he will  live another 200 years !!

Y.Porat
================================
===========================

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#595497

FromnoTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-01 11:18 -0700
Message-ID<10ea4195-d182-4ce3-8e3d-6bcf45af1614@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595432
your problem is often seen on Usenet,
that of one who was born into an e.s.l family, but
ne'er achieved literacy in either language ... so,
your move, if you can do else than "assertively pose an ideal

> > Things like charge etc. remain the same, so a spin-down electron
> > is NOT the antimatter version of a spin-up electron.
> 
> ===========================
> do you know what is worse than an ignorant parrot ??
> 
> it is as he above
> PLUS   assertive pose !!
> ======================
> PARTICLES have a specific geometric  3 d STRUCTURE !!
> ITI SI NOT A f  EN FORMULA
> NOR EMPTY WORDS INVENSIONS 
> 
> SEE GOOGLE
> 'the Y Porat model - an abstract '
> so for instance 
> you have a 3D STRUCTURE THAT HAS DIFFERENT **SUB PARTICLES
> DIRECTION *
> and you turn it
> up side down 
> then even the sub particles 
> get opposite directions spins etc

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#595074

From"reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-29 10:39 -0700
Message-ID<ca0118b7-386f-40dc-8e17-6ad9cde2668f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595054
On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 7:07:59 AM UTC-7, john wrote:
> Antimatter just has the "up"
> electron installed in the "down" slot.
> Everything is half and half

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