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Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire!

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  Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-02 13:59 -0700
    Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 05:05 -0700
      Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 06:42 -0700
        Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:57 -0700
          Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 15:56 -0700
            Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-05 01:50 +0000
              Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 06:12 -0700
                Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-05 13:49 +0000
                  Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 08:52 -0500
    DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <burkesgurlz@t-girls.com> - 2016-07-03 09:05 -0700
      DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 13:48 -0700
        Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-03 14:07 -0700
          Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 14:36 -0700
            Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 20:16 -0700
              Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 16:51 -0500
                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-07 12:47 -0700
                  Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 17:29 -0700
                  Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 20:13 -0700
                    Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 04:12 +0000
                      Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 06:59 -0700
                        Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 09:50 -0500
                        Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 14:50 +0000
                          Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 10:02 -0500
                            Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 10:35 -0700
                              Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 13:13 -0500
                                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 11:57 -0700
                                  Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 14:28 -0500
                                  Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 20:27 +0000
                                  Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 15:33 -0500
                                    Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 15:42 -0500
                                      Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 16:27 -0700
                                        Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:17 -0500
                                          Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 07:22 -0700
                                            Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 10:35 -0700
                                              Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 16:49 -0700
                                              Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 16:52 -0700
                                                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 04:41 -0700
                                                  Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 04:55 -0700
                                                    Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:22 -0700
                                                      Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:39 -0700
                                                        Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 08:30 -0500
                                                          Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 07:02 -0700
                                                            Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 09:17 -0500
                                                              Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 07:44 -0700
                                                                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:03 -0500
                                                                  Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:25 -0700
                                                                    Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 12:31 -0500
                                                                      Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:56 -0700
                                                                        Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 11:40 -0700
                                                                          Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 13:48 -0500
                                                                            Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 13:55 -0700
                                                                              Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 16:36 -0500
                                                                                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 17:12 -0700
                                            Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-10 17:58 +0000
                                            Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 08:24 -0500
                                              Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:09 -0700
                                                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:48 -0700
                                                  Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:00 -0500
                                                    Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:12 -0700
                                                      Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:29 -0500
                                                        Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:21 -0700
                                                          Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:51 -0500
                                                Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:16 -0500
                            Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 20:39 +0000
        Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 03:42 +0000
          Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 17:50 +0000
          Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:05 -0700
            Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 13:35 -0500
          Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 06:48 -0700
          Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-07 20:23 -0500
      Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire" Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-03 14:06 -0700
    Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 16:27 -0700
      Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-07-08 21:41 -0700
      Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-09 12:52 -0700
        Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-09 21:19 +0000
      Re: Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire! ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-10 13:14 -0500

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#588884 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-12 08:30 -0500
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<nm2rcq$1mkk$6@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#588807
On 7/11/2016 2:39 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> YOU, by the way, are the one shooting
> all the messengers.
> Pons. Bushman. Lindauer. ALL of them
> that are blowing whistles are
> lying hoaxers (the bastards).

No one needs to shoot them if they've already shot themselves.


>
> I don't see you changing your mind
> even if Juno sees a big bad old rock
> crust on Jupiter.
>

Oh, I would indeed, John. But let's see what data says, shall we? Then 
we'll see who changes a mind. Nothing like just keeping track of 
predictions and outcomes, is there?

But let's talk about Pons, Bushman, Lindauer, Rossi, Santilli, and other 
favorites of yours.

Let's call all these people "iconoclasts" -- that is, it is a fact that 
they are making claims that are counter to conventional thought. This is 
fact without regard to motive. Now let's look at motives for iconoclasm. 
There are three:
1. The iconoclast really is privy to new knowledge and is sharing the 
discovery.
2. The iconoclast is a fraud, having fabricated the claims being shared.
3. The iconoclast is deluded, having been fooled by a fraud but still 
earnestly believing it, and sharing the fraudulent claim.

Now then, John, given these three possibilities, when you see an 
iconoclastic claim, how would you know which of these three cases 
applies? What would be your tool to determine that?

Or do you even care? Maybe all that matters to you is the iconoclastic 
claim, and you don't even CARE whether it's true, or it's a fraud, or 
it's a delusion.

Give me an honest answer to my question about how you would know.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#588885 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-12 07:02 -0700
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<34a56090-3569-4de7-8a31-d144853d4bd5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#588884
Odd
Lindauer was arrested under the Patriot Act.
What for? Reporting that Iraq knew
nothing about plane hijacking and wanted peace.
Santili  made a movie of an autopsy. I have
cut up dead bodies. Of people. In
anatomy class. There is NO WAY that
was done with "joints from the butcher and
strawberry jam". He was LAUGHING at those
who forced him to recant. YOU believe 
that- all I can say is; you will believe ANYTHING 
that you are told (by books/authorities).
So.
Even if they see a crust on Jupiter,
and Gallileo saw atmosphere much thicker
and half the Helium, you'll 
probably deduce Helium ice or something.
You'll never change your mind

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#588891 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-12 09:17 -0500
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<nm2u6g$1s1d$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#588885
On 7/12/2016 9:02 AM, john wrote:
> Odd

I notice you did not answer my questions, John. Why are you afraid to 
simply answer the question about how you can tell the difference between 
an iconoclast:
1. Telling the truth
2. Conducing a fraud
3. Deluded by a fraud

> Lindauer was arrested under the Patriot Act.
> What for? Reporting that Iraq knew
> nothing about plane hijacking and wanted peace.

What the hell does that have to do with whether she was telling the 
truth or being delusional or conducting a hoax?

> Santili  made a movie of an autopsy. I have
> cut up dead bodies. Of people. In
> anatomy class. There is NO WAY that
> was done with "joints from the butcher and
> strawberry jam".

Well, so you're saying that you DO NOT BELIEVE Santilli when he said it 
was faked. But you DO BELIEVE his faked movie. Hmmmm. So is he a liar or 
is he not?

> He was LAUGHING at those
> who forced him to recant. YOU believe
> that- all I can say is; you will believe ANYTHING
> that you are told (by books/authorities).
> So.
> Even if they see a crust on Jupiter,

Well, you've predicted they WILL see a crust on Jupiter. So the question 
in my mind is, what will you do when no such thing is seen?

> and Gallileo saw atmosphere much thicker
> and half the Helium, you'll
> probably deduce Helium ice or something.
> You'll never change your mind
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#588896 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-12 07:44 -0700
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<aacf37a4-9ea0-4520-95f2-476328f7b928@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#588891
Odd
We will know what we are ALLOWED
to know. Whistleblowers will be
branded as crazy (your first choice),
and/or put in jail.
At least, that's what's been happening 

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#589228 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-14 10:03 -0500
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<nm89k4$1htp$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#588896
On 7/12/2016 9:44 AM, john wrote:
> Odd
> We will know what we are ALLOWED
> to know.

So you STILL don't know whether these iconoclasts are speaking the 
truth, or frauds, or deluded. You have no way of telling, and you freely 
admit that.

So you CHOOSE to believe that they are speaking the truth, even if they 
are deluded or defrauding you. Every single one of them.

> Whistleblowers will be
> branded as crazy (your first choice),
> and/or put in jail.
> At least, that's what's been happening
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589262 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-14 10:25 -0700
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<e1ab01b3-938f-45fb-857b-79a320644b74@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589228
Odd
Smoke
Fire

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#589263 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-14 12:31 -0500
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<nm8i98$1f7$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589262
On 7/14/2016 12:25 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> Smoke
> Fire
>

Remember the people who listened to the War of the Worlds radio 
broadcast and SWORE they smelled smoke and poison gas, John.

Was there really a Martian invasion because they believed they smelled 
smoke and poison gas? Was there really a fire?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589274 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-14 10:56 -0700
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<90fc2722-474d-41f7-aeef-7c610b933ef6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589263
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 1:31:25 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/14/2016 12:25 PM, john wrote:
> > Odd
> > Smoke
> > Fire
> 
> Remember the people who listened to the War of the Worlds radio 
> broadcast and SWORE they smelled smoke and poison gas, John.
> 
> Was there really a Martian invasion because they believed they smelled 
> smoke and poison gas? Was there really a fire?

They were from New Jersey, USA... their behaviour is self explanatory.
 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”

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#589277 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-14 11:40 -0700
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<aaebc6c2-ac59-4a08-9098-2b3147175d30@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589274
Odd
You are proof that you can lead a
horse to water, but
Odd will never change

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#589278 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-14 13:48 -0500
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<nm8mps$9ms$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589277
On 7/14/2016 1:40 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> You are proof that you can lead a
> horse to water, but
> Odd will never change
>

Well, John, you're wondering if I'd ever change to be more like you.
But I think it's already clear (isn't it?) that I'm not a big fan of the 
way you are. I think you make foolish and arbitrary choices, I think you 
are pathologically attracted to the fringe, I simply do not understand 
your terror of reading, and you blame big organizations for ills for 
which I believe the consumer is primarily responsible. You are rather 
paranoid, and you waste a ton of time in a newsgroup devoted to a field 
that you frankly despise.

So what would be the attraction to change?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589297 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-14 13:55 -0700
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<11f1eded-2139-4bbc-86bc-f66e9c55acf1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589278
Odd
"I simply do not understand 
your terror of reading, and you blame big organizations for ills for 
which I believe the consumer is primarily responsible. You are rather 
paranoid, and you waste a ton of time in a newsgroup devoted to a field 
that you frankly despise. "
Hmm.
Well, if you wish to believe in things
like "swarming gravitons",  subatomic particles 
with no structure,  and electrons that
never need or give off energy
because someone wrote it in a book,
that's your choice.
But I recommend thinking for yourself,
at some point.

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#589306 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-14 16:36 -0500
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<nm90jv$q1g$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#589297
On 7/14/2016 3:55 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> "I simply do not understand
> your terror of reading, and you blame big organizations for ills for
> which I believe the consumer is primarily responsible. You are rather
> paranoid, and you waste a ton of time in a newsgroup devoted to a field
> that you frankly despise. "
> Hmm.
> Well, if you wish to believe in things
> like "swarming gravitons",  subatomic particles
> with no structure,  and electrons that
> never need or give off energy
> because someone wrote it in a book,
> that's your choice.

I'll reiterate something I said earlier, John. In science, it isn't 
about choosing what to believe. It's about what DATA says is true, what 
EXPERIMENT says is true.
The reason to read from books is that you get familiar with the 
EXPERIMENTAL DATA that tells you what you should believe.

> But I recommend thinking for yourself,
> at some point.

I don't believe that thinking for yourself in the absence of data is 
useful scientifically. All that entails is CHOOSING what you want to 
believe in, and to hell with experimental data, and therefore to hell 
with science. Notice how you operate. Do you look at data about how 
subatomic particles behave? Do you read any books that describe that 
data? No. You just DECIDED to believe what you want to believe, that all 
things have structure, and you frankly don't care whether data supports 
a different idea or not. If the data doesn't agree with your cherished 
belief, then according to you the data isn't worth looking at.

So in this way, you will NEVER think like a scientist.

And you consider this a virtue.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#589496 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-15 17:12 -0700
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<ab020e6c-2f12-4385-b1fd-8466537007dc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#589306
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 5:36:05 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/14/2016 3:55 PM, john wrote:
> > Odd
> > "I simply do not understand
> > your terror of reading, and you blame big organizations for ills for
> > which I believe the consumer is primarily responsible. You are rather
> > paranoid, and you waste a ton of time in a newsgroup devoted to a field
> > that you frankly despise. "
> > Hmm.
> > Well, if you wish to believe in things
> > like "swarming gravitons",  subatomic particles
> > with no structure,  and electrons that
> > never need or give off energy
> > because someone wrote it in a book,
> > that's your choice.
> 
> I'll reiterate something I said earlier, John. In science, it isn't 
> about choosing what to believe. It's about what DATA says is true, what 
> EXPERIMENT says is true.

DATA is limited, finite, immeasurably incomplete. Data will always be
so, always has been, always is Is IS. Hardly independently verifiable
anymore, also. Got a CERN or LIGO lab in your toy making facilities?

> The reason to read from books is that you get familiar with the 
> EXPERIMENTAL DATA that tells you what you should believe.

Do read the books of science throughout history, all were wrong.

From Ptolemy, Archimedes, Euclid, Leibniz, Newton, Bohr, Einstein, ...

Motto of The Ignorant: Science and Scientists can do/say no wrong.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=can+do+no+wrong+my+baby+blue
Follow the music... "Baby Blue" by Badfinger.
 
> > But I recommend thinking for yourself,
> > at some point.

John, there's no chance of Odd making that leap ever. Listen to Odd:
 
> I don't believe that thinking for yourself in the absence of data is 
> useful scientifically. All that entails is CHOOSING what you want to 
> believe in, and to hell with experimental data, and therefore to hell 
> with science. Notice how you operate. Do you look at data about how 
> subatomic particles behave? Do you read any books that describe that 
> data? No. You just DECIDED to believe what you want to believe, that all 
> things have structure, and you frankly don't care whether data supports 
> a different idea or not. If the data doesn't agree with your cherished 
> belief, then according to you the data isn't worth looking at.
> 
> So in this way, you will NEVER think like a scientist.

Scientists are not BorgLike, a monolithic organization, nor set in OneStone types.

> And you consider this a virtue.

That you Odd don't consider it a virture, makes you truly odd.

> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Just because it's written, does not make it either true or truth. 
Just Because It's Written, Does Not Make It Either True Or Truth? 
JUST BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN, DOES NOT MAKE IT EITHER TRUE OR TRUTH! 

I'm not shouting, I'm ignoring Grammar. Minimizing it. Trivializing it.

Just because it's spoken, does not make it either true or truth. 
Just Because It's Spoken, Does Not Make It Either True Or Truth?! 
JUST BECAUSE IT'S SPOKEN, DOES NOT MAKE IT EITHER TRUE OR TRUTH!?

Not everyone wanting to discuss Physics needs to be a Physicist. Duh.

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”

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#588605 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-07-10 17:58 +0000
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<nlu2bc$vhc$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#588581
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>It's funny how a liar ALWAYS suspects others
>of the same

And you accuse Odd of being a liar.  Hmmmmm.

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#588753 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-11 08:24 -0500
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<nm06m8$1pck$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#588581
On 7/10/2016 9:22 AM, john wrote:
> Odd said
> "You confuse your common sense with logic. Not at all the same. "
> So which is it that you don't
> use- common sense or logic?

Common sense. I use logic. Common sense is a lot less reliable and so I 
don't rely on it.

>
> Boyd Bushman NEVER said that he saw
> an alien- he said that
> he was given a picture of them.

And it was shown that this picture that he claims is of an alien is NOT 
of an alien but of a toy.

So it's interesting that you acknowledge that his claims are without 
evidentiary substance, but you want to believe him ANYWAY.

> So- was it your "logic", or your "common sense",
> that leads you to discount his entire
> story because that picture was of
> a toy?
> LOTS of others have reported seeing these
> beings- is it your "logic" or your "common sense"
> that says they're ALL LIARS?

Logic says they are a combination of liars and deluded, yes.
Like Boyd Bushman, saying with all earnestness that the picture he's 
showing you is a picture of an alien. So is it not so hard to imagine 
that other people might get similarly fooled. Bushwacked, so to speak.

>
> It's funny how a liar ALWAYS suspects others
> of the same
>

This isn't a suspicion, John. The picture is KNOWN to be a picture of a 
toy. Not SUSPECTED to be a picture of a toy. KNOWN to be a picture of a toy.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#588755 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-11 07:09 -0700
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<d96cddbf-f4de-44ee-9d09-d4800b39b2b6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#588753
Odd
Are you retarded?
Bushman stated that he was given
a PICTURE, and TOLD it was
of an alien.
He was also given crystal shards that
provided electricity.
He was also given material that,
when interposed between a scale and
the ground, changed the weight read out.
All those things he WAS TOLD came from
alien ships that were recovered.

Show me where he says he, personally,
SAW the alien.
You are SO devious, Oddtard 

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#588757 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-11 07:48 -0700
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<fcce6744-7cf2-48f9-83ba-d1e608d50c3c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#588755
Haha.
What is that called when you're
still fighting, but in retreat?
Odd and company must now
vilify their own rats as they jump
ship one by one.
Who's next?
Hmm.
Must do another CIA deathbed confession 
search.
Funny thing- these "crazies" all
corroborate the main stories and time
frames!!
KOOKS COLLABORATE!!!!

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#588765 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-11 11:00 -0500
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<nm0fq6$90e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#588757
On 7/11/2016 9:48 AM, john wrote:
> Haha.
> What is that called when you're
> still fighting, but in retreat?
> Odd and company must now
> vilify their own rats as they jump
> ship one by one.

Vilify our own rats??

> Who's next?
> Hmm.
> Must do another CIA deathbed confession
> search.

Why? Do you think deathbed confessions are better than other testimonies?

> Funny thing- these "crazies" all
> corroborate the main stories and time
> frames!!
> KOOKS COLLABORATE!!!!
>

Yeah, isn't it amazing that all those people reported smelling poison 
gas at the SAME TIME there was a fictional radio broadcast about an 
alien invasion? Those kooks must be COLLABORATING!


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#588770 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

Fromjohn <johnsefton288@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-11 09:12 -0700
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<9bf07329-38f4-47cf-9856-e9f215cb25bf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#588765
Oddtard misfired
"
Exactly! So he never saw an alien, never had any direct contact with 
ANYTHING alien, and so his testimony is worthless hearsay. "

Except he said he powered a lab with
crystal shards and played with
AND TOOK  PICTURES of a weighing
scale being altered by interposing 
alien material.
And he was given alien artifacts
over a time span of 50 years,
during which time you think
he was going to work and doing what?
Pulling his pud?
SURE, Odd- he MUST have been lying,
even though he was dying-
what a 'tard you are, Odd

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#588772 — Re: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-11 11:29 -0500
SubjectRe: DOUBLE ASSHOLE TALKS ABOUT "Juno Spacecraft Faces Baptism by Fire"
Message-ID<nm0hhq$cti$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#588770
On 7/11/2016 11:12 AM, john wrote:
> Oddtard misfired
> "
> Exactly! So he never saw an alien, never had any direct contact with
> ANYTHING alien, and so his testimony is worthless hearsay. "
>
> Except he said he powered a lab with
> crystal shards and played with
> AND TOOK  PICTURES of a weighing
> scale being altered by interposing
> alien material.

Well that's what he SAID, but there wasn't anything to back up what he 
said, was there?
Just like there wasn't anything to back up his hearsay report of what he 
heard some pilot report about a landed alien.
No steps to reproduce, no way to verify.

So John, if some guy says that he's invented an antigravity device, and 
he shows a PICTURE he took of something floating in his garage, but if 
nobody can actually come and take a look at the device working, or if he 
says it vanished mysteriously and all he has left is this picture to 
prove it existed, do you believe the guy?

> And he was given alien artifacts
> over a time span of 50 years,
> during which time you think
> he was going to work and doing what?

Isn't it interesting that out of FIFTY YEARS of research, the only thing 
that he can produce in terms of evidence is pictures that he says were 
given to him and he never saw the original subjects himself, or pictures 
of experiments he said he ran or heard about being run. Nothing lasting, 
nothing reproducible. Does this sound like science to you?

> Pulling his pud?
> SURE, Odd- he MUST have been lying,
> even though he was dying-

Yup. Deathbed confessions contain lies just as often as other 
testimonies. So say courts, so say psychologists. But YOU know 
differently, don't you, John? You KNOW from your common sense that 
deathbed confessions are the truth.

> what a 'tard you are, Odd
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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