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| Started by | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-04-18 16:05 -0500 |
| Last post | 2016-04-22 16:51 +0000 |
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The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 16:05 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-18 21:21 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-18 22:32 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-18 15:57 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 21:07 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-04-19 13:05 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:28 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 15:59 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Boris Mohar <borism_void_@sympatico.ca> - 2016-04-19 06:53 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:34 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 07:01 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 13:43 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:49 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 23:10 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-04-20 03:15 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 08:05 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 06:15 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:27 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:44 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:40 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:47 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:57 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 08:08 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:41 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 10:14 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:52 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 14:22 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 22:16 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 08:55 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 12:14 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 10:11 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-20 15:40 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 10:07 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-20 13:25 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 02:40 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 11:44 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 04:59 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 11:32 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:35 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 12:56 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 10:41 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-21 20:30 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:47 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:20 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:25 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:18 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:26 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:35 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 10:33 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 13:47 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:26 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:57 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 12:02 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 14:18 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 19:39 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 14:55 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:30 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 08:47 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 18:43 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 13:54 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-19 23:21 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 08:08 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-19 22:21 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 15:31 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 07:57 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-19 07:36 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:07 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-21 20:32 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 04:34 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:09 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 06:28 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:32 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:33 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:30 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:28 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 06:41 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:50 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:04 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:09 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:15 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 12:36 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:22 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 14:43 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:20 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:42 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:47 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:25 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:27 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:39 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 17:00 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:12 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 17:22 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:32 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:54 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:57 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:27 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:41 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 15:00 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:05 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 13:51 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 12:40 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:46 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:22 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 21:13 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 14:08 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-24 23:55 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 21:27 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-25 01:56 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:58 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:55 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:50 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 04:58 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:02 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:12 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 05:39 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 14:46 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 13:48 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 23:39 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 14:11 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 16:58 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:39 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 04:44 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 07:01 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 11:52 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 21:37 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-22 14:53 -0400
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 13:52 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-25 08:56 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-25 16:51 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-25 20:24 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-26 14:41 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 10:09 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 07:29 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 09:43 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 20:50 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 10:05 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-30 06:31 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:42 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:38 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-04 05:26 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 10:55 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-28 19:39 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 10:35 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-29 08:58 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-30 06:37 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:43 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:38 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-30 06:40 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 08:44 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 07:02 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 12:39 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 13:15 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-03 14:32 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 05:35 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-04 05:30 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 12:24 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 11:27 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 13:31 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:12 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 07:48 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-27 15:25 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:28 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 19:44 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-27 07:21 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-27 14:41 +0000
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:29 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-27 10:41 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:22 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-22 07:34 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:42 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:14 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 09:50 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 08:06 -0700
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 10:16 -0500
Re: The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-22 16:51 +0000
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 10:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nf5jj2$121e$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #571538 |
On 4/19/2016 8:34 AM, john wrote: > There are THREE dimensions. The boundary of anything with N dimensions has N-1 dimensions. So for example, a cube is a 3-D object. Its boundary are the six planes that make its faces. That boundary is a 2-D object. Each face of the cube has a boundary, which is the square composed of four line segments. That boundary is a 1-D object. The way you can tell how many dimensions an object has is this. Take any point on the object. In how many perpendicular directions can you go and still stay inside the object? Let's take the cube and say that the perpendicular directions are up/down, left/right, forward/backward. For a point in the cube, you can go up or down, and you can go left or right, and you can go forward or backward. It has 3 dimensions. For a point on the face of the cube (say the top face), you can go left or right, and you can go forward or backward, but you can't go up or down and stay on the face. It has 2 dimensions. For a point on the edge of a cube (say the top left edge), you can go forward or backward, but you can't go up or down and stay on the edge, and you can't go left or right and stay on the edge. It has 1 dimension. > > Just like with logarithmic paper, > reality can be constructed at different > scales. > And is > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-21 20:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f7eda46d-a3f5-43a8-9ec7-f8f579a655f3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #571556 |
On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 11:41:27 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 4/19/2016 8:34 AM, john wrote: > > There are THREE dimensions. > > The boundary of anything with N dimensions has N-1 dimensions. Assertion is not a valid argument. There are three dimensions of space and there is no N dimensions. > > So for example, a cube is a 3-D object. Its boundary are the six planes > that make its faces. That boundary is a 2-D object. > > Each face of the cube has a boundary, which is the square composed of > four line segments. That boundary is a 1-D object. > > The way you can tell how many dimensions an object has is this. Take any > point on the object. In how many perpendicular directions can you go and > still stay inside the object? > > Let's take the cube and say that the perpendicular directions are > up/down, left/right, forward/backward. > > For a point in the cube, you can go up or down, and you can go left or > right, and you can go forward or backward. It has 3 dimensions. > > For a point on the face of the cube (say the top face), you can go left > or right, and you can go forward or backward, but you can't go up or > down and stay on the face. It has 2 dimensions. > > For a point on the edge of a cube (say the top left edge), you can go > forward or backward, but you can't go up or down and stay on the edge, > and you can't go left or right and stay on the edge. It has 1 dimension. > > > > > Just like with logarithmic paper, > > reality can be constructed at different > > scales. > > And is > > > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 07:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nfd6gc$ps5$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #572285 |
On 4/21/2016 10:30 PM, kenseto wrote: > On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 11:41:27 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 4/19/2016 8:34 AM, john wrote: >>> There are THREE dimensions. >> >> The boundary of anything with N dimensions has N-1 dimensions. > > Assertion is not a valid argument. There are three dimensions of space and there is no N dimensions. Assertion is not a valid argument, Ken. Where is your proof that there are three dimensions of space? >> >> So for example, a cube is a 3-D object. Its boundary are the six planes >> that make its faces. That boundary is a 2-D object. >> >> Each face of the cube has a boundary, which is the square composed of >> four line segments. That boundary is a 1-D object. >> >> The way you can tell how many dimensions an object has is this. Take any >> point on the object. In how many perpendicular directions can you go and >> still stay inside the object? >> >> Let's take the cube and say that the perpendicular directions are >> up/down, left/right, forward/backward. >> >> For a point in the cube, you can go up or down, and you can go left or >> right, and you can go forward or backward. It has 3 dimensions. >> >> For a point on the face of the cube (say the top face), you can go left >> or right, and you can go forward or backward, but you can't go up or >> down and stay on the face. It has 2 dimensions. >> >> For a point on the edge of a cube (say the top left edge), you can go >> forward or backward, but you can't go up or down and stay on the edge, >> and you can't go left or right and stay on the edge. It has 1 dimension. >> >>> >>> Just like with logarithmic paper, >>> reality can be constructed at different >>> scales. >>> And is >>> >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 07:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <44da46a4-dbf2-44b2-b420-309f91ddfecb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #572337 |
On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 8:47:13 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 4/21/2016 10:30 PM, kenseto wrote: > > On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 11:41:27 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> On 4/19/2016 8:34 AM, john wrote: > >>> There are THREE dimensions. > >> > >> The boundary of anything with N dimensions has N-1 dimensions. > > > > Assertion is not a valid argument. There are three dimensions of space and there is no N dimensions. > > Assertion is not a valid argument, Ken. Where is your proof that there > are three dimensions of space? Every object we see is imbedded in 3D space. Where is your proof that there are more than 3D space? > > >> > >> So for example, a cube is a 3-D object. Its boundary are the six planes > >> that make its faces. That boundary is a 2-D object. > >> > >> Each face of the cube has a boundary, which is the square composed of > >> four line segments. That boundary is a 1-D object. > >> > >> The way you can tell how many dimensions an object has is this. Take any > >> point on the object. In how many perpendicular directions can you go and > >> still stay inside the object? > >> > >> Let's take the cube and say that the perpendicular directions are > >> up/down, left/right, forward/backward. > >> > >> For a point in the cube, you can go up or down, and you can go left or > >> right, and you can go forward or backward. It has 3 dimensions. > >> > >> For a point on the face of the cube (say the top face), you can go left > >> or right, and you can go forward or backward, but you can't go up or > >> down and stay on the face. It has 2 dimensions. > >> > >> For a point on the edge of a cube (say the top left edge), you can go > >> forward or backward, but you can't go up or down and stay on the edge, > >> and you can't go left or right and stay on the edge. It has 1 dimension. > >> > >>> > >>> Just like with logarithmic paper, > >>> reality can be constructed at different > >>> scales. > >>> And is > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 09:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nfdc9g$1499$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #572367 |
On 4/22/2016 9:20 AM, kenseto wrote: > On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 8:47:13 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 4/21/2016 10:30 PM, kenseto wrote: >>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 11:41:27 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 4/19/2016 8:34 AM, john wrote: >>>>> There are THREE dimensions. >>>> >>>> The boundary of anything with N dimensions has N-1 dimensions. >>> >>> Assertion is not a valid argument. There are three dimensions of space and there is no N dimensions. >> >> Assertion is not a valid argument, Ken. Where is your proof that there >> are three dimensions of space? > > Every object we see is imbedded in 3D space. Where is your proof that there are more than 3D space? For every object you see, you are AWARE of 3 dimensions. But on the other hand, you are not aware of light that is less than 400 nanometers or more than 800 nanometers in wavelength. Your lack of AWARENESS of them doesn't make them nonexistent. You made a claim that there are three and ONLY three dimensions, based on what you are AWARE of. What is your proof that there are only three? You made the assertion. Assertion is not a valid argument. Where is your proof? >> >>>> >>>> So for example, a cube is a 3-D object. Its boundary are the six planes >>>> that make its faces. That boundary is a 2-D object. >>>> >>>> Each face of the cube has a boundary, which is the square composed of >>>> four line segments. That boundary is a 1-D object. >>>> >>>> The way you can tell how many dimensions an object has is this. Take any >>>> point on the object. In how many perpendicular directions can you go and >>>> still stay inside the object? >>>> >>>> Let's take the cube and say that the perpendicular directions are >>>> up/down, left/right, forward/backward. >>>> >>>> For a point in the cube, you can go up or down, and you can go left or >>>> right, and you can go forward or backward. It has 3 dimensions. >>>> >>>> For a point on the face of the cube (say the top face), you can go left >>>> or right, and you can go forward or backward, but you can't go up or >>>> down and stay on the face. It has 2 dimensions. >>>> >>>> For a point on the edge of a cube (say the top left edge), you can go >>>> forward or backward, but you can't go up or down and stay on the edge, >>>> and you can't go left or right and stay on the edge. It has 1 dimension. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just like with logarithmic paper, >>>>> reality can be constructed at different >>>>> scales. >>>>> And is >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >>> >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 08:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <GKydnaD_zZ47uYfKnZ2dnUU7-a3NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #572285 |
On 4/21/16 10:30 PM, kenseto wrote: > There are three dimensions of space and there is no N dimensions Oh No, Seto, you don't even know algebraic conventions. -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 07:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fece22d5-7f9d-4b4c-afe5-80b463aaa885@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #572347 |
On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 9:18:33 AM UTC-4, Sam Wormley wrote: > On 4/21/16 10:30 PM, kenseto wrote: > > There are three dimensions of space and there is no N dimensions > > Oh No, Seto, you don't even know algebraic conventions. ROTFLOL.....pot kettle black. > > -- > > sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated > to the discussion of physics, news from the physics > community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 09:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <GKydndj_zZ4Dq4fKnZ2dnUU7-a2dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #572372 |
On 4/22/16 9:26 AM, kenseto wrote: > On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 9:18:33 AM UTC-4, Sam Wormley wrote: >> On 4/21/16 10:30 PM, kenseto wrote: >>> There are three dimensions of space and there is no N dimensions >> >> Oh No, Seto, you don't even know algebraic conventions. > > ROTFLOL.....pot kettle black. > Hey Seto, do you know what "pot kettle black" means? -- sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of physics, news from the physics community, and physics-related social issues.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 10:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nf5j3h$v3u$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #571532 |
On 4/19/2016 5:53 AM, Boris Mohar wrote: > On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:05:24 -0500, Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again > > How can a dimension itself have a size? > The surface of a cylinder has two dimensions. One of them obviously is limited -- it's called the circumference. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <nobodyxx@gmail> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 13:47 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <57166f4d$0$53745$c3e8da3$3304c218@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #571554 |
On 04/19/2016 11:33 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 4/19/2016 5:53 AM, Boris Mohar wrote: >> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:05:24 -0500, Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again >> >> How can a dimension itself have a size? >> > > The surface of a cylinder has two dimensions. One of them obviously is > limited -- it's called the circumference. What is the limit of the values of your "circumference" fantasy, Odd? Boris wins. You lose.
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 11:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d8141056-25c6-4c51-a82a-7b5486ac47e4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #571597 |
Odd seems to think a curved surface has 2 dimensions
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 13:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nf5v3k$1ndj$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #571605 |
On 4/19/2016 1:26 PM, john wrote: > Odd seems to think a curved surface > has 2 dimensions > Yes, it does, by the definition of dimensions I just gave you. The number of dimensions of an object is determined by starting at a point in the object and noting how many perpendicular directions you can go and still stay within the object. Please go back and read that again. Pay attention to the *surface* of a cube and why that is a 2D object. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 12:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8ffe596a-d31b-4beb-a697-969754b4607c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #571624 |
Your definition of dimensions is FU
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 14:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nf609d$1pda$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #571627 |
On 4/19/2016 2:02 PM, john wrote: > Your definition of dimensions is FU > Well, here's the deal about that, John. It's not my definition. It's the definition of mathematicians and physicists. They're the ones that literally defined what the word means. Now, maybe it's the case that this is not what YOU think of when you think of dimensions. Maybe you have your own private understanding of what that word means that isn't consistent with the one that the definers actually put together. In that case, who's the fucked up one? Maybe to you, a 2D think has to be FLAT, so that a curved 2D surface becomes a contradiction in terms. But did it occur to you, John, that if a lot of people use the phrase "curved 2D surface" that it might actually MEAN SOMETHING that isn't self-contradictory? Did it ever occur to you that your concept of 2D being necessarily FLAT was just a mistake on your part? Has it EVER occurred to you that a lot of your concepts are mistakes? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 19:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nf61gn$pru$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #571605 |
john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: >Odd seems to think a curved surface >has 2 dimensions A surface HAS two dimensions. A surface may EXIST in 3 or more dimensions, esp. if it is curved. Take Odd's cube example and apply it to a sphere. Inside a sphere you can go in 3 perpendicular directions. A sphere is 3d. On its surface you can go in only 2 perpendicular directions. But unlike the cube, you can't define the two directions as being 2 of (x,y,z), except for certain points. The two directions will involve all 3 of (x,y,z) elsewhere. It is because the two dimensional surface is curved in three dimensions.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 14:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nf62em$1t7e$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #571640 |
On 4/19/2016 2:39 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes: > >> Odd seems to think a curved surface >> has 2 dimensions > > A surface HAS two dimensions. > > A surface may EXIST in 3 or more dimensions, esp. if it is curved. > > Take Odd's cube example and apply it to a sphere. > > Inside a sphere you can go in 3 perpendicular directions. A sphere is 3d. > On its surface you can go in only 2 perpendicular directions. But unlike > the cube, you can't define the two directions as being 2 of (x,y,z), > except for certain points. The two directions will involve all 3 of > (x,y,z) elsewhere. It is because the two dimensional surface is curved in > three dimensions. > If you'd stick with (x,y,z) you'd be making the mistake of asserting that all 2D objects have to be FLAT, just because (x,y) surfaces (or (y,z) or (z,x) surfaces) happen to be flat planes. But let's invite John to do something AutoCADish and not use (x,y,z) but instead use (r,theta,phi) coordinates. For every point, these three dimensions specify perpendicular directions, so satisfy what I described. But now notice that the surface of a sphere is clearly 2D because from any point on the surface, you can only go in the theta direction or the phi direction and still stay on the surface. You can't go in the r-direction and still stay on the surface. Hence the surface is 2D. The fact that the surface is curved is IRRELEVANT to it being 2D. John seems to think that 2D necessarily means FLAT. Where he got that silly idea, I have no idea -- unless it just seemed to make sense to him so he took it as true. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 13:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <34c1398c-c220-4c77-908d-1f561e4a206e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #571646 |
Odd A 2D surface exists only in your mind, bud
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-21 08:47 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nfalks$t16$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #571668 |
On 4/19/2016 3:30 PM, john wrote: > Odd > A 2D surface exists only in your mind, bud > It's the boundary of a 3D object, John. You like to point to 3D things, and you say all real things have boundaries and shapes. So get consistent within your own head. Do boundaries of 3D objects exist or not? If you're not sure what a boundary is, I'll give you a concrete definition. For any 3D object, a point on the boundary is recognized that there are three other kinds of points as nearby as you like: a) points on the inside of the 3D object, b) points on the outside of the 3D object, and c) other points on the boundary. Now, tell me that boundaries don't really exist. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-22 18:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a51631f9-fd18-4d45-9274-91d891f9e165@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #571668 |
On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 1:30:35 PM UTC-7, john wrote: > Odd > A 2D surface exists only in your mind, bud SU^3 <-> SU^N (hologram) There's your dimensions, and all the paths, for parallel transport, and the path integral, in space. That's "symmetric unitarity", and SUSY also so follows. No, string theory, it's 4-D space-time, the three for each are just the two for each other, it's (1+2) * (1+2) * (1+2) that has (1) X (1) X (1) as remain. String theory's 3*3*3 +1 for time and +1 for perspective for "ten dimensions" or "eleven" is just 3 space + 1 time, and some coordinate spaces to maintain the error resultants of usually the transforms. "Twenty-six" is just that again and a few over. Instead it's error-free transforms in space-time (Minkowskian), with vector and tensor analysis of absolute space, and time. That's e_1, e_2, e_3, the orthonormal vector basis of space of space-time, because distance is a quantity. So, for what this experiment didn't show (non-absolute space, time), what it didn't falsify was "absolute space-time".
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-04-19 13:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nf5utu$1n5c$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #571597 |
On 4/19/2016 12:47 PM, benj wrote: > On 04/19/2016 11:33 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 4/19/2016 5:53 AM, Boris Mohar wrote: >>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:05:24 -0500, Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The search for hidden dimensions comes up empty again >>> >>> How can a dimension itself have a size? >>> >> >> The surface of a cylinder has two dimensions. One of them obviously is >> limited -- it's called the circumference. > > What is the limit of the values of your "circumference" > fantasy, Odd? Boris wins. You lose. > > For a cylinder, it depends on the cylinder. The surface of a wire has a different circumference than the surface of an oil drum. For the conjectured hidden but curled-up spatial dimensions, see Randall and Sundrum http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/9905221 -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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