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Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No?

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  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-13 08:18 -0500
    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-13 16:37 +0000
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-13 14:35 -0500
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:37 -0700
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-13 20:33 +0000
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-04-13 16:02 -0500
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-04-14 05:03 -0700
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-04-14 08:38 -0500
                  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-14 11:35 -0500
                    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-14 23:09 +0000
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-14 11:33 -0500
                Re: (Christian) Insanity has benefits. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-16 04:52 -0400
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-14 11:32 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-14 23:13 +0000
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-14 11:29 -0500
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-14 23:15 +0000
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-13 20:30 +0000
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-14 11:38 -0500
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-14 23:20 +0000

#570134 — Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No?

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-04-13 08:18 -0500
SubjectRe: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No?
Message-ID<9ehsgbp1a3b2d8eu282bkabfvbhqvq6g5f@4ax.com>
On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:25:30 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:20:29 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:51:50 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:19:24 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:13:35 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:56:49 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:58:32 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:48:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:36:23 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:04:43 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:27:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Science is on the verge of almost being able to prove the
>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Your stupid assertions are NOT evidence.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You can't hide from the creation of the universe.  All you can
>>>>>>>>>> do is suggest alternatives to the method God used in creation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That would be the supposed creation for which you have no
>>>>>>>>>evidence.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We're here, aren't we.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Due to evolution, not a supposed creation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If there was nothing, how could there be evolution?
>>>>>
>>>>>Who said that there was nothing, liar?
>>>> 
>>>> All the astrophysicists of the world.
>>>
>>>Cite one who said there was nothing, liar earl.
>> 
>> They all do. 
>
>No cite, your unevidenced assertions are rejected.

Expansion of the universe required a starting point.  The two options are:
1.  God willed the starting point into existence and it expanded.
2.  The point always existed, but how?  And if it always existed, why did it
suddenly start to expand when it did and not before or later?

Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.

>> You just lack the scientific knowledge to understand.
>Your lack of scientific understanding is well known, ball-on-a-string boi.

Show me the rotation vectors on the ball.

>>>> You're still between a rock and a rock.
>>>That would be the rock from under which you crawled.
>>>> All they can debate is how God did it as his will.
>> 
>>>No genuine astrophysicist claims your supposed god did anything, liar
>>>earl.
 
>> Your problem is to grapple with why they think that God did it.
>More unevideced assertions that can safely be ignored.

Ignore truth all you wish.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#570170

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-04-13 16:37 +0000
Message-ID<nelsk7$8hj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#570134
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:25:30 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:20:29 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:51:50 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:19:24 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:13:35 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:56:49 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:58:32 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:48:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:36:23 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:04:43 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:27:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science is on the verge of almost being able to prove the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Your stupid assertions are NOT evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> You can't hide from the creation of the universe.  All you can
>>>>>>>>>>> do is suggest alternatives to the method God used in creation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That would be the supposed creation for which you have no
>>>>>>>>>>evidence.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We're here, aren't we.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Due to evolution, not a supposed creation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If there was nothing, how could there be evolution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Who said that there was nothing, liar?
>>>>> 
>>>>> All the astrophysicists of the world.
>>>>
>>>>Cite one who said there was nothing, liar earl.
>>> 
>>> They all do.
>>
>>No cite, your unevidenced assertions are rejected.
> 
> Expansion of the universe required a starting point.  The two options
> are: 1.  God willed the starting point into existence and it expanded.
> 2.  The point always existed, but how?  

If your supposed god always existed, then why not the the universe?

> And if it always existed, why
> did it suddenly start to expand when it did and not before or later?

And if your supposed god always existed, then why did it decide to create 
the universe when it did and not before or later?
 
> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.

That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
 
>>> You just lack the scientific knowledge to understand.
>>Your lack of scientific understanding is well known, ball-on-a-string
>>boi.
> 
> Show me the rotation vectors on the ball.
> 
>>>>> You're still between a rock and a rock.
>>>>That would be the rock from under which you crawled.
>>>>> All they can debate is how God did it as his will.
>>> 
>>>>No genuine astrophysicist claims your supposed god did anything, liar
>>>>earl.
>  
>>> Your problem is to grapple with why they think that God did it.
>>More unevidenced assertions that can safely be ignored.
> 
> Ignore truth all you wish.

When you get round to presenting the truth, I won't ignore it, liar earl.

> *****
> "Telling lies is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#570225

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-04-13 14:35 -0500
Message-ID<hj7tgb1voqt9k6chpun2sk583lm95t9hui@4ax.com>
In reply to#570170
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:25:30 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:20:29 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:51:50 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:19:24 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:13:35 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:56:49 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:58:32 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:48:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:36:23 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:04:43 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:27:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science is on the verge of almost being able to prove the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your stupid assertions are NOT evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't hide from the creation of the universe.  All you can
>>>>>>>>>>>> do is suggest alternatives to the method God used in creation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That would be the supposed creation for which you have no
>>>>>>>>>>>evidence.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We're here, aren't we.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Due to evolution, not a supposed creation.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If there was nothing, how could there be evolution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Who said that there was nothing, liar?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All the astrophysicists of the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cite one who said there was nothing, liar earl.
>>>> 
>>>> They all do.
>>>
>>>No cite, your unevidenced assertions are rejected.
>> 
>> Expansion of the universe required a starting point.  The two options
>> are: 1.  God willed the starting point into existence and it expanded.
>> 2.  The point always existed, but how?  
>
>If your supposed god always existed, then why not the the universe?

God is neither material nor energy.  But, then again, no man can address the
origin of God.  It is not for us to know.  But we can compute the beginning of
all things not God.

>> And if it always existed, why
>> did it suddenly start to expand when it did and not before or later?

>And if your supposed god always existed, then why did it decide to create 
>the universe when it did and not before or later?

We don't know.

>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.

Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you are afraid to
admit it is not my problem
 
>>>> You just lack the scientific knowledge to understand.
>>>Your lack of scientific understanding is well known, ball-on-a-string
>>>boi.
>> 
>> Show me the rotation vectors on the ball.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#570228

FromMattB <trdell12345@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-13 12:37 -0700
Message-ID<iv7tgbhk1stfe99492h84e3k84f3aoprhk@4ax.com>
In reply to#570225
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:25:30 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:20:29 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:51:50 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:19:24 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:13:35 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:56:49 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:58:32 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:48:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:36:23 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:04:43 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:27:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science is on the verge of almost being able to prove the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your stupid assertions are NOT evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't hide from the creation of the universe.  All you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do is suggest alternatives to the method God used in creation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That would be the supposed creation for which you have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We're here, aren't we.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Due to evolution, not a supposed creation.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If there was nothing, how could there be evolution?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Who said that there was nothing, liar?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All the astrophysicists of the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cite one who said there was nothing, liar earl.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They all do.
>>>>
>>>>No cite, your unevidenced assertions are rejected.
>>> 
>>> Expansion of the universe required a starting point.  The two options
>>> are: 1.  God willed the starting point into existence and it expanded.
>>> 2.  The point always existed, but how?  
>>
>>If your supposed god always existed, then why not the the universe?
>
>God is neither material nor energy.  But, then again, no man can address the
>origin of God.  It is not for us to know.  But we can compute the beginning of
>all things not God.
>
>>> And if it always existed, why
>>> did it suddenly start to expand when it did and not before or later?
>
>>And if your supposed god always existed, then why did it decide to create 
>>the universe when it did and not before or later?
>
>We don't know.
>
>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>
>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you are afraid to
>admit it is not my problem

Can you supply this evidence?  


> 
>>>>> You just lack the scientific knowledge to understand.
>>>>Your lack of scientific understanding is well known, ball-on-a-string
>>>>boi.
>>> 
>>> Show me the rotation vectors on the ball.
>
>the dukester, American-American
>
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****

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#570259

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-04-13 20:33 +0000
Message-ID<nemaeo$100n$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#570228
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:37:50 -0700, MattB wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:

<snip>

>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>>
>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>>
>>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you are
>>afraid to admit it is not my problem
> 
> Can you supply this evidence?

No he can't. All he has are stupid unevidenced beliefs.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#570275

FromChristopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
Date2016-04-13 16:02 -0500
Message-ID<5dctgbt9qg8ejgcfbt8iqqpm9epjh3j3ci@4ax.com>
In reply to#570259
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:33:28 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:37:50 -0700, MattB wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>>>
>>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>>>
>>>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you are
>>>afraid to admit it is not my problem
>
Does the proven serially lying hypocrite imagine the commandment about
not bearing false witness, doesn't apply to him?

It's a good thing the hell the moron threatens us with, is a figment
of his deluded imagination.

If he really were the good Christian he imagines he  is, he would be
terrified of going there himself, and this fear would prevent his
lying about and to us,
 
>> Can you supply this evidence?

If the proven serial liar had any, he would have provided it.

>No he can't. All he has are stupid unevidenced beliefs.

Religion has made him even more mentally ill than when he returned to
it after whatever he did that he was so ashamed of that he went back
to it for "forgiveness" -  instead of asking those to whom he did it.

His church is the last place he should have gone to for the therapy
and counseling he obviously needed.

Look what it's turned him into.

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#570391

FromJeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com>
Date2016-04-14 05:03 -0700
Message-ID<hlwdjsd2-198F1D.05032114042016@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#570275
In article <5dctgbt9qg8ejgcfbt8iqqpm9epjh3j3ci@4ax.com>,
 Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:33:28 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:37:50 -0700, MattB wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
> >>>>
> >>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
> >>>
> >>>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you are
> >>>afraid to admit it is not my problem
> >
> Does the proven serially lying hypocrite imagine the commandment about
> not bearing false witness, doesn't apply to him?
> 
> It's a good thing the hell the moron threatens us with, is a figment
> of his deluded imagination.
> 
> If he really were the good Christian he imagines he  is, he would be
> terrified of going there himself, and this fear would prevent his
> lying about and to us,


He thinks narking us out will gain him some slack. Poor deluded fool 
can't even be honest to himself.

-- 

JD

"If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to 
your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake 
the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14

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#570400

FromChristopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
Date2016-04-14 08:38 -0500
Message-ID<297vgbtll7j7e3ldo5figl3289if3vshd3@4ax.com>
In reply to#570391
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 05:03:21 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>In article <5dctgbt9qg8ejgcfbt8iqqpm9epjh3j3ci@4ax.com>,
> Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:33:28 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:37:50 -0700, MattB wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>> >>>
>> >>>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you are
>> >>>afraid to admit it is not my problem
>> >
>> Does the proven serially lying hypocrite imagine the commandment about
>> not bearing false witness, doesn't apply to him?
>> 
>> It's a good thing the hell the moron threatens us with, is a figment
>> of his deluded imagination.
>> 
>> If he really were the good Christian he imagines he  is, he would be
>> terrified of going there himself, and this fear would prevent his
>> lying about and to us,
>
>
>He thinks narking us out will gain him some slack. Poor deluded fool 
>can't even be honest to himself.

Is he capable of thinking?

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#570443

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-04-14 11:35 -0500
Message-ID<sjhvgbhsbhano9hdpan7jpjcrukrjhbntt@4ax.com>
In reply to#570400
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:38:04 -0500, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 05:03:21 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
><hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <5dctgbt9qg8ejgcfbt8iqqpm9epjh3j3ci@4ax.com>,
>> Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:33:28 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:37:50 -0700, MattB wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>> >
>>> ><snip>
>>> >
>>> >>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you are
>>> >>>afraid to admit it is not my problem
>>> >
>>> Does the proven serially lying hypocrite imagine the commandment about
>>> not bearing false witness, doesn't apply to him?
>>> 
>>> It's a good thing the hell the moron threatens us with, is a figment
>>> of his deluded imagination.
>>> 
>>> If he really were the good Christian he imagines he  is, he would be
>>> terrified of going there himself, and this fear would prevent his
>>> lying about and to us,
>>
>>
>>He thinks narking us out will gain him some slack. Poor deluded fool 
>>can't even be honest to himself.
>
>Is he capable of thinking?

Of course.  My superior intelligence is what nails  you every day.

the dukester, American-American

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#570565

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-04-14 23:09 +0000
Message-ID<nep7ul$ct2$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#570443
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:35:14 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:38:04 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
> <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
> wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 05:03:21 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
>><hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <5dctgbt9qg8ejgcfbt8iqqpm9epjh3j3ci@4ax.com>,
>>> Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:33:28 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:37:50 -0700, MattB wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> 
>>>> >>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> ><snip>
>>>> >
>>>> >>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you
>>>> >>>are afraid to admit it is not my problem
>>>> >
>>>> Does the proven serially lying hypocrite imagine the commandment
>>>> about not bearing false witness, doesn't apply to him?
>>>> 
>>>> It's a good thing the hell the moron threatens us with, is a figment
>>>> of his deluded imagination.
>>>> 
>>>> If he really were the good Christian he imagines he  is, he would be
>>>> terrified of going there himself, and this fear would prevent his
>>>> lying about and to us,
>>>
>>>
>>>He thinks narking us out will gain him some slack. Poor deluded fool
>>>can't even be honest to himself.
>>
>>Is he capable of thinking?
> 
> Of course.  My superior intelligence is what nails  you every day.

More evidence for the Dunning-Kruger effect.

> *****
> "Idiocy is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#570442

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-04-14 11:33 -0500
Message-ID<dihvgb1ismjlop27vinn689ln55p80is2g@4ax.com>
In reply to#570391
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 05:03:21 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <5dctgbt9qg8ejgcfbt8iqqpm9epjh3j3ci@4ax.com>,
> Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:33:28 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:37:50 -0700, MattB wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>> >>>
>> >>>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you are
>> >>>afraid to admit it is not my problem
>> >
>> Does the proven serially lying hypocrite imagine the commandment about
>> not bearing false witness, doesn't apply to him?
>> 
>> It's a good thing the hell the moron threatens us with, is a figment
>> of his deluded imagination.
>> 
>> If he really were the good Christian he imagines he  is, he would be
>> terrified of going there himself, and this fear would prevent his
>> lying about and to us,

>He thinks narking us out will gain him some slack. Poor deluded fool 
>can't even be honest to himself.

How do you "nark" someone, jdyke?

the dukester, American-American

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Pope Paul VI
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#570879 — Re: (Christian) Insanity has benefits.

Frombenj <nobodyxx@gmail>
Date2016-04-16 04:52 -0400
SubjectRe: (Christian) Insanity has benefits.
Message-ID<5711fd3c$0$9229$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#570391
On 04/16/2016 04:11 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>
>
>     (Christian) Insanity has benefits.
>
>     SemiRandom breeding leads to SemiRandom killing;
>     that's how nature/evolution works.
>
>     Subconsciously, humanity defines "Life" as:
>
>        That program, running in our heads, telling us to breathe, drink, etc.

Life not robotic enough for you, Rolf? Just wait around a while, I'm 
sure soon you will be quite happy.

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#570441

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-04-14 11:32 -0500
Message-ID<mbhvgb9v2o7bg73cg998eal2tc3av5b4b1@4ax.com>
In reply to#570275
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:02:02 -0500, Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:33:28 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:37:50 -0700, MattB wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>>>>
>>>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>>>>
>>>>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you are
>>>>afraid to admit it is not my problem
>>
>Does the proven serially lying hypocrite imagine the commandment about
>not bearing false witness, doesn't apply to him?

Of course not.  That's why I alway tell the truth.

>It's a good thing the hell the moron threatens us with, is a figment
>of his deluded imagination.

I don't see it, but God well stated it's somehting you have to face eventually.
>
>If he really were the good Christian he imagines he  is, he would be
>terrified of going there himself, and this fear would prevent his
>lying about and to us,

I am terrified, and so I don't lie to you.  Never have, don't now, never will.
Got it - heeheehee.
> 
>>> Can you supply this evidence?
>
>If the proven serial liar had any, he would have provided it.

Done.

>>No he can't. All he has are stupid unevidenced beliefs.
>
>Religion has made him even more mentally ill than when he returned to
>it after whatever he did that he was so ashamed of that he went back
>to it for "forgiveness" -  instead of asking those to whom he did it.

Say what???  Heeheehee.
>
>His church is the last place he should have gone to for the therapy
>and counseling he obviously needed.

>Look what it's turned him into.

And I thank the Lord God for helping me back.

the dukester, American-American

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Pope Paul VI
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#570566

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-04-14 23:13 +0000
Message-ID<nep86j$ct2$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#570441
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:32:57 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:02:02 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
> <c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:33:28 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:37:50 -0700, MattB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you
>>>>>are afraid to admit it is not my problem
>>>
>>Does the proven serially lying hypocrite imagine the commandment about
>>not bearing false witness, doesn't apply to him?
> 
> Of course not.  That's why I alway tell the truth.
> 
>>It's a good thing the hell the moron threatens us with, is a figment of
>>his deluded imagination.
> 
> I don't see it, but God well stated it's somehting you have to face
> eventually.
>>
>>If he really were the good Christian he imagines he  is, he would be
>>terrified of going there himself, and this fear would prevent his lying
>>about and to us,
> 
> I am terrified, and so I don't lie to you.  Never have, don't now, never
> will. Got it - heeheehee.
>> 
>>>> Can you supply this evidence?
>>
>>If the proven serial liar had any, he would have provided it.
> 
> Done.

Liar.
 
>>>No he can't. All he has are stupid unevidenced beliefs.
>>
>>Religion has made him even more mentally ill than when he returned to it
>>after whatever he did that he was so ashamed of that he went back to it
>>for "forgiveness" -  instead of asking those to whom he did it.
> 
> Say what???  Heeheehee.

Your hysterical laughter at your own stupidity shows your mental illness.

>>His church is the last place he should have gone to for the therapy and
>>counseling he obviously needed.
> 
>>Look what it's turned him into.
> 
> And I thank the Lord God for helping me back.

Yep. Back to insanity.
 
> *****
> "Stupidity is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#570438

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-04-14 11:29 -0500
Message-ID<r7hvgbdk6velr9sn2eeg4n1actvm69fn50@4ax.com>
In reply to#570259
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:33:28 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:37:50 -0700, MattB wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>>>
>>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>>>
>>>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you are
>>>afraid to admit it is not my problem
>> 
>> Can you supply this evidence?
>
>No he can't. All he has are stupid unevidenced beliefs.

I even went so far as to present the science that one day might prove the
existence of God.  But, quite frankly, it's takes some intelligence to get it.

the dukester, American-American

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Pope Paul VI
*****

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#570567

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-04-14 23:15 +0000
Message-ID<nep8ai$ct2$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#570438
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:29:18 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:33:28 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:37:50 -0700, MattB wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>>>>
>>>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>>>>
>>>>Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.  Just because you are
>>>>afraid to admit it is not my problem
>>> 
>>> Can you supply this evidence?
>>
>>No he can't. All he has are stupid unevidenced beliefs.
> 
> I even went so far as to present the science that one day might prove
> the existence of God.

Pigs might fly.

> But, quite frankly, it's takes some intelligence to get it.

To get that it's nonsense.

> *****
> "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#570256

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-04-13 20:30 +0000
Message-ID<nema88$100n$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#570225
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:25:30 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:20:29 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:51:50 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:19:24 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:13:35 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:56:49 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:58:32 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:48:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:36:23 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:04:43 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:27:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science is on the verge of almost being able to prove the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your stupid assertions are NOT evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't hide from the creation of the universe.  All you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do is suggest alternatives to the method God used in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That would be the supposed creation for which you have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We're here, aren't we.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Due to evolution, not a supposed creation.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If there was nothing, how could there be evolution?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Who said that there was nothing, liar?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All the astrophysicists of the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cite one who said there was nothing, liar earl.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They all do.
>>>>
>>>>No cite, your unevidenced assertions are rejected.
>>> 
>>> Expansion of the universe required a starting point.  The two options
>>> are: 1.  God willed the starting point into existence and it expanded.
>>> 2.  The point always existed, but how?
>>
>>If your supposed god always existed, then why not the the universe?
> 
> God is neither material nor energy. 

Then it cannot exist.
Q.E.D.

> But, then again, no man can address the origin of God.

The origin of your supposed god character is when a group of ancient 
ignoramuses decided to make it up.

> It is not for us to know.  But we can compute the
> beginning of all things not God.

Because, unlike your supposed god character, they can be shown to exist.
 
>>> And if it always existed, why did it suddenly start to expand when it
>>> did and not before or later?
> 
>>And if your supposed god always existed, then why did it decide to
>>create the universe when it did and not before or later?
> 
> We don't know.

Just as we don't know (yet) how the universe existed before the big bang 
and why it happened when it did.
 
>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
> 
> Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do. 

Because you cannot show one shred of evidence. All you have are stupid 
unevidenced beliefs.

> Just because you are afraid to admit it is not my problem

Your problem is that, either you are afraid to show it, or you have none.
Which is it, liar earl?

> *****
> "Telling lies about having evidence the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
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aa #2279
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to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#570444

Fromduke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date2016-04-14 11:38 -0500
Message-ID<omhvgbdv5sj3miidvonmlu5l3qv70613ne@4ax.com>
In reply to#570256
On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:30:00 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:25:30 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:20:29 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:51:50 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:19:24 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:13:35 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:56:49 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:58:32 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:48:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:36:23 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:04:43 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:27:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science is on the verge of almost being able to prove the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your stupid assertions are NOT evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't hide from the creation of the universe.  All you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do is suggest alternatives to the method God used in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That would be the supposed creation for which you have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> We're here, aren't we.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Due to evolution, not a supposed creation.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If there was nothing, how could there be evolution?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Who said that there was nothing, liar?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> All the astrophysicists of the world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cite one who said there was nothing, liar earl.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They all do.
>>>>>
>>>>>No cite, your unevidenced assertions are rejected.
>>>> 
>>>> Expansion of the universe required a starting point.  The two options
>>>> are: 1.  God willed the starting point into existence and it expanded.
>>>> 2.  The point always existed, but how?
>>>
>>>If your supposed god always existed, then why not the the universe?
>> 
>> God is neither material nor energy. 
>
>Then it cannot exist.
>Q.E.D.

Spirit.   Q.E.D.

>> But, then again, no man can address the origin of God.
>The origin of your supposed god character is when a group of ancient 
>ignoramuses decided to make it up.

God was here 13.7 billion years before them.

>
>> It is not for us to know.  But we can compute the
>> beginning of all things not God.
>
>Because, unlike your supposed god character, they can be shown to exist.

But it took God's existence to will all other "stuff of the universe" into
existence.

>>>> And if it always existed, why did it suddenly start to expand when it
>>>> did and not before or later?
>> 
>>>And if your supposed god always existed, then why did it decide to
>>>create the universe when it did and not before or later?
>> 
>> We don't know.

>Just as we don't know (yet) how the universe existed before the big bang 
>and why it happened when it did.

It didn't exist before.  That's the whole point.
> 
>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>> 
>> Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do. 

>Because you cannot show one shred of evidence. All you have are stupid 
>unevidenced beliefs.

You're too intellectually challenged to see my answer.

>> Just because you are afraid to admit it is not my problem
>
>Your problem is that, either you are afraid to show it, or you have none.
>Which is it, liar earl?

You're lying.

the dukester, American-American

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#570568

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-04-14 23:20 +0000
Message-ID<nep8jp$ct2$6@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#570444
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:38:53 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:30:00 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:25:30 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:20:29 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:51:50 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:19:24 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:13:35 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:56:49 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:58:32 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:48:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:36:23 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:04:43 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:27:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science is on the verge of almost being able to prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the existence of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your stupid assertions are NOT evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't hide from the creation of the universe.  All you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do is suggest alternatives to the method God used in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That would be the supposed creation for which you have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're here, aren't we.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Due to evolution, not a supposed creation.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If there was nothing, how could there be evolution?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Who said that there was nothing, liar?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All the astrophysicists of the world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cite one who said there was nothing, liar earl.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> They all do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No cite, your unevidenced assertions are rejected.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Expansion of the universe required a starting point.  The two
>>>>> options are: 1.  God willed the starting point into existence and it
>>>>> expanded.
>>>>> 2.  The point always existed, but how?
>>>>
>>>>If your supposed god always existed, then why not the the universe?
>>> 
>>> God is neither material nor energy.
>>
>>Then it cannot exist.
>>Q.E.D.
> 
> Spirit.   Q.E.D.

Spirits only come in bottles.
 
>>> But, then again, no man can address the origin of God.
>>The origin of your supposed god character is when a group of ancient
>>ignoramuses decided to make it up.
> 
> God was here 13.7 billion years before them.

Show your evidence for that stupid assertion.
 
>>> It is not for us to know.  But we can compute the beginning of all
>>> things not God.
>>
>>Because, unlike your supposed god character, they can be shown to exist.
> 
> But it took God's existence to will all other "stuff of the universe"
> into existence.

Show your evidence for that stupid assertion.

>>>>> And if it always existed, why did it suddenly start to expand when
>>>>> it did and not before or later?
>>> 
>>>>And if your supposed god always existed, then why did it decide to
>>>>create the universe when it did and not before or later?
>>> 
>>> We don't know.
> 
>>Just as we don't know (yet) how the universe existed before the big bang
>>and why it happened when it did.
> 
> It didn't exist before.  That's the whole point.

Show your evidence for that stupid assertion.

>>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>>> 
>>> Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.
> 
>>Because you cannot show one shred of evidence. All you have are stupid
>>unevidenced beliefs.
> 
> You're too intellectually challenged to see my answer.

Ad homs are not refutation.
 
>>> Just because you are afraid to admit it is not my problem
>>
>>Your problem is that, either you are afraid to show it, or you have
>>none.
>>Which is it, liar earl?
> 
> You're lying.

Which is it, liar earl?

> *****
> "Telling lies about evidence is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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