Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No?

From	Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No?
Date	2016-04-14 23:20 +0000
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:38:53 -0500, duke wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:30:00 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote:
> 
>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:35:39 -0500, duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:37:27 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 08:18:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 19:25:30 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 16:20:29 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 23:51:50 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:19:24 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 16:13:35 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:56:49 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 18:58:32 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:48:16 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:36:23 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:04:43 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:24:24 +0000 (UTC), Smiler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <smiler@jo.king>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:27:59 -0500, duke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science is on the verge of almost being able to prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the existence of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your stupid assertions are NOT evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't hide from the creation of the universe.  All you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can do is suggest alternatives to the method God used in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That would be the supposed creation for which you have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're here, aren't we.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Due to evolution, not a supposed creation.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If there was nothing, how could there be evolution?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Who said that there was nothing, liar?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All the astrophysicists of the world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cite one who said there was nothing, liar earl.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> They all do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No cite, your unevidenced assertions are rejected.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Expansion of the universe required a starting point.  The two
>>>>> options are: 1.  God willed the starting point into existence and it
>>>>> expanded.
>>>>> 2.  The point always existed, but how?
>>>>
>>>>If your supposed god always existed, then why not the the universe?
>>> 
>>> God is neither material nor energy.
>>
>>Then it cannot exist.
>>Q.E.D.
> 
> Spirit.   Q.E.D.

Spirits only come in bottles.
 
>>> But, then again, no man can address the origin of God.
>>The origin of your supposed god character is when a group of ancient
>>ignoramuses decided to make it up.
> 
> God was here 13.7 billion years before them.

Show your evidence for that stupid assertion.
 
>>> It is not for us to know.  But we can compute the beginning of all
>>> things not God.
>>
>>Because, unlike your supposed god character, they can be shown to exist.
> 
> But it took God's existence to will all other "stuff of the universe"
> into existence.

Show your evidence for that stupid assertion.

>>>>> And if it always existed, why did it suddenly start to expand when
>>>>> it did and not before or later?
>>> 
>>>>And if your supposed god always existed, then why did it decide to
>>>>create the universe when it did and not before or later?
>>> 
>>> We don't know.
> 
>>Just as we don't know (yet) how the universe existed before the big bang
>>and why it happened when it did.
> 
> It didn't exist before.  That's the whole point.

Show your evidence for that stupid assertion.

>>>>> Either way, you are faced with the hand of God at work.
>>>>That would be the supposed god for which you have no evidence.
>>> 
>>> Why do you pretend I have no evidence when I do.
> 
>>Because you cannot show one shred of evidence. All you have are stupid
>>unevidenced beliefs.
> 
> You're too intellectually challenged to see my answer.

Ad homs are not refutation.
 
>>> Just because you are afraid to admit it is not my problem
>>
>>Your problem is that, either you are afraid to show it, or you have
>>none.
>>Which is it, liar earl?
> 
> You're lying.

Which is it, liar earl?

> *****
> "Telling lies about evidence is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI *****

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-13 08:18 -0500
  Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-13 16:37 +0000
    Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-13 14:35 -0500
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? MattB <trdell12345@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:37 -0700
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-13 20:33 +0000
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-04-13 16:02 -0500
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-04-14 05:03 -0700
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-04-14 08:38 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-14 11:35 -0500
                Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-14 23:09 +0000
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-14 11:33 -0500
              Re: (Christian) Insanity has benefits. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-16 04:52 -0400
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-14 11:32 -0500
              Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-14 23:13 +0000
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-14 11:29 -0500
            Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-14 23:15 +0000
      Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-13 20:30 +0000
        Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-04-14 11:38 -0500
          Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-04-14 23:20 +0000

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