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Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:36 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 23:19 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 22:23 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 18:18 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 13:06 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 20:44 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:24 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 04:29 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-14 01:06 -0600
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:22 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 00:56 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:28 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 14:42 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:35 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 17:22 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 00:47 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 19:30 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 21:45 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-15 16:09 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 00:02 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 02:59 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 17:03 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:28 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 19:17 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 12:52 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 20:50 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 19:40 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-17 05:24 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 23:59 -0700
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 15:36 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin |
| Message-ID | <41uqgb1ljgpvslc7a55eh4vqavjkmcqt4v@4ax.com> |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>
>>
>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>
>
>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>
But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
dishonest twat.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-12 23:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <scc0uc-ndh.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #570022 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>> >>>> >>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>> >>> >>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>> >> >>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >> > > But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of > survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually > dishonest twat. As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and growing, people before the Europeans arrived, and you can not live longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-12 22:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <omlrgbtu3siouondjltq0klp798vero7it@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #570041 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>>
>>
>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
>> dishonest twat.
>>
>
>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ...
>
And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim.
>
>... and you can not live
>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ...
>
So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you,
right?
>
>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.
>
Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts,
don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-13 18:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <44f2uc-qvn.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #570100 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>> >>> >>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>> dishonest twat. >>> >> >>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >> > > And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population with imported diseases. None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which includes diseases. >> >>... and you can not live >>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >> > > So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, > right? So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >> > > Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, > don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity of the support equipment, space cadet. As in the ease of survival in the ocean in 1 m of water versus 300 m of water. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-13 13:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ee9tgb54mlpmclp7sm4rd6u6c35c4r2dor@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #570204 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
>>>> dishonest twat.
>>>>
>>>
>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ...
>>>
>>
>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim.
>
>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population
>with imported diseases.
>
Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count
it when it HELPS survival.
>
>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which
>includes diseases.
>
Unproven.
>>>
>>>... and you can not live
>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ...
>>>
>>
>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you,
>> right?
>
>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able
>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum?
>
>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts,
>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here.
>>
>
>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity
>of the support equipment, space cadet.
>
For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge'
technology in support.
>
>As in the ease of survival in the ocean in 1 m of water versus 300 m of
>water.
>
Perhaps I should change your nickname from 'Jimp the Chimp' to "stupid
parallels R us"...
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-13 20:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <hln2uc-67p.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #570240 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>>>> dishonest twat. >>>>> >>>> >>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >>>> >>> >>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. >> >>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population >>with imported diseases. >> > > Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count > it when it HELPS survival. No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American indiginous population is irrelevant. >>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which >>includes diseases. >> > > Unproven. The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars. >>>> >>>>... and you can not live >>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >>>> >>> >>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, >>> right? >> >>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able >>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >> >>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >>>> >>> >>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, >>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. >>> >> >>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity >>of the support equipment, space cadet. >> > > For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge' > technology in support. Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old. About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-13 19:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <umvtgb9ntlh8ukgm0acvs64gs31vqof6n8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #570274 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
>>>>>> dishonest twat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim.
>>>
>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population
>>>with imported diseases.
>>>
>>
>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count
>> it when it HELPS survival.
>
>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American
>indiginous population is irrelevant.
>
Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us.
>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which
>>>includes diseases.
>>>
>>
>> Unproven.
>
>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars.
>
>>>>>
>>>>>... and you can not live
>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you,
>>>> right?
>>>
>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able
>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum?
>>>
>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts,
>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity
>>>of the support equipment, space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge'
>> technology in support.
>
>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old.
>
>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they
>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives.
>
Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather
than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did?
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| Date | 2016-04-14 04:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sti3uc-s0s.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #570323 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>>>>>> dishonest twat. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. >>>> >>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population >>>>with imported diseases. >>>> >>> >>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count >>> it when it HELPS survival. >> >>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American >>indiginous population is irrelevant. >> > > Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us. Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent carrying any to Mars. >>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which >>>>includes diseases. >>>> >>> >>> Unproven. >> >>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars. >> >>>>>> >>>>>>... and you can not live >>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, >>>>> right? >>>> >>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able >>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >>>> >>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, >>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity >>>>of the support equipment, space cadet. >>>> >>> >>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge' >>> technology in support. >> >>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old. >> >>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they >>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives. >> > > Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather > than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same as it had been for a thousand years or so. There were few inventions that effected daily life, and especially farming life, between the 16th century and about the middle of the 19th century. The first invention of note to do so after 1600 was the loom with the flying shuttle in 1733. 1764 spinning jenny 1786 threshing machine 1793 cotton gin 1798 smallpox vaccine -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-14 01:06 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <dn8ts2F8eu3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #570337 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather >> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? > >Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same >as it had been for a thousand years or so. Compared to the North Americans, the use of oxen or horses to do the hard part of the farming was new. An effective horse collar was post-Roman, but I don't know if it was older than that thousand when American was colonized. >There were few inventions that effected daily life, and especially farming >life, between the 16th century and about the middle of the 19th century. You switched from "thousand" to 250 or so rather suddenly. -- We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
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| Date | 2016-04-14 18:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rn35uc-nl3.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #570360 |
In sci.physics Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather >>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? >> >>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same >>as it had been for a thousand years or so. > > Compared to the North Americans, the use of oxen or horses to do the > hard part of the farming was new. An effective horse collar was > post-Roman, but I don't know if it was older than that thousand when > American was colonized. The topic was the state of the European imports. If all you can come up with is the horse collar, then I would say it is safe to say the vast majority of European technology at the time of colonization of the Americas was a thousand years old or so. >>There were few inventions that effected daily life, and especially farming >>life, between the 16th century and about the middle of the 19th century. > > You switched from "thousand" to 250 or so rather suddenly. Nope, I switched from technology at the start of colonization to technology during colonization. The point being that technology that effected the average person made very few advances during the colonial period. Granted things like the telescope, slide rule, and barometer were invented in the 17th century, but the average person neither had nor needed such things. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-14 00:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4uiugbl88ckm2geofa3dprcbqc7jr6cvpg@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #570337 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
>>>>>>>> dishonest twat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population
>>>>>with imported diseases.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count
>>>> it when it HELPS survival.
>>>
>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American
>>>indiginous population is irrelevant.
>>>
>>
>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us.
>>
>
>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent
>carrying any to Mars.
>
So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the
odds, then, Jim?
>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which
>>>>>includes diseases.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unproven.
>>>
>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>... and you can not live
>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you,
>>>>>> right?
>>>>>
>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able
>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts,
>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity
>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge'
>>>> technology in support.
>>>
>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old.
>>>
>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they
>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives.
>>>
>>
>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather
>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did?
>
>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same
>as it had been for a thousand years or so.
>
Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not
Europe.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| Date | 2016-04-14 18:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <k345uc-nl3.ln1@mail.specsol.com> |
| In reply to | #570370 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>>>>>>>> dishonest twat. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. >>>>>> >>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population >>>>>>with imported diseases. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count >>>>> it when it HELPS survival. >>>> >>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American >>>>indiginous population is irrelevant. >>>> >>> >>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us. >>> >> >>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent >>carrying any to Mars. >> > > So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the > odds, then, Jim? I's say somewhere around .9 with a shitload of 9s after it to 1. >>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which >>>>>>includes diseases. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Unproven. >>>> >>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>... and you can not live >>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, >>>>>>> right? >>>>>> >>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able >>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >>>>>> >>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, >>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity >>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge' >>>>> technology in support. >>>> >>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old. >>>> >>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they >>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives. >>>> >>> >>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather >>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? >> >>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same >>as it had been for a thousand years or so. >> > > Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not > Europe. Don't be an ignorant fool. Technology that effected the average person changed very little until mid 19th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_historic_inventions How important is the parachute, invented circa 1470, to the average person? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-14 14:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6j30hblr01oa6samhsvltq9ld6u4vle65e@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #570483 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
>>>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
>>>>>>>>>> dishonest twat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
>>>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population
>>>>>>>with imported diseases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count
>>>>>> it when it HELPS survival.
>>>>>
>>>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American
>>>>>indiginous population is irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent
>>>carrying any to Mars.
>>>
>>
>> So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the
>> odds, then, Jim?
>
>I's say somewhere around .9 with a shitload of 9s after it to 1.
>
And just what do you base that on, other than an almost total lack of
information?
>>>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which
>>>>>>>includes diseases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unproven.
>>>>>
>>>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>... and you can not live
>>>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you,
>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able
>>>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
>>>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts,
>>>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity
>>>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge'
>>>>>> technology in support.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old.
>>>>>
>>>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they
>>>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather
>>>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did?
>>>
>>>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same
>>>as it had been for a thousand years or so.
>>>
>>
>> Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not
>> Europe.
>
>Don't be an ignorant fool.
>
Don't be stupid chimp droppings.
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
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| Date | 2016-04-14 22:35 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #570534 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>>>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>>>>>>>>>> dishonest twat. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>>>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population >>>>>>>>with imported diseases. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count >>>>>>> it when it HELPS survival. >>>>>> >>>>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American >>>>>>indiginous population is irrelevant. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent >>>>carrying any to Mars. >>>> >>> >>> So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the >>> odds, then, Jim? >> >>I's say somewhere around .9 with a shitload of 9s after it to 1. >> > > And just what do you base that on, other than an almost total lack of > information? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_habitability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars >>>>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which >>>>>>>>includes diseases. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unproven. >>>>>> >>>>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>... and you can not live >>>>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, >>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able >>>>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>>>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, >>>>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity >>>>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge' >>>>>>> technology in support. >>>>>> >>>>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old. >>>>>> >>>>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they >>>>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather >>>>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? >>>> >>>>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same >>>>as it had been for a thousand years or so. >>>> >>> >>> Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not >>> Europe. >> >>Don't be an ignorant fool. >> > > Don't be stupid chimp droppings. Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-14 17:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <t9c0hbt5ht8mn0dgg6j688pcgeg5kpk39q@4ax.com> |
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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
>>>>>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonest twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
>>>>>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population
>>>>>>>>>with imported diseases.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count
>>>>>>>> it when it HELPS survival.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American
>>>>>>>indiginous population is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent
>>>>>carrying any to Mars.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the
>>>> odds, then, Jim?
>>>
>>>I's say somewhere around .9 with a shitload of 9s after it to 1.
>>>
>>
>> And just what do you base that on, other than an almost total lack of
>> information?
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars
"There are ongoing investigations assessing the past habitability
potential of Mars, as well as the possibility of extant life."
Sounds like they think the odds are much higher than you do.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_habitability
Nothing really germane to the discussion except that Mars seems to
fall within the 'habitable band' where there could be life.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars
Lots of speculation about life (particularly microbial life) on Mars
and no reason to put the odds of no life where you do.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars
Read the section titled "Possible biosignatures". Sounds like the
odds are a lot higher than your opinion.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars
And yet another cite that doesn't support Jimp the Chimp's conclusion.
I think we've discovered the problem...
>
>
>>>>>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which
>>>>>>>>>includes diseases.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unproven.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>... and you can not live
>>>>>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you,
>>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able
>>>>>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
>>>>>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts,
>>>>>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity
>>>>>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge'
>>>>>>>> technology in support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they
>>>>>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather
>>>>>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did?
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same
>>>>>as it had been for a thousand years or so.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not
>>>> Europe.
>>>
>>>Don't be an ignorant fool.
>>>
>>
>> Don't be stupid chimp droppings.
>>
>
>Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully.
>
Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully lying hypocrite.
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
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| Date | 2016-04-15 00:47 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #570592 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>>>>>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonest twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>>>>>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population >>>>>>>>>>with imported diseases. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count >>>>>>>>> it when it HELPS survival. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American >>>>>>>>indiginous population is irrelevant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent >>>>>>carrying any to Mars. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the >>>>> odds, then, Jim? >>>> >>>>I's say somewhere around .9 with a shitload of 9s after it to 1. >>>> >>> >>> And just what do you base that on, other than an almost total lack of >>> information? >> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars > > "There are ongoing investigations assessing the past habitability > potential of Mars, as well as the possibility of extant life." > > Sounds like they think the odds are much higher than you do. Sounds like ass covering to me so no matter the outcome they can't be called wrong. >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_habitability > > Nothing really germane to the discussion except that Mars seems to > fall within the 'habitable band' where there could be life. > >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars > > Lots of speculation about life (particularly microbial life) on Mars > and no reason to put the odds of no life where you do. > >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars > > Read the section titled "Possible biosignatures". Sounds like the > odds are a lot higher than your opinion. > >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars > > And yet another cite that doesn't support Jimp the Chimp's conclusion. > I think we've discovered the problem... Yes we have, you are a know-it-all, blow hard, bile spewing, bully. Notice that nowhere did anyone give any numeric odds of life on Mars as you demanded of me, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which >>>>>>>>>>includes diseases. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unproven. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>... and you can not live >>>>>>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, >>>>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able >>>>>>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>>>>>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, >>>>>>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity >>>>>>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge' >>>>>>>>> technology in support. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they >>>>>>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather >>>>>>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? >>>>>> >>>>>>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same >>>>>>as it had been for a thousand years or so. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not >>>>> Europe. >>>> >>>>Don't be an ignorant fool. >>>> >>> >>> Don't be stupid chimp droppings. >>> >> >>Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully. >> > > Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully lying hypocrite. Talking to yourself? -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-14 19:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d8k0hb9sh1sglnn8o31pj8snbabil42f27@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #570609 |
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonest twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population
>>>>>>>>>>>with imported diseases.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count
>>>>>>>>>> it when it HELPS survival.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American
>>>>>>>>>indiginous population is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent
>>>>>>>carrying any to Mars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the
>>>>>> odds, then, Jim?
>>>>>
>>>>>I's say somewhere around .9 with a shitload of 9s after it to 1.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And just what do you base that on, other than an almost total lack of
>>>> information?
>>>
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars
>>
>> "There are ongoing investigations assessing the past habitability
>> potential of Mars, as well as the possibility of extant life."
>>
>> Sounds like they think the odds are much higher than you do.
>
>Sounds like ass covering to me so no matter the outcome they can't
>be called wrong.
>
Of course it does, because, as you've made obvious, reality never
intrudes into a Chimp Position.
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_habitability
>>
>> Nothing really germane to the discussion except that Mars seems to
>> fall within the 'habitable band' where there could be life.
>>
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars
>>
>> Lots of speculation about life (particularly microbial life) on Mars
>> and no reason to put the odds of no life where you do.
>>
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars
>>
>> Read the section titled "Possible biosignatures". Sounds like the
>> odds are a lot higher than your opinion.
>>
>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars
>>
>> And yet another cite that doesn't support Jimp the Chimp's conclusion.
>> I think we've discovered the problem...
>>
>
>Yes we have, you are a know-it-all, blow hard, bile spewing, bully.
>
How does your cites not supporting your position that you claim is
based on them make me any of those things, much less all of them?
Blot before you short out your keyboard, Chimp.
>
>Notice that nowhere did anyone give any numeric odds of life on Mars
>as you demanded of me, space cadet.
>
"Demanded"? I just asked. You spit out a number. I asked what it
was based on. You cited a bunch of stuff that doesn't support your
number. You would have embarrassed yourself less if you'd simply said
"I pulled it out of my ass", since that's what you did.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which
>>>>>>>>>>>includes diseases.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unproven.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>... and you can not live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you,
>>>>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able
>>>>>>>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts,
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity
>>>>>>>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge'
>>>>>>>>>> technology in support.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they
>>>>>>>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather
>>>>>>>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same
>>>>>>>as it had been for a thousand years or so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not
>>>>>> Europe.
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't be an ignorant fool.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't be stupid chimp droppings.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully.
>>>
>>
>> Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully lying hypocrite.
>
>Talking to yourself?
>
Sometimes it feels that way, what with me being the only intellect
involved.
--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
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| Date | 2016-04-15 21:45 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #570623 |
In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonest twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population >>>>>>>>>>>>with imported diseases. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count >>>>>>>>>>> it when it HELPS survival. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American >>>>>>>>>>indiginous population is irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent >>>>>>>>carrying any to Mars. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the >>>>>>> odds, then, Jim? >>>>>> >>>>>>I's say somewhere around .9 with a shitload of 9s after it to 1. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And just what do you base that on, other than an almost total lack of >>>>> information? >>>> >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars >>> >>> "There are ongoing investigations assessing the past habitability >>> potential of Mars, as well as the possibility of extant life." >>> >>> Sounds like they think the odds are much higher than you do. >> >>Sounds like ass covering to me so no matter the outcome they can't >>be called wrong. >> > > Of course it does, because, as you've made obvious, reality never > intrudes into a Chimp Position. Of course ignoring the fact that none of your links contain the probability number YOU demanded from me. >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_habitability >>> >>> Nothing really germane to the discussion except that Mars seems to >>> fall within the 'habitable band' where there could be life. >>> >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars >>> >>> Lots of speculation about life (particularly microbial life) on Mars >>> and no reason to put the odds of no life where you do. >>> >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars >>> >>> Read the section titled "Possible biosignatures". Sounds like the >>> odds are a lot higher than your opinion. >>> >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars >>> >>> And yet another cite that doesn't support Jimp the Chimp's conclusion. >>> I think we've discovered the problem... >>> >> >>Yes we have, you are a know-it-all, blow hard, bile spewing, bully. >> > > How does your cites not supporting your position that you claim is > based on them make me any of those things, much less all of them? How do any of my cites NOT support the position that life on Mars is highly unlikely, space cadet? > Blot before you short out your keyboard, Chimp. Wipe the spittle and drool from you chin, space cadet. > >> >>Notice that nowhere did anyone give any numeric odds of life on Mars >>as you demanded of me, space cadet. >> > > "Demanded"? I just asked. You spit out a number. I asked what it > was based on. You cited a bunch of stuff that doesn't support your > number. You would have embarrassed yourself less if you'd simply said > "I pulled it out of my ass", since that's what you did. The number was my estimate, as requested by you, based on the available evidence. That the available evidence makes the likelyhood of life on Mars very small is not my problem, space cadet. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which >>>>>>>>>>>>includes diseases. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unproven. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>... and you can not live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, >>>>>>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able >>>>>>>>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge' >>>>>>>>>>> technology in support. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they >>>>>>>>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather >>>>>>>>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same >>>>>>>>as it had been for a thousand years or so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not >>>>>>> Europe. >>>>>> >>>>>>Don't be an ignorant fool. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Don't be stupid chimp droppings. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully. >>>> >>> >>> Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully lying hypocrite. >> >>Talking to yourself? >> > > Sometimes it feels that way, what with me being the only intellect > involved. Yep, you are the only one in the parade that is in step. -- Jim Pennino
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| From | Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-04-15 16:09 -0700 |
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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonest twat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population
>>>>>>>>>>>>>with imported diseases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count
>>>>>>>>>>>> it when it HELPS survival.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American
>>>>>>>>>>>indiginous population is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent
>>>>>>>>>carrying any to Mars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the
>>>>>>>> odds, then, Jim?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I's say somewhere around .9 with a shitload of 9s after it to 1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And just what do you base that on, other than an almost total lack of
>>>>>> information?
>>>>>
>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars
>>>>
>>>> "There are ongoing investigations assessing the past habitability
>>>> potential of Mars, as well as the possibility of extant life."
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like they think the odds are much higher than you do.
>>>
>>>Sounds like ass covering to me so no matter the outcome they can't
>>>be called wrong.
>>>
>>
>> Of course it does, because, as you've made obvious, reality never
>> intrudes into a Chimp Position.
>
>Of course ignoring the fact that none of your links contain the probability
>number YOU demanded from me.
>
I didn't state a positive opinion. You did. I *ASKED* what you
thought the odds of your opinion being correct were. You stupidly
pulled one out of your ass and then denied that that was the source
and now you're caught.
>
>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_habitability
>>>>
>>>> Nothing really germane to the discussion except that Mars seems to
>>>> fall within the 'habitable band' where there could be life.
>>>>
>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars
>>>>
>>>> Lots of speculation about life (particularly microbial life) on Mars
>>>> and no reason to put the odds of no life where you do.
>>>>
>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars
>>>>
>>>> Read the section titled "Possible biosignatures". Sounds like the
>>>> odds are a lot higher than your opinion.
>>>>
>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars
>>>>
>>>> And yet another cite that doesn't support Jimp the Chimp's conclusion.
>>>> I think we've discovered the problem...
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes we have, you are a know-it-all, blow hard, bile spewing, bully.
>>>
>>
>> How does your cites not supporting your position that you claim is
>> based on them make me any of those things, much less all of them?
>
>How do any of my cites NOT support the position that life on Mars
>is highly unlikely, space cadet?
>
Why, because they don't, Chimp, any more than they "support the
position" that magic makes everything work.
>
>> Blot before you short out your keyboard, Chimp.
>
>Wipe the spittle and drool from you chin, space cadet.
>
The best you can manage is tu quoque? Really?
>>
>>>
>>>Notice that nowhere did anyone give any numeric odds of life on Mars
>>>as you demanded of me, space cadet.
>>>
>>
>> "Demanded"? I just asked. You spit out a number. I asked what it
>> was based on. You cited a bunch of stuff that doesn't support your
>> number. You would have embarrassed yourself less if you'd simply said
>> "I pulled it out of my ass", since that's what you did.
>
>The number was my estimate, as requested by you, based on the available
>evidence.
>
The number is your estimate. You got that right. But it's based on
nothing but your own biases.
>
>That the available evidence makes the likelyhood of life on Mars very
>small is not my problem, space cadet.
>
Except it doesn't, chimpshit.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>includes diseases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unproven.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... and you can not live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge'
>>>>>>>>>>>> technology in support.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they
>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather
>>>>>>>>>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same
>>>>>>>>>as it had been for a thousand years or so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not
>>>>>>>> Europe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't be an ignorant fool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't be stupid chimp droppings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully lying hypocrite.
>>>
>>>Talking to yourself?
>>>
>>
>> Sometimes it feels that way, what with me being the only intellect
>> involved.
>>
>
>Yep, you are the only one in the parade that is in step.
>
Gods, ANOTHER tu quoque argument? You really are remarkably stupid.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonest twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population >>>>>>>>>>>>>>with imported diseases. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count >>>>>>>>>>>>> it when it HELPS survival. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American >>>>>>>>>>>>indiginous population is irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent >>>>>>>>>>carrying any to Mars. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the >>>>>>>>> odds, then, Jim? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I's say somewhere around .9 with a shitload of 9s after it to 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And just what do you base that on, other than an almost total lack of >>>>>>> information? >>>>>> >>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars >>>>> >>>>> "There are ongoing investigations assessing the past habitability >>>>> potential of Mars, as well as the possibility of extant life." >>>>> >>>>> Sounds like they think the odds are much higher than you do. >>>> >>>>Sounds like ass covering to me so no matter the outcome they can't >>>>be called wrong. >>>> >>> >>> Of course it does, because, as you've made obvious, reality never >>> intrudes into a Chimp Position. >> >>Of course ignoring the fact that none of your links contain the probability >>number YOU demanded from me. >> > > I didn't state a positive opinion. You did. I *ASKED* what you > thought the odds of your opinion being correct were. You stupidly > pulled one out of your ass and then denied that that was the source > and now you're caught. When did I EVER say it was other than MY estimate, space cadet? Can you prove the number wrong, space cadet? >> >>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_habitability >>>>> >>>>> Nothing really germane to the discussion except that Mars seems to >>>>> fall within the 'habitable band' where there could be life. >>>>> >>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_on_Mars >>>>> >>>>> Lots of speculation about life (particularly microbial life) on Mars >>>>> and no reason to put the odds of no life where you do. >>>>> >>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars >>>>> >>>>> Read the section titled "Possible biosignatures". Sounds like the >>>>> odds are a lot higher than your opinion. >>>>> >>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars >>>>> >>>>> And yet another cite that doesn't support Jimp the Chimp's conclusion. >>>>> I think we've discovered the problem... >>>>> >>>> >>>>Yes we have, you are a know-it-all, blow hard, bile spewing, bully. >>>> >>> >>> How does your cites not supporting your position that you claim is >>> based on them make me any of those things, much less all of them? >> >>How do any of my cites NOT support the position that life on Mars >>is highly unlikely, space cadet? >> > > Why, because they don't, Chimp, any more than they "support the > position" that magic makes everything work. Sure, all those links about the conditions being outside the parameters for life as we know it would lead one to the conlusion that life MUST exist in some shelted, special place. And we are talking about now, not what might have been millions of years ago when Mars may have had oceans. > >> >>> Blot before you short out your keyboard, Chimp. >> >>Wipe the spittle and drool from you chin, space cadet. >> > > The best you can manage is tu quoque? Really? > >>> >>>> >>>>Notice that nowhere did anyone give any numeric odds of life on Mars >>>>as you demanded of me, space cadet. >>>> >>> >>> "Demanded"? I just asked. You spit out a number. I asked what it >>> was based on. You cited a bunch of stuff that doesn't support your >>> number. You would have embarrassed yourself less if you'd simply said >>> "I pulled it out of my ass", since that's what you did. >> >>The number was my estimate, as requested by you, based on the available >>evidence. >> > > The number is your estimate. You got that right. But it's based on > nothing but your own biases. What you call biases I call reading the literature and forming an opinion. If in your space cadet fantasies you are expecting to find life on Mars, too bad. >> >>That the available evidence makes the likelyhood of life on Mars very >>small is not my problem, space cadet. >> > > Except it doesn't, chimpshit. > >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>includes diseases. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unproven. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... and you can not live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able >>>>>>>>>>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge' >>>>>>>>>>>>> technology in support. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they >>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather >>>>>>>>>>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same >>>>>>>>>>as it had been for a thousand years or so. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not >>>>>>>>> Europe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Don't be an ignorant fool. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't be stupid chimp droppings. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Don't be a bile spewing, school yard bully lying hypocrite. >>>> >>>>Talking to yourself? >>>> >>> >>> Sometimes it feels that way, what with me being the only intellect >>> involved. >>> >> >>Yep, you are the only one in the parade that is in step. >> > > Gods, ANOTHER tu quoque argument? You really are remarkably stupid. My statement would have to be a logical fallacy, which it is not. -- Jim Pennino
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