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| From | jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.space.policy, sci.physics, sci.astro, rec.arts.sf.science |
| Subject | Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin |
| Date | 2016-04-14 18:28 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <k345uc-nl3.ln1@mail.specsol.com> (permalink) |
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.space.policy Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're reasonable if they work. SpaceX is trying to avoid adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other engines to the Falcon 9 first stage. The stage could hover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and land, for example, if it added Super Draco engines to the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage. But, they require different fuel and oxidizer than the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stage carries. This would mean adding completely different tanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing, and etc. for those engines. Also, if Super Dracos were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used, it would be advantageous to deplete the kerosene and then vent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any remaining LOX in the tanks before landing. So, any "leftover" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel and oxidizer would be "wasted". In my book, this would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good trade to make. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If one wanted to give the Falcon 9 first stage the ability to hover, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wouldn't the most straightforward way to do that be create a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deeply-throttled Merlin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straightforward, perhaps, but it's a very big design change so you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start with having to requalify as if it's a whole new engine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you were just saying in another thread space stuff doesn't have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sure, it was by someone called Fred J. McCall talking about nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reactors on Mars being cheap for lack of bureaucrat bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY don't comprehend English, do you? Either that or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're just so intellectually dishonest everything sounds different to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Note that even if you interpret that one instance the way you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is twisted) it doesn't say what you claim I've said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop making up lies, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stop taking mind altering drugs, space cadet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stop begging to suck my dick, Chimp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like someone would really like being in an all male isolated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>environment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it doesn't matter how much you beg. You're not my type. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer them female, smart, cute, and human. You miss on all four. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yet you seem to know nothing about them such as they have been putting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diapers on their babies since antiquity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's called 'cloth', not 'diapers', you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cloth is raw stock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diapers, shirts, pants, sheets, etc. are finished goods, you stupid twat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And BOTH cloth and finished goods were IMPORTED to the Colonies, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumb cunt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So your claims in this regard, like so many of your claims, are >>>>>>>>>>>>> chimpshit, chimpshit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Both cloth and finished goods are imported to the US from Sri Lanka. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, they are, so we still don't qualify as a successful colony by >>>>>>>>>>>>> your definitions because we can't cloth ourselves without imports. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Does that mean you can not survive in the US without imports from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Lanka, space cadet? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There's more of that chimpshit wriggling between "survive" and "live >>>>>>>>>>>>> in a rich suburb"... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Nope, I've never deviated from the facts that it is trivial to survive >>>>>>>>>>>>on the Earth just about anywhere and impossible to survive on Mars without >>>>>>>>>>>>21st century technology, and a lot of it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And you've never explained all those failed colonies and dead people. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Sure I have but they have nothing to do with surviving on Mars. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But they do have everything to do with your proclaimed ease of >>>>>>>>> survival in the Americas naked and unafraid, you intellectually >>>>>>>>> dishonest twat. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As the Americas had somewhere between 50 million and 100 million, and >>>>>>>>growing, people before the Europeans arrived, ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And then it didn't. Apparently survival isn't as easy as you claim. >>>>>> >>>>>>It is if you don't have invaders killing off roughly 80% of the population >>>>>>with imported diseases. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Diseases are a part of that 'nature' thing. Apparently you only count >>>>> it when it HELPS survival. >>>> >>>>No life and no disease on Mars, so what happened the the American >>>>indiginous population is irrelevant. >>>> >>> >>> Unknown, even if you assume we don't bring something with us. >>> >> >>Odds are there are no diseases on Mars and it is trivial to prevent >>carrying any to Mars. >> > > So you go from an absolute statement to "odds are". What are the > odds, then, Jim? I's say somewhere around .9 with a shitload of 9s after it to 1. >>>>>>None of which is relevant to Mars as there is zero life on Mars, which >>>>>>includes diseases. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Unproven. >>>> >>>>The people that go to Mars better hope there are no diseases on Mars. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>... and you can not live >>>>>>>>longer than about 5 seconds on Mars without 21st century technology, ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you keep claiming. It's everyone else that's nuts and not you, >>>>>>> right? >>>>>> >>>>>>So you are saying it doesn't take 21st century technology to be able >>>>>>to live and work in what is for all practical purposes a vacuum? >>>>>> >>>>>>>>the difference in ease of survival should be obvious to everyone other >>>>>>>>than starry eyed space cadets who read too many comic books. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, so now it's EASE of survival. You do keep moving the goalposts, >>>>>>> don't you, chimp? See Biosphere. Right down the road from here. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Ease as in the amount of required support equipment and the complexity >>>>>>of the support equipment, space cadet. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For colonies to survive they historically needed 'leading edge' >>>>> technology in support. >>>> >>>>Nope, just about everything needed in the New World was centuries old. >>>> >>>>About the only thing that was 'leading edge' was firearms, which they >>>>wouldn't NEED if they didn't piss of the natives. >>>> >>> >>> Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they import the latest available rather >>> than breaking tools out of museums, as you seem to think they did? >> >>Don't be silly. The latest available, except for firearms, was the same >>as it had been for a thousand years or so. >> > > Don't be silly. It was your American indigenes that were static, not > Europe. Don't be an ignorant fool. Technology that effected the average person changed very little until mid 19th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_historic_inventions How important is the parachute, invented circa 1470, to the average person? -- Jim Pennino
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Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-05 21:49 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2016-04-06 21:30 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-07 06:07 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 12:45 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Thomas Womack <twomack@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2016-04-08 16:41 +0100
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-08 18:27 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hpe.com> - 2016-04-07 17:43 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 12:56 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-08 18:26 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2016-04-10 08:40 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-04-11 06:11 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-04-11 06:37 -0400
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-08 23:13 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 22:01 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 06:27 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 08:08 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 19:03 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 13:20 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-09 21:17 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-09 20:22 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 06:11 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 06:43 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-10 17:09 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 17:39 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-11 19:13 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 19:59 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 06:10 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 07:12 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 18:25 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:36 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-12 23:19 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 22:23 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 18:18 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 13:06 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-13 20:44 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 19:24 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 04:29 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-04-14 01:06 -0600
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:22 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 00:56 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 18:28 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 14:42 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-14 22:35 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 17:22 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 00:47 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 19:30 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-15 21:45 +0000
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Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 00:02 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 02:59 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 17:03 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 11:28 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 19:17 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 12:52 -0700
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-16 20:50 +0000
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Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-04-17 05:24 +0000
Re: Successful flight by Blue Origin Fred J. McCall <fjmccall@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 23:59 -0700
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