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Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions.

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  Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-05 08:22 -0400
    Re:Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-06-05 20:13 +0200
      Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-06-05 21:50 -0400
        Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-05 22:55 -0400
          Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-06-05 23:30 -0400
            Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-06-06 20:04 +1000
              Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-06-06 08:02 -0400
                Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-06 07:27 -0500
                  Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-06 16:26 -0400
            Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-06 16:10 -0400
    Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-06-06 13:11 +1000
      Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-06 16:07 -0400
        Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-06-09 15:33 +1000
    Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 11:35 -0700
      Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-06-07 12:30 -0700
      Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-07 16:43 -0400
        Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-06-09 15:34 +1000
          Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-06-09 02:15 -0400
            Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-06-09 19:28 +1000
              Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-06-09 11:43 -0400
                Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-06-11 06:26 +1000
                  Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-06-10 17:00 -0400
                    Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-06-11 08:17 +1000
                      Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-06-10 18:51 -0400
                        Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-06-11 10:12 +1000
                          Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-06-10 20:32 -0400
                            Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-06-10 21:02 -0500
                            Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-06-11 15:52 +1000
                              Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2018-06-11 09:07 -0400
                  Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-11 11:13 -0400
              Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 12:17 -0400
    Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 20:00 -0500
      Re: Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-09 22:55 -0400

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#688873 — Climate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions.

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-06-05 08:22 -0400
SubjectClimate Change Causes More Volcano Eruptions.
Message-ID<UgvRC.141458$wG5.79189@fx02.iad>
Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused 
by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!

Another "deadly" volcano goes off in Guatemala!

https://www.space.com/40794-fuego-volcano-eruption-satellite-photos.html

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#688908

FromLibor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com>
Date2018-06-05 20:13 +0200
Message-ID<pf6jsm$9st$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#688873
benj <benj@nobody.net> Wrote in message:
> 
> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused 
> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!

Science has also proved
the climate change caused this your posting.



-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
Miloš Forman


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#689061

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2018-06-05 21:50 -0400
Message-ID<h3fehd91lvl02q50r7cfsv5n8pr9orujan@4ax.com>
In reply to#688908
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 20:13:39 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:

>benj <benj@nobody.net> Wrote in message:
>> 
>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused 
>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>
>Science has also proved
>the climate change caused this your posting.

That's  beauty of blaming everything on "climate change" ... it causes
everything.

A phrase coined in alt.global-warming: 
 "Global-warming explains everything, its opposite and even, if
needed, the absence of any remarkable pattern."

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#689080

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-06-05 22:55 -0400
Message-ID<I2IRC.144501$mD.6384@fx31.iad>
In reply to#689061
On 6/5/2018 9:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 20:13:39 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:
> 
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>
>> Science has also proved
>> the climate change caused this your posting.
> 
> That's  beauty of blaming everything on "climate change" ... it causes
> everything.
> 
> A phrase coined in alt.global-warming:
>   "Global-warming explains everything, its opposite and even, if
> needed, the absence of any remarkable pattern."
> 
That's why they changed it to "climate change". It doesn't matter what 
weather does. If it doesn't get warmer well there is SOME kind of 
change! And even if there is none, you can still say it's due to 
"climate change"! :-)

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#689103

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2018-06-05 23:30 -0400
Message-ID<0kkehd1s56q01ouho3sa1qo7f8p7mivr1c@4ax.com>
In reply to#689080
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 22:55:18 -0400, benj wrote:

>On 6/5/2018 9:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 20:13:39 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:
>> 
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>>>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>>
>>> Science has also proved
>>> the climate change caused this your posting.
>> 
>> That's  beauty of blaming everything on "climate change" ... it causes
>> everything.
>> 
>> A phrase coined in alt.global-warming:
>>   "Global-warming explains everything, its opposite and even, if
>> needed, the absence of any remarkable pattern."
>> 
>That's why they changed it to "climate change". It doesn't matter what 
>weather does. If it doesn't get warmer well there is SOME kind of 
>change! And even if there is none, you can still say it's due to 
>"climate change"! :-)

It is ludicrous that they claim "the science is settled" when what
they have is no science at all. It can't be falsified because it
"predicts" everything.

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#689137

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-06-06 20:04 +1000
Message-ID<fnppsnF1rn0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#689103
On 6/06/2018 1:30 PM, Wally W. wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 22:55:18 -0400, benj wrote:
> 
>> On 6/5/2018 9:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 20:13:39 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:
>>>
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>>>>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>>>
>>>> Science has also proved
>>>> the climate change caused this your posting.
>>>
>>> That's  beauty of blaming everything on "climate change" ... it causes
>>> everything.
>>>
>>> A phrase coined in alt.global-warming:
>>>    "Global-warming explains everything, its opposite and even, if
>>> needed, the absence of any remarkable pattern."
>>>
>> That's why they changed it to "climate change". It doesn't matter what
>> weather does. If it doesn't get warmer well there is SOME kind of
>> change! And even if there is none, you can still say it's due to
>> "climate change"! :-)
> 
> It is ludicrous that they claim "the science is settled" when what
> they have is no science at all. It can't be falsified because it
> "predicts" everything.
> 

**Well, no, that's not so. The earliest predictions were made way back 
in the 19th century. Although not especially accurate, they were a 
pointer to what we are witnessing now:

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Arrhenius/arrhenius_2.php

Then, much later in the 1980s, we have seen the predictions made come 
perilously close to reality:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/04/evaluating-a-1981-temperature-projection/

So, I call 'bullshit' on your claim.

We have a great deal of knowledge to draw on. For instance:

* We know that CO2 is a significant GHG.
* We know that, in past epochs, that a rise in CO2 levels is ALWAYS 
followed by a rise in temperatures.
* We know that, in past epochs, that a rise in temperatures is ALWAYS 
followed by a rise in CO2 levels.
* From this, we can deduce that CO2 rise and temperature rise are 
inextricably linked.

So, you can blather on all you like, with your anti-science mumbo-jumbo, 
but the reality is that you are very, very wrong.



-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#689145

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2018-06-06 08:02 -0400
Message-ID<v9ifhd9gddhu8r72lfrehuja7c194lvnuq@4ax.com>
In reply to#689137
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:04:00 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>On 6/06/2018 1:30 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 22:55:18 -0400, benj wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6/5/2018 9:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 20:13:39 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>>>>>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>>>>
>>>>> Science has also proved
>>>>> the climate change caused this your posting.
>>>>
>>>> That's  beauty of blaming everything on "climate change" ... it causes
>>>> everything.
>>>>
>>>> A phrase coined in alt.global-warming:
>>>>    "Global-warming explains everything, its opposite and even, if
>>>> needed, the absence of any remarkable pattern."
>>>>
>>> That's why they changed it to "climate change". It doesn't matter what
>>> weather does. If it doesn't get warmer well there is SOME kind of
>>> change! And even if there is none, you can still say it's due to
>>> "climate change"! :-)
>> 
>> It is ludicrous that they claim "the science is settled" when what
>> they have is no science at all. It can't be falsified because it
>> "predicts" everything.
>> 
>
>**Well, no, that's not so. The earliest predictions 

How many predictions have been made by greenies?

How many have been accurate?

How many "tipping points" have there been so far?

>were made way back 
>in the 19th century. Although not especially accurate, 

Of what use is a prediction that isn't accurate?

Oh, wait ...

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an
endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken

>they were a 
>pointer to what we are witnessing now:

Yep ... error spewed regularly by MSM.

>https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Arrhenius/arrhenius_2.php
>
>Then, much later in the 1980s, we have seen the predictions made come 
>perilously close to reality:
>
>http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/04/evaluating-a-1981-temperature-projection/

... and then what happened?

Given enough "predictions" one of them it will be possible to spin one
of them as "accurate."

Ashleigh Brilliant — 'To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first,
and call whatever you hit the target'

http://fearandloathingingtown.blogspot.com/2011/02/monte-carlo-method.html
What it means, in practical terms, is to throw a lot of random shit at
the wall and see what sticks.


>So, I call 'bullshit' on your claim.
>
>We have a great deal of knowledge to draw on. For instance:
>
>* We know that CO2 is a significant GHG.
>* We know that, in past epochs, that a rise in CO2 levels is ALWAYS 
>followed by a rise in temperatures.
>* We know that, in past epochs, that a rise in temperatures is ALWAYS 
>followed by a rise in CO2 levels.

As I quoted: "Global-warming explains everything, its opposite ..."

It looks like you're playing the tautology game again:
In an infinte sine wave, a peak is always followed by a trough, and a
trough is always followed by a peak.

It is meaningless mumbo-jumbo that makes no useful point in this
context ... if one actually thinks about what was said, instead of
being provoked to a mindless, greenie-style reaction.

>* From this, we can deduce that CO2 rise and temperature rise are 
>inextricably linked.

I seem to disagree with your definition of "deduce."

>So, you can blather on all you like, with your anti-science mumbo-jumbo, 
>but the reality is that you are very, very wrong.

What anti-science?

If I am wrong, where is the quintessential, falsifiable experiment
that supports the AGW FUD?

Spewing "there is *so* a greenhouse effect" is useless:

https://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2015/04/07/asking-the-wrong-question/
To ferociously insist – as politicians and activists do – that
man-made climate change is real is meaningless. That remark is worthy
of a child. It demonstrates no sophistication whatsoever.

Are you smarter than a fifth-grader?

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#689146

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2018-06-06 07:27 -0500
Message-ID<pf8jv3$245$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#689145
On 6/6/2018 7:02 AM, Wally W. wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:04:00 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> 
>> On 6/06/2018 1:30 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 22:55:18 -0400, benj wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/5/2018 9:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 20:13:39 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>>>>>>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Science has also proved
>>>>>> the climate change caused this your posting.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's  beauty of blaming everything on "climate change" ... it causes
>>>>> everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> A phrase coined in alt.global-warming:
>>>>>    "Global-warming explains everything, its opposite and even, if
>>>>> needed, the absence of any remarkable pattern."
>>>>>
>>>> That's why they changed it to "climate change". It doesn't matter what
>>>> weather does. If it doesn't get warmer well there is SOME kind of
>>>> change! And even if there is none, you can still say it's due to
>>>> "climate change"! :-)
>>>
>>> It is ludicrous that they claim "the science is settled" when what
>>> they have is no science at all. It can't be falsified because it
>>> "predicts" everything.
>>>
>>
>> **Well, no, that's not so. The earliest predictions 
> 
> How many predictions have been made by greenies?
> 
> How many have been accurate?
> 
> How many "tipping points" have there been so far?
> 
>> were made way back 
>> in the 19th century. Although not especially accurate, 
> 
> Of what use is a prediction that isn't accurate?
> 
> Oh, wait ...
> 
> "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
> (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an
> endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken
> 
>> they were a 
>> pointer to what we are witnessing now:
> 
> Yep ... error spewed regularly by MSM.
> 
>> https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Arrhenius/arrhenius_2.php
>>
>> Then, much later in the 1980s, we have seen the predictions made come 
>> perilously close to reality:
>>
>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/04/evaluating-a-1981-temperature-projection/
> 
> ... and then what happened?
> 
> Given enough "predictions" one of them it will be possible to spin one
> of them as "accurate."
> 
> Ashleigh Brilliant — 'To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first,
> and call whatever you hit the target'
> 
> http://fearandloathingingtown.blogspot.com/2011/02/monte-carlo-method.html
> What it means, in practical terms, is to throw a lot of random shit at
> the wall and see what sticks.
> 
> 
>> So, I call 'bullshit' on your claim.
>>
>> We have a great deal of knowledge to draw on. For instance:
>>
>> * We know that CO2 is a significant GHG.

yet CO2 is less than 1/5 of what Water Vapor does, the dominant GHG.

>> * We know that, in past epochs, that a rise in CO2 levels is ALWAYS 
>> followed by a rise in temperatures.

wrong, Al Gore's movie shows a graphic where rise in temperature is
followed by CO2 rise. The graphic clearly shows little corrolation.


> As I quoted: "Global-warming explains everything, its opposite ..."
> 
> It looks like you're playing the tautology game again:
> In an infinte sine wave, a peak is always followed by a trough, and a
> trough is always followed by a peak.
> 
> It is meaningless mumbo-jumbo that makes no useful point in this
> context ... if one actually thinks about what was said, instead of
> being provoked to a mindless, greenie-style reaction.
> 
>> * From this, we can deduce that CO2 rise and temperature rise are 
>> inextricably linked.

no, you are guessing,
   what is effect of Water Vapor on this?
   What about the Dinosoure ages, where plants were huge,

Al Gores Graph showing Temps rising BEFORE CO2
http://www.habitat21.co.uk/al-gore-graph.jpg

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/the-mathematics-of-carbon-dioxide-part-2/


> 
> I seem to disagree with your definition of "deduce."
> 
>> So, you can blather on all you like, with your anti-science mumbo-jumbo, 
>> but the reality is that you are very, very wrong.
> 
> What anti-science?
> 
> If I am wrong, where is the quintessential, falsifiable experiment
> that supports the AGW FUD?
> 
> Spewing "there is *so* a greenhouse effect" is useless:
> 
> https://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2015/04/07/asking-the-wrong-question/
> To ferociously insist – as politicians and activists do – that
> man-made climate change is real is meaningless. That remark is worthy
> of a child. It demonstrates no sophistication whatsoever.
> 
> Are you smarter than a fifth-grader?
> 

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#689209

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-06-06 16:26 -0400
Message-ID<TrXRC.277389$LR2.255071@fx41.iad>
In reply to#689146
On 6/6/2018 8:27 AM, Sergio wrote:
> On 6/6/2018 7:02 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:04:00 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/06/2018 1:30 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 22:55:18 -0400, benj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/5/2018 9:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 20:13:39 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>>>>>>>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Science has also proved
>>>>>>> the climate change caused this your posting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's  beauty of blaming everything on "climate change" ... it causes
>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A phrase coined in alt.global-warming:
>>>>>>     "Global-warming explains everything, its opposite and even, if
>>>>>> needed, the absence of any remarkable pattern."
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's why they changed it to "climate change". It doesn't matter what
>>>>> weather does. If it doesn't get warmer well there is SOME kind of
>>>>> change! And even if there is none, you can still say it's due to
>>>>> "climate change"! :-)
>>>>
>>>> It is ludicrous that they claim "the science is settled" when what
>>>> they have is no science at all. It can't be falsified because it
>>>> "predicts" everything.
>>>>
>>>
>>> **Well, no, that's not so. The earliest predictions
>>
>> How many predictions have been made by greenies?
>>
>> How many have been accurate?
>>
>> How many "tipping points" have there been so far?
>>
>>> were made way back
>>> in the 19th century. Although not especially accurate,
>>
>> Of what use is a prediction that isn't accurate?
>>
>> Oh, wait ...
>>
>> "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
>> (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an
>> endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken
>>
>>> they were a
>>> pointer to what we are witnessing now:
>>
>> Yep ... error spewed regularly by MSM.
>>
>>> https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Arrhenius/arrhenius_2.php
>>>
>>> Then, much later in the 1980s, we have seen the predictions made come
>>> perilously close to reality:
>>>
>>> http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/04/evaluating-a-1981-temperature-projection/
>>
>> ... and then what happened?
>>
>> Given enough "predictions" one of them it will be possible to spin one
>> of them as "accurate."
>>
>> Ashleigh Brilliant — 'To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first,
>> and call whatever you hit the target'
>>
>> http://fearandloathingingtown.blogspot.com/2011/02/monte-carlo-method.html
>> What it means, in practical terms, is to throw a lot of random shit at
>> the wall and see what sticks.
>>
>>
>>> So, I call 'bullshit' on your claim.
>>>
>>> We have a great deal of knowledge to draw on. For instance:
>>>
>>> * We know that CO2 is a significant GHG.
> 
> yet CO2 is less than 1/5 of what Water Vapor does, the dominant GHG.
> 
>>> * We know that, in past epochs, that a rise in CO2 levels is ALWAYS
>>> followed by a rise in temperatures.
> 
> wrong, Al Gore's movie shows a graphic where rise in temperature is
> followed by CO2 rise. The graphic clearly shows little corrolation.

Trevor is a science moron, Sergio. What in hell kind of argument that a 
rise in CO2 is "followed sometime" by a rise in temperature. That's 
senile blather. It's not even correlation, of which there is NONE 
because from 1940 to 1970 CO2 went UP and Temperature went DOWN! The 
"delay": argument is nonsense as well since the "accepted" theory of 
radiative forcing is an immediate action.


>> As I quoted: "Global-warming explains everything, its opposite ..."
>>
>> It looks like you're playing the tautology game again:
>> In an infinte sine wave, a peak is always followed by a trough, and a
>> trough is always followed by a peak.
>>
>> It is meaningless mumbo-jumbo that makes no useful point in this
>> context ... if one actually thinks about what was said, instead of
>> being provoked to a mindless, greenie-style reaction.
>>
>>> * From this, we can deduce that CO2 rise and temperature rise are
>>> inextricably linked.
> 
> no, you are guessing,
>     what is effect of Water Vapor on this?
>     What about the Dinosoure ages, where plants were huge,
> 
> Al Gores Graph showing Temps rising BEFORE CO2
> http://www.habitat21.co.uk/al-gore-graph.jpg
> 
> https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/the-mathematics-of-carbon-dioxide-part-2/
> 
> 
>>
>> I seem to disagree with your definition of "deduce."
>>
>>> So, you can blather on all you like, with your anti-science mumbo-jumbo,
>>> but the reality is that you are very, very wrong.
>>
>> What anti-science?
>>
>> If I am wrong, where is the quintessential, falsifiable experiment
>> that supports the AGW FUD?
>>
>> Spewing "there is *so* a greenhouse effect" is useless:
>>
>> https://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2015/04/07/asking-the-wrong-question/
>> To ferociously insist – as politicians and activists do – that
>> man-made climate change is real is meaningless. That remark is worthy
>> of a child. It demonstrates no sophistication whatsoever.
>>
>> Are you smarter than a fifth-grader?
>>
> 

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#689205

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-06-06 16:10 -0400
Message-ID<sdXRC.127351$%s2.13644@fx18.iad>
In reply to#689103
On 6/5/2018 11:30 PM, Wally W. wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 22:55:18 -0400, benj wrote:
> 
>> On 6/5/2018 9:50 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 20:13:39 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:
>>>
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>>>>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>>>
>>>> Science has also proved
>>>> the climate change caused this your posting.
>>>
>>> That's  beauty of blaming everything on "climate change" ... it causes
>>> everything.
>>>
>>> A phrase coined in alt.global-warming:
>>>    "Global-warming explains everything, its opposite and even, if
>>> needed, the absence of any remarkable pattern."
>>>
>> That's why they changed it to "climate change". It doesn't matter what
>> weather does. If it doesn't get warmer well there is SOME kind of
>> change! And even if there is none, you can still say it's due to
>> "climate change"! :-)
> 
> It is ludicrous that they claim "the science is settled" when what
> they have is no science at all. It can't be falsified because it
> "predicts" everything.
> 
Heh! With one breath they swear "the science is settled" and then in the 
next breath they are wringing their hands saying "scientists report it's 
worse than they thought!" Can you say utter nonsense? I knew that you 
could.

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#689085

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-06-06 13:11 +1000
Message-ID<fnp1ncFs16tU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#688873
On 5/06/2018 10:22 PM, benj wrote:
> 
> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused 
> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!

**Really? Cite your peer-reviewed science to support your insane claim.

I won't hold my breath.

As usual, you reveal your enormous depth of ignorance about how 
scientific investigation works.


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#689204

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-06-06 16:07 -0400
Message-ID<naXRC.206862$6C5.104443@fx07.iad>
In reply to#689085
On 6/5/2018 11:11 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 5/06/2018 10:22 PM, benj wrote:
>>
>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused 
>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
> 
> **Really? Cite your peer-reviewed science to support your insane claim.
> 
> I won't hold my breath.
> 
> As usual, you reveal your enormous depth of ignorance about how 
> scientific investigation works.

And you reveal your enormous depth of ignorance as to how "climate 
change" propaganda works. In your world some journalist blather or 
pseudo-scientific paper by some failed cartoonist is what passes for proof.

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#689610

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-06-09 15:33 +1000
Message-ID<fo1761Fe3t1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#689204
On 7/06/2018 6:07 AM, benj wrote:
> On 6/5/2018 11:11 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 5/06/2018 10:22 PM, benj wrote:
>>>
>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are 
>>> caused by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>
>> **Really? Cite your peer-reviewed science to support your insane claim.
>>
>> I won't hold my breath.
>>
>> As usual, you reveal your enormous depth of ignorance about how 
>> scientific investigation works.
> 
> And you reveal your enormous depth of ignorance as to how "climate 
> change" propaganda works. In your world some journalist blather or 
> pseudo-scientific paper by some failed cartoonist is what passes for proof.
> 

**Again:

Cite your peer-reviewed science to support your insane claim.

-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#689335

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2018-06-07 11:35 -0700
Message-ID<2c45b7f5-9ac5-479e-8b79-a889714a9af5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#688873
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 5:23:19 AM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused 
> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
> 
> Another "deadly" volcano goes off in Guatemala!
> 
> https://www.space.com/40794-fuego-volcano-eruption-satellite-photos.html

Reality is volcanoes can create weather change.Bert

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#689357

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2018-06-07 12:30 -0700
Message-ID<pfc15e$qgd$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#689335
Idiot "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> wrote:
"I am a proud Jew with a Superiority complex & an
IQ of 122", and "I know how everything works." Bert
which is why "I park & bark in the dark." Bert
"I'm of low wit & a stupid shit and full of it." Bert

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#689371

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-06-07 16:43 -0400
Message-ID<ZNgSC.215304$o43.15206@fx33.iad>
In reply to#689335
On 6/7/2018 2:35 PM, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 5:23:19 AM UTC-7, benj wrote:
>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>
>> Another "deadly" volcano goes off in Guatemala!
>>
>> https://www.space.com/40794-fuego-volcano-eruption-satellite-photos.html
> 
> Reality is volcanoes can create weather change.Bert
> 
And Climate change can create volcanic eruptions! That is a given.

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#689611

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-06-09 15:34 +1000
Message-ID<fo1771Fe3t1U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#689371
On 8/06/2018 6:43 AM, benj wrote:
> On 6/7/2018 2:35 PM, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 5:23:19 AM UTC-7, benj wrote:
>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>>
>>> Another "deadly" volcano goes off in Guatemala!
>>>
>>> https://www.space.com/40794-fuego-volcano-eruption-satellite-photos.html
>>
>> Reality is volcanoes can create weather change.Bert
>>
> And Climate change can create volcanic eruptions! That is a given.

**Cite your peer-reviewed science to support your insane claim.

-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#689619

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2018-06-09 02:15 -0400
Message-ID<jormhdlimos4ao9ttvdfttmoc710jmr229@4ax.com>
In reply to#689611
On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 15:34:15 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>On 8/06/2018 6:43 AM, benj wrote:
>> On 6/7/2018 2:35 PM, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 5:23:19 AM UTC-7, benj wrote:
>>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>>>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>>>
>>>> Another "deadly" volcano goes off in Guatemala!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.space.com/40794-fuego-volcano-eruption-satellite-photos.html
>>>
>>> Reality is volcanoes can create weather change.Bert
>>>
>> And Climate change can create volcanic eruptions! That is a given.
>
>**Cite your peer-reviewed science to support your insane claim.

Can you use Google?

There is no shortage of FUD like this:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/get-ready-for-more-volcanic-eruptions-as-the-planet-warms/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171123095405.htm

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/946883/volcano-eruption-global-warming-climate-change-melting-ice-caps-mount-meager

http://www.businessinsider.com/volcano-eruptions-increase-japan-philippines-warming-climate-glacial-retreat-2018-1

... b .. bu ... but ... those aren't peer reviewed.

Some here seem to have lost respect for them, but do you want to call
Scientific American insane?

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#689629

FromTrevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au>
Date2018-06-09 19:28 +1000
Message-ID<fo1kuoFgi8aU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#689619
On 9/06/2018 4:15 PM, Wally W. wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 15:34:15 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> 
>> On 8/06/2018 6:43 AM, benj wrote:
>>> On 6/7/2018 2:35 PM, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 5:23:19 AM UTC-7, benj wrote:
>>>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>>>>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>>>>
>>>>> Another "deadly" volcano goes off in Guatemala!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.space.com/40794-fuego-volcano-eruption-satellite-photos.html
>>>>
>>>> Reality is volcanoes can create weather change.Bert
>>>>
>>> And Climate change can create volcanic eruptions! That is a given.
>>
>> **Cite your peer-reviewed science to support your insane claim.
> 
> Can you use Google?

**Sure. Can you? Can benj? Obviously not.

> 
> There is no shortage of FUD like this:
> 
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/get-ready-for-more-volcanic-eruptions-as-the-planet-warms/
> 
> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171123095405.htm
> 
> https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/946883/volcano-eruption-global-warming-climate-change-melting-ice-caps-mount-meager
> 
> http://www.businessinsider.com/volcano-eruptions-increase-japan-philippines-warming-climate-glacial-retreat-2018-1
> 
> ... b .. bu ... but ... those aren't peer reviewed.

**Then why would you imagine I am interested in a non peer-reviewed 
scientific article.

> 
> Some here seem to have lost respect for them, but do you want to call
> Scientific American insane?

**Just benj.



-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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#689654

FromWally W. <ww84wa@aim.com>
Date2018-06-09 11:43 -0400
Message-ID<k7snhdpod87hdfotbi1on0i8cqm771k46h@4ax.com>
In reply to#689629
On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 19:28:45 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>On 9/06/2018 4:15 PM, Wally W. wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 15:34:15 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/06/2018 6:43 AM, benj wrote:
>>>> On 6/7/2018 2:35 PM, reber G=emc^2 wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 5:23:19 AM UTC-7, benj wrote:
>>>>>> Science already has proved that the Hawaiian lave eruptions are caused
>>>>>> by climate change but now it's worse than scientists thought!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another "deadly" volcano goes off in Guatemala!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.space.com/40794-fuego-volcano-eruption-satellite-photos.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is volcanoes can create weather change.Bert
>>>>>
>>>> And Climate change can create volcanic eruptions! That is a given.
>>>
>>> **Cite your peer-reviewed science to support your insane claim.
>> 
>> Can you use Google?
>
>**Sure. Can you? Can benj? Obviously not.
>
>> 
>> There is no shortage of FUD like this:
>> 
>> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/get-ready-for-more-volcanic-eruptions-as-the-planet-warms/
>> 
>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171123095405.htm
>> 
>> https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/946883/volcano-eruption-global-warming-climate-change-melting-ice-caps-mount-meager
>> 
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/volcano-eruptions-increase-japan-philippines-warming-climate-glacial-retreat-2018-1
>> 
>> ... b .. bu ... but ... those aren't peer reviewed.
>
>**Then why would you imagine I am interested in a non peer-reviewed 
>scientific article.

Then perhaps you would like to read a source paper from one of my
links:

Geology (2017) 46 (1): 47-50.
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1130/G39633.1
Published: November 16, 2017

This is one article mentioned in my links.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171123095405.htm
The findings, published in the journal Geology, 

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_(journal)>
Geology is a peer-reviewed publication of the Geological Society of
America (GSA).


What are you going to do now that you have what you asked for?

Why did you ask for it?

Are you going to withdraw your charge of insanity?

How many times have we seen a preponderance of evidence provoke a
greenie to ask a question intended to prop up the "uncertainty" part
of their FUD mission ... when they weren't playing the tautology game
or flat out lying.


>> 
>> Some here seem to have lost respect for them, but do you want to call
>> Scientific American insane?
>
>**Just benj.

So it's a personal issue, supported by neither science nor religion?

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