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  Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 17:03 -0600
    Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-19 23:54 +0000
      Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 19:23 -0600
        Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-20 02:45 +0000
      Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-20 06:41 -0500
        Re: How could Einstein have known that, back in 1917 ? ! Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 06:06 -0800
        Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 09:31 -0600
          Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 16:59 +0100
            Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 10:03 -0600
            Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-11-21 11:51 -0500
          Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-20 15:24 -0500
          Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-20 14:04 -0800
            Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 17:06 -0600
        Re: How could Einstein have known that, back in 1917 ? ! "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 13:32 -0800
        Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-11-21 11:36 -0500
        Re: How could Einstein have known that, back in 1917 ? ! Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-11-21 11:47 -0500
    Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-11-20 16:17 -0500
      Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 17:07 -0600
    Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 23:26 -0800

#534111 — Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols

Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJsFsjSWYx0


> Albert Einstein did amazing things with General Relativity - but he
> famously got it wrong when it came to the expansion of the Universe.
>
> Einstein's Blackboard: https://youtu.be/KIwpGEvmgvs
>
> More relativity videos (with Mike Merrifield): http://bit.ly/Gamma3
>
> More long interviews with Ed: http://bit.ly/CopelandGoesLong


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#534113

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJsFsjSWYx0
> 
> 
>> Albert Einstein did amazing things with General Relativity - but he
>> famously got it wrong when it came to the expansion of the Universe.
>>
>> Einstein's Blackboard: https://youtu.be/KIwpGEvmgvs
>>
>> More relativity videos (with Mike Merrifield): http://bit.ly/Gamma3
>>
>> More long interviews with Ed: http://bit.ly/CopelandGoesLong
 
An interview with Weird Al Yankovic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga9Xa_mA5FA

As Intimate interview with Weird Al Yankovic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4WK-l_XyEw

Yet another interview with Weird Al Yankovic. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSE8DE0Tdh0


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#534132

On 11/19/15 5:54 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> An interview with Weird Al Yankovic.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga9Xa_mA5FA
>
> As Intimate interview with Weird Al Yankovic.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4WK-l_XyEw
>
> Yet another interview with Weird Al Yankovic.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSE8DE0Tdh0


   I enjoyed these. Thanks.

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#534147

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/19/15 5:54 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> An interview with Weird Al Yankovic.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga9Xa_mA5FA
>>
>> As Intimate interview with Weird Al Yankovic.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4WK-l_XyEw
>>
>> Yet another interview with Weird Al Yankovic.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSE8DE0Tdh0
> 
> 
>   I enjoyed these. Thanks.

Much better than anything you have ever posted. 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#534169

On 11/19/2015 6:54 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJsFsjSWYx0
>>
>>
>>> Albert Einstein did amazing things with General Relativity - but he
>>> famously got it wrong when it came to the expansion of the Universe.
>>>
>>> Einstein's Blackboard: https://youtu.be/KIwpGEvmgvs
>>>
>>> More relativity videos (with Mike Merrifield): http://bit.ly/Gamma3
>>>
>>> More long interviews with Ed: http://bit.ly/CopelandGoesLong

I watched the first video and was left wondering why Einstein was so 
invested in proving the Universe was static. He proved himself quite 
able to think outside the box in most endeavors with the exception of 
this particular question.

> An interview with Weird Al Yankovic.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga9Xa_mA5FA
>
> As Intimate interview with Weird Al Yankovic.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4WK-l_XyEw
>
> Yet another interview with Weird Al Yankovic.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSE8DE0Tdh0

Although these were entertaining I found the Einstein videos more 
interesting.

-- 
dvus

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#534174 — Re: How could Einstein have known that, back in 1917 ? !

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 7:46:45 AM UTC-5, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>  
> Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder
> 
> Adam G. Riess, in 1998, was _shocked_ to find evidence
> that the expansion of the Universe is accelerating.
> 
> Today, we know that Einstein's 1917 cosmological constant
> is positive -- the expansion is accelerating due to 
> "dark energy" (entropy).
> 
> How could Einstein have known that, back in 1917,
> 81 years before Adam G. Riess ? !

It's surprising that you do not know this how How HOW! (Light Entropy Squared!)

-- Mahipal "Even when wrong, right. When right, well ...youKnow."

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#534183

On 11/20/15 5:41 AM, dvus wrote:
> On 11/19/2015 6:54 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJsFsjSWYx0
>>>
>>>
>>>> Albert Einstein did amazing things with General Relativity - but he
>>>> famously got it wrong when it came to the expansion of the Universe.
>>>>
>>>> Einstein's Blackboard: https://youtu.be/KIwpGEvmgvs
>>>>
>>>> More relativity videos (with Mike Merrifield): http://bit.ly/Gamma3
>>>>
>>>> More long interviews with Ed: http://bit.ly/CopelandGoesLong
>
> I watched the first video and was left wondering why Einstein was so
> invested in proving the Universe was static. He proved himself quite
> able to think outside the box in most endeavors with the exception of
> this particular question.
>

   I does seem mysterious the effort to defend a static universe. It also
   is curious that after 1931, Einstein pretty much abandoned doing
   anything with general relativity.

   I guess we should be satisfied the Einstein gave us a fruitful
   relativity theory and contributed in many ways to the quantum
   mechanics.


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#534192

On 11/20/2015 04:31 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 11/20/15 5:41 AM, dvus wrote:
>>
>> I watched the first video and was left wondering why Einstein was so
>> invested in proving the Universe was static. He proved himself quite
>> able to think outside the box in most endeavors with the exception of
>> this particular question.
>>
> 
>    I does seem mysterious the effort to defend a static universe. ..

Einstein was not focused on proving static universe.

Einstein was focused on fitting the GR on experimental data,
as data were saying in his time that universe was static,
in contrary to GR, saying it should be dynamic.

When universe expansion was discovered,
Einstein stated it was his biggest mistake
to introduce the cosmological constant into GR..

As accelerated expansion was discovered recently,
it seems it was not a mistake.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes a great man humble, but a small man arrogant.

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#534195

On 11/20/15 9:59 AM, Poutnik wrote:
> On 11/20/2015 04:31 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> On 11/20/15 5:41 AM, dvus wrote:
>>>
>>> I watched the first video and was left wondering why Einstein was so
>>> invested in proving the Universe was static. He proved himself quite
>>> able to think outside the box in most endeavors with the exception of
>>> this particular question.
>>>
>>
>>     I does seem mysterious the effort to defend a static universe. ..
>
> Einstein was not focused on proving static universe.
>
> Einstein was focused on fitting the GR on experimental data,
> as data were saying in his time that universe was static,
> in contrary to GR, saying it should be dynamic.
>
> When universe expansion was discovered,
> Einstein stated it was his biggest mistake
> to introduce the cosmological constant into GR..
>
> As accelerated expansion was discovered recently,
> it seems it was not a mistake.
>


   Yes -- Thank you for that clarification.



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#534374

On 20/11/2015 10:59 AM, Poutnik wrote:
> Einstein was not focused on proving static universe.
>
> Einstein was focused on fitting the GR on experimental data,
> as data were saying in his time that universe was static,
> in contrary to GR, saying it should be dynamic.
>
> When universe expansion was discovered,
> Einstein stated it was his biggest mistake
> to introduce the cosmological constant into GR..
>
> As accelerated expansion was discovered recently,
> it seems it was not a mistake.

It was a mistake in the sense that he was looking for a Dark Energy that 
would exactly balance the expansion rate and make it static. Instead we 
got a Dark Energy that supercharges the expansion rate.

	Yousuf Khan

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#534251

On 11/20/2015 10:31 AM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 11/20/15 5:41 AM, dvus wrote:
>> On 11/19/2015 6:54 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJsFsjSWYx0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Albert Einstein did amazing things with General Relativity - but he
>>>>> famously got it wrong when it came to the expansion of the Universe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Einstein's Blackboard: https://youtu.be/KIwpGEvmgvs
>>>>>
>>>>> More relativity videos (with Mike Merrifield): http://bit.ly/Gamma3
>>>>>
>>>>> More long interviews with Ed: http://bit.ly/CopelandGoesLong
>>
>> I watched the first video and was left wondering why Einstein was so
>> invested in proving the Universe was static. He proved himself quite
>> able to think outside the box in most endeavors with the exception of
>> this particular question.
>>
>
>    I does seem mysterious the effort to defend a static universe. It also
>    is curious that after 1931, Einstein pretty much abandoned doing
>    anything with general relativity.

The video indicated he was so immersed in calculating a GUT that he had 
no time for other work.

>    I guess we should be satisfied the Einstein gave us a fruitful
>    relativity theory and contributed in many ways to the quantum
>    mechanics.

No doubt about it.

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#534261

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 7:31:55 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 11/20/15 5:41 AM, dvus wrote:
> > On 11/19/2015 6:54 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> >> Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJsFsjSWYx0
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Albert Einstein did amazing things with General Relativity - but he
> >>>> famously got it wrong when it came to the expansion of the Universe.
> >>>>
> >>>> Einstein's Blackboard: https://youtu.be/KIwpGEvmgvs
> >>>>
> >>>> More relativity videos (with Mike Merrifield): http://bit.ly/Gamma3
> >>>>
> >>>> More long interviews with Ed: http://bit.ly/CopelandGoesLong
> >
> > I watched the first video and was left wondering why Einstein was so
> > invested in proving the Universe was static. He proved himself quite
> > able to think outside the box in most endeavors with the exception of
> > this particular question.
> >
> 
>    I does seem mysterious the effort to defend a static universe. It also
>    is curious that after 1931, Einstein pretty much abandoned doing
>    anything with general relativity.
> 
>    I guess we should be satisfied the Einstein gave us a fruitful
>    relativity theory and contributed in many ways to the quantum
>    mechanics.


Einstein was always right, you know.

Double-A

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#534282

On 11/20/15 4:04 PM, Double-A wrote:
> On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 7:31:55 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote:

>>
>>     I does seem mysterious the effort to defend a static universe. It also
>>     is curious that after 1931, Einstein pretty much abandoned doing
>>     anything with general relativity.
>>
>>     I guess we should be satisfied the Einstein gave us a fruitful
>>     relativity theory and contributed in many ways to the quantum
>>     mechanics.
>
>
> Einstein was always right, you know.
>
> Double-A
>

   At least about relativity and the relationships between space, time
   and gravitation.



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#534255 — Re: How could Einstein have known that, back in 1917 ? !

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 4:46:45 AM UTC-8, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>  
> Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder
> 
> Adam G. Riess, in 1998, was _shocked_ to find evidence
> that the expansion of the Universe is accelerating.
> 
> Today, we know that Einstein's 1917 cosmological constant
> is positive -- the expansion is accelerating due to 
> "dark energy" (entropy).
> 
> How could Einstein have known that, back in 1917,
> 81 years before Adam G. Riess ? !

The cosmological constant has a non-zero, 
vanishing positive value, a mathematical 
"infinitesimal", steadfastly of the flat 
and curving as the curving and flattening 
of the flat and curved, it's Einstein's 
BIGGEST not-a-blunder.

Largely he held the realm of the 
Gendankenexperiment and also he had much 
input of contemporaries.  There really is 
much of the "cause and effect" of physics 
in terms of neatly and readily tractable 
Gedankenexperiment or gedanken.

We can all be probabilistic and 
deterministic both, that probability 
models the outcomes quite underneath 
measurement is not a fact of the 
actions' indeterminacy, at all, instead 
the simple acknowledgement of _all the 
other actions_, that so contribute 
their determinacy in effect.

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#534371

On 20/11/2015 6:41 AM, dvus wrote:
> I watched the first video and was left wondering why Einstein was so
> invested in proving the Universe was static. He proved himself quite
> able to think outside the box in most endeavors with the exception of
> this particular question.

It was the prevailing theory of the day.

	Yousuf Khan

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#534373 — Re: How could Einstein have known that, back in 1917 ? !

On 20/11/2015 7:46 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> Re: Einstein's Famous Blunder Adam G. Riess, in 1998, was _shocked_ to
> find evidence that the expansion of the Universe is accelerating. Today,
> we know that Einstein's 1917 cosmological constant is positive -- the
> expansion is accelerating due to "dark energy" (entropy). How could
> Einstein have known that, back in 1917, 81 years before Adam G. Riess ? !

Well, the simple answer to that is, that Einstein had no idea that a 
Dark Energy would exist that would result in the expansion of the 
universe accelerating. Instead, he was looking for a Dark Energy that 
would result in the expansion of the universe to stay exactly static.

But as the video showed, even if he found the exact right value of Dark 
Energy to keep the universe static, it was an unstable static. Unstable 
in the sense of how a pencil balanced on its tip is static for very 
little time before it falls over again. It was the same sort of 
stability that the universe would have if it were static. Any little 
movement will cause that entire static nature to come apart. It was this 
argument that finally won Einstein over, that his equations were 
unstable at maintaining a static universe.

	Yousuf Khan

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#534254

On 19/11/2015 6:03 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJsFsjSWYx0

I like this one because they didn't shy away from showing equations. And 
they exactly explained the equations and what they are doing along the way.

	Yousuf Khan

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#534283

On 11/20/15 3:17 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 19/11/2015 6:03 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJsFsjSWYx0
>
> I like this one because they didn't shy away from showing equations. And
> they exactly explained the equations and what they are doing along the way.
>
>      Yousuf Khan
>

   Yes, I enjoyed that also.


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#534518

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 1:03:08 AM UTC+2, Sam Wormley wrote:
> Einstein's Famous Blunder - Sixty Symbols
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJsFsjSWYx0
> 
> 
> > Albert Einstein did amazing things with General Relativity - but he
> > famously got it wrong when it came to the expansion of the Universe.
> >
> > Einstein's Blackboard: https://youtu.be/KIwpGEvmgvs
> >
> > More relativity videos (with Mike Merrifield): http://bit.ly/Gamma3
> >
> > More long interviews with Ed: http://bit.ly/CopelandGoesLong
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
> community, and physics-related social issues.
==================================
SR is right !!

while GR  with its 'curved space'
is shear physics stupidity 

space has no properties except hosting mass 
while mass is the main hero of physics 
===========================================
NO MASS - THE ONLY MASS - NO REAL PHYSICS 
===========================================
Y.Porat
=============================

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