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  Does this sound familiar ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-19 04:48 -0700
    Re: Does this sound familiar ? Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-19 09:19 -0500
      Karl Marx lived it. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-19 08:08 -0700
        Re: Karl Marx lived it. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-19 10:23 -0500
          Marx lied. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-19 08:53 -0700
            Re: Marx lied. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-19 08:59 -0700
              Re: Marx lied. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-19 11:04 -0500
                Re: Marx lied. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-19 09:11 -0700
                  Re: Marx lied. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-19 11:24 -0500
                    Re: Marx lied. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-19 11:55 -0500
                      Re: Marx lied. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-19 17:06 -0400
                        Re: Marx lied. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-20 07:50 -0500
                          Re: Marx lied. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-21 03:11 +0000
                            Somali pirates tax ships, as (para)governments do. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-21 11:36 -0700
                              Re: Somali pirates tax ships, as (para)governments do. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-21 17:33 -0400
                                It's my fault. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-21 15:20 -0700
                                  Re: It's my fault. onion@anon.invalid (Mr On!on) - 2018-06-21 23:29 +0100
                                    Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-21 16:05 -0700
                                      Re: Everything decays, even gravity; hence the arrow of time. onion@anon.invalid (Mr On!on) - 2018-06-22 00:25 +0100
                                        The first goal of ThermoDynamics. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-21 22:34 -0700
                                          Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-06-22 13:50 +0000
                                          Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. onion@anon.invalid (Mr On!on) - 2018-06-22 20:24 +0100
                                            Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 12:39 -0700
                                              Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. onion@anon.invalid (Mr On!on) - 2018-06-22 20:55 +0100
                                                Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 13:01 -0700
                                                  Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. onion@anon.invalid (Mr On!on) - 2018-06-22 21:15 +0100
                                                    Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 13:18 -0700
                                                      Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. onion@anon.invalid (Mr On!on) - 2018-06-22 21:31 +0100
                                                        Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-22 22:13 +0000
                                                          Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. Checkmate <ricksabian1@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 15:25 -0700
                                                            Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-22 22:30 +0000
                                                              Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. onion@anon.invalid (Mr On!on) - 2018-06-22 23:38 +0100
                                                            Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-22 21:01 -0400
                                                          Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. onion@anon.invalid (Mr On!on) - 2018-06-22 23:33 +0100
                                                          Re: The first goal of ThermoDynamics. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-22 20:59 -0400
                                    Re: It's my fault. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-21 21:24 -0400
                                  Re: It's my fault. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-21 21:23 -0400
                    Re: Marx lied. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-19 16:54 -0400
                      Re: Marx lied. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-19 16:04 -0500
                        Re: Marx lied. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-19 18:31 -0400
                          Re: Marx lied. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-19 19:13 -0500
                  Re: Marx lied. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-19 16:52 -0400
                Marxism didn't work for Marx himself, nor anyone else. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-19 17:36 -0700
                  Re: Marxism didn't work for Marx himself, nor anyone else. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-19 20:07 -0500
              Re: Marx lied. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-19 16:46 -0400
                Re: Marx lied. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-19 16:03 -0500
                  SuperDeterminism is a better religion. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-19 18:14 -0700
                    Re: SuperDeterminism is a better religion. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2018-06-20 03:21 +0000
                      Does "Bell's Inequality" require perfect knowledge ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-19 23:35 -0700
                        Re: Does "Bell's Inequality" require perfect knowledge ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 12:17 -0400
                          Re: Does "Bell's Inequality" require perfect knowledge ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 21:13 -0700
                    Re: SuperDeterminism is a better religion. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-20 12:14 -0400
                Re: Marx lied. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-19 14:15 -0700
                  Re: Marx lied. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-19 18:17 -0400
                    Re: Marx lied. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-19 15:29 -0700
            Re: Marx lied. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-19 11:00 -0500
              Not one of Karl Marx's 8 kids did well. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-19 17:28 -0700
                Re: Not one of Karl Marx's 8 kids did well. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-19 19:34 -0500
                  When sane, you prefer the LeastBad "option", not perfection. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-20 01:40 -0700
                    Re: When sane, you prefer the LeastBad "option", not perfection. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 01:48 -0700
          Re: Karl Marx lived it. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-19 11:58 -0400
            Re: Karl Marx lived it. Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder Emeritus 🐶笛 <root@127.0.0.1> - 2018-06-19 11:09 -0500
    Re: Does this sound familiar ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-19 11:26 -0400
    Re: Does this sound familiar ? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-06-19 14:12 -0700
      "Marxism" is a euphemism for "Feudalism". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-19 18:24 -0700
        Re: "Marxism" is a euphemism for "Feudalism". Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-20 01:32 -0700

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#691305 — Re: Marx lied.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:31:02 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "benj
<benj@nobody.net>" determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<IufWC.313149$LR2.224842@fx41.iad>:
 
>On 6/19/2018 5:04 PM, Your Friendly Neighbourhood 🐶 Whistle Holder
>Emeritus 🐶笛 wrote:
>>On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 16:54:27 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "benj
>><benj@nobody.net>" determined that the following was of great
>>importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
>><94eWC.155618$Mj2.17874@fx22.iad>:   
>>>On 6/19/2018 12:24 PM, Your Friendly Neighbourhood 🐶 Whistle Holder
>>>Emeritus 🐶笛 wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:11:50 -0700, LO AND BEHOLD; "Snit
>>>><usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>" determined that the following was of
>>>>great importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
>>>><fosoa6Fkth5U2@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>On 6/19/18 9:04 AM, Your Friendly Neighbourhood 🐶 Whistle Holder
>>>>>Emeritus 🐶笛 wrote:
>>>>>>On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:59:05 -0700, LO AND BEHOLD; "Snit
>>>>>><usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>" determined that the following was of
>>>>>>great importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
>>>>>><fosniaFkpalU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>On 6/19/18 8:53 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>marx [sic] was a sociologist who predicted the ways that economies
>>>>>>>>>evolve
>>>>>>>>Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously. The " I know better than 
>>>>>>>>the market; every detail, always " concept is what's wrong with
>>>>>>>>feminists and communists. Four of Karl's kids died in childhood; two
>>>>>>>>committed suicide; Frederick Demuth ( a child of rape ? ) was
>>>>>>>>abandoned, left in abject povery.  Marx lied. If this is what you want,
>>>>>>>>follow him. Also, if you _need_ to believe that everything is coming to
>>>>>>>>an end; Marxist Jim Jones has some Kool Aid for you, kook.
>>>>>>>Given how it is so rare to see ANYONE back Marx it is hard to understand
>>>>>>>why people on the right focus on him so much for ANY reason other than 
>>>>>>>to try to pull the light off of their own unsupportable views.
>>>>>>because marx is so "wrong" they have to ironically whinge about him and 
>>>>>>try feebly to politicise his scientific and reasoned sociological and
>>>>>>economic principles from over 100 years ago, it seems.
>>>>>What they are trying to do is tie anyone on the left to him, which makes
>>>>>no sense at all.
>>>>"clearly", because he and others suffered under a fasciocommunist regime
>>>>he must have really liked it. conservatives are fucking dullards these 
>>>>days.
>>>Which is why anyone who isn't among the intelligent liberal elite needs 
>>>to have government to force them to do what is "best" for them. Right?
>>nobody is forcing you to believe reality instead of FOX news. 
>Sorry, Don't watch FOX. Who forces all you libs to worship the lies on
>CNN?

i have basic cable.  no cnn, sry charlie.

-- 
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB6B8jGSdLA

"Thanks to muzzies and their apologist-enablers like puppy whistle, this 
seems to be the new norm in the world.  It's spreading like a cancer, 
and it's time we admit we're at war with pure evil.  We need to put an 
end to this muzzie plague, or life on Earth is going to become pure hell 
everywhere.  We need to get these people out of every civilized 
country, and there's only one way to do it.  IOW, we have to become 
like them, with an emphasis on expediency over cruelty." - Checkmate (of alt.checkmate) 

"Pussy Willow has just proven that Trump's crackdown on previously
unenforced immigration policies is working.  We'll deal with the domestic
terrorists as needed, but we don't need to be letting the muzzie
terrorists get a foothold in our country too.  One need only look at what
they're doing in Europe right now to know we're doing the right thing by
keeping them out, which is our right and our duty. - Checkmate (#1 pussy willow fan)

-

"You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor

-

"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode 

-

"I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfefd18c9a698f0a8@news.altopia.com>

-

Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016 

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#691252 — Re: Marx lied.

On 6/19/2018 12:11 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 6/19/18 9:04 AM, Your Friendly Neighbourhood Puppy Whistle Holder 
> Emeritus 🐶笛 wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:59:05 -0700, LO AND BEHOLD; "Snit
>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>" determined that the following was of
>> great importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
>> <fosniaFkpalU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>> On 6/19/18 8:53 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>>> You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) wrote:
>>>>> marx [sic] was a sociologist who predicted the ways that economies
>>>>> evolve
>>>> Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously. The " I know better than
>>>> the market; every detail, always " concept is what's wrong with
>>>> feminists and communists. Four of Karl's kids died in childhood; two
>>>> committed suicide; Frederick Demuth ( a child of rape ? ) was
>>>> abandoned, left in abject povery.  Marx lied. If this is what you want,
>>>> follow him. Also, if you _need_ to believe that everything is coming to
>>>> an end; Marxist Jim Jones has some Kool Aid for you, kook.
>>>
>>> Given how it is so rare to see ANYONE back Marx it is hard to understand
>>> why people on the right focus on him so much for ANY reason other than
>>> to try to pull the light off of their own unsupportable views.
>>
>> because marx is so "wrong" they have to ironically whinge about him 
>> and try feebly to politicise his scientific and reasoned sociological 
>> and economic principles from over 100 years ago, it seems.
>>
> 
> What they are trying to do is tie anyone on the left to him, which makes 
> no sense at all.
> 
Deny, deny, deny! Just as I said. Marx is thoroughly discredited so 
while left still believes they try anyway they can to deny they believe.

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#691310 — Marxism didn't work for Marx himself, nor anyone else.

You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) keep mentioning:
> [Marx's] scientific and reasoned sociological 
> and economic principles

Correlation does not imply causation.
Marxism didn't work for Marx himself, nor anyone else.
Not one of his 8 kids did well.

The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.

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#691312 — Re: Marxism didn't work for Marx himself, nor anyone else.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 17:36:27 -0700 (Seattle), LO AND BEHOLD;
"Jeff-Relf.Me  @." determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--5.36pm.Seattle.2018>:
 
-- 
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB6B8jGSdLA

"Thanks to muzzies and their apologist-enablers like puppy whistle, this 
seems to be the new norm in the world.  It's spreading like a cancer, 
and it's time we admit we're at war with pure evil.  We need to put an 
end to this muzzie plague, or life on Earth is going to become pure hell 
everywhere.  We need to get these people out of every civilized 
country, and there's only one way to do it.  IOW, we have to become 
like them, with an emphasis on expediency over cruelty." - Checkmate (of alt.checkmate) 

"Pussy Willow has just proven that Trump's crackdown on previously
unenforced immigration policies is working.  We'll deal with the domestic
terrorists as needed, but we don't need to be letting the muzzie
terrorists get a foothold in our country too.  One need only look at what
they're doing in Europe right now to know we're doing the right thing by
keeping them out, which is our right and our duty. - Checkmate (#1 pussy willow fan)

-

"You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor

-

"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode 

-

"I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfefd18c9a698f0a8@news.altopia.com>

-

Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016 

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#691250 — Re: Marx lied.

On 6/19/2018 11:59 AM, Snit wrote:
> On 6/19/18 8:53 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>> You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) wrote:
>>> marx [sic] was a sociologist who predicted the ways that economies 
>>> evolve
>>
>> Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously.
>> The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
>> concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
>>
>> Four of Karl's kids died in childhood; two committed suicide;
>> Frederick Demuth ( a child of rape ? ) was abandoned,
>> left in abject povery.  Marx lied.
>>
>> If this is what you want, follow him.
>>
>> Also, if you _need_ to believe that everything is coming to an end;
>> Marxist Jim Jones has some Kool Aid for you, kook.
>>
> 
> Given how it is so rare to see ANYONE back Marx it is hard to understand 
> why people on the right focus on him so much for ANY reason other than 
> to try to pull the light off of their own unsupportable views.
> 
Simple. Lefty Libs all still believe in Marx but because his idiotic 
ideas have all been ally discredited by experiment, they all try to 
cover up their beliefs by re-wording them as many ways as they can think 
of and then pretend they aren't Marxism. You know. Like you are doing 
right now.

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#691258 — Re: Marx lied.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 16:46:50 -0400, LO AND BEHOLD; "benj
<benj@nobody.net>" determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<0ZdWC.286418$Hv4.283570@fx39.iad>:
 
>On 6/19/2018 11:59 AM, Snit wrote:
>>On 6/19/18 8:53 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>>You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) wrote:
>>>>marx [sic] was a sociologist who predicted the ways that economies
>>>>evolve
>>>Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously. The " I know better than 
>>>the market; every detail, always " concept is what's wrong with
>>>feminists and communists. Four of Karl's kids died in childhood; two
>>>committed suicide; Frederick Demuth ( a child of rape ? ) was
>>>abandoned, left in abject povery.  Marx lied. If this is what you
>>>want, follow him. Also, if you _need_ to believe that everything is
>>>coming to an end; Marxist Jim Jones has some Kool Aid for you, kook. 
>>Given how it is so rare to see ANYONE back Marx it is hard to understand
>>why people on the right focus on him so much for ANY reason other than 
>>to try to pull the light off of their own unsupportable views. 
>Simple. Lefty Libs all still believe in Marx but because his idiotic
>ideas have all been ally discredited by experiment, they all try to
>cover up their beliefs by re-wording them as many ways as they can
>think of and then pretend they aren't Marxism. You know. Like you are
>doing right now.

so whatever happened to:

child labor
no weekends off work
18 hour workdays
no employer-backed healthcare for workers
slavery
intentionally dangerous or neglected work conditions
company stores (and their inherent problems)
company housing (and employers meddling in the private lives of it's workers)

???

did workers worldwide fight for more rights, or something?

so, as democracy inches toward more "social" democracy - you think that marx was wrong?

LMAO

he must be VERY VERY wrong for you to be shaking in fear of his ideas over a hundred years later.

-- 
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB6B8jGSdLA

"Thanks to muzzies and their apologist-enablers like puppy whistle, this 
seems to be the new norm in the world.  It's spreading like a cancer, 
and it's time we admit we're at war with pure evil.  We need to put an 
end to this muzzie plague, or life on Earth is going to become pure hell 
everywhere.  We need to get these people out of every civilized 
country, and there's only one way to do it.  IOW, we have to become 
like them, with an emphasis on expediency over cruelty." - Checkmate (of alt.checkmate) 

"Pussy Willow has just proven that Trump's crackdown on previously
unenforced immigration policies is working.  We'll deal with the domestic
terrorists as needed, but we don't need to be letting the muzzie
terrorists get a foothold in our country too.  One need only look at what
they're doing in Europe right now to know we're doing the right thing by
keeping them out, which is our right and our duty. - Checkmate (#1 pussy willow fan)

-

"You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor

-

"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode 

-

"I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfefd18c9a698f0a8@news.altopia.com>

-

Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016 

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#691313 — SuperDeterminism is a better religion.

> whatever happened to slavery ?

It's alive and well, thank you very much.

General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal, 
perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing.
All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

  Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.

Everyone, from the serial killer to his executer, slave and master,
are best viewed under this light (SuperDeterminism),
instead of assuming free will, à la Christianity.

SuperDeterminism is a better religion;
"God" is nature, nothing more, nothing less.

We simply prefer the LeastBad "option",
and we can't change what we prefer.

The only difference between us and "stars/cars/monkeys"
is how and what we consume... our nitch.

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#691326 — Re: SuperDeterminism is a better religion.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:14:26 -0700, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:

>> whatever happened to slavery ?
> 
> It's alive and well, thank you very much.
> 
> General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal,
> perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing.
> All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:
> 
>   Randomness is ignorance, nothing more.
> 
> Everyone, from the serial killer to his executer, slave and master,
> are best viewed under this light (SuperDeterminism),
> instead of assuming free will, à la Christianity.
> 
> SuperDeterminism is a better religion;
> "God" is nature, nothing more, nothing less.
> 
> We simply prefer the LeastBad "option",
> and we can't change what we prefer.
> 
> The only difference between us and "stars/cars/monkeys"
> is how and what we consume... our nitch.

It is you, gentle sir, who is "appealing to the Pope" with your 
"religion".  (And indeed, that is exactly what you posit.)

Quote:
 _ _ _ _ _ _ _
The implications of superdeterminism, if it is true, would bring into 
question the value of science itself by destroying falsifiability, as 
Anton Zeilinger has commented:

[W]e always implicitly assume the freedom of the experimentalist... This 
fundamental assumption is essential to doing science. If this were not 
true, then, I suggest, it would make no sense at all to ask nature 
questions in an experiment, since then nature could determine what our 
questions are, and that could guide our questions such that we arrive at 
a false picture of nature.[5]
 _ _ _ _ _ _ _

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdeterminism

5.  A. Zeilinger, Dance of the Photons, Farrar, Straus and Giroux, New 
York, 2010, p. 266. Abner Shimony, Michael Horne and John Clauser made a 
similar comment in replying to John Bell in their discussions in the 
Epistemological Letters: "In any scientific experiment in which two or 
more variables are supposed to be randomly selected, one can always 
conjecture that some factor in the overlap of the backward light cones 
has controlled the presumably random choices. But, we maintain, 
skepticism of this sort will essentially dismiss all results of 
scientific experimentation. Unless we proceed under the assumption that 
hidden conspiracies of this sort do not occur, we have abandoned in 
advance the whole enterprise of discovering the laws of nature by 
experimentation." (Shimony A, Horne M A and Clauser J F, "Comment on the 
theory of local beables", Epistemological Letters, 13 1 (1976), as quoted 
in Jan-Åke Larsson, "Loopholes in Bell inequality tests of local 
realism", J. Phys. A: Math. Theor. 47 (2014))

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#691347 — Does "Bell's Inequality" require perfect knowledge ?

Quoting Anton Zeilinger ( modified by me, for clarity ):

  We implicitly assume  " the freedom of the experimentalist "
  [ a.k.a. " the uncaused cause " ]... otherwise,
  nature determines what our questions are, obscuring our view.

Yeah, our vision isn't perfect... so what ?
Does "Bell's Inequality" require perfect knowledge ?

Perfection was never the goal;
instead, we prefer the LeastBad "option",
and we can't change what we prefer.

We're  " natural robots ", programmed by nature
to exploit our nitch, to consume, like the sun, or a car.

At the start, there was no entropy, just infinite eXergy/density. 
[ eXergy is a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ]
And, because " Time == Entropy ", there was no time on the clock then.

Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy;
leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is residual exergy.

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#691371 — Re: Does "Bell's Inequality" require perfect knowledge ?

On 6/20/2018 2:35 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> Quoting Anton Zeilinger ( modified by me, for clarity ):
> 
>    We implicitly assume  " the freedom of the experimentalist "
>    [ a.k.a. " the uncaused cause " ]... otherwise,
>    nature determines what our questions are, obscuring our view.
> 
> Yeah, our vision isn't perfect... so what ?
> Does "Bell's Inequality" require perfect knowledge ?
> 
> Perfection was never the goal;
> instead, we prefer the LeastBad "option",
> and we can't change what we prefer.
> 
> We're  " natural robots ", programmed by nature
> to exploit our nitch, to consume, like the sun, or a car.
> 
> At the start, there was no entropy, just infinite eXergy/density.
> [ eXergy is a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ]
> And, because " Time == Entropy ", there was no time on the clock then.
> 
> Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy;
> leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
> but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is residual exergy.
> 
Rolf this is the biggest fucking fantasy I've ever heard!
NONE of it agrees with reality.

You are STILL an idiot.

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#691430 — Re: Does "Bell's Inequality" require perfect knowledge ?

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 9:17:30 AM UTC-7, benj wrote:
> On 6/20/2018 2:35 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> > Quoting Anton Zeilinger ( modified by me, for clarity ):
> > 
> >    We implicitly assume  " the freedom of the experimentalist "
> >    [ a.k.a. " the uncaused cause " ]... otherwise,
> >    nature determines what our questions are, obscuring our view.
> > 
> > Yeah, our vision isn't perfect... so what ?
> > Does "Bell's Inequality" require perfect knowledge ?
> > 
> > Perfection was never the goal;
> > instead, we prefer the LeastBad "option",
> > and we can't change what we prefer.
> > 
> > We're  " natural robots ", programmed by nature
> > to exploit our nitch, to consume, like the sun, or a car.
> > 
> > At the start, there was no entropy, just infinite eXergy/density.
> > [ eXergy is a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ]
> > And, because " Time == Entropy ", there was no time on the clock then.
> > 
> > Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy;
> > leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
> > but none of the eXergy.  Gravity is residual exergy.
> > 
> Rolf this is the biggest fucking fantasy I've ever heard!
> NONE of it agrees with reality.
> 
> You are STILL an idiot.



Promotion is a wonderful thing and consumer ignorance is even better. But Melzzz feels the need to attack the cult-like herd of convenient friends. So be it. Melzzz is far too ignorant to write a useful script. The only scripting he's ever shown he can do is flooding groups. 

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#691370 — Re: SuperDeterminism is a better religion.

On 6/19/2018 9:14 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>> whatever happened to slavery ?
> 
> It's alive and well, thank you very much.
> 
> General Relativity's four dimensional TimeScape is static, eternal,
> perfectly causal... it is, at once, everything _and_ nothing.
> All of history, every lesson ever, every advance, tells me:

Rolf you moron I've already pointed out that the GR
Spacetime is NOT static at all. That makes your theory WRONG.
No three Nobels for you.

You are STILL an idiot.

<raps knuckles on Rolf's forehead>
Are you listening to me?

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#691267 — Re: Marx lied.

On 6/19/18 1:46 PM, benj wrote:
> On 6/19/2018 11:59 AM, Snit wrote:
>> On 6/19/18 8:53 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>> You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) wrote:
>>>> marx [sic] was a sociologist who predicted the ways that economies 
>>>> evolve
>>>
>>> Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously.
>>> The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
>>> concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
>>>
>>> Four of Karl's kids died in childhood; two committed suicide;
>>> Frederick Demuth ( a child of rape ? ) was abandoned,
>>> left in abject povery.  Marx lied.
>>>
>>> If this is what you want, follow him.
>>>
>>> Also, if you _need_ to believe that everything is coming to an end;
>>> Marxist Jim Jones has some Kool Aid for you, kook.
>>>
>>
>> Given how it is so rare to see ANYONE back Marx it is hard to 
>> understand why people on the right focus on him so much for ANY reason 
>> other than to try to pull the light off of their own unsupportable views.
>>
> Simple. Lefty Libs all still believe in Marx but because his idiotic 
> ideas have all been ally discredited by experiment, they all try to 
> cover up their beliefs by re-wording them as many ways as they can think 
> of and then pretend they aren't Marxism. You know. Like you are doing 
> right now.

Who brought up Marx? Not I.

Why not spend time supporting your own ideas and not lying about the 
ideas of others?

-- 
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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#691284 — Re: Marx lied.

On 6/19/2018 5:15 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 6/19/18 1:46 PM, benj wrote:
>> On 6/19/2018 11:59 AM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 6/19/18 8:53 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>>> You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) wrote:
>>>>> marx [sic] was a sociologist who predicted the ways that economies 
>>>>> evolve
>>>>
>>>> Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously.
>>>> The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
>>>> concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
>>>>
>>>> Four of Karl's kids died in childhood; two committed suicide;
>>>> Frederick Demuth ( a child of rape ? ) was abandoned,
>>>> left in abject povery.  Marx lied.
>>>>
>>>> If this is what you want, follow him.
>>>>
>>>> Also, if you _need_ to believe that everything is coming to an end;
>>>> Marxist Jim Jones has some Kool Aid for you, kook.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Given how it is so rare to see ANYONE back Marx it is hard to 
>>> understand why people on the right focus on him so much for ANY 
>>> reason other than to try to pull the light off of their own 
>>> unsupportable views.
>>>
>> Simple. Lefty Libs all still believe in Marx but because his idiotic 
>> ideas have all been ally discredited by experiment, they all try to 
>> cover up their beliefs by re-wording them as many ways as they can 
>> think of and then pretend they aren't Marxism. You know. Like you are 
>> doing right now.
> 
> Who brought up Marx? Not I.
> 
> Why not spend time supporting your own ideas and not lying about the 
> ideas of others?
> 
Because dear liberal, your fantasies are not reality. Even MY fantasies 
are not reality. Reality is important. That's why we try to discuss it.

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#691289 — Re: Marx lied.

On 6/19/18 3:17 PM, benj wrote:
> On 6/19/2018 5:15 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 6/19/18 1:46 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 6/19/2018 11:59 AM, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 6/19/18 8:53 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>>>> You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) wrote:
>>>>>> marx [sic] was a sociologist who predicted the ways that economies 
>>>>>> evolve
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously.
>>>>> The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
>>>>> concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Four of Karl's kids died in childhood; two committed suicide;
>>>>> Frederick Demuth ( a child of rape ? ) was abandoned,
>>>>> left in abject povery.  Marx lied.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this is what you want, follow him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, if you _need_ to believe that everything is coming to an end;
>>>>> Marxist Jim Jones has some Kool Aid for you, kook.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Given how it is so rare to see ANYONE back Marx it is hard to 
>>>> understand why people on the right focus on him so much for ANY 
>>>> reason other than to try to pull the light off of their own 
>>>> unsupportable views.
>>>>
>>> Simple. Lefty Libs all still believe in Marx but because his idiotic 
>>> ideas have all been ally discredited by experiment, they all try to 
>>> cover up their beliefs by re-wording them as many ways as they can 
>>> think of and then pretend they aren't Marxism. You know. Like you are 
>>> doing right now.
>>
>> Who brought up Marx? Not I.
>>
>> Why not spend time supporting your own ideas and not lying about the 
>> ideas of others?
>>
> Because dear liberal, your fantasies are not reality. Even MY fantasies 
> are not reality. Reality is important. That's why we try to discuss it.

That is not an excuse for you to make up stories about the views of others.

Let me be clear: I do not support the ideas you claim I do.

Got it?

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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#691207 — Re: Marx lied.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 08:53:38 -0700 (Seattle), LO AND BEHOLD;
"Jeff-Relf.Me  @." determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--8.53am.Seattle.2018>:
 
>You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) wrote:
>>marx [sic] was a sociologist who predicted the ways that economies
>>evolve
>
>Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously. The " I know better than 
>the market; every detail, always " concept is what's wrong with
>feminists and communists.
>
>Four of Karl's kids died in childhood; two committed suicide;  Frederick
>Demuth ( a child of rape ? ) was abandoned, left in abject povery. 
>Marx lied.
>
>If this is what you want, follow him.
>
>Also, if you _need_ to believe that everything is coming to an end;
>Marxist Jim Jones has some Kool Aid for you, kook.

if his predictions are "wrong" as you say, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.  no more "red scare".  problem solved.

right?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB6B8jGSdLA

"Thanks to muzzies and their apologist-enablers like puppy whistle, this 
seems to be the new norm in the world.  It's spreading like a cancer, 
and it's time we admit we're at war with pure evil.  We need to put an 
end to this muzzie plague, or life on Earth is going to become pure hell 
everywhere.  We need to get these people out of every civilized 
country, and there's only one way to do it.  IOW, we have to become 
like them, with an emphasis on expediency over cruelty." - Checkmate (of alt.checkmate) 

"Pussy Willow has just proven that Trump's crackdown on previously
unenforced immigration policies is working.  We'll deal with the domestic
terrorists as needed, but we don't need to be letting the muzzie
terrorists get a foothold in our country too.  One need only look at what
they're doing in Europe right now to know we're doing the right thing by
keeping them out, which is our right and our duty. - Checkmate (#1 pussy willow fan)

-

"You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor

-

"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode 

-

"I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfefd18c9a698f0a8@news.altopia.com>

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KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016 

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#691308 — Not one of Karl Marx's 8 kids did well.

You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) replied ( to me ):
> > Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously.
> > The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
> > concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
> 
> if his predictions are "wrong" as you say, 
> then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

Nevermind me, I worry about "you" ( the mainstream ).

Not one of Karl Marx's 8 kids did well.

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#691309 — Re: Not one of Karl Marx's 8 kids did well.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 17:28:25 -0700 (Seattle), LO AND BEHOLD;
"Jeff-Relf.Me  @." determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in
<Jeff-Relf.Me@Jun.19--5.28pm.Seattle.2018>:
 
>You ("Your Friendly"[sic]) replied ( to me ):
>>>Karl Marx's predictions were wrong, obviously. The " I know better than 
>>>the market; every detail, always " concept is what's wrong with
>>>feminists and communists.
>>if his predictions are "wrong" as you say, then you have absolutely
>>nothing to worry about.
>
>Nevermind me, I worry about "you" ( the mainstream ).
>
>Not one of Karl Marx's 8 kids did well.

not many people did well 100 years ago when the robber barons started their capitalist empires built on the back of the worker.

maybe you could petition to put all of marx's descendants in a cage inside a wal-mart?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB6B8jGSdLA

"Thanks to muzzies and their apologist-enablers like puppy whistle, this 
seems to be the new norm in the world.  It's spreading like a cancer, 
and it's time we admit we're at war with pure evil.  We need to put an 
end to this muzzie plague, or life on Earth is going to become pure hell 
everywhere.  We need to get these people out of every civilized 
country, and there's only one way to do it.  IOW, we have to become 
like them, with an emphasis on expediency over cruelty." - Checkmate (of alt.checkmate) 

"Pussy Willow has just proven that Trump's crackdown on previously
unenforced immigration policies is working.  We'll deal with the domestic
terrorists as needed, but we don't need to be letting the muzzie
terrorists get a foothold in our country too.  One need only look at what
they're doing in Europe right now to know we're doing the right thing by
keeping them out, which is our right and our duty. - Checkmate (#1 pussy willow fan)

-

"You just made puppy whistle's sig line longer." - Janithor

-

"If I have a complaint about the (Southern Poverty) Law Center's description (of the alt-right movement), it is the phrase "heavy use of social media," which implies the alt-right is a real-world movement which uses a lot of social media. This is backwards: it is an online movement which occasionally appears in the real world. Where it gets punched." - Jason Rhode 

-

"I think we should destroy every last fucking mosque in America." - "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> proves for us that white males are violent in Message-ID: <MPG.32c5bfefd18c9a698f0a8@news.altopia.com>

-

Golden Killfile, June 2005
KOTM, November 2006
Bob Allisat Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, November 2006
Special Ops Cody Memorial Purple Heart, September 2007
Tony Sidaway Memorial "Drama Queen" Award, November 2006
Busted Urinal Award, April 2007
Order of the Holey Sockpuppet, September 2007
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, September 2006
Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, April 2008
Tinfoil Sombrero, February 2007
AUK Mascot, September 2007
Putting the Awards Out of Order to Screw With the OCD Fuckheads, March 2016 

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#691353 — When sane, you prefer the LeastBad "option", not perfection.

> > Nevermind me, I worry about "you" ( the mainstream ).
> > Not one of Karl Marx's 8 kids did well.
> 
> not many people did well 100 years ago 
> when the robber barons started their capitalist empires
> built on the back of the worker.

Innovation didn't come from PreCapitalist China, Cuba, and North Korea;
no, it came from capitalism, not Marxism.

> would you put marx's [sic] descendants in a cage, in a wal-mart ?

When sane, you prefer the LeastBad "option", not perfection.
The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.

The only difference between us and "stars/cars/monkeys"
is how and what we consume... our nitch.

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#691354 — Re: When sane, you prefer the LeastBad "option", not perfection.

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 1:40:15 AM UTC-7, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> > > Nevermind me, I worry about "you" ( the mainstream ).
> > > Not one of Karl Marx's 8 kids did well.
> > 
> > not many people did well 100 years ago 
> > when the robber barons started their capitalist empires
> > built on the back of the worker.
> 
> Innovation didn't come from PreCapitalist China, Cuba, and North Korea;
> no, it came from capitalism, not Marxism.
> 
> > would you put marx's [sic] descendants in a cage, in a wal-mart ?
> 
> When sane, you prefer the LeastBad "option", not perfection.
> The " I know better than the market; every detail, always "
> concept is what's wrong with feminists and communists.
> 
> The only difference between us and "stars/cars/monkeys"
> is how and what we consume... our nitch.



Lying sack of shit AKA Jonas Eklundh Communication does it every time. Then the flood begins. Because the milksop just has to run to other groups. 

Who _ doesn't_ know that this kind of bilge is Jonas Eklundh Communication's MO, not the approach of Snit? It's all just projection... the endless posting, the posting with Snit's name, the writing of nonsense, the animosity... the diaper rash and eagerness to show how distressed he is over being banned from the schoolyard for shitting in it again... Jonas Eklundh Communication can not help himself ;) One guy reported Jonas Eklundh Communication years ago. As expected, it did zilch to derail the imbecile. 

That's what Jonas Eklundh Communication does when he gets caught. He of course creates a flood, starts a new thread so he can claim he didn't do it. Don't blame me it was my left hand... and then Jonas Eklundh Communication babbles to it with his right hand. 

And what did Jonas Eklundh Communication have to say about this amazing support from new posters? Most of the time he would try to push the reader to believe they're real people who just happened to have an extremely bizarre entrance into usenet. Yeah, right! So, yeah, I buy into my own fiction, fully knowing Jonas Eklundh Communication has been fooled, because it makes me reconsider my program, improving it. The full comedy is packed of bizarre holes and counts heavily on Jonas Eklundh Communication's 'master's degree' gag. 



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