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  The Grand Fraud of Physics, Revealed. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 08:25 -0500
    Re: The Grand Fraud of Physics, Revealed. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-13 11:29 -0400
      Re: The Grand Fraud of Physics, Revealed. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 17:52 +0000
        Re: The Grand Fraud of Physics, Revealed. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-13 14:34 -0400
          Re: The Grand Fraud of Physics, Revealed. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 18:42 +0000
            Re: The Grand Fraud of Physics, Revealed. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-13 14:56 -0400
              Re: The Grand Fraud of Physics, Revealed. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-06-13 19:22 +0000
                Ben, like most of us, thinks with his dick. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-15 01:16 -0700
                  Re: Ben, like most of us, thinks with his dick. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-06-15 11:22 -0400
                    Repressed Christians fuck the most, and science isn't their friend. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-06-15 14:40 -0700
                Re: The Grand Fraud of Physics, Revealed. poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-06-15 05:08 -0700
                  Re: The Grand Fraud of Physics, Revealed. James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 10:05 -0700
    Re: The Grand Fraud of Physics, Revealed. James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-06-15 10:00 -0700

#690408 — The Grand Fraud of Physics, Revealed.

"Welcome students! You have now entered the hallowed ground of graduate 
studies in physics, and it's time we spent a little attention to how 
you're going to spend your future careers. No need beating around the 
bush. You are about to embark on a life of fraud."

"Sir? Excuse me? No one told us about this."

"Yes, I know, it's a deep secret only suspected by a few people and 
we've managed to make them all appear crazy."

"Sir? So the Large Hadron Collider, the LIGO observatory, the Apollo 
landings? Those were all faked?"

"Absolutely. Not a stitch of truth to them. None of them work."

"Sir, so you're saying we're going to spend the rest of our careers 
making things that do not work?"

"Absolutely."

"But, sir.... why?"

"To further the mystery, son, to further the mystery."

"But sir... why not just work on building things that do work?"

"Because, my poor naive lad, anyone can do that."

"So what you're saying sir, is that it's better for us to pretend to 
build something that no one else can build, even though it doesn't work 
at all, than to build something that anyone else could build too?"

"That's what physics is for, son."

"But sir, I'm not sure I want to do that. I'd rather do something real 
and constructive. I'd rather truly learn something about how nature works."

"Don't be silly, my poor boy, all that was already discovered centuries 
ago. There's nothing more to do in that arena."

"Sir, with all due respect, what's in it for me? Will I get rich working 
on a project at the Large Hadron Collider?"

"Rich? RICH? Don't be silly! You'll get a teaching salary at a 
university, which as you know is not all that great, or perhaps you'll 
get a federally funded lab researcher position which is a government pay 
grade."

"Well, if I'm not going to get rich, will I get famous?"

"Heck no! The big Fake Facilities, or FFs as we call them, have hundreds 
or even thousands of physicists working on them, and so any notoriety 
from fake results published will get distributed among all those people. 
You'll be an anonymous cog on a large list of authors."

"Sir, please, if I'm not doing anything real in physics, and if I'm not 
going to get rich, and if I'm not going to get famous, can you tell me 
at least if it will be easy work?"

"Son, you're young, I know you don't understand this. No, it will be a 
life of constant toil, working long hours at low pay pretending to build 
things that don't actually work, and then in your off time, you'll be 
spending hours and hours perpetuating the conspiracy, deflecting the 
comments of those who smell fraud. Do you know how hard it is to keep 
the Apollo myth going? Conspiracy to perpetuate fraud is hard work! 
Never-ending!"

"So Professor, sir, you're saying that the life of a physicist is long, 
hard work, producing nothing but lies and false claims, for low pay and 
no fame, just for the sake of being able to say we're physicists, which 
we now know is just another word for fraudulent liars?"

"That's exactly right."

"Great, we're in. What's next?"


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#690419

On 6/13/2018 9:25 AM, Odd Bodkin drooled:
> "Welcome students! You have now entered the hallowed ground of graduate 
> studies in physics, and it's time we spent a little attention to how 
> you're going to spend your future careers. No need beating around the 
> bush. You are about to embark on a life of fraud."
> 
> "Sir? Excuse me? No one told us about this."
> 
> "Yes, I know, it's a deep secret only suspected by a few people and 
> we've managed to make them all appear crazy."
> 
> "Sir? So the Large Hadron Collider, the LIGO observatory, the Apollo 
> landings? Those were all faked?"
> 
> "Absolutely. Not a stitch of truth to them. None of them work."
> 
> "Sir, so you're saying we're going to spend the rest of our careers 
> making things that do not work?"
> 
> "Absolutely."
> 
> "But, sir.... why?"
> 
> "To further the mystery, son, to further the mystery."
> 
> "But sir... why not just work on building things that do work?"
> 
> "Because, my poor naive lad, anyone can do that."
> 
> "So what you're saying sir, is that it's better for us to pretend to 
> build something that no one else can build, even though it doesn't work 
> at all, than to build something that anyone else could build too?"
> 
> "That's what physics is for, son."
> 
> "But sir, I'm not sure I want to do that. I'd rather do something real 
> and constructive. I'd rather truly learn something about how nature works."
> 
> "Don't be silly, my poor boy, all that was already discovered centuries 
> ago. There's nothing more to do in that arena."
> 
> "Sir, with all due respect, what's in it for me? Will I get rich working 
> on a project at the Large Hadron Collider?"
> 
> "Rich? RICH? Don't be silly! You'll get a teaching salary at a 
> university, which as you know is not all that great, or perhaps you'll 
> get a federally funded lab researcher position which is a government pay 
> grade."
> 
> "Well, if I'm not going to get rich, will I get famous?"
> 
> "Heck no! The big Fake Facilities, or FFs as we call them, have hundreds 
> or even thousands of physicists working on them, and so any notoriety 
> from fake results published will get distributed among all those people. 
> You'll be an anonymous cog on a large list of authors."
> 
> "Sir, please, if I'm not doing anything real in physics, and if I'm not 
> going to get rich, and if I'm not going to get famous, can you tell me 
> at least if it will be easy work?"
> 
> "Son, you're young, I know you don't understand this. No, it will be a 
> life of constant toil, working long hours at low pay pretending to build 
> things that don't actually work, and then in your off time, you'll be 
> spending hours and hours perpetuating the conspiracy, deflecting the 
> comments of those who smell fraud. Do you know how hard it is to keep 
> the Apollo myth going? Conspiracy to perpetuate fraud is hard work! 
> Never-ending!"
> 
> "So Professor, sir, you're saying that the life of a physicist is long, 
> hard work, producing nothing but lies and false claims, for low pay and 
> no fame, just for the sake of being able to say we're physicists, which 
> we now know is just another word for fraudulent liars?"
> 
> "That's exactly right."
> 
> "Great, we're in. What's next?"
> 
> 
Come on Boinker, We've all heard that speech (well those of us who 
actually got into graduate school) And I notice that you neglected to 
mention the SECOND HALF of the speech where it is explained how all the 
Big FF are just for public show and to impress the public enough so 
money can be siphoned off into secret "black" projects where all the 
REAL advanced science is done and where the "best and brightest" in the 
class will likely end up. After all there is so much secret science that 
it can't all be supported by just the government run illegal drug 
business! You didn't mention that, did you?

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#690433

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 6/13/2018 9:25 AM, Odd Bodkin drooled:
>> "Welcome students! You have now entered the hallowed ground of graduate 
>> studies in physics, and it's time we spent a little attention to how 
>> you're going to spend your future careers. No need beating around the 
>> bush. You are about to embark on a life of fraud."
>> 
>> "Sir? Excuse me? No one told us about this."
>> 
>> "Yes, I know, it's a deep secret only suspected by a few people and 
>> we've managed to make them all appear crazy."
>> 
>> "Sir? So the Large Hadron Collider, the LIGO observatory, the Apollo 
>> landings? Those were all faked?"
>> 
>> "Absolutely. Not a stitch of truth to them. None of them work."
>> 
>> "Sir, so you're saying we're going to spend the rest of our careers 
>> making things that do not work?"
>> 
>> "Absolutely."
>> 
>> "But, sir.... why?"
>> 
>> "To further the mystery, son, to further the mystery."
>> 
>> "But sir... why not just work on building things that do work?"
>> 
>> "Because, my poor naive lad, anyone can do that."
>> 
>> "So what you're saying sir, is that it's better for us to pretend to 
>> build something that no one else can build, even though it doesn't work 
>> at all, than to build something that anyone else could build too?"
>> 
>> "That's what physics is for, son."
>> 
>> "But sir, I'm not sure I want to do that. I'd rather do something real 
>> and constructive. I'd rather truly learn something about how nature works."
>> 
>> "Don't be silly, my poor boy, all that was already discovered centuries 
>> ago. There's nothing more to do in that arena."
>> 
>> "Sir, with all due respect, what's in it for me? Will I get rich working 
>> on a project at the Large Hadron Collider?"
>> 
>> "Rich? RICH? Don't be silly! You'll get a teaching salary at a 
>> university, which as you know is not all that great, or perhaps you'll 
>> get a federally funded lab researcher position which is a government pay 
>> grade."
>> 
>> "Well, if I'm not going to get rich, will I get famous?"
>> 
>> "Heck no! The big Fake Facilities, or FFs as we call them, have hundreds 
>> or even thousands of physicists working on them, and so any notoriety 
>> from fake results published will get distributed among all those people. 
>> You'll be an anonymous cog on a large list of authors."
>> 
>> "Sir, please, if I'm not doing anything real in physics, and if I'm not 
>> going to get rich, and if I'm not going to get famous, can you tell me 
>> at least if it will be easy work?"
>> 
>> "Son, you're young, I know you don't understand this. No, it will be a 
>> life of constant toil, working long hours at low pay pretending to build 
>> things that don't actually work, and then in your off time, you'll be 
>> spending hours and hours perpetuating the conspiracy, deflecting the 
>> comments of those who smell fraud. Do you know how hard it is to keep 
>> the Apollo myth going? Conspiracy to perpetuate fraud is hard work! 
>> Never-ending!"
>> 
>> "So Professor, sir, you're saying that the life of a physicist is long, 
>> hard work, producing nothing but lies and false claims, for low pay and 
>> no fame, just for the sake of being able to say we're physicists, which 
>> we now know is just another word for fraudulent liars?"
>> 
>> "That's exactly right."
>> 
>> "Great, we're in. What's next?"
>> 
>> 
> Come on Boinker, We've all heard that speech (well those of us who 
> actually got into graduate school) And I notice that you neglected to 
> mention the SECOND HALF of the speech where it is explained how all the 
> Big FF are just for public show and to impress the public enough so 
> money can be siphoned off into secret "black" projects where all the 
> REAL advanced science is done and where the "best and brightest" in the 
> class will likely end up. After all there is so much secret science that 
> it can't all be supported by just the government run illegal drug 
> business! You didn't mention that, did you?
> 

I could have counted on you to magnify the conspiracy. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#690448

On 6/13/2018 1:52 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 6/13/2018 9:25 AM, Odd Bodkin drooled:
>>> "Welcome students! You have now entered the hallowed ground of graduate
>>> studies in physics, and it's time we spent a little attention to how
>>> you're going to spend your future careers. No need beating around the
>>> bush. You are about to embark on a life of fraud."
>>>
>>> "Sir? Excuse me? No one told us about this."
>>>
>>> "Yes, I know, it's a deep secret only suspected by a few people and
>>> we've managed to make them all appear crazy."
>>>
>>> "Sir? So the Large Hadron Collider, the LIGO observatory, the Apollo
>>> landings? Those were all faked?"
>>>
>>> "Absolutely. Not a stitch of truth to them. None of them work."
>>>
>>> "Sir, so you're saying we're going to spend the rest of our careers
>>> making things that do not work?"
>>>
>>> "Absolutely."
>>>
>>> "But, sir.... why?"
>>>
>>> "To further the mystery, son, to further the mystery."
>>>
>>> "But sir... why not just work on building things that do work?"
>>>
>>> "Because, my poor naive lad, anyone can do that."
>>>
>>> "So what you're saying sir, is that it's better for us to pretend to
>>> build something that no one else can build, even though it doesn't work
>>> at all, than to build something that anyone else could build too?"
>>>
>>> "That's what physics is for, son."
>>>
>>> "But sir, I'm not sure I want to do that. I'd rather do something real
>>> and constructive. I'd rather truly learn something about how nature works."
>>>
>>> "Don't be silly, my poor boy, all that was already discovered centuries
>>> ago. There's nothing more to do in that arena."
>>>
>>> "Sir, with all due respect, what's in it for me? Will I get rich working
>>> on a project at the Large Hadron Collider?"
>>>
>>> "Rich? RICH? Don't be silly! You'll get a teaching salary at a
>>> university, which as you know is not all that great, or perhaps you'll
>>> get a federally funded lab researcher position which is a government pay
>>> grade."
>>>
>>> "Well, if I'm not going to get rich, will I get famous?"
>>>
>>> "Heck no! The big Fake Facilities, or FFs as we call them, have hundreds
>>> or even thousands of physicists working on them, and so any notoriety
>>> from fake results published will get distributed among all those people.
>>> You'll be an anonymous cog on a large list of authors."
>>>
>>> "Sir, please, if I'm not doing anything real in physics, and if I'm not
>>> going to get rich, and if I'm not going to get famous, can you tell me
>>> at least if it will be easy work?"
>>>
>>> "Son, you're young, I know you don't understand this. No, it will be a
>>> life of constant toil, working long hours at low pay pretending to build
>>> things that don't actually work, and then in your off time, you'll be
>>> spending hours and hours perpetuating the conspiracy, deflecting the
>>> comments of those who smell fraud. Do you know how hard it is to keep
>>> the Apollo myth going? Conspiracy to perpetuate fraud is hard work!
>>> Never-ending!"
>>>
>>> "So Professor, sir, you're saying that the life of a physicist is long,
>>> hard work, producing nothing but lies and false claims, for low pay and
>>> no fame, just for the sake of being able to say we're physicists, which
>>> we now know is just another word for fraudulent liars?"
>>>
>>> "That's exactly right."
>>>
>>> "Great, we're in. What's next?"
>>>
>>>
>> Come on Boinker, We've all heard that speech (well those of us who
>> actually got into graduate school) And I notice that you neglected to
>> mention the SECOND HALF of the speech where it is explained how all the
>> Big FF are just for public show and to impress the public enough so
>> money can be siphoned off into secret "black" projects where all the
>> REAL advanced science is done and where the "best and brightest" in the
>> class will likely end up. After all there is so much secret science that
>> it can't all be supported by just the government run illegal drug
>> business! You didn't mention that, did you?
>>
> 
> I could have counted on you to magnify the conspiracy.
> 
Tell the truth, Boinker. You've never really been in graduate school and 
never actually heard the lecture, right? Ask Sergio. He's been in 
graduate school and of course heard the speech.

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#690452

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 6/13/2018 1:52 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 6/13/2018 9:25 AM, Odd Bodkin drooled:
>>>> "Welcome students! You have now entered the hallowed ground of graduate
>>>> studies in physics, and it's time we spent a little attention to how
>>>> you're going to spend your future careers. No need beating around the
>>>> bush. You are about to embark on a life of fraud."
>>>> 
>>>> "Sir? Excuse me? No one told us about this."
>>>> 
>>>> "Yes, I know, it's a deep secret only suspected by a few people and
>>>> we've managed to make them all appear crazy."
>>>> 
>>>> "Sir? So the Large Hadron Collider, the LIGO observatory, the Apollo
>>>> landings? Those were all faked?"
>>>> 
>>>> "Absolutely. Not a stitch of truth to them. None of them work."
>>>> 
>>>> "Sir, so you're saying we're going to spend the rest of our careers
>>>> making things that do not work?"
>>>> 
>>>> "Absolutely."
>>>> 
>>>> "But, sir.... why?"
>>>> 
>>>> "To further the mystery, son, to further the mystery."
>>>> 
>>>> "But sir... why not just work on building things that do work?"
>>>> 
>>>> "Because, my poor naive lad, anyone can do that."
>>>> 
>>>> "So what you're saying sir, is that it's better for us to pretend to
>>>> build something that no one else can build, even though it doesn't work
>>>> at all, than to build something that anyone else could build too?"
>>>> 
>>>> "That's what physics is for, son."
>>>> 
>>>> "But sir, I'm not sure I want to do that. I'd rather do something real
>>>> and constructive. I'd rather truly learn something about how nature works."
>>>> 
>>>> "Don't be silly, my poor boy, all that was already discovered centuries
>>>> ago. There's nothing more to do in that arena."
>>>> 
>>>> "Sir, with all due respect, what's in it for me? Will I get rich working
>>>> on a project at the Large Hadron Collider?"
>>>> 
>>>> "Rich? RICH? Don't be silly! You'll get a teaching salary at a
>>>> university, which as you know is not all that great, or perhaps you'll
>>>> get a federally funded lab researcher position which is a government pay
>>>> grade."
>>>> 
>>>> "Well, if I'm not going to get rich, will I get famous?"
>>>> 
>>>> "Heck no! The big Fake Facilities, or FFs as we call them, have hundreds
>>>> or even thousands of physicists working on them, and so any notoriety
>>>> from fake results published will get distributed among all those people.
>>>> You'll be an anonymous cog on a large list of authors."
>>>> 
>>>> "Sir, please, if I'm not doing anything real in physics, and if I'm not
>>>> going to get rich, and if I'm not going to get famous, can you tell me
>>>> at least if it will be easy work?"
>>>> 
>>>> "Son, you're young, I know you don't understand this. No, it will be a
>>>> life of constant toil, working long hours at low pay pretending to build
>>>> things that don't actually work, and then in your off time, you'll be
>>>> spending hours and hours perpetuating the conspiracy, deflecting the
>>>> comments of those who smell fraud. Do you know how hard it is to keep
>>>> the Apollo myth going? Conspiracy to perpetuate fraud is hard work!
>>>> Never-ending!"
>>>> 
>>>> "So Professor, sir, you're saying that the life of a physicist is long,
>>>> hard work, producing nothing but lies and false claims, for low pay and
>>>> no fame, just for the sake of being able to say we're physicists, which
>>>> we now know is just another word for fraudulent liars?"
>>>> 
>>>> "That's exactly right."
>>>> 
>>>> "Great, we're in. What's next?"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Come on Boinker, We've all heard that speech (well those of us who
>>> actually got into graduate school) And I notice that you neglected to
>>> mention the SECOND HALF of the speech where it is explained how all the
>>> Big FF are just for public show and to impress the public enough so
>>> money can be siphoned off into secret "black" projects where all the
>>> REAL advanced science is done and where the "best and brightest" in the
>>> class will likely end up. After all there is so much secret science that
>>> it can't all be supported by just the government run illegal drug
>>> business! You didn't mention that, did you?
>>> 
>> 
>> I could have counted on you to magnify the conspiracy.
>> 
> Tell the truth, Boinker. You've never really been in graduate school and 
> never actually heard the lecture, right? Ask Sergio. He's been in 
> graduate school and of course heard the speech.
> 

But is it plausibly true, my account?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#690455

On 6/13/2018 2:42 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>> On 6/13/2018 1:52 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>> On 6/13/2018 9:25 AM, Odd Bodkin drooled:
>>>>> "Welcome students! You have now entered the hallowed ground of graduate
>>>>> studies in physics, and it's time we spent a little attention to how
>>>>> you're going to spend your future careers. No need beating around the
>>>>> bush. You are about to embark on a life of fraud."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sir? Excuse me? No one told us about this."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Yes, I know, it's a deep secret only suspected by a few people and
>>>>> we've managed to make them all appear crazy."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sir? So the Large Hadron Collider, the LIGO observatory, the Apollo
>>>>> landings? Those were all faked?"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Absolutely. Not a stitch of truth to them. None of them work."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sir, so you're saying we're going to spend the rest of our careers
>>>>> making things that do not work?"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Absolutely."
>>>>>
>>>>> "But, sir.... why?"
>>>>>
>>>>> "To further the mystery, son, to further the mystery."
>>>>>
>>>>> "But sir... why not just work on building things that do work?"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Because, my poor naive lad, anyone can do that."
>>>>>
>>>>> "So what you're saying sir, is that it's better for us to pretend to
>>>>> build something that no one else can build, even though it doesn't work
>>>>> at all, than to build something that anyone else could build too?"
>>>>>
>>>>> "That's what physics is for, son."
>>>>>
>>>>> "But sir, I'm not sure I want to do that. I'd rather do something real
>>>>> and constructive. I'd rather truly learn something about how nature works."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don't be silly, my poor boy, all that was already discovered centuries
>>>>> ago. There's nothing more to do in that arena."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sir, with all due respect, what's in it for me? Will I get rich working
>>>>> on a project at the Large Hadron Collider?"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich? RICH? Don't be silly! You'll get a teaching salary at a
>>>>> university, which as you know is not all that great, or perhaps you'll
>>>>> get a federally funded lab researcher position which is a government pay
>>>>> grade."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Well, if I'm not going to get rich, will I get famous?"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Heck no! The big Fake Facilities, or FFs as we call them, have hundreds
>>>>> or even thousands of physicists working on them, and so any notoriety
>>>>> from fake results published will get distributed among all those people.
>>>>> You'll be an anonymous cog on a large list of authors."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sir, please, if I'm not doing anything real in physics, and if I'm not
>>>>> going to get rich, and if I'm not going to get famous, can you tell me
>>>>> at least if it will be easy work?"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Son, you're young, I know you don't understand this. No, it will be a
>>>>> life of constant toil, working long hours at low pay pretending to build
>>>>> things that don't actually work, and then in your off time, you'll be
>>>>> spending hours and hours perpetuating the conspiracy, deflecting the
>>>>> comments of those who smell fraud. Do you know how hard it is to keep
>>>>> the Apollo myth going? Conspiracy to perpetuate fraud is hard work!
>>>>> Never-ending!"
>>>>>
>>>>> "So Professor, sir, you're saying that the life of a physicist is long,
>>>>> hard work, producing nothing but lies and false claims, for low pay and
>>>>> no fame, just for the sake of being able to say we're physicists, which
>>>>> we now know is just another word for fraudulent liars?"
>>>>>
>>>>> "That's exactly right."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Great, we're in. What's next?"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Come on Boinker, We've all heard that speech (well those of us who
>>>> actually got into graduate school) And I notice that you neglected to
>>>> mention the SECOND HALF of the speech where it is explained how all the
>>>> Big FF are just for public show and to impress the public enough so
>>>> money can be siphoned off into secret "black" projects where all the
>>>> REAL advanced science is done and where the "best and brightest" in the
>>>> class will likely end up. After all there is so much secret science that
>>>> it can't all be supported by just the government run illegal drug
>>>> business! You didn't mention that, did you?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I could have counted on you to magnify the conspiracy.
>>>
>> Tell the truth, Boinker. You've never really been in graduate school and
>> never actually heard the lecture, right? Ask Sergio. He's been in
>> graduate school and of course heard the speech.
>>
> 
> But is it plausibly true, my account?
> 
Of course Boinker. Only those of us who have been through graduate 
school know that you hear that lecture at the END of your studies not 
when you enter graduate school! They don't just hand out the secret 
handshake to all neophytes! :-)

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#690460

benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> On 6/13/2018 2:42 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>> On 6/13/2018 1:52 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 6/13/2018 9:25 AM, Odd Bodkin drooled:
>>>>>> "Welcome students! You have now entered the hallowed ground of graduate
>>>>>> studies in physics, and it's time we spent a little attention to how
>>>>>> you're going to spend your future careers. No need beating around the
>>>>>> bush. You are about to embark on a life of fraud."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Sir? Excuse me? No one told us about this."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Yes, I know, it's a deep secret only suspected by a few people and
>>>>>> we've managed to make them all appear crazy."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Sir? So the Large Hadron Collider, the LIGO observatory, the Apollo
>>>>>> landings? Those were all faked?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Absolutely. Not a stitch of truth to them. None of them work."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Sir, so you're saying we're going to spend the rest of our careers
>>>>>> making things that do not work?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Absolutely."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "But, sir.... why?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "To further the mystery, son, to further the mystery."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "But sir... why not just work on building things that do work?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Because, my poor naive lad, anyone can do that."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "So what you're saying sir, is that it's better for us to pretend to
>>>>>> build something that no one else can build, even though it doesn't work
>>>>>> at all, than to build something that anyone else could build too?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "That's what physics is for, son."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "But sir, I'm not sure I want to do that. I'd rather do something real
>>>>>> and constructive. I'd rather truly learn something about how nature works."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Don't be silly, my poor boy, all that was already discovered centuries
>>>>>> ago. There's nothing more to do in that arena."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Sir, with all due respect, what's in it for me? Will I get rich working
>>>>>> on a project at the Large Hadron Collider?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Rich? RICH? Don't be silly! You'll get a teaching salary at a
>>>>>> university, which as you know is not all that great, or perhaps you'll
>>>>>> get a federally funded lab researcher position which is a government pay
>>>>>> grade."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Well, if I'm not going to get rich, will I get famous?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Heck no! The big Fake Facilities, or FFs as we call them, have hundreds
>>>>>> or even thousands of physicists working on them, and so any notoriety
>>>>>> from fake results published will get distributed among all those people.
>>>>>> You'll be an anonymous cog on a large list of authors."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Sir, please, if I'm not doing anything real in physics, and if I'm not
>>>>>> going to get rich, and if I'm not going to get famous, can you tell me
>>>>>> at least if it will be easy work?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Son, you're young, I know you don't understand this. No, it will be a
>>>>>> life of constant toil, working long hours at low pay pretending to build
>>>>>> things that don't actually work, and then in your off time, you'll be
>>>>>> spending hours and hours perpetuating the conspiracy, deflecting the
>>>>>> comments of those who smell fraud. Do you know how hard it is to keep
>>>>>> the Apollo myth going? Conspiracy to perpetuate fraud is hard work!
>>>>>> Never-ending!"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "So Professor, sir, you're saying that the life of a physicist is long,
>>>>>> hard work, producing nothing but lies and false claims, for low pay and
>>>>>> no fame, just for the sake of being able to say we're physicists, which
>>>>>> we now know is just another word for fraudulent liars?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "That's exactly right."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Great, we're in. What's next?"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Come on Boinker, We've all heard that speech (well those of us who
>>>>> actually got into graduate school) And I notice that you neglected to
>>>>> mention the SECOND HALF of the speech where it is explained how all the
>>>>> Big FF are just for public show and to impress the public enough so
>>>>> money can be siphoned off into secret "black" projects where all the
>>>>> REAL advanced science is done and where the "best and brightest" in the
>>>>> class will likely end up. After all there is so much secret science that
>>>>> it can't all be supported by just the government run illegal drug
>>>>> business! You didn't mention that, did you?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I could have counted on you to magnify the conspiracy.
>>>> 
>>> Tell the truth, Boinker. You've never really been in graduate school and
>>> never actually heard the lecture, right? Ask Sergio. He's been in
>>> graduate school and of course heard the speech.
>>> 
>> 
>> But is it plausibly true, my account?
>> 
> Of course Boinker. Only those of us who have been through graduate 
> school know that you hear that lecture at the END of your studies not 
> when you enter graduate school! They don't just hand out the secret 
> handshake to all neophytes! :-)
> 
> 
> 

The interesting test on this newsgroup is how many people believe it. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#690692 — Ben, like most of us, thinks with his dick.

Ben, like most of us, thinks with his dick;
oddly, it's enough to get you a master's degree.

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#690713 — Re: Ben, like most of us, thinks with his dick.

On 6/15/2018 4:16 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> Ben, like most of us, thinks with his dick;
> oddly, it's enough to get you a master's degree.
> 
Wait a minute, Rolf. As I recall it is YOU and not me with the porn and 
rubber pussy. Can you say psychological projection disorder, Rolf?
I KNEW that you could!

And oddly where I went to school the chances of your dick thinking about 
anything but staying in your pants while you did your homework was zero.

Rolf you are STILL a moron!

*snicker* (rule #5)

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#690765 — Repressed Christians fuck the most, and science isn't their friend.

> where I went to school the chances of your dick thinking about 
> anything but staying in your pants while you did your homework was zero.

WorldWide, Kids are the domain the poorest, and least educated.

Repressed Christians fuck the most, and science isn't their friend.

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#690701

On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 10:22:08 PM UTC+3, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> > On 6/13/2018 2:42 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> >>> On 6/13/2018 1:52 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> benj <benj@nobody.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On 6/13/2018 9:25 AM, Odd Bodkin drooled:
> >>>>>> "Welcome students! You have now entered the hallowed ground of graduate
> >>>>>> studies in physics, and it's time we spent a little attention to how
> >>>>>> you're going to spend your future careers. No need beating around the
> >>>>>> bush. You are about to embark on a life of fraud."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Sir? Excuse me? No one told us about this."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Yes, I know, it's a deep secret only suspected by a few people and
> >>>>>> we've managed to make them all appear crazy."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Sir? So the Large Hadron Collider, the LIGO observatory, the Apollo
> >>>>>> landings? Those were all faked?"
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Absolutely. Not a stitch of truth to them. None of them work."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Sir, so you're saying we're going to spend the rest of our careers
> >>>>>> making things that do not work?"
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Absolutely."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "But, sir.... why?"
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "To further the mystery, son, to further the mystery."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "But sir... why not just work on building things that do work?"
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Because, my poor naive lad, anyone can do that."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "So what you're saying sir, is that it's better for us to pretend to
> >>>>>> build something that no one else can build, even though it doesn't work
> >>>>>> at all, than to build something that anyone else could build too?"
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "That's what physics is for, son."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "But sir, I'm not sure I want to do that. I'd rather do something real
> >>>>>> and constructive. I'd rather truly learn something about how nature works."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Don't be silly, my poor boy, all that was already discovered centuries
> >>>>>> ago. There's nothing more to do in that arena."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Sir, with all due respect, what's in it for me? Will I get rich working
> >>>>>> on a project at the Large Hadron Collider?"
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Rich? RICH? Don't be silly! You'll get a teaching salary at a
> >>>>>> university, which as you know is not all that great, or perhaps you'll
> >>>>>> get a federally funded lab researcher position which is a government pay
> >>>>>> grade."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Well, if I'm not going to get rich, will I get famous?"
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Heck no! The big Fake Facilities, or FFs as we call them, have hundreds
> >>>>>> or even thousands of physicists working on them, and so any notoriety
> >>>>>> from fake results published will get distributed among all those people.
> >>>>>> You'll be an anonymous cog on a large list of authors."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Sir, please, if I'm not doing anything real in physics, and if I'm not
> >>>>>> going to get rich, and if I'm not going to get famous, can you tell me
> >>>>>> at least if it will be easy work?"
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Son, you're young, I know you don't understand this. No, it will be a
> >>>>>> life of constant toil, working long hours at low pay pretending to build
> >>>>>> things that don't actually work, and then in your off time, you'll be
> >>>>>> spending hours and hours perpetuating the conspiracy, deflecting the
> >>>>>> comments of those who smell fraud. Do you know how hard it is to keep
> >>>>>> the Apollo myth going? Conspiracy to perpetuate fraud is hard work!
> >>>>>> Never-ending!"
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "So Professor, sir, you're saying that the life of a physicist is long,
> >>>>>> hard work, producing nothing but lies and false claims, for low pay and
> >>>>>> no fame, just for the sake of being able to say we're physicists, which
> >>>>>> we now know is just another word for fraudulent liars?"
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "That's exactly right."
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> "Great, we're in. What's next?"
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> Come on Boinker, We've all heard that speech (well those of us who
> >>>>> actually got into graduate school) And I notice that you neglected to
> >>>>> mention the SECOND HALF of the speech where it is explained how all the
> >>>>> Big FF are just for public show and to impress the public enough so
> >>>>> money can be siphoned off into secret "black" projects where all the
> >>>>> REAL advanced science is done and where the "best and brightest" in the
> >>>>> class will likely end up. After all there is so much secret science that
> >>>>> it can't all be supported by just the government run illegal drug
> >>>>> business! You didn't mention that, did you?
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I could have counted on you to magnify the conspiracy.
> >>>> 
> >>> Tell the truth, Boinker. You've never really been in graduate school and
> >>> never actually heard the lecture, right? Ask Sergio. He's been in
> >>> graduate school and of course heard the speech.
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> But is it plausibly true, my account?
> >> 
> > Of course Boinker. Only those of us who have been through graduate 
> > school know that you hear that lecture at the END of your studies not 
> > when you enter graduate school! They don't just hand out the secret 
> > handshake to all neophytes! :-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> The interesting test on this newsgroup is how many people believe it. 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

====================
Bodkin 
what you did above is another false trick 
that you are a expert about !!

no ne here ever said that all the existing n current physics is wrong 
that is your shameful demagogism !!

what a lot of us claim is  that

A LOT OF ''MODRN PHYSICS is wrong
many of us that are not PARROTS 
claim  
that a lot of ''new ' physics 
is wrong 
not all of it 
and our real test is tos eparate
between garbage 
and good real physics 
if for instance you say that
space is curved -- it is wrong 
if you dsy that particles are only a formula smared on a paper
it is wrong !!
if you bring the model of 
a nucleus and electrons running around it 
it is wrong !]
if you say that that smallest  single photon energy
is hf 
you are wrong
if you say that particles get their mass from the Higa boson
you are cheating 
etc etc etc 
yet
not all current physics is wrong

to say that it is  another system of cheating/demagogism  
======
TIA
Y.Porat
==========================

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#690724

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 5:08:29 AM UTC-7, pora...@gmail.com wrote:
> Bodkin 
> what you did above is another false trick 
> that you are a expert about !!

Bodkin is a vague nitwit.  All of his arguments end with vague claims about science involving certainty, which is exactly what science is NOT about.

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#690723

On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 6:25:19 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> "Welcome students! You have now entered the hallowed ground of graduate 
> studies in physics, and it's time we spent a little attention to how 
> you're going to spend your future careers. No need beating around the 
> bush. You are about to embark on a life of fraud."
> 
> "Sir? Excuse me? No one told us about this."
> 
> "Yes, I know, it's a deep secret only suspected by a few people and 
> we've managed to make them all appear crazy."
> 
> "Sir? So the Large Hadron Collider, the LIGO observatory, the Apollo 
> landings? Those were all faked?"
> 
> "Absolutely. Not a stitch of truth to them. None of them work."
> 
> "Sir, so you're saying we're going to spend the rest of our careers 
> making things that do not work?"
> 
> "Absolutely."
> 
> "But, sir.... why?"
> 
> "To further the mystery, son, to further the mystery."
> 
> "But sir... why not just work on building things that do work?"
> 
> "Because, my poor naive lad, anyone can do that."
> 
> "So what you're saying sir, is that it's better for us to pretend to 
> build something that no one else can build, even though it doesn't work 
> at all, than to build something that anyone else could build too?"
> 
> "That's what physics is for, son."
> 
> "But sir, I'm not sure I want to do that. I'd rather do something real 
> and constructive. I'd rather truly learn something about how nature works."
> 
> "Don't be silly, my poor boy, all that was already discovered centuries 
> ago. There's nothing more to do in that arena."
> 
> "Sir, with all due respect, what's in it for me? Will I get rich working 
> on a project at the Large Hadron Collider?"
> 
> "Rich? RICH? Don't be silly! You'll get a teaching salary at a 
> university, which as you know is not all that great, or perhaps you'll 
> get a federally funded lab researcher position which is a government pay 
> grade."
> 
> "Well, if I'm not going to get rich, will I get famous?"
> 
> "Heck no! The big Fake Facilities, or FFs as we call them, have hundreds 
> or even thousands of physicists working on them, and so any notoriety 
> from fake results published will get distributed among all those people. 
> You'll be an anonymous cog on a large list of authors."
> 
> "Sir, please, if I'm not doing anything real in physics, and if I'm not 
> going to get rich, and if I'm not going to get famous, can you tell me 
> at least if it will be easy work?"
> 
> "Son, you're young, I know you don't understand this. No, it will be a 
> life of constant toil, working long hours at low pay pretending to build 
> things that don't actually work, and then in your off time, you'll be 
> spending hours and hours perpetuating the conspiracy, deflecting the 
> comments of those who smell fraud. Do you know how hard it is to keep 
> the Apollo myth going? Conspiracy to perpetuate fraud is hard work! 
> Never-ending!"
> 
> "So Professor, sir, you're saying that the life of a physicist is long, 
> hard work, producing nothing but lies and false claims, for low pay and 
> no fame, just for the sake of being able to say we're physicists, which 
> we now know is just another word for fraudulent liars?"
> 
> "That's exactly right."
> 
> "Great, we're in. What's next?"
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Most science consumers are vague nitwits that pretend like they understand but actually are incapable of supporting their vaguely maintained beliefs. 

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