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  what makes black holes spin ? Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-28 12:04 -0600
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 10:19 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-31 20:16 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-04 20:19 -0800
    what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 10:37 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-03 18:09 -0800
        Re: what makes black holes spin ? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-03 18:18 -0800
          Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-04 17:54 -0800
            Re: what makes black holes spin ? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-04 18:27 -0800
              Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-04 19:11 -0800
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 13:44 -0800
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 15:19 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-28 19:52 -0600
        Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-28 17:59 -0800
          Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 18:01 -0800
            Re: what makes black holes spin ? Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-28 22:06 -0600
        Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-01-28 17:59 -0800
        Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 04:27 -0500
          Re: what makes black holes spin ? Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-29 09:38 -0600
            Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 13:48 -0500
              Re: what makes black holes spin ? Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> - 2019-01-31 12:44 -0600
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 10:38 -0800
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-28 23:26 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-29 15:59 -0800
        Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-29 16:13 -0800
          Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-29 16:25 -0800
            Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-29 20:54 -0800
              Re: what makes black holes spin ? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-01-29 21:20 -0800
                Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-29 21:26 -0800
                  Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 14:30 +0000
                    Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 08:24 -0800
                      Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 17:19 +0000
                        Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 09:26 -0800
                          Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 17:50 +0000
                        Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 10:44 -0800
                          Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 19:09 +0000
                            Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 14:56 -0800
                              Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 18:29 -0500
                                Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 01:29 +0000
                                  Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-30 17:57 -0800
                                    Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 14:36 +0000
                                Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 10:43 -0800
                                  Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 19:51 +0000
                                  Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 13:43 -0800
                                    Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 16:35 -0800
                                      Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 16:50 -0800
                                      Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 22:58 -0500
                                        Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 10:07 -0800
                                          Re: what makes black holes spin ? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2019-02-01 13:06 -0800
                              Re: what makes black holes spin ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 00:21 +0000
                                Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 14:08 -0800
                                  Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-01-31 22:47 -0500
                                    Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-02 10:37 -0800
                                      Re: what makes black holes spin ? benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2019-02-02 15:07 -0500
                                        Re: what makes black holes spin ? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2019-02-03 14:20 -0800
                Re: what makes black holes spin ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2019-01-29 22:11 -0800
    Re:what makes black holes spin ? Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com.INVALID> - 2019-01-30 06:26 +0100
      Re:what makes black holes spin ? Káèek Cnemu <upkp@kawpwnus.cv> - 2019-01-31 15:37 +0000
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? sam.wormley@gmail.com - 2019-02-02 10:46 -0800
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2019-02-03 15:50 -0800
      Re: what makes black holes spin ? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2019-02-03 16:51 -0800
    Re: what makes black holes spin ? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2019-02-03 18:04 -0800

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#725339

john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd
> “Then don’t buy any. Plenty people do”
> That’s the only shit of yours I might buy.
> Not too busy this time of year, I see, Odd?
> Not too much to do?
> 

Christmas is over. Next push will be spring, more on the furniture side. I
have a fair amount of that stock ready. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725379

On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 6:29:13 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
> On 1/30/2019 5:56 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Odd
> >>>>> “Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about
> >>>>> the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble
> >>>>> where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to
> >>>>> be a sheep. Right, John? ”
> >>>>
> >>>>> It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you
> >>>>> finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. New
> >>>> things that come from someone who is completely uneducated in a subject and
> >>>> does not even understand the language of the subject is a .... Complete.
> >>>> Waste. Of. Time.
> >>>
> >>> Complete? Odd, why is it then you spend post-after-post chasing John's posts?
> >>> Even a class in college is but a semester long. Away with these students.
> >>
> >> Mahipal, long time.
> > 
> > Long time, same woods.
> > 
> >> I comment on John’s posts, not to learn anything, but to encourage him to
> >> change his ways. He has taken the path of dress-up-and-make-believe, which
> >> is fine if done alone in a mirror or as part of a show where an audience
> >> are paying for make-believe entertainment. John, however, wants to be taken
> >> seriously. Much like a quack doctor without a license would like to be
> >> taken seriously. Or someone posing as a movie director to get laid by
> >> actresses.
> > 
> > Even if the movie director might be female. Actresses be/are beautiful.
> > 
> >> Or perhaps his thinking is that he’s too chickenshit afraid to try actually
> >> learning something, and so he’s hoping that by posturing and saying
> >> ridiculous things that he just makes up, then someone will actually try to
> >> explain it at a level he can understand.
> > 
> > Or perhaps you both simply enjoy drawing attention on a daily basis?
> > John's fixation on galaxies and atoms being similar but on different
> > size scales is akin to that skit in movie Animal House. Where the stoned
> > professor, high with the students, wows them with what's in our fingers.
> > 
> >> Or perhaps he really has deluded himself into thinking that it’s the
> >> untainted, uneducated novices that come up with the brilliant ideas that
> >> move the dial forward, even though that is not a historical reality,
> >> because it makes him feel better about himself.
> > 
> > What's better, to delude one's self on one's own terms or to have
> > others' delusions thrust upon you?
> > 
> > I'm a major fan of James Burke. He wrote/televised books/shows like
> > "Connections" and "The Day The Universe Changed." He had/has this nice
> > English accent. Hey, I've got to learn me English from somewhere someone...
> > 
> > Anyway, James recalls a incident of farmers finding weird rocks in their
> > fields. Somehow, local astronomers became aware of these rocks. They
> > asked the farmers from where did the rocks come? Farmers, being
> > non-technical non-experts said that the rocks fell from the skies,
> > stars, heavens. Something like that, for I can only paraphrase.
> > 
> > Moral, as history unfolded, after the astronomers mocked the farmers
> > with "Sure they did. Sure they did." The rocks were later confirmed to
> > be meteorites. Interesting story, situation, I thought to meself.
> 
> Odd is one of the family of mockers. "Everybody" knows that rocks do not 
> simply fall out of the sky! That is utter nonsense and the only thing is 
> to heap ridicule on the farmers and call them stupid. Tell them to read 
> a science textbook to "prove" that rocks do not fall from the sky. The 
> is the only educated and intellectual thing to do. AT least in Odd's 
> fantasy world. Odd has no clue what science is. To him he's worked hard 
> to memorize all the fantasies of the religion he's come to believe in 
> and anyone who does not agree with his dogma must be stupid. It's simple 
> as that. He knows nothing but thinks he knows it all.

Well, Odd does write as if the status quo has everything well covered.

I don't like mockers mocking. When I submitted my dissertation, among
other things, one complaint was: He doesn't even have the right font!

> You and I Looperji have actually seen things far more outside of 
> establishment beliefs that actually really happened and we have enough 
> of an open mind to actually understand that the world is actually full 
> of miraculous events even if we do not yet understand them. That's the 
> difference between you and I and Odd.

When I used to meet new people, like at bars, my first question,
ice-breaker as it were, used to be: What's your favourite song?

"Lovely to see you again my friends
You're an ocean full of faces
And you that we believe...

Lovely to see you again my friend
Walk along with me to the next bend

You're an ocean full of faces
And you know that we believe
We're just a wave that drifts around you
Singing all our hopes and dreams..." -- Justin Hayward / Edge Graeme

I've never opened a conversation with questions like: What's up with all
that physics thing(y)?

Now, I'm in that phase of life when you hear/read about how many of
your heroes, when you were young, are literally dying off. Sucks, it does.

> >> Regardless which one is on target with him, they’re all misbegotten notions
> >> that should be pinched off like rotten fruit.
> > 
> > So Odd, the unnamed one, where do you find the time to make to(y)s?
> > 
> > There are two kinds of people, those who want to be remembered, and
> > those that don't. Which one is you?
> 
> Some dance to remember and some dance to forget...

Eagles. Hotel California. Good band, but not as insightful as The Moody Blues.

> > So, my grandfather, father's side, was a carpenter. Like when I was
> > three, years old, not in which grade, he'd make me wooden to(y)s.
> > I can still see him chiseling away. Then I'd run off and play...
> 
> Even when I was a little kid I understood that wooden toys were 
> primitive, stupid and worthless. When I had a toy I wanted it to actuall 
> WORK and be effective, not some fake liberal bullshit fantasy. I 
> remember ordering a "telescope encoder ring" When it came I learned a 
> big lesson about advertising and how people with no integrity or 
> practical knowledge will rob you with bullshit. Pretty much still going 
> on... especially in Washington. Politicians even worse that makers of 
> fake wooden toys.

Wooded toys, and wooden furniture, and wooded musical instruments, and
wood tennis racquets, etc... not all that worthless. Fake wood by Odd?
Fake it until you make it!

I was there when real pinball machines got replaced by silly new
electronic pac-mans. I never liked the fake digital games. Still don't.

> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>
> >>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
> >>> Contents of some email I received: "WE WANT TO STAY CONNECTED"
> >>> TheyTheThem2me: Why don't you open our emails anymore? Why O why?
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > 
> > Why do I talk about myself? I think of all humans as some physics experiment.
> 
> whose experiment is the KEY question!

Whose experiment? Who? I don't know. Given that all humans are
preordained to terminate, I doubt there's any who or them out there.
But, I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time either. Lost Cause I...

> > -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!

Steve Martin 2 me c: Look! There's me watching me watching me watching me...

-- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!> >

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#725392

Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 6:29:13 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
>> On 1/30/2019 5:56 PM, Mahipal wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>>> “Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about
>>>>>>> the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble
>>>>>>> where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to
>>>>>>> be a sheep. Right, John? ”
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you
>>>>>>> finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. New
>>>>>> things that come from someone who is completely uneducated in a subject and
>>>>>> does not even understand the language of the subject is a .... Complete.
>>>>>> Waste. Of. Time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Complete? Odd, why is it then you spend post-after-post chasing John's posts?
>>>>> Even a class in college is but a semester long. Away with these students.
>>>> 
>>>> Mahipal, long time.
>>> 
>>> Long time, same woods.
>>> 
>>>> I comment on John’s posts, not to learn anything, but to encourage him to
>>>> change his ways. He has taken the path of dress-up-and-make-believe, which
>>>> is fine if done alone in a mirror or as part of a show where an audience
>>>> are paying for make-believe entertainment. John, however, wants to be taken
>>>> seriously. Much like a quack doctor without a license would like to be
>>>> taken seriously. Or someone posing as a movie director to get laid by
>>>> actresses.
>>> 
>>> Even if the movie director might be female. Actresses be/are beautiful.
>>> 
>>>> Or perhaps his thinking is that he’s too chickenshit afraid to try actually
>>>> learning something, and so he’s hoping that by posturing and saying
>>>> ridiculous things that he just makes up, then someone will actually try to
>>>> explain it at a level he can understand.
>>> 
>>> Or perhaps you both simply enjoy drawing attention on a daily basis?
>>> John's fixation on galaxies and atoms being similar but on different
>>> size scales is akin to that skit in movie Animal House. Where the stoned
>>> professor, high with the students, wows them with what's in our fingers.
>>> 
>>>> Or perhaps he really has deluded himself into thinking that it’s the
>>>> untainted, uneducated novices that come up with the brilliant ideas that
>>>> move the dial forward, even though that is not a historical reality,
>>>> because it makes him feel better about himself.
>>> 
>>> What's better, to delude one's self on one's own terms or to have
>>> others' delusions thrust upon you?
>>> 
>>> I'm a major fan of James Burke. He wrote/televised books/shows like
>>> "Connections" and "The Day The Universe Changed." He had/has this nice
>>> English accent. Hey, I've got to learn me English from somewhere someone...
>>> 
>>> Anyway, James recalls a incident of farmers finding weird rocks in their
>>> fields. Somehow, local astronomers became aware of these rocks. They
>>> asked the farmers from where did the rocks come? Farmers, being
>>> non-technical non-experts said that the rocks fell from the skies,
>>> stars, heavens. Something like that, for I can only paraphrase.
>>> 
>>> Moral, as history unfolded, after the astronomers mocked the farmers
>>> with "Sure they did. Sure they did." The rocks were later confirmed to
>>> be meteorites. Interesting story, situation, I thought to meself.
>> 
>> Odd is one of the family of mockers. "Everybody" knows that rocks do not 
>> simply fall out of the sky! That is utter nonsense and the only thing is 
>> to heap ridicule on the farmers and call them stupid. Tell them to read 
>> a science textbook to "prove" that rocks do not fall from the sky. The 
>> is the only educated and intellectual thing to do. AT least in Odd's 
>> fantasy world. Odd has no clue what science is. To him he's worked hard 
>> to memorize all the fantasies of the religion he's come to believe in 
>> and anyone who does not agree with his dogma must be stupid. It's simple 
>> as that. He knows nothing but thinks he knows it all.
> 
> Well, Odd does write as if the status quo has everything well covered.

Well I can imagine how, reading the discussions here, it might seem that
way. 

Part of the art of doing physics is knowing what the interesting open
questions are. 

What seems to be true here is a mix of people questioning
very-well-validated ideas, or complaining about lack of interest in fringe
ideas with very low likelihood of payout. Both of these are not really
considered interesting open questions. 

John provides excellent illustration of this, urging that people should
financially support the work of “researchers” selling cold fusion power
supplies and Roswell alien mystery metals. He says dark matter is to be
shunned because it’s a new kind of matter (horrors!) but then that galaxies
exhibit torqueless precession that violates conservation of angular
momentum, saying that if a physical law ruled out his idea then the law is
wrong. 

Ben is a slightly different animal, who will on one day say that unless
physics is claiming that EVERYTHING is known then NOTHING is known, then in
the next day complaining that old ideas (like waves being defined as
traveling disturbances in a medium) should not be replaced by newer ideas,
then in the next day saying that ALL ideas including ghosts and ESP should
be pursued as vigorously as any other mainstream idea. A bit of a hot mess.


> 
> I don't like mockers mocking. When I submitted my dissertation, among
> other things, one complaint was: He doesn't even have the right font!
> 
>> You and I Looperji have actually seen things far more outside of 
>> establishment beliefs that actually really happened and we have enough 
>> of an open mind to actually understand that the world is actually full 
>> of miraculous events even if we do not yet understand them. That's the 
>> difference between you and I and Odd.
> 
> When I used to meet new people, like at bars, my first question,
> ice-breaker as it were, used to be: What's your favourite song?
> 
> "Lovely to see you again my friends
> You're an ocean full of faces
> And you that we believe...
> 
> Lovely to see you again my friend
> Walk along with me to the next bend
> 
> You're an ocean full of faces
> And you know that we believe
> We're just a wave that drifts around you
> Singing all our hopes and dreams..." -- Justin Hayward / Edge Graeme
> 
> I've never opened a conversation with questions like: What's up with all
> that physics thing(y)?
> 
> Now, I'm in that phase of life when you hear/read about how many of
> your heroes, when you were young, are literally dying off. Sucks, it does.
> 
>>>> Regardless which one is on target with him, they’re all misbegotten notions
>>>> that should be pinched off like rotten fruit.
>>> 
>>> So Odd, the unnamed one, where do you find the time to make to(y)s?
>>> 
>>> There are two kinds of people, those who want to be remembered, and
>>> those that don't. Which one is you?
>> 
>> Some dance to remember and some dance to forget...
> 
> Eagles. Hotel California. Good band, but not as insightful as The Moody Blues.
> 
>>> So, my grandfather, father's side, was a carpenter. Like when I was
>>> three, years old, not in which grade, he'd make me wooden to(y)s.
>>> I can still see him chiseling away. Then I'd run off and play...
>> 
>> Even when I was a little kid I understood that wooden toys were 
>> primitive, stupid and worthless. When I had a toy I wanted it to actuall 
>> WORK and be effective, not some fake liberal bullshit fantasy. I 
>> remember ordering a "telescope encoder ring" When it came I learned a 
>> big lesson about advertising and how people with no integrity or 
>> practical knowledge will rob you with bullshit. Pretty much still going 
>> on... especially in Washington. Politicians even worse that makers of 
>> fake wooden toys.
> 
> Wooded toys, and wooden furniture, and wooded musical instruments, and
> wood tennis racquets, etc... not all that worthless. Fake wood by Odd?
> Fake it until you make it!
> 
> I was there when real pinball machines got replaced by silly new
> electronic pac-mans. I never liked the fake digital games. Still don't.
> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
>>>>> Contents of some email I received: "WE WANT TO STAY CONNECTED"
>>>>> TheyTheThem2me: Why don't you open our emails anymore? Why O why?
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>> 
>>> Why do I talk about myself? I think of all humans as some physics experiment.
>> 
>> whose experiment is the KEY question!
> 
> Whose experiment? Who? I don't know. Given that all humans are
> preordained to terminate, I doubt there's any who or them out there.
> But, I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time either. Lost Cause I...
> 
>>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
> 
> Steve Martin 2 me c: Look! There's me watching me watching me watching me...
> 
> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!> >
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725401

MyPal
“

I was there when real pinball machines got replaced by silly new 
electronic pac-mans. I never liked the fake digital games. Still don't. “
I learned pinball in France - and Foosball- from the best in the 60s. We used to rack up free games to the max.
In foosball they  always put me on offence, and then when I came back home foosball was just catching on and I always played goalie.
One time I broke the other goalie’s head right off and scored with my one-man food- my wrist was strong!

In France, when I went back in 1970, pool tables were just coming in, over there, and I had been playing on 6X 12s since 1964. It was my turn to show my buddies over there some things- but pool never really caught on over there.
I believe foosball is still huge, there,  though. But the old bar scene is gone, here.

When are you coming for beer, Mahipal?
Standing invite.
Drive to Saskatchewan in the summer.
I’m planning on buying a motor boat for the cabin.
:)

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#725422

On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 4:43:52 PM UTC-5, john wrote:
> MyPal
> “I was there when real pinball machines got replaced by silly new 
> electronic pac-mans. I never liked the fake digital games. Still don't. “
> 
> I learned pinball in France - and Foosball- from the best in the
> 60s. We used to rack up free games to the max.

Table football (aka soccer) being Foosball. I had to check the dictionary.
It's described as "Each team of one or two human players..."
Team of one? What?! How does one make a team? Anyway, I know the game.

> In foosball they always put me on offence, and then when I came back
> home foosball was just catching on and I always played goalie.

> One time I broke the other goalie’s head right off and scored with
> my one-man food- my wrist was strong!

Foot, not food. Typo right? O to be young and strong once again...

> In France, when I went back in 1970, pool tables were just coming
> in, over there, and I had been playing on 6X 12s since 1964. It was
> my turn to show my buddies over there some things- but pool never
> really caught on over there.  I believe foosball is still huge,
> there, though. But the old bar scene is gone, here.

Well, here in MAGA USA, people went to bars to socialize and drink.
The cosmic water hole meeting center. Drinking leads to happy drunks. 
Drunks must drive home. You know, horses no longer allowed as optimal
mode of transportation. DWD, DUI, etc.  lead to cops/police stalking
bars. Just waiting to score their next victim. End result, bars go out
of business fairly regularly. Empty glasses, empty bars.

Now the bar keepers are upset for lack of drinkers/customers/patrons.

Reminds me of a song: I drink alone, 'cause I prefer to be by myself...

> When are you coming for beer, Mahipal?
> Standing invite.
> Drive to Saskatchewan in the summer.
> I’m planning on buying a motor boat for the cabin.
> :)

Would that I could travel more! Nowadays, thinking is the best way to travel. 
Cheap too. Besides me not drinking anymore, for it did do a cardinal number on 
my health, ... you're welcome to visit me if you'll be near DC, Washington D.C.

You know, I've never actually ever met anyone I've held discussions
with here. Must be my accent. Once however, I did receive an email
from a former co-worker at GSFC. Debbie, she wanted to somehow confirm
that I was who I said I was. She had recognized my name. Small world.

-- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!

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#725424

MyPal
“One time I broke the other goalie’s head right off and scored with 
> my one-man food- my wrist was strong! 

Foot, not food. Typo right? O to be young and strong once again... ”
Actually- yes, typo- we called it a one man foos. I didn’t notice my spell-corrector miscorrect it.
I’m still drinking beer, but moderately.
However, my lungs got blocked up with some kind of tarry substance- don’t know what- and I didn’t realize that I was very low energy until one day my heart threatened to quit. About a week after going into emergency that night, still very low on energy,  I breathed in deep past some pain and something popped back open, and I suddenly had all my energy back!
No more smoking for me!
Chest feeling more and more normal.

Oh well. Maybe you’ll get an inheritance and come see Canada. I’m probably not going South.
Nice that you’re chirping again- always entertaining!

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#725459

On 1/31/2019 7:35 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 4:43:52 PM UTC-5, john wrote:
>> MyPal
>> “I was there when real pinball machines got replaced by silly new
>> electronic pac-mans. I never liked the fake digital games. Still don't. “
>>
>> I learned pinball in France - and Foosball- from the best in the
>> 60s. We used to rack up free games to the max.
> 
> Table football (aka soccer) being Foosball. I had to check the dictionary.
> It's described as "Each team of one or two human players..."
> Team of one? What?! How does one make a team? Anyway, I know the game.
> 
>> In foosball they always put me on offence, and then when I came back
>> home foosball was just catching on and I always played goalie.
> 
>> One time I broke the other goalie’s head right off and scored with
>> my one-man food- my wrist was strong!
> 
> Foot, not food. Typo right? O to be young and strong once again...
> 
>> In France, when I went back in 1970, pool tables were just coming
>> in, over there, and I had been playing on 6X 12s since 1964. It was
>> my turn to show my buddies over there some things- but pool never
>> really caught on over there.  I believe foosball is still huge,
>> there, though. But the old bar scene is gone, here.
> 
> Well, here in MAGA USA, people went to bars to socialize and drink.
> The cosmic water hole meeting center. Drinking leads to happy drunks.
> Drunks must drive home. You know, horses no longer allowed as optimal
> mode of transportation. DWD, DUI, etc.  lead to cops/police stalking
> bars. Just waiting to score their next victim. End result, bars go out
> of business fairly regularly. Empty glasses, empty bars.
> 
> Now the bar keepers are upset for lack of drinkers/customers/patrons.
> 
> Reminds me of a song: I drink alone, 'cause I prefer to be by myself...
> 
>> When are you coming for beer, Mahipal?
>> Standing invite.
>> Drive to Saskatchewan in the summer.
>> I’m planning on buying a motor boat for the cabin.
>> :)
> 
> Would that I could travel more! Nowadays, thinking is the best way to travel.
> Cheap too. Besides me not drinking anymore, for it did do a cardinal number on
> my health, ... you're welcome to visit me if you'll be near DC, Washington D.C.
> 
> You know, I've never actually ever met anyone I've held discussions
> with here. Must be my accent. Once however, I did receive an email
> from a former co-worker at GSFC. Debbie, she wanted to somehow confirm
> that I was who I said I was. She had recognized my name. Small world.

True I'ver never met you in person! Probably the image in my mind does 
not do you justice. However you are right in with everyone else today if 
your idea of "travel" is in you mind (unless, of course you are into 
astral projection or remote viewing, but those topics are forbidden 
here) If what you imagine is your reality and then vote Democrat that is 
TODAY!

Hey, make it to Ohio and come see me. Everyone welcome to drop in! even 
the kooks! I'm a friendly guy! The secret is all my INTERNET nastiness 
and chatter is nothing but an act! I doubt I'll be to DC anytime soon. 
The place is a shithole! However I do stand in awe of your homeless. DC 
has the finest collection of nutjob bums I've EVER seen anywhere!

> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
> 

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#725517

On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 10:58:59 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
> On 1/31/2019 7:35 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 4:43:52 PM UTC-5, john wrote:
> >> MyPal
> >> “I was there when real pinball machines got replaced by silly new
> >> electronic pac-mans. I never liked the fake digital games. Still don't. “
> >>
> >> I learned pinball in France - and Foosball- from the best in the
> >> 60s. We used to rack up free games to the max.
> > 
> > Table football (aka soccer) being Foosball. I had to check the dictionary.
> > It's described as "Each team of one or two human players..."
> > Team of one? What?! How does one make a team? Anyway, I know the game.
> > 
> >> In foosball they always put me on offence, and then when I came back
> >> home foosball was just catching on and I always played goalie.
> > 
> >> One time I broke the other goalie’s head right off and scored with
> >> my one-man food- my wrist was strong!
> > 
> > Foot, not food. Typo right? O to be young and strong once again...
> > 
> >> In France, when I went back in 1970, pool tables were just coming
> >> in, over there, and I had been playing on 6X 12s since 1964. It was
> >> my turn to show my buddies over there some things- but pool never
> >> really caught on over there.  I believe foosball is still huge,
> >> there, though. But the old bar scene is gone, here.
> > 
> > Well, here in MAGA USA, people went to bars to socialize and drink.
> > The cosmic water hole meeting center. Drinking leads to happy drunks.
> > Drunks must drive home. You know, horses no longer allowed as optimal
> > mode of transportation. DWD, DUI, etc.  lead to cops/police stalking
> > bars. Just waiting to score their next victim. End result, bars go out
> > of business fairly regularly. Empty glasses, empty bars.
> > 
> > Now the bar keepers are upset for lack of drinkers/customers/patrons.
> > 
> > Reminds me of a song: I drink alone, 'cause I prefer to be by myself...
> > 
> >> When are you coming for beer, Mahipal?
> >> Standing invite.
> >> Drive to Saskatchewan in the summer.
> >> I’m planning on buying a motor boat for the cabin.
> >> :)
> > 
> > Would that I could travel more! Nowadays, thinking is the best way to travel.
> > Cheap too. Besides me not drinking anymore, for it did do a cardinal number on
> > my health, ... you're welcome to visit me if you'll be near DC, Washington D.C.
> > 
> > You know, I've never actually ever met anyone I've held discussions
> > with here. Must be my accent. Once however, I did receive an email
> > from a former co-worker at GSFC. Debbie, she wanted to somehow confirm
> > that I was who I said I was. She had recognized my name. Small world.
> 
> True I'ver never met you in person! Probably the image in my mind does 
> not do you justice. However you are right in with everyone else today if 
> your idea of "travel" is in you mind (unless, of course you are into 
> astral projection or remote viewing, but those topics are forbidden 
> here) If what you imagine is your reality and then vote Democrat that is 
> TODAY!

Please call me a Moody Blues Fanatic or someone with a Moody Blues fetish.
BTW, not me=my idea. They have a song, not popular, not one of their most 
listened to, but its title is: Thinking Is The Best Way To Travel.

I think they all, The Moody Blues Team, studied as engineers and found
their life's calling as rock stars, as musicians, as writers, as singers, as ...

Shit, I could google for astral projection or remote viewing, but
double decker holy shit Batman, do I want that in my Search History?!
TheyTheThem even keep track of if I have or have not clicked some of my email.

Bugs Bunny Mode: Did you ever have the feeling that the eyes of people were 
upon you? A 30 seconds long snippet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0FViwZmsGQ

> Hey, make it to Ohio and come see me. Everyone welcome to drop in! even 
> the kooks! I'm a friendly guy! The secret is all my INTERNET nastiness 
> and chatter is nothing but an act! I doubt I'll be to DC anytime soon. 
> The place is a shithole! However I do stand in awe of your homeless. DC 
> has the finest collection of nutjob bums I've EVER seen anywhere!

The Moody Blues have a really great song titled The Actor. In English too!

> > -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!

-- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!

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#725536

Mahipal 
“They have a song, not popular, not one of their most 
listened to, but its title is: Thinking Is The Best Way To Travel. ”
I loved that song!!
I had Days of Future Past in 1969, and collected their next 3 albums, but then I thought they tapered off.
“Dr Livingston I presume
Stepping out of the jungle gloom”
Wonderful artists.

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#725267

Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Odd
>>>>> “Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about 
>>>>> the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble 
>>>>> where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to 
>>>>> be a sheep. Right, John? ”
>>>> 
>>>>> It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you
>>>>> finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.
>>>> 
>>>> I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. New
>>>> things that come from someone who is completely uneducated in a subject and
>>>> does not even understand the language of the subject is a .... Complete.
>>>> Waste. Of. Time. 
>>> 
>>> Complete? Odd, why is it then you spend post-after-post chasing John's posts?
>>> Even a class in college is but a semester long. Away with these students. 
>> 
>> Mahipal, long time. 
> 
> Long time, same woods.
> 
>> I comment on John’s posts, not to learn anything, but to encourage him to
>> change his ways. He has taken the path of dress-up-and-make-believe, which
>> is fine if done alone in a mirror or as part of a show where an audience
>> are paying for make-believe entertainment. John, however, wants to be taken
>> seriously. Much like a quack doctor without a license would like to be
>> taken seriously. Or someone posing as a movie director to get laid by
>> actresses. 
> 
> Even if the movie director might be female. Actresses be/are beautiful.
> 
>> Or perhaps his thinking is that he’s too chickenshit afraid to try actually
>> learning something, and so he’s hoping that by posturing and saying
>> ridiculous things that he just makes up, then someone will actually try to
>> explain it at a level he can understand. 
> 
> Or perhaps you both simply enjoy drawing attention on a daily basis?
> John's fixation on galaxies and atoms being similar but on different
> size scales is akin to that skit in movie Animal House. Where the stoned
> professor, high with the students, wows them with what's in our fingers.

I think you are right about his “Wowww, far out, man!” rapture with ideas
that most people entertain as eight-year-olds. 


> 
>> Or perhaps he really has deluded himself into thinking that it’s the
>> untainted, uneducated novices that come up with the brilliant ideas that
>> move the dial forward, even though that is not a historical reality,
>> because it makes him feel better about himself. 
> 
> What's better, to delude one's self on one's own terms or to have
> others' delusions thrust upon you?

How about doing away with delusions?

> 
> I'm a major fan of James Burke. He wrote/televised books/shows like
> "Connections" and "The Day The Universe Changed." He had/has this nice
> English accent. Hey, I've got to learn me English from somewhere someone...
> 
> Anyway, James recalls a incident of farmers finding weird rocks in their
> fields. Somehow, local astronomers became aware of these rocks. They
> asked the farmers from where did the rocks come? Farmers, being
> non-technical non-experts said that the rocks fell from the skies,
> stars, heavens. Something like that, for I can only paraphrase.
> 
> Moral, as history unfolded, after the astronomers mocked the farmers
> with "Sure they did. Sure they did." The rocks were later confirmed to
> be meteorites. Interesting story, situation, I thought to meself.

Note the difference. The farmers had observational data that they didn’t
interpret. John is ideating and ignoring observations. 

> 
>> Regardless which one is on target with him, they’re all misbegotten notions
>> that should be pinched off like rotten fruit. 
> 
> So Odd, the unnamed one, where do you find the time to make to(y)s?
> 
> There are two kinds of people, those who want to be remembered, and
> those that don't. Which one is you?

If I cared to be remembered I would post here. 


> 
> So, my grandfather, father's side, was a carpenter. Like when I was
> three, years old, not in which grade, he'd make me wooden to(y)s. 
> I can still see him chiseling away. Then I'd run off and play...
> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>> 
>>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८! 
>>> Contents of some email I received: "WE WANT TO STAY CONNECTED"
>>> TheyTheThem2me: Why don't you open our emails anymore? Why O why?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> Why do I talk about myself? I think of all humans as some physics experiment.
> 
> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८! 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#725405

On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 7:21:09 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Odd
> >>>>> “Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about 
> >>>>> the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble 
> >>>>> where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to 
> >>>>> be a sheep. Right, John? ”
> >>>> 
> >>>>> It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you
> >>>>> finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. New
> >>>> things that come from someone who is completely uneducated in a subject and
> >>>> does not even understand the language of the subject is a .... Complete.
> >>>> Waste. Of. Time. 
> >>> 
> >>> Complete? Odd, why is it then you spend post-after-post chasing John's posts?
> >>> Even a class in college is but a semester long. Away with these students. 
> >> 
> >> Mahipal, long time. 
> > 
> > Long time, same woods.

[trim]

> > Or perhaps you both simply enjoy drawing attention on a daily basis?
> > John's fixation on galaxies and atoms being similar but on different
> > size scales is akin to that skit in movie Animal House. Where the stoned
> > professor, high with the students, wows them with what's in our fingers.
> 
> I think you are right about his “Wowww, far out, man!” rapture with ideas
> that most people entertain as eight-year-olds. 

Some ideas persist well into one's eight(y)-year-olds time windows. 
If one's lucky, then their ideas will further delude generations to come?

> >> Or perhaps he really has deluded himself into thinking that it’s the
> >> untainted, uneducated novices that come up with the brilliant ideas that
> >> move the dial forward, even though that is not a historical reality,
> >> because it makes him feel better about himself. 
> > 
> > What's better, to delude one's self on one's own terms or to have
> > others' delusions thrust upon you?
> 
> How about doing away with delusions?

I don't think that it's possible to drive away delusions that far.
Is your world-view delusion free, Odd? Do open-ended questions exist?

> > I'm a major fan of James Burke. He wrote/televised books/shows like
> > "Connections" and "The Day The Universe Changed." He had/has this nice
> > English accent. Hey, I've got to learn me English from somewhere someone...
> > 
> > Anyway, James recalls a incident of farmers finding weird rocks in their
> > fields. Somehow, local astronomers became aware of these rocks. They
> > asked the farmers from where did the rocks come? Farmers, being
> > non-technical non-experts said that the rocks fell from the skies,
> > stars, heavens. Something like that, for I can only paraphrase.
> > 
> > Moral, as history unfolded, after the astronomers mocked the farmers
> > with "Sure they did. Sure they did." The rocks were later confirmed to
> > be meteorites. Interesting story, situation, I thought to meself.
> 
> Note the difference. The farmers had observational data that they didn’t
> interpret. John is ideating and ignoring observations. 

The farmers had the good sense to talk/share about the rocks raining down.
Perhaps the rocks were from nearby volcanic eruptions? Or Satan Caused...

First, John gives references to published observations. Then he twistedly
interprets them to fit his pre-conceived notions. Nothing wrong with that. 
Still, he shouldn't project that all physicists are somehow just
stupid because of experiments like LIGO. Or gravity sucks. Or ...

BTW, I'm just a distant obersever feigning interest in astronomy.  
I used to attend meetings at NASA/GSFC where different academic and
other institutions would schedule observational time on satellites. 
The competitions were rather rough and expensive. Those who won the
observational time window, got the right to view/study the collected
data for like one-year before it became available to other scientists.

I presume John is accessing this data, minimum of a year later. 
Besides, what's one year on astronomical time scales. Say 1987.

Second? This thread is getting too long for average current human's
attention span. Even I myself, prefer to write more than to just read.

> >> Regardless which one is on target with him, they’re all misbegotten notions
> >> that should be pinched off like rotten fruit. 
> > 
> > So Odd, the unnamed one, where do you find the time to make to(y)s?
> > 
> > There are two kinds of people, those who want to be remembered, and
> > those that don't. Which one is you?
> 
> If I cared to be remembered I would post here. 

You'd be remembered as being odd, Odd. It's your dime...

> > So, my grandfather, father's side, was a carpenter. Like when I was
> > three, years old, not in which grade, he'd make me wooden to(y)s. 
> > I can still see him chiseling away. Then I'd run off and play...
> > 
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>> 
> >>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८! 
> >>> Contents of some email I received: "WE WANT TO STAY CONNECTED"
> >>> TheyTheThem2me: Why don't you open our emails anymore? Why O why?
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > 
> > Why do I talk about myself? I think of all humans as some physics experiment.

With evil laughter me2me: Because no one else will, or knows what to, talk about me!

> > -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८! 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

-- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८! 

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#725456

On 1/31/2019 5:08 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 7:21:09 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 2:09:55 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 12:19:30 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Odd
>>>>>>> “Better to be COMPLETELY uneducated in a subject, completely clueless about
>>>>>>> the language used for the subject, and then making up word-salad babble
>>>>>>> where you don’t even know the meanings of the words you’re using, than to
>>>>>>> be a sheep. Right, John? ”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’s the sheep that refuse to learn new things, in my experience. Are you
>>>>>>> finally admitting that you’re a sheep? Good first step.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m happy to learn new things that come from people who know something. New
>>>>>> things that come from someone who is completely uneducated in a subject and
>>>>>> does not even understand the language of the subject is a .... Complete.
>>>>>> Waste. Of. Time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Complete? Odd, why is it then you spend post-after-post chasing John's posts?
>>>>> Even a class in college is but a semester long. Away with these students.
>>>>
>>>> Mahipal, long time.
>>>
>>> Long time, same woods.
> 
> [trim]
> 
>>> Or perhaps you both simply enjoy drawing attention on a daily basis?
>>> John's fixation on galaxies and atoms being similar but on different
>>> size scales is akin to that skit in movie Animal House. Where the stoned
>>> professor, high with the students, wows them with what's in our fingers.
>>
>> I think you are right about his “Wowww, far out, man!” rapture with ideas
>> that most people entertain as eight-year-olds.
> 
> Some ideas persist well into one's eight(y)-year-olds time windows.
> If one's lucky, then their ideas will further delude generations to come?
> 
>>>> Or perhaps he really has deluded himself into thinking that it’s the
>>>> untainted, uneducated novices that come up with the brilliant ideas that
>>>> move the dial forward, even though that is not a historical reality,
>>>> because it makes him feel better about himself.
>>>
>>> What's better, to delude one's self on one's own terms or to have
>>> others' delusions thrust upon you?
>>
>> How about doing away with delusions?
> 
> I don't think that it's possible to drive away delusions that far.
> Is your world-view delusion free, Odd? Do open-ended questions exist?

Odd's world is ALL delusion! Just ak him!

>>> I'm a major fan of James Burke. He wrote/televised books/shows like
>>> "Connections" and "The Day The Universe Changed." He had/has this nice
>>> English accent. Hey, I've got to learn me English from somewhere someone...
>>>
>>> Anyway, James recalls a incident of farmers finding weird rocks in their
>>> fields. Somehow, local astronomers became aware of these rocks. They
>>> asked the farmers from where did the rocks come? Farmers, being
>>> non-technical non-experts said that the rocks fell from the skies,
>>> stars, heavens. Something like that, for I can only paraphrase.
>>>
>>> Moral, as history unfolded, after the astronomers mocked the farmers
>>> with "Sure they did. Sure they did." The rocks were later confirmed to
>>> be meteorites. Interesting story, situation, I thought to meself.
>>
>> Note the difference. The farmers had observational data that they didn’t
>> interpret. John is ideating and ignoring observations.
> 
> The farmers had the good sense to talk/share about the rocks raining down.
> Perhaps the rocks were from nearby volcanic eruptions? Or Satan Caused...
> 
> First, John gives references to published observations. Then he twistedly
> interprets them to fit his pre-conceived notions. Nothing wrong with that.
> Still, he shouldn't project that all physicists are somehow just
> stupid because of experiments like LIGO. Or gravity sucks. Or ...
> 
> BTW, I'm just a distant obersever feigning interest in astronomy.
> I used to attend meetings at NASA/GSFC where different academic and
> other institutions would schedule observational time on satellites.
> The competitions were rather rough and expensive. Those who won the
> observational time window, got the right to view/study the collected
> data for like one-year before it became available to other scientists.
> 
> I presume John is accessing this data, minimum of a year later.
> Besides, what's one year on astronomical time scales. Say 1987.
> 
> Second? This thread is getting too long for average current human's
> attention span. Even I myself, prefer to write more than to just read.
> 
>>>> Regardless which one is on target with him, they’re all misbegotten notions
>>>> that should be pinched off like rotten fruit.
>>>
>>> So Odd, the unnamed one, where do you find the time to make to(y)s?
>>>
>>> There are two kinds of people, those who want to be remembered, and
>>> those that don't. Which one is you?
>>
>> If I cared to be remembered I would post here.
> 
> You'd be remembered as being odd, Odd. It's your dime...
> 
>>> So, my grandfather, father's side, was a carpenter. Like when I was
>>> three, years old, not in which grade, he'd make me wooden to(y)s.
>>> I can still see him chiseling away. Then I'd run off and play...
>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
>>>>> Contents of some email I received: "WE WANT TO STAY CONNECTED"
>>>>> TheyTheThem2me: Why don't you open our emails anymore? Why O why?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>
>>> Why do I talk about myself? I think of all humans as some physics experiment.
> 
> With evil laughter me2me: Because no one else will, or knows what to, talk about me!
> 
>>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
> 

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#725637

On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 10:47:16 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
> On 1/31/2019 5:08 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 7:21:09 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:

[trim]

> >>> What's better, to delude one's self on one's own terms or to have
> >>> others' delusions thrust upon you?
> >>
> >> How about doing away with delusions?
> > 
> > I don't think that it's possible to drive away delusions that far.
> > Is your world-view delusion free, Odd? Do open-ended questions exist?
> 
> Odd's world is ALL delusion! Just ak him!

So Odd, is the world delusional or how delusional is your world's view?
So, as in a Hindi So==100, in and after a century, describe Odd's world.
Use all the math you desire. If not, try describe your Earth in english words.

To try, to attempt, to start you off, here's another dichotomous question:
Do you like the physics of Star Trek or the physics of Star Wars better?

[trim]

> >>> So Odd, the unnamed one, where do you find the time to make to(y)s?
> >>>
> >>> There are two kinds of people, those who want to be remembered, and
> >>> those that don't. Which one is you?
> >>
> >> If I cared to be remembered I would post here.
> > 
> > You'd be remembered as being odd, Odd. It's your dime...

Before you claim, as many do, both Star(Wars+Trek) are mere fiction,
isn't the act of experiencing them... somehow real Real REAL?
  
[trim]
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> > 
> > -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...” 

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#725657

On 2/2/2019 1:37 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 10:47:16 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
>> On 1/31/2019 5:08 PM, Mahipal wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 7:21:09 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [trim]
> 
>>>>> What's better, to delude one's self on one's own terms or to have
>>>>> others' delusions thrust upon you?
>>>>
>>>> How about doing away with delusions?
>>>
>>> I don't think that it's possible to drive away delusions that far.
>>> Is your world-view delusion free, Odd? Do open-ended questions exist?
>>
>> Odd's world is ALL delusion! Just ak him!
> 
> So Odd, is the world delusional or how delusional is your world's view?
> So, as in a Hindi So==100, in and after a century, describe Odd's world.
> Use all the math you desire. If not, try describe your Earth in english words.
> 
> To try, to attempt, to start you off, here's another dichotomous question:
> Do you like the physics of Star Trek or the physics of Star Wars better?

Star Trek science is ALL TRUE!  I keep trying to get Odd's real name and 
address so I can appear on his lawn to convince him of that!

(There is a much bigger story here than you know)


>>>>> So Odd, the unnamed one, where do you find the time to make to(y)s?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are two kinds of people, those who want to be remembered, and
>>>>> those that don't. Which one is you?
>>>>
>>>> If I cared to be remembered I would post here.
>>>
>>> You'd be remembered as being odd, Odd. It's your dime...
> 
> Before you claim, as many do, both Star(Wars+Trek) are mere fiction,
> isn't the act of experiencing them... somehow real Real REAL?

Are you asking if video/movie technology is real or is your 
psychological experiential experiences reality. Clearly the former is 
real and the latter clearly is not. WE no NOT experience reality, only 
infer what it is. (we will not discuss the forbidden topic of mind as 
the builder here)


> [trim]
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>
>>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
> 
> -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”
> 

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#725806

On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 3:07:55 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
> On 2/2/2019 1:37 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 10:47:16 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
> >> On 1/31/2019 5:08 PM, Mahipal wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 7:21:09 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > [trim]
> > 
> >>>>> What's better, to delude one's self on one's own terms or to have
> >>>>> others' delusions thrust upon you?
> >>>>
> >>>> How about doing away with delusions?
> >>>
> >>> I don't think that it's possible to drive away delusions that far.
> >>> Is your world-view delusion free, Odd? Do open-ended questions exist?
> >>
> >> Odd's world is ALL delusion! Just ak him!
> > 
> > So Odd, is the world delusional or how delusional is your world's view?
> > So, as in a Hindi So==100, in and after a century, describe Odd's world.
> > Use all the math you desire. If not, try describe your Earth in english words.
> > 
> > To try, to attempt, to start you off, here's another dichotomous question:
> > Do you like the physics of Star Trek or the physics of Star Wars better?
> 
> Star Trek science is ALL TRUE!  I keep trying to get Odd's real name and 
> address so I can appear on his lawn to convince him of that!
> 
> (There is a much bigger story here than you know)

Odd's left the stage/stadium, must've gone to watch The Superbowl LIII?

Just to be contrary, Star Wars science is ALL TRUE! May the force...

> >>>>> So Odd, the unnamed one, where do you find the time to make to(y)s?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are two kinds of people, those who want to be remembered, and
> >>>>> those that don't. Which one is you?
> >>>>
> >>>> If I cared to be remembered I would post here.
> >>>
> >>> You'd be remembered as being odd, Odd. It's your dime...
> > 
> > Before you claim, as many do, both Star(Wars+Trek) are mere fiction,
> > isn't the act of experiencing them... somehow real Real REAL?
> 
> Are you asking if video/movie technology is real or is your 
> psychological experiential experiences reality. Clearly the former is 
> real and the latter clearly is not. WE no NOT experience reality, only 
> infer what it is. (we will not discuss the forbidden topic of mind as 
> the builder here)

Speaking of forbidden minds, here's an interesting tennis players article.
Title: Even Technology Fails To Speculate Roger Federer And His Actions

Here's/It's one example of the many uses of real video/movie technolog(y).
https://www.essentiallysports.com/even-technology-fails-to-speculate-roger-federer-and-his-actions/?fbclid=IwAR3dR68ShRp4Na1xIqWOD9ku_XdxpL9HXlJdpXvW53kJFdaNSn6dLFafFFk

Above URL has a length of 168 characters and resulted in the following TinyURL
which has a length of 34 characters:

https://tinyurl.com/Roger-s-Tennis

Or, I'll give me/my recipients confidence with its preview TinyURL:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/Roger-s-Tennis

> > [trim]
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>
> >>> -- Mahipal == माहिपाल "My Pal" or "Maple" Loops, S(y)rup, Wood. IPMM ७६३८!
> > 
> > -- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”

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#725152

pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 at 8:52:43 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > of course, there could be a misunderstanding what exactly the
> > 'scientific community' mean be a black hole'...
> 
> Well, there is really no question about just what the scientific community means when they refer to a Black Hole. All you need to do is Google it up and read it for yourself...
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
> 
> "A black hole is a region of spacetime exhibiting such strong gravitational effects that nothing—not even particles and electromagnetic radiation such as light—can escape from inside it."
> 
> There is a lot more info on the web page, but it is not really slanted towards "regular folk" because it is a very complex subject. There is virtually NO WAY an off-the-street regular guy can even begin to understand any of this without a whole lot of serious study, but unfortunately, there are a whole lot of 'regular guys' out there who think they know what they are talking about, but who don't actually know WTF they are talking about.
> 
> Which are you? The guys who doesn't really know much about the subject matter, or the guy who has never studied this stuff but still thinks he knows all about it?


according to your 'user-edited website' for irregular people...


" a circular orbit will lead to inspiral into the black hole."


it's a spinning doughnut with a hole.

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#725148

Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
> 
> any answers ?
> 

It should be easy for you to Google it.

Conservation of angular momentum of the original star.

It gets distributed between expelled star mass and remnants,
no matter if the latter is a white dwarf, a neutron star or black hole.

-- 
Libor Striz aka Poutnik ( a pilgrim/wanderer/wayfarer)

"Humour is the only effective weapon against stupidity."
Miloš Forman


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#725344

Libor Striz wrote:

> Sergi o <invaliid@invalid.com> Wrote in message:
>> 
>> any answers ?
>
> It should be easy for you to Google it. 
> Conservation of angular momentum of the original star.
> It gets distributed between expelled star mass and remnants,
> no matter if the latter is a white dwarf, a neutron star or black hole.

Another individual not knowing what a singularity stands for. It reveals 
sever lack of education, or, a failure in the education system of the 
country affiliated with.

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#725640

On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 12:04:13 PM UTC-6, Sergi o wrote:
> any answers ?

Same property of the universe that make stars, accession disks and planetary disks spin--Conservation of Angular Momentum.

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#725810

On Tuesday, 29 January 2019 05:04:13 UTC+11, Sergi o  wrote:
> any answers ?



If by a black hole you mean an anal Einsteinian construction - bullshit, that is - then one can reply with such a facetious answer as, "What is the colour of an imaginary fart?"

If by a black hole you mean a large cluster of dark matter, that do not have a gas atmosphere - thus it does not shine, but can rotate - then the answer is that it spins like all large masses in the universe do spin.

To go a bit deep, this may have to do with the way the stars, light or dark, are formed.

Out of some dense cloud, the heavier components like iron start to form the core and the lighter ones outside, the gases being on top. If there are no gases there is dark matter, that is, what does not emit light. It may so happen that more absorbed matter hit the core tangentially in one polar direction than at the other, causing it to rotate in a particular direction.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

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