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  Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 05:49 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 06:34 -0700
      Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 07:35 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-07 06:57 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-07 09:09 -0700
      Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 09:13 -0700
        Re: Options On North Korea The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-07 18:29 -0700
          Re: Options On North Korea The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-07 18:32 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 14:10 -0700
      Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 15:10 -0700
        Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 17:12 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> - 2017-07-07 21:35 +0000
    do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 23:31 -0700
      Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 23:45 -0700
        Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 00:59 -0700
          Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 03:44 -0700
            Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:14 -0700
              Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 07:39 -0700
                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 18:06 -0700
                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 18:18 -0700
                    Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 04:35 -0700
                      Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 05:25 -0700
                      Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:09 -0400
                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:00 -0400
                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 05:07 -0700
                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 06:34 -0700
                    Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 03:47 -0700
                      Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 07:02 -0700
                        Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:40 -0400
                          Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 16:41 -0700
                            Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-10 17:23 -0700
                              Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 17:46 -0700
                                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-10 18:55 -0700
                                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 02:32 -0700
                                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 04:08 -0700
                        Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 16:38 -0700
                      Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 18:35 -0700
                        Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 02:31 -0700
                          Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 04:11 -0700
                            Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 04:50 -0700
                              Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 05:01 -0700
                                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:00 -0700
                                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:12 -0700
                                    Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:36 -0700
                                    Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:51 -0700
                                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:30 -0700
                          Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 11:38 -0700
              Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 13:59 -0700
                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-08 15:14 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-08 11:42 -0500
    Never be two faced and less than 100% serious when it comes to nuclear weaponization Re: Options On North Korea Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 21:15 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2017-07-09 11:20 +0200
      Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 04:46 -0700
        Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 05:26 -0700
          Re: Options On North Korea Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-09 10:22 -0500
            Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 04:22 -0700
        Re: Options On North Korea Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-09 10:12 -0500
        Re: Options On North Korea benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:12 -0400
    Re: Options On North Korea Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-07-09 18:29 -0400
      Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 17:55 -0700
    biological option Re: Options On North Korea Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 23:23 -0700

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#639286 — Options On North Korea

I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean nukes and long range missiles. 

I disagree.

We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something.

Doing nothing has got us where we are today. This is the plan loved by BJ, Loopy and Poor John. But they are irrelevant so let's talk about what we CAN do.

In order of their efficacy:

1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as well as troop and artillery emplacements.

2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be sure to maintain plausible deniability)

3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.

4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China. They don't want a free North Korea. 

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#639290

On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 10:49:33 PM UTC+10, HVAC wrote:
> I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean nukes and long range missiles. 
> 
> I disagree.
> 
> We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something.
> 
> Doing nothing has got us where we are today. This is the plan loved by BJ, Loopy and Poor John. But they are irrelevant so let's talk about what we CAN do.
> 
> In order of their efficacy:
> 
> 1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as well as troop and artillery emplacements.
> 
> 2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be sure to maintain plausible deniability)
> 
> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.
> 
> 4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China. They don't want a free North Korea.

Let us hope that Kim is wrong is thinking that the USAns are bastards, and so
the options 1-3 are not options at all, just the products of a mad and evil 
mind.

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#639294

Arindam Banerjee
- show quoted text -
Let us hope that Kim is wrong is thinking that the USAns are bastards, and so 
the options 1-3 are not options at all, just the products of a mad and evil 
mind. 
-----------

Fine Adrian. I'll put you into the mix with BJ, Loopy and Poor John. AKA, the irrelevants.

YOU people choose to do nothing. That buys you 'peace'... For a minute.

Meanwhile you give your enemy a chance to arm himself. This simply passes the enemy onto the next generation who will now have to deal with a fully armed enemy capable of lobbing a nuke at you or your friends.

But at least your have your 'peace'.

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#639291

Harlow Campbell "HVAC" <mr.hvac@gmail.com> wrote:
I hear it said that we have no real options regarding
North Korean nukes and long range missiles.

I disagree.
We have 2 options:
1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously
launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes
as well as troop and artillery emplacements.
2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck, Kim Jong-Un, and his staff.
3) Use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke.
Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.
<http://www.bing.com/search?q=rod+from+god+space+weapon&qs=SC&pq=>
4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China.
They don't want a free North Korea.
>
hanson wrote:
All that arm chair war planning of yours not withstanding,
for Kim Jong-Un, being the 3rd one of his family, it holds that
== "From rags to riches, back to rags in 3 generations" ==
The hand writing is on the wall...

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#639310

the guy is only blowing up firecrackers in his backyard, then he
went to the store and bought a cherry bomb..

let the kid have some fun...there's nothing on tv for him to watch.

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#639311

 PMThe Starmaker
the guy is only blowing up firecrackers in his backyard, then he 
went to the store and bought a cherry bomb.. 

let the kid have some fun...there's nothing on tv for him to watch. 
----------

It's embarrassing that this fat cocksucker is still alive.

... And no, I'm not talking about BJ

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#639379

HVAC wrote:
> 
>  PMThe Starmaker
> the guy is only blowing up firecrackers in his backyard, then he
> went to the store and bought a cherry bomb..
> 
> let the kid have some fun...there's nothing on tv for him to watch.
> ----------
> 
> It's embarrassing that this fat cocksucker is still alive.


you're still alive...


that's embarrassing...judging from your input on the earth.

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#639380

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> HVAC wrote:
> >
> >  PMThe Starmaker
> > the guy is only blowing up firecrackers in his backyard, then he
> > went to the store and bought a cherry bomb..
> >
> > let the kid have some fun...there's nothing on tv for him to watch.
> > ----------
> >
> > It's embarrassing that this fat cocksucker is still alive.
> 
> you're still alive...
> 
> that's embarrassing...judging from your input on the earth.


hanson is still alive...


you see, there is a God.

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#639342

On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 8:49:33 AM UTC-4, HVAC wrote:
> I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean
> nukes and long range missiles.
>
> I disagree.

No way! You're kidding us all! You, disagree?! You're a major nutjob, HVAC.

> We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something.

You HVAC say 2, then you write/post 4. Math doesn't suit you.

> Doing nothing has got us where we are today. This is the plan loved
> by BJ, Loopy and Poor John. But they are irrelevant so let's talk
> about what we CAN do.

Hi! I'm the Loopy One. You may now begin 2ignore whatever else I'll 4ever write.

> In order of their efficacy:

> 1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously
> launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as
> well as troop and artillery emplacements.

MAD. Stupid MAD. It's simply Mad mad MAD! Not to be confused with MADD. YMMV.

> 2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be
> sure to maintain plausible deniability)

One guy/leader does not a nation make. Heard of TrumpET?

> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a
> nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.

When was the last, if ever, you even visited any Korea?

> 4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by
> China. They don't want a free North Korea.

Define free. Go ahead. You can speak in your fancy English Language. I'll wait.

Irrelevant Loopy here. One, thanks for noticing. Two, You HVAC sound like any Xwife.

Would it kill you HVAC if you couldn't dream about me Me ME?! Let us pray.

HVAC, you're a desperate barking dog seeking attention. Got Rod of God in your mouth? 
FYI, Enola Gay Hanger doesn't mean@all what you HVAC are thinking it does.

HVAC, did you just discover your quotes keys? Woof woof WOOF... Bark!
Your childish, high school level dropout education is no 'piece' of 'peace.'
Speaking of irrelevancies, hey which high school kicked you out? Year?

Speaking of TrumpET, who loves Stupid People, Putin says he didn't do it! EOS.
 
Yes, I categorically deny ever having traveled to North Korea.
I do love Korean cooking/food. Do they really eat dogs? Hot dogs?

With Protesters/Polizei like those in Hambrug, who needs Terrorists.
You gotta love it when Germany doesn't have to outsource the terror.

Apology accepted. You can't help it, you're hopelessly lonely.
Ever heard of the acronyms {MAD, SAD, GLAD, GOD, EOS, ...}?

Btw, WTF do raining nukes have to do with Physics?! OffTopic! Hugs?

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”  
Enjo(y)... Salute… Cheers... Open your M I N D… Time it is Is IS 3PM somePlace. 

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#639358

Loopy says
On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 8:49:33 AM UTC-4, HVAC wrote: 
> I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean 
> nukes and long range missiles. 
> 
> I disagree. 

No way! You're kidding us all! You, disagree?! You're a major nutjob, HVAC. 

> We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something. 

You HVAC say 2, then you write/post 4. Math doesn't suit you. 

> Doing nothing has got us where we are today. This is the plan loved 
> by BJ, Loopy and Poor John. But they are irrelevant so let's talk 
> about what we CAN do. 

Hi! I'm the Loopy One. You may now begin 2ignore whatever else I'll 4ever write. 

> In order of their efficacy: 

> 1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously 
> launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as 
> well as troop and artillery emplacements. 

MAD. Stupid MAD. It's simply Mad mad MAD! Not to be confused with MADD. YMMV. 

> 2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be 
> sure to maintain plausible deniability) 

One guy/leader does not a nation make. Heard of TrumpET? 

> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a 
> nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up. 

When was the last, if ever, you even visited any Korea? 

> 4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by 
> China. They don't want a free North Korea. 

Define free. Go ahead. You can speak in your fancy English Language. I'll wait. 

Irrelevant Loopy here. One, thanks for noticing. Two, You HVAC sound like any Xwife. 

Would it kill you HVAC if you couldn't dream about me Me ME?! Let us pray. 

HVAC, you're a desperate barking dog seeking attention. Got Rod of God in your mouth? 
FYI, Enola Gay Hanger doesn't mean@all what you HVAC are thinking it does. 

HVAC, did you just discover your quotes keys? Woof woof WOOF... Bark! 
Your childish, high school level dropout education is no 'piece' of 'peace.' 
Speaking of irrelevancies, hey which high school kicked you out? Year? 

Speaking of TrumpET, who loves Stupid People, Putin says he didn't do it! EOS. 
  
Yes, I categorically deny ever having traveled to North Korea. 
I do love Korean cooking/food. Do they really eat dogs? Hot dogs? 

With Protesters/Polizei like those in Hambrug, who needs Terrorists. 
You gotta love it when Germany doesn't have to outsource the terror. 

Apology accepted. You can't help it, you're hopelessly lonely. 
Ever heard of the acronyms {MAD, SAD, GLAD, GOD, EOS, ...}? 

Btw, WTF do raining nukes have to do with Physics?! OffTopic! Hugs? 
-------------

You mad?

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#639369

On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 6:10:13 PM UTC-4, HVAC wrote:
> Loopy says

<trim>

> You mad?

In me m(y) fabulously accurate Chinese accents: I'm Fuelious!

Most of all, you didn't answer a single question I asked of you, HVAC.

The last time I was mad on Usenet was when I tried discuss Andrew Wiles' 1993
proof of FLT (1637). Not to be confused with FTL. Go ahead, look up the 2 acronyms.
Some jerkOff in sci.math got mad at me for questioning Wiles' NYT write-up.
Finally I pointed out to the said jerkOff, I know If is a big word for
a little mathematician like you. I had opened my post with 2 letters, If.

You happy now, jerkOffHVAC? Got college, its name, the years you studied?
Did you live on campus or did you commute to get to your useless classes?

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”  
Enjo(y)... Salute… Cheers... Open your M I N D… Time it is Is IS 3PM somePlace. 

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#639355

HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ac625482-3932-4b36-85cd-145e66946d70@googlegroups.com: 

> I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean
> nukes and long range missiles. 
> 
> I disagree.
> 
> We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something.
> 
> Doing nothing has got us where we are today. This is the plan loved by
> BJ, Loopy and Poor John. But they are irrelevant so let's talk about
> what we CAN do. 
> 
> In order of their efficacy:
> 
> 1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously
> launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as well
> as troop and artillery emplacements. 
> 
> 2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be
> sure to maintain plausible deniability) 
> 
> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke.
> Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up. 
> 
> 4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China. They
> don't want a free North Korea. 
> 

I'll take number three with dead scapegoats consisting of number two.

-- 
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alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy 
Overlord of alt.fucknozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S
award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse 
Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
 "I haven't been refuted, defeated, or even minimalized yet, I have been
called names and attempts have been made to redefine my 50 years of
brilliance because of the envy of my lesser harassers, that's all."
- 47YO Ed "Pantyhead" Wollmann still can't count.

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#639404 — do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 7:49:33 AM UTC-5, HVAC wrote:
> I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean nukes and long range missiles. 
> 
> I disagree.
> 
> We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something.
> 
> Doing nothing has got us where we are today. This is the plan loved by BJ, Loopy and Poor John. But they are irrelevant so let's talk about what we CAN do.
> 
> In order of their efficacy:
> 
> 1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as well as troop and artillery emplacements.
> 
> 2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be sure to maintain plausible deniability)
> 
> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.
> 
> 4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China. They don't want a free North Korea.

I suspect the reason the Roman Empire lasted a thousand years, whereas the US Empire is looking to last just 200 years, is that the Romans knew energy constraints, that they had to rely on (2). They could not afford to be sending armies out after the bad guys, everytime a bad guy appears. So they specialized in (2).

Now, for some reason in the 20th century and onwards, (2) is frowned upon. Maybe it is because Democracies have some squeamish aversion to it. Maybe elected people feel that is out of bounds and they would be targeted themselves. Maybe people feel we just outgrown that course of action.

But consider that Rome lasts as long as it did because of (2), year in and year out using (2), somewhat like the book I Claudius.

But consider the world of the past 100 years if (2) had been an active tool. Perhaps Hitler, perhaps North  Korea before 1950, perhaps Vietnam, and perhaps Iraq War, and perhaps the war in Syria.

The USA has a special forces for something like going after Bin Laden, but what about a special forces like that of the Romans using (2).

So much can be learned from Roman History about (2), and no-one has really analyzed how politically crucial and vital was (2) in allowing Rome to rule for a 1,000 years. If the Romans could see history in the past 200 years, they would be scratching their heads as to why the USA sends in thousands and thousands of troops, when all that was needed is one or two well placed persons.

In many many cases, (2) is the best way to go. Many of the world's problems are caused by just one or two rogue people, and it is crazy for the good countries to be spending billions on sanctions, sending in armies in the thousands, when the problem are just 1 or 2 persons.

Is it that countries that are good and are Democracies just abhor (2)?

If you want lasting peace for Pax Romana, that lasted 1,000 years, you need that economical and efficient, highly efficient tool of (2). 

Of course, do not talk about it publicly, and have it always Top Secret. But why waste billions and billions, when the problem is just one man who is a bad dictator. Get rid of him and you have a whole brand new bright day to look forward to. Certainly, do not talk about it publicly. Keep it Top Secret, and the reason we have Secrecy, for a (2) is the upper reaches of Top Secret.

AP

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#639405 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 4:31:10 PM UTC+10, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 7:49:33 AM UTC-5, HVAC wrote:
> > I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean nukes and long range missiles. 
> > 
> > I disagree.
> > 
> > We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something.
> > 
> > Doing nothing has got us where we are today. This is the plan loved by BJ, Loopy and Poor John. But they are irrelevant so let's talk about what we CAN do.
> > 
> > In order of their efficacy:
> > 
> > 1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as well as troop and artillery emplacements.
> > 
> > 2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be sure to maintain plausible deniability)
> > 
> > 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.
> > 
> > 4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China. They don't want a free North Korea.
> 
> I suspect the reason the Roman Empire lasted a thousand years, whereas the US Empire is looking to last just 200 years, is that the Romans knew energy constraints, that they had to rely on (2). They could not afford to be sending armies out after the bad guys, everytime a bad guy appears. So they specialized in (2).
> 
> Now, for some reason in the 20th century and onwards, (2) is frowned upon. Maybe it is because Democracies have some squeamish aversion to it. Maybe elected people feel that is out of bounds and they would be targeted themselves. Maybe people feel we just outgrown that course of action.
> 
> But consider that Rome lasts as long as it did because of (2), year in and year out using (2), somewhat like the book I Claudius.
> 
> But consider the world of the past 100 years if (2) had been an active tool. Perhaps Hitler, perhaps North  Korea before 1950, perhaps Vietnam, and perhaps Iraq War, and perhaps the war in Syria.
> 
> The USA has a special forces for something like going after Bin Laden, but what about a special forces like that of the Romans using (2).
> 
> So much can be learned from Roman History about (2), and no-one has really analyzed how politically crucial and vital was (2) in allowing Rome to rule for a 1,000 years. If the Romans could see history in the past 200 years, they would be scratching their heads as to why the USA sends in thousands and thousands of troops, when all that was needed is one or two well placed persons.
> 
> In many many cases, (2) is the best way to go. Many of the world's problems are caused by just one or two rogue people, and it is crazy for the good countries to be spending billions on sanctions, sending in armies in the thousands, when the problem are just 1 or 2 persons.
> 
> Is it that countries that are good and are Democracies just abhor (2)?
> 
> If you want lasting peace for Pax Romana, that lasted 1,000 years, you need that economical and efficient, highly efficient tool of (2). 
> 
> Of course, do not talk about it publicly, and have it always Top Secret. But why waste billions and billions, when the problem is just one man who is a bad dictator. Get rid of him and you have a whole brand new bright day to look forward to. Certainly, do not talk about it publicly. Keep it Top Secret, and the reason we have Secrecy, for a (2) is the upper reaches of Top Secret.
> 
> AP

Assassination attempts upon Alexander did not work for Darius (actually
Dhariya-jash or holder of renown).

A democracy that believes in assassination as a national policy imperils
each and every one of its citizens.

Failed assassination attempts are pathetic, too. 

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#639411 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 1:45:28 AM UTC-5, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 4:31:10 PM UTC+10, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> > On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 7:49:33 AM UTC-5, HVAC wrote:
> > > I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean nukes and long range missiles. 
> > > 
> > > I disagree.
> > > 
> > > We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something.
> > > 
> > > Doing nothing has got us where we are today. This is the plan loved by BJ, Loopy and Poor John. But they are irrelevant so let's talk about what we CAN do.
> > > 
> > > In order of their efficacy:
> > > 
> > > 1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as well as troop and artillery emplacements.
> > > 
> > > 2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be sure to maintain plausible deniability)
> > > 
> > > 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.
> > > 
> > > 4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China. They don't want a free North Korea.
> > 
> > I suspect the reason the Roman Empire lasted a thousand years, whereas the US Empire is looking to last just 200 years, is that the Romans knew energy constraints, that they had to rely on (2). They could not afford to be sending armies out after the bad guys, everytime a bad guy appears. So they specialized in (2).
> > 
> > Now, for some reason in the 20th century and onwards, (2) is frowned upon. Maybe it is because Democracies have some squeamish aversion to it. Maybe elected people feel that is out of bounds and they would be targeted themselves. Maybe people feel we just outgrown that course of action.
> > 
> > But consider that Rome lasts as long as it did because of (2), year in and year out using (2), somewhat like the book I Claudius.
> > 
> > But consider the world of the past 100 years if (2) had been an active tool. Perhaps Hitler, perhaps North  Korea before 1950, perhaps Vietnam, and perhaps Iraq War, and perhaps the war in Syria.
> > 
> > The USA has a special forces for something like going after Bin Laden, but what about a special forces like that of the Romans using (2).
> > 
> > So much can be learned from Roman History about (2), and no-one has really analyzed how politically crucial and vital was (2) in allowing Rome to rule for a 1,000 years. If the Romans could see history in the past 200 years, they would be scratching their heads as to why the USA sends in thousands and thousands of troops, when all that was needed is one or two well placed persons.
> > 
> > In many many cases, (2) is the best way to go. Many of the world's problems are caused by just one or two rogue people, and it is crazy for the good countries to be spending billions on sanctions, sending in armies in the thousands, when the problem are just 1 or 2 persons.
> > 
> > Is it that countries that are good and are Democracies just abhor (2)?
> > 
> > If you want lasting peace for Pax Romana, that lasted 1,000 years, you need that economical and efficient, highly efficient tool of (2). 
> > 
> > Of course, do not talk about it publicly, and have it always Top Secret. But why waste billions and billions, when the problem is just one man who is a bad dictator. Get rid of him and you have a whole brand new bright day to look forward to. Certainly, do not talk about it publicly. Keep it Top Secret, and the reason we have Secrecy, for a (2) is the upper reaches of Top Secret.
> > 
> > AP
> 
> Assassination attempts upon Alexander did not work for Darius (actually
> Dhariya-jash or holder of renown).
> 

Now I never learned what the reason was for Alexander to go around conquering, warring and fighting. Was there any good thing to come of Alexander's wars? Or was his motivation, plunder and steal? Was he making civilization better, or was you just causing havoc? So that leads to whether it was good to get rid of Alexander.

I mean, who could stomach a modern day Alexander.


> A democracy that believes in assassination as a national policy imperils
> each and every one of its citizens.
> 

Think that one through, for you forget that one person is imperiling the entire world. Your ideas are too idealistic.

> Failed assassination attempts are pathetic, too.

Now a modern day brush up on the Roman method of (2) is in keeping.

For instance, we can have a UN type trial and jury, where preponderance of evidence is only needed, not beyond a shadow of doubt.

So these facts.
(1) NK leader kills his brother in Malaysia
(2) NK leader tortures and causes death of Otto Warmbier

With those facts:: jury poses sentence that NK leader be forcibly captured or ....

End of story

What is pathetic is this planet has nearly 8 billion people and that one of them is so rogue, so imperiling all the other people on this planet, yet 8 billion foolishly languor and idle by while the rogue starts WW3 nuclear.

Even idealists like you Arindam, has a moral obligation to put a halt to 1 man causing so much harm and damage to all the rest.

If Hitler had been preempted it would have been better for the world, than to let one bad apple spoil so much of the world.

Bad and Good are always in a tussle in this world, but the worst is to let 1 bad make the world awful for everyone else. 

That needs no deep thinking, needs no back and forth arguing, needs no idealisms. It only needs a minimum of action by the 8 billion to nip in the bud the 1 bad apple.

So, what exactly was the goal of Alexander? Was he just a fame seeking killer of many? Or was his warring doing the world any good?

AP

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#639416 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 5:59:51 PM UTC+10, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 1:45:28 AM UTC-5, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 4:31:10 PM UTC+10, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 7:49:33 AM UTC-5, HVAC wrote:
> > > > I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean nukes and long range missiles. 
> > > > 
> > > > I disagree.
> > > > 
> > > > We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something.
> > > > 
> > > > Doing nothing has got us where we are today. This is the plan loved by BJ, Loopy and Poor John. But they are irrelevant so let's talk about what we CAN do.
> > > > 
> > > > In order of their efficacy:
> > > > 
> > > > 1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as well as troop and artillery emplacements.
> > > > 
> > > > 2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be sure to maintain plausible deniability)
> > > > 
> > > > 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.
> > > > 
> > > > 4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China. They don't want a free North Korea.
> > > 
> > > I suspect the reason the Roman Empire lasted a thousand years, whereas the US Empire is looking to last just 200 years, is that the Romans knew energy constraints, that they had to rely on (2). They could not afford to be sending armies out after the bad guys, everytime a bad guy appears. So they specialized in (2).
> > > 
> > > Now, for some reason in the 20th century and onwards, (2) is frowned upon. Maybe it is because Democracies have some squeamish aversion to it. Maybe elected people feel that is out of bounds and they would be targeted themselves. Maybe people feel we just outgrown that course of action.
> > > 
> > > But consider that Rome lasts as long as it did because of (2), year in and year out using (2), somewhat like the book I Claudius.
> > > 
> > > But consider the world of the past 100 years if (2) had been an active tool. Perhaps Hitler, perhaps North  Korea before 1950, perhaps Vietnam, and perhaps Iraq War, and perhaps the war in Syria.
> > > 
> > > The USA has a special forces for something like going after Bin Laden, but what about a special forces like that of the Romans using (2).
> > > 
> > > So much can be learned from Roman History about (2), and no-one has really analyzed how politically crucial and vital was (2) in allowing Rome to rule for a 1,000 years. If the Romans could see history in the past 200 years, they would be scratching their heads as to why the USA sends in thousands and thousands of troops, when all that was needed is one or two well placed persons.
> > > 
> > > In many many cases, (2) is the best way to go. Many of the world's problems are caused by just one or two rogue people, and it is crazy for the good countries to be spending billions on sanctions, sending in armies in the thousands, when the problem are just 1 or 2 persons.
> > > 
> > > Is it that countries that are good and are Democracies just abhor (2)?
> > > 
> > > If you want lasting peace for Pax Romana, that lasted 1,000 years, you need that economical and efficient, highly efficient tool of (2). 
> > > 
> > > Of course, do not talk about it publicly, and have it always Top Secret. But why waste billions and billions, when the problem is just one man who is a bad dictator. Get rid of him and you have a whole brand new bright day to look forward to. Certainly, do not talk about it publicly. Keep it Top Secret, and the reason we have Secrecy, for a (2) is the upper reaches of Top Secret.
> > > 
> > > AP
> > 
> > Assassination attempts upon Alexander did not work for Darius (actually
> > Dhariya-jash or holder of renown).
> > 
> 
> Now I never learned what the reason was for Alexander to go around conquering, warring and fighting. Was there any good thing to come of Alexander's wars? Or was his motivation, plunder and steal? Was he making civilization better, or was you just causing havoc? So that leads to whether it was good to get rid of Alexander.
> 
> I mean, who could stomach a modern day Alexander.

Those who could stomach Clinton, Bush1&2, Hillary Clinton, Obama... all great
mass murderers far worse than the NK kid. 
And before that all the great 20th century killers: Stalin, Mao, Hitler,
Churchill, Truman, LBJ, Nixon... 
> 
> 
> > A democracy that believes in assassination as a national policy imperils
> > each and every one of its citizens.
> > 
> 
> Think that one through, for you forget that one person is imperiling the entire world. Your ideas are too idealistic.

No, they are highly practical. Today USAns pretend to be Canadians when abroad.
All anti-Jew countries are out of bounds for them.
> 
> > Failed assassination attempts are pathetic, too.
> 
> Now a modern day brush up on the Roman method of (2) is in keeping.
> 
> For instance, we can have a UN type trial and jury, where preponderance of evidence is only needed, not beyond a shadow of doubt.
> 
> So these facts.
> (1) NK leader kills his brother in Malaysia
> (2) NK leader tortures and causes death of Otto Warmbier

That way the entire US Govt should be tried and shot for their infamous
mass-murdering policies all over the world.
Point is, the US cannot get rid of the NK kid.
If they could they would, no doubt.

> 
> With those facts:: jury poses sentence that NK leader be forcibly captured or ....
> 
> End of story

Fine, let us start with the US politicians. Catch them and try them for their
crimes against humanity.

> What is pathetic is this planet has nearly 8 billion people and that one of them is so rogue, so imperiling all the other people on this planet, yet 8 billion foolishly languor and idle by while the rogue starts WW3 nuclear.
> 
> Even idealists like you Arindam, has a moral obligation to put a halt to 1 man causing so much harm and damage to all the rest.

He is not doing even 0.001% of the harm done by US all over the world.

> If Hitler had been preempted it would have been better for the world, than to let one bad apple spoil so much of the world.

Why just Hitler, why not Churchill, Stalin, Truman, Trotsky, Bush2 etc. etc.
along with Einstein, Gandi, Marx, etc. etc.

The point is that assassination is a bad idea. It creates feelings of 
revenge. And that goes on from generation to generation, creating wars and 
violence.

One has thus to be in the pocket of the arms companies in order to encourage
assassinations.

The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand started WW1 which led to WW2.

Have Westerners learnt nothing at all from that event?
> 
> Bad and Good are always in a tussle in this world, but the worst is to let 1 bad make the world awful for everyone else. 

Indeed, so it is of the greatest importance to get rid of all the bad ideas
started by Einstein et al. And go for the new and great idea of mine, that
will give humanity unlimited power and faster than light travel.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
> 
> That needs no deep thinking, needs no back and forth arguing, needs no idealisms. It only needs a minimum of action by the 8 billion to nip in the bud the 1 bad apple.
> 
> So, what exactly was the goal of Alexander? Was he just a fame seeking killer of many? Or was his warring doing the world any good?
> 
> AP

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#639420 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

Arindam Banerjee
- show quoted text -
Those who could stomach Clinton, Bush1&2, Hillary Clinton, Obama... all great 
mass murderers far worse than the NK kid. 
And before that all the great 20th century killers: Stalin, Mao, Hitler, 
Churchill, Truman, LBJ, Nixon... 
> 
> 
> > A democracy that believes in assassination as a national policy imperils 
> > each and every one of its citizens. 
> > 
> 
> Think that one through, for you forget that one person is imperiling the entire world. Your ideas are too idealistic. 

No, they are highly practical. Today USAns pretend to be Canadians when abroad. 
All anti-Jew countries are out of bounds for them. 
> 
> > Failed assassination attempts are pathetic, too. 
> 
> Now a modern day brush up on the Roman method of (2) is in keeping. 
> 
> For instance, we can have a UN type trial and jury, where preponderance of evidence is only needed, not beyond a shadow of doubt. 
> 
> So these facts. 
> (1) NK leader kills his brother in Malaysia 
> (2) NK leader tortures and causes death of Otto Warmbier 

That way the entire US Govt should be tried and shot for their infamous 
mass-murdering policies all over the world. 
Point is, the US cannot get rid of the NK kid. 
If they could they would, no doubt. 

> 
> With those facts:: jury poses sentence that NK leader be forcibly captured or .... 
> 
> End of story 

Fine, let us start with the US politicians. Catch them and try them for their 
crimes against humanity. 

> What is pathetic is this planet has nearly 8 billion people and that one of them is so rogue, so imperiling all the other people on this planet, yet 8 billion foolishly languor and idle by while the rogue starts WW3 nuclear. 
> 
> Even idealists like you Arindam, has a moral obligation to put a halt to 1 man causing so much harm and damage to all the rest. 

He is not doing even 0.001% of the harm done by US all over the world. 

> If Hitler had been preempted it would have been better for the world, than to let one bad apple spoil so much of the world. 

Why just Hitler, why not Churchill, Stalin, Truman, Trotsky, Bush2 etc. etc. 
along with Einstein, Gandi, Marx, etc. etc. 

The point is that assassination is a bad idea. It creates feelings of 
revenge. And that goes on from generation to generation, creating wars and 
violence. 

One has thus to be in the pocket of the arms companies in order to encourage 
assassinations. 

The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand started WW1 which led to WW2. 

Have Westerners learnt nothing at all from that event? 
> 
> Bad and Good are always in a tussle in this world, but the worst is to let 1 bad make the world awful for everyone else. 

Indeed, so it is of the greatest importance to get rid of all the bad ideas 
started by Einstein et al. And go for the new and great idea of mine, that 
will give humanity unlimited power and faster than light travel. 

Cheers, 
Arindam Banerjee 
-----------

This is the typical kook/hippy mantra. Blame the USA. 

*I* prefer our Western culture and society. *They* prefer a caliphate with Shira law. *You* prefer to live in fantasy land with physics that allow ftl travel.

Go fuck yourself

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#639427 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:14:41 AM UTC-4, HVAC wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee

<trim>

> The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand started WW1 which led to WW2. 
> 
> Have Westerners learnt nothing at all from that event? 

Ever study history in USA classrooms? USA is still in Kansas! Stuck, for evermore.

> > Bad and Good are always in a tussle in this world, but the worst
> > is to let 1 bad make the world awful for everyone else.

> Indeed, so it is of the greatest importance to get rid of all the bad ideas 
> started by Einstein et al. And go for the new and great idea of mine, that 
> will give humanity unlimited power and faster than light travel. 

Yours? Well, that's a little bit vain. But do go with it, BanerjeeJi!

> Cheers, 
> Arindam Banerjee 
> -----------
> 
> This is the typical kook/hippy mantra. Blame the USA. 

What in actual hell have you got against any hippy, you jerkingOffKookHVAC?

ArindamJi, HVAC is a mole. He's an implant. Ignore HVAC's actual words.

> *I* prefer our Western culture and society. *They* prefer a
> caliphate with Shira law. *You* prefer to live in fantasy land with
> physics that allow ftl travel.

O looky, HVAC discovered his * key! Everybody DanSingħing Now now NOW?!  
 
Thanks for trying, HVAC. There exist more lifestyles than the two mere 
Western culture and your one go to phrase: Shira law. The Shira's did it!!

Why not just divide and conquer USA by pitting Republican against Democrat? O wait...

FTL... Ever heard of Tachyons? Guess who thought them up. Bases all covered?!

> Go fuck yourself

Ahhh... the latest greatest newest phrase as HVAC signs while jerkingOff.

Speaking of signs, HVAC what was the name written on your College Board Signs?
More importantly, did you shootByGun any one of them ...youKnow... signs?

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: Poet Pla(y)ing Tennis! Wimbledon Grasshopper Mode...” 
Enjo(y)... Salute… Cheers... Open your M I N D… Time it is Is IS 3PM somePlace. 

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#639514 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

Loopy says
> This is the typical kook/hippy mantra. Blame the USA. 

What in actual hell have you got against any hippy, you jerkingOffKookHVAC? 

ArindamJi, HVAC is a mole. He's an implant. Ignore HVAC's actual words. 

> *I* prefer our Western culture and society. *They* prefer a 
> caliphate with Shira law. *You* prefer to live in fantasy land with 
> physics that allow ftl travel. 

O looky, HVAC discovered his * key! Everybody DanSingħing Now now NOW?!   
  
Thanks for trying, HVAC. There exist more lifestyles than the two mere 
Western culture and your one go to phrase: Shira law. The Shira's did it!! 
------------

You seem to be very angry with your life circumstances. Either that or you're drunk a lot and tend to blubber.

I won't fight you

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#639516 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 9:06:38 PM UTC-4, HVAC wrote:
<trim>
> I won't fight you

You can't fight me.

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