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Options On North Korea

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First post2017-07-07 05:49 -0700
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  Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 05:49 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 06:34 -0700
      Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 07:35 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-07 06:57 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-07 09:09 -0700
      Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 09:13 -0700
        Re: Options On North Korea The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-07 18:29 -0700
          Re: Options On North Korea The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-07 18:32 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 14:10 -0700
      Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 15:10 -0700
        Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 17:12 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> - 2017-07-07 21:35 +0000
    do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 23:31 -0700
      Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-07 23:45 -0700
        Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 00:59 -0700
          Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 03:44 -0700
            Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 06:14 -0700
              Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 07:39 -0700
                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 18:06 -0700
                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 18:18 -0700
                    Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 04:35 -0700
                      Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 05:25 -0700
                      Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:09 -0400
                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:00 -0400
                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 05:07 -0700
                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 06:34 -0700
                    Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 03:47 -0700
                      Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 07:02 -0700
                        Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:40 -0400
                          Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 16:41 -0700
                            Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-10 17:23 -0700
                              Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 17:46 -0700
                                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-10 18:55 -0700
                                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 02:32 -0700
                                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 04:08 -0700
                        Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 16:38 -0700
                      Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 18:35 -0700
                        Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 02:31 -0700
                          Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 04:11 -0700
                            Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 04:50 -0700
                              Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 05:01 -0700
                                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:00 -0700
                                  Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:12 -0700
                                    Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:36 -0700
                                    Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:51 -0700
                                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 06:30 -0700
                          Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 11:38 -0700
              Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 13:59 -0700
                Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-07-08 15:14 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-08 11:42 -0500
    Never be two faced and less than 100% serious when it comes to nuclear weaponization Re: Options On North Korea Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-08 21:15 -0700
    Re: Options On North Korea Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2017-07-09 11:20 +0200
      Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 04:46 -0700
        Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 05:26 -0700
          Re: Options On North Korea Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-09 10:22 -0500
            Re: Options On North Korea Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-07-10 04:22 -0700
        Re: Options On North Korea Sегg io <innvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-09 10:12 -0500
        Re: Options On North Korea benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-10 18:12 -0400
    Re: Options On North Korea Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-07-09 18:29 -0400
      Re: Options On North Korea HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 17:55 -0700
    biological option Re: Options On North Korea Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2017-07-09 23:23 -0700

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#639921 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-11 05:01 -0700
SubjectRe: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea
Message-ID<f607f005-999d-4d8d-a706-6ba1330ad682@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639920
Loopy says
> 
> Loopy, where the fuck did you dig up this glue sniffing, homosexual, 
> fruit loop? Oh wait, let me guess... He's an injun? 

BanjoJi is of Indian Origin, living in Australia. He has his family photos on FB. 
------------

Figures. I honestly hate injuns. No offense to anyone tho.


Hey, speaking of... you HVAC have any family?
---------

Yes. Many brothers and sisters who all have children. My own 5 children. And....(wait for it) my first grandchild is awaiting HIS debut on planet Earth.

My family is my wealth.


Got any College history? 
--------

4 years. Right after my military service.

Say, what is your home address?

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#639928 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

FromArindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-11 06:00 -0700
SubjectRe: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea
Message-ID<8849c10f-dbe1-4342-b1a3-11f78ea7ea5b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639921
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 10:01:14 PM UTC+10, HVAC wrote:
> 
> Figures. I honestly hate injuns. No offense to anyone tho.
> 
Who likes hvac type usans? Who can like them??

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#639932 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-11 06:12 -0700
SubjectRe: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea
Message-ID<87b26784-e065-411d-b0cd-e570a06c9f26@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639928
Adrian Banjo says
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 10:01:14 PM UTC+10, HVAC wrote: 
> 
> Figures. I honestly hate injuns. No offense to anyone tho. 
> 
Who likes hvac type usans? Who can like them?? 
----------

How about this. Since you injuns hate 'Murica, you can all stay there in Inja. Meanwhile I will stay in the USA. 

What could be more fair?

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#639938 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

FromArindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-11 06:36 -0700
SubjectRe: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea
Message-ID<c62bd42a-d3fe-4b21-85f1-21467c6bb319@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639932
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:12:30 PM UTC+10, HVAC wrote:
> Adrian Banjo says
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 10:01:14 PM UTC+10, HVAC wrote: 
> > 
> > Figures. I honestly hate injuns. No offense to anyone tho. 
> > 
> Who likes hvac type usans? Who can like them?? 
> ----------
> 
> How about this. Since you injuns hate 'Murica, you can all stay there in Inja. Meanwhile I will stay in the USA. 
> 
> What could be more fair?

Hating hvac-type attitudes does not mean hating all usans or American.

The vast majority of Indian-origin people live in India.

If all usans are as horrid as hvac, then surely no one should dream of 
migrating to usa. 

Indians don't think that usans are as horrid as hvac when they seek to migrate.

I do agree though it would be very fair if the talented Indians remained in 
India and did not migrate to US. India would prosper like China, Japan, Korea.

From what I understand, the desire for Indians to migrate to US has gone down
considerably, and plenty of Indians in US are trying to return to India.

I never wanted to migrate to the US. But I did go there to present my paper 
which led to googling, back in 1987. Hmm, they did work on it didn't they and
now see the result... They swallowed it hook, line and sinker and now Indians
know so much and can know so much more. They won't be the beasts of burden of
the capitalist west which so totally wanted to deprive them. Not for nothing
do I call myself

Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole
god among lots devils 

with a 

heh-heh-heh-heh


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#639940 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-11 06:51 -0700
SubjectRe: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea
Message-ID<f30bff7a-648a-4948-ab31-657344eb25c5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639932
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, HVAC wrote:
> Adrian Banjo says
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 10:01:14 PM UTC+10, HVAC wrote: 
> > 
> > Figures. I honestly hate injuns. No offense to anyone tho. 
> > 
> Who likes hvac type usans? Who can like them?? 
> ----------
> 
> How about this. Since you injuns hate 'Murica, you can all stay
> there in Inja. Meanwhile I will stay in the USA.

Stay? Yeah... I know what that's like, nobody will fund your travels and visas.
Look on the bright side, if you do escape USA, you can claim to be a Canadian!

I tried to find Inja via Google Maps. The Inja search resulted in:
We==Google could not find Inja. Make sure your search is spelled correctly.
Wait ... what... I wasn't misconnected to the FakeGoogle?! I hate that!

> What could be more fair?

Fair? You HVAC could stop projecting that all USA 'Muricans are as stupidIdiotic as you are.
Everybody fucking LBGQT or HVAC style, in/on USA are foreigners to this here is my land...

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: d(me) != 0 ... me alwa(y)s changes...”  
Enjo(y)... Salute… Cheers... Open your M I N D… Time it is Is IS 3PM somePlace. 

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#639936 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-11 06:30 -0700
SubjectRe: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea
Message-ID<754de53d-32a1-4943-9d55-2a839507a1fb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639921
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:01:14 AM UTC-4, HVAC wrote:
> Loopy says
> > HVAC wrote:
> >> Loopy, where the fuck did you dig up this glue sniffing, homosexual, 
> >> fruit loop? Oh wait, let me guess... He's an injun? 
> 
> > BanjoJi is of Indian Origin, living in Australia. He has his family photos on FB. 
> ------------
> 
> Figures. I honestly hate injuns. No offense to anyone tho.

Honesty and HVAC don't mix. Offense and HVAC mix very well!

> Hey, speaking of... you HVAC have any family?
> ---------
> 
> Yes. Many brothers and sisters who all have children. My own 5
> children. And....(wait for it) my first grandchild is awaiting HIS
> debut on planet Earth.

Many? How many? That many? Wow! You really are Catholic?! I knew it.

What other planets is your family on/from?! Got passports/visas?
We Green Card all USVISITors here. Nevermind the GreenCard is coloured pink!
We just need your fingerprints, retina scans, ... stool samples, and bank accounts.
Customs Inquisition: Are you a Terrorist? Answer honestly, else suffer our Sitcoms!

Song? I just want to fl(y)... all around the world statues crumble for me Me ME...

> My family is my wealth.

Me too, I'm also strugglingInTheUSAworkForce, and living off family and friends.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/worddice/id1249825328?mt=8 WordDice. It's meApp!
All them 1.5 billion Indians put me out of work in corporate.gov.com USA SW IT. 
ThankU outsourced Indian Brothers?! Thank U thank U THANK U... the moment I jumped off...

> Got any College history? 
> --------
> 
> 4 years. Right after my military service.

Name the college. Potato peeler for a helicopter division? Not even a cook.

> Say, what is your home address?

You know me m(y) name, you do got White Pages or the WWW/IT, idiotHVAC? 
When you do show up at my open door, bring Vodka! Russian or Swedish or ...
Just not any Russian named vodkas distilled in Kentucky. Don't do that!
If you HVAC do do that, I will make you suffer by playing me m(y) bamboo flutes!!

FTR, DNC is a private USA corporation. TrumpETeers, stop mentioning Clinton/Obama.

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: Poet Pla(y)ing Tennis! Grasshopper Mode...” 
Enjo(y)... Salute… Cheers... Open your M I N D… Time it is Is IS 3PM somePlace. 

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#639982 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

FromMahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-11 11:38 -0700
SubjectRe: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea
Message-ID<f769370b-7cd7-447d-8068-e3fe0c305d9e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639908
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 5:31:38 AM UTC-4, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:35:26 AM UTC+10, Mahipal wrote:
> > On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 6:47:31 AM UTC-4, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 11:34:09 PM UTC+10, Mahipal wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 8:07:32 AM UTC-4, Arindam Banerjee wrote:

<trim>

> > > > Look on The Dark Side, you end up saving bozos like HVAC! He he...
> > > 
> > > He too has his purpose in the world. The concept of Light cannot
> > > exist without the Dark.  For serenity and peace, the Dark should be
> > > a memory, and not a reality.
> > 
> > Ever hear the poem/song Ek Andhera Lakh Sitare (== One Darkness, Millions of Stars)?
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyfxAzIWxFo Ek==One Andhera==Darkness... so great!
> > I've posted this song/link before, but not too many learned Hindus here. O(y)e...
> 
> I will look into this. If one had an eye as big as the Sun one could see no 
> space at all but all the stars in the universe in one solid mass of brilliance.
> Heavenly! 

That reads like you're extrapolating/interpeting the song. Poem's just so deep/good.
IndeevarJi is like one of my five top most favourite Poets/Lyricists. I adore Indeevar.

> > > > > As for going on with it, indeed I will and I do hope to get all the support
> > > > > I need from the good people of the world.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, that's asking for too much. In reality, it's The Anti-Social-Media.
> > > 
> > > Don't I know it. To these heartless and soulless sell-outs, the sneeze of a 
> > > popular celebrity is a million times more important than anything I do.
> > 
> > That's true the whole Earth over. Celebrities are mass marketed products.
> > Marketing Majors are the greatest liars of all, even greater than Politicians.
> > Even greater liars the whole Earth over? Glad you asked, The TrumpETs all!
> > The real question is: Why do liars with short ADD, think we all suffer it?
> > 
> > ADD? Attention Deficit Disorder. In case I/You/We/Them/... just forgot.
> 
> Good question. My answer is, that in our history at one stage learned people
> in power and authority were automatically respected. The masses are following
> blind habit by idolising the pumped-up celebs. There is not much difference
> between sheep and people. All the head honchos of organised religions know this
> basic fact. Repeat any lie repeatedly, decorate it with buildings, make 
> bearded figures say it impressively, then it becomes supreme truth for which
> they will not just give their lives but also their money. In a secular age,
> the pop merchants have replaced the beardos.

They're not always bearded. Besides, who had razors for shaving thousands of years ago?
I'm a clean shaved Sikh. My MomJi hates it when I don't shave. No beards for you!
She also says I'm gaining weight. Then she says I don't eat enough! O(y)e...

It is a good question and everyone should be asking it daily. Why do
stupid people think we're all stupid? USA's TrumpET: I love Stupid People.

> It does not work on everyone, but those few who do not buy their nonsenses are
> of course too few in number, disorganised, poor, etc. so they can be ignored
> and discreetly persecuted as necessary. Good ideas from them are not welcome 
> as they will show up the ruling ideologues as nincompoops if not criminals.

Do criminals know they're criminals? Of course they do.
Do insurance salesmen know they're politicians? Of course they do.  
Do politicians know they're hideous insurance salesmen? Of course they do.  
Do lawyers know they're lying within/above the laws' limits? Of course they do.
I could go on and On and ON! Moral? Jag Choro Ka Hai Dera (Bhagavad Gita==Song).
TAN MAN DHAN sab hai tera, BIN Tere... No no NO HVAC, those are not acronyms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3as3GN_GJ2Q tan man dhan sab hai tera

> Such is the situation as I find it, and the way the world works, it should 
> last indefinitely. However the world does change fast - no one in 1913 thought
> there would be two world wars coming up. One great mishap could be all that 
> takes to upset the apple cart.

Hey, no one thought the Iran/Iraq/USA/... wars would last longer than
the duration of WW1+WWII combined! It's GMICK at work 24/7. We need WAR!

> > > At present I am watching a TV show on the last 100 days of Diana. How badly
> > > the media hounded her, how her popularity in Australia led to her divorce with
> > > the envious Charles, etc. Sad. The last decent person in the West, she could
> > > not be allowed to exist, what.
> > 
> > I remember the day Diana died. In a billionaire's car crash, in a French tunnel.
> > I still find the accident story by a alleged drunk chauffeur very suspicious/fishy.
> 
> Yes. Dodi's father thinks so, too. 

Diana died in a car. JFK killed in a car. Venus Williams killed a man by a car...
I nearly got killed by a car. Man, I've got to learn to stay away from and out of cars!

<trim>

> I did think when I joined Usenet that there were millions of lurkers around who
> lapped up every written word by the few players. I got that impression when
> I read the terms and conditions that clearly stated that whatever we write can
> be read by millions for all time to come and we should remember this. So have
> the millions of possible lurkers never there to begin with, or have they 
> suddenly been born to live in the non-usenet cyberworld like fb and twitter?
> Some data will be welcome here.

All data would be, has been, FakeData! FakeBigData@# (TM, SM, and BMW).
There are lurkers and sharks in every NG. Just mention Rambo and note
how Usenet influences news media, for example. Sharks are here to steal...
I'm living proof that many people steal ideas from us all writing here.

People do read here, they just never ever mention non-existent Usenet. Never. 
Obviously, people do write here. Twitter, Facebook... get lots of mentions both!

> > Hey HVAC, did you go fishing when you went to college? Again, where?
> > Illuminati then do the car driving dramatically dance... Angels & Demons... 

Angels & Demons, with Tom Hanks and Ambigrams, gets funnier with each rewatch.
It's such a goofy movie, all said and done. It's got anti-matter, Italians, 
Vatican, yoga, female physicist, books, ... I'm gonna start a thread about A&D.

<trim>

> > For like my 7+ years of study, I had a habit of writing ENME-###
> > to identify which course the notes applied to. ENME is UMCP speak
> > for ENgineeringMEchanical. For EE, it was/is ENEE, and so on...
> > http://www.enme.umd.edu is UMCP's current/latest/greatest website.
> > I know nobody on UMCP's current ENME staff listing. I wonder why?
> 
> I had to get a job after doing my BTech from IITKgP and then did MTEch in CS
> part time from IITD. I did PhD studies for 3.5 years at RMIT, but could not
> complete due to matters I'd better not discuss in public. Anyway, that 
> study was not wasted, for it was useful to make some video films showing off
> my ideas about energy and motion that I have been talking about for the last
> 18 years. But I suppose you know this, for I have given out the links for the
> videos on youtube on this and other ngs. I need to do a few more experiments
> before I try to get support from the established institutions. There is a small
> chance they the IFE may be practical at lower currents, not in the order of
> millions of amps as is the present state.

Good luck! Btw, that's too many rare acronyms for me to be familiar with.
I most always try to define/identify the acronyms I sometimes use.
I've worked for USA corporate and governMental agencies, I despise acronyms!
NSA, CIA, D-Day, Enola GAY, ... what else do I have to SAY?! FIRE Billy Joel!
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=FIRE+Billy+Joel it's just so out there...

> > Time's greatest conspiracy against humanity: All==We Must Die (WMD)?!
> > 
> > ENME now sounds like ENME(y) to me. I recently rewatched an original
> > William Shatner as Captain Kirk in Star Trek reruns titled “The Enemy
> > Within.” Great episode.  Due to a transporter malfunction, Kirk gets
> > split into two selves, one evil and one good. Still, this time I kept
> > thinking, why not just land a shuttle on the frozen planet to go pick
> > up the stranded crew?! So what if the transporter is busted?! Drama?
> 
> Laziness? I don't like the transporter stuff as that is really unscientific.
> Star Trek would be much better without the e=mcc crap.

Remember that fictional Star Trek had the 3D printing of food contraptions.
Which came first, the Science or the Science Fiction? I want my Orgasmatron! 
Sleeper (1973). Woody Allen. Written by Allen and Marshall Brickman.

Well, e=mcc is not crap. It's fusion, photosynthesis. OneStone plagiarized e=mcc.
Italian physicists wrote/discovered e=mcc many years before OneStone claimed it.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=italian+physicists+e%3Dmc2 read away!
When I write 2 c me, it's a play on e=mcc. Play it backwards again, Sam. Cheers!
Obvious Casablanca reference. For U slutty lurking sharks, this is (TM, SM, and BMW).

> It may be that I have to take to scifi writing to make my new ideas in 
> physics popular.
> Not a bad idea, that.

Most all science ideas seem to get out only through science fiction writings.
But physics died with OneStone. Around 1913. Coincidence? Physics is now a 
Liberal Arts course/degree at most colleges/universites. Physics For Poets...

> > You're correct about thereHere being Einsteinian vipers! I call EinStein OneStone.
> > These days most people are tired of the myth of OneStone being the smartest ever!
> 
> Thank goodness. Here Tesla is making a huge comeback. There is one Elon Musk
> who had made a Tesla car and my children's generation are very keen about that.

Tesla was/is a genius! When I worked in NYC, I ought have visited his hotel room.

<trim>

> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee

-- Mahipal “IPMM... माहिपाल ७६३८: Poet Pla(y)ing Tennis! Wimbledon Grasshopper Mode...” 
Enjo(y)... Salute… Cheers... Open your M I N D… Time it is Is IS 3PM somePlace.

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#639480 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

From"reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-08 13:59 -0700
SubjectRe: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea
Message-ID<c27a1915-bff1-4d7d-88f9-f58c3ae0ffeb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639420
On Saturday, July 8, 2017 at 6:14:41 AM UTC-7, HVAC wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee
> - show quoted text -
> Those who could stomach Clinton, Bush1&2, Hillary Clinton, Obama... all great 
> mass murderers far worse than the NK kid. 
> And before that all the great 20th century killers: Stalin, Mao, Hitler, 
> Churchill, Truman, LBJ, Nixon... 
> > 
> > 
> > > A democracy that believes in assassination as a national policy imperils 
> > > each and every one of its citizens. 
> > > 
> > 
> > Think that one through, for you forget that one person is imperiling the entire world. Your ideas are too idealistic. 
> 
> No, they are highly practical. Today USAns pretend to be Canadians when abroad. 
> All anti-Jew countries are out of bounds for them. 
> > 
> > > Failed assassination attempts are pathetic, too. 
> > 
> > Now a modern day brush up on the Roman method of (2) is in keeping. 
> > 
> > For instance, we can have a UN type trial and jury, where preponderance of evidence is only needed, not beyond a shadow of doubt. 
> > 
> > So these facts. 
> > (1) NK leader kills his brother in Malaysia 
> > (2) NK leader tortures and causes death of Otto Warmbier 
> 
> That way the entire US Govt should be tried and shot for their infamous 
> mass-murdering policies all over the world. 
> Point is, the US cannot get rid of the NK kid. 
> If they could they would, no doubt. 
> 
> > 
> > With those facts:: jury poses sentence that NK leader be forcibly captured or .... 
> > 
> > End of story 
> 
> Fine, let us start with the US politicians. Catch them and try them for their 
> crimes against humanity. 
> 
> > What is pathetic is this planet has nearly 8 billion people and that one of them is so rogue, so imperiling all the other people on this planet, yet 8 billion foolishly languor and idle by while the rogue starts WW3 nuclear. 
> > 
> > Even idealists like you Arindam, has a moral obligation to put a halt to 1 man causing so much harm and damage to all the rest. 
> 
> He is not doing even 0.001% of the harm done by US all over the world. 
> 
> > If Hitler had been preempted it would have been better for the world, than to let one bad apple spoil so much of the world. 
> 
> Why just Hitler, why not Churchill, Stalin, Truman, Trotsky, Bush2 etc. etc. 
> along with Einstein, Gandi, Marx, etc. etc. 
> 
> The point is that assassination is a bad idea. It creates feelings of 
> revenge. And that goes on from generation to generation, creating wars and 
> violence. 
> 
> One has thus to be in the pocket of the arms companies in order to encourage 
> assassinations. 
> 
> The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand started WW1 which led to WW2. 
> 
> Have Westerners learnt nothing at all from that event? 
> > 
> > Bad and Good are always in a tussle in this world, but the worst is to let 1 bad make the world awful for everyone else. 
> 
> Indeed, so it is of the greatest importance to get rid of all the bad ideas 
> started by Einstein et al. And go for the new and great idea of mine, that 
> will give humanity unlimited power and faster than light travel. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Arindam Banerjee 
> -----------
> 
> This is the typical kook/hippy mantra. Blame the USA. 
> 
> *I* prefer our Western culture and society. *They* prefer a caliphate with Shira law. *You* prefer to live in fantasy land with physics that allow ftl travel.
> 
> Go fuck yourself

Lead in the Roman brain(they went nuts) was their down fall.USA has to much lead(due to cars) Thus we see America today.Trump is proof.  Trebert

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#639486 — Re: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2017-07-08 15:14 -0700
SubjectRe: do as the Romans did//and why they lasted 1,000 years as rulers Re: Options On North Korea
Message-ID<ojrlbh$hkf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#639480
reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> why
do you insist to be a bigger Hatemonger and malfeasant
Swine then you really are, no matter how sanctimoniously
you try to cover it up?... 
So, Bert avoid that self-indictment and see how to do it, 
in <http://tinyurl.com/The-Chosen-Graveyard-Vandal> 

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#639434

FromSегg io <innvalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-07-08 11:42 -0500
Message-ID<ojr222$f1h$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#639286
On 7/7/2017 7:49 AM, HVAC wrote:
> I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean nukes and long range missiles.
> 
> I disagree.
> 
ntrol nodes as well as troop and artillery emplacements.
> 
> 2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck 


Do no call 'Our Dear Leader' a "fat fuck" !!



[did Rodman say that ?]


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#639542 — Never be two faced and less than 100% serious when it comes to nuclear weaponization Re: Options On North Korea

FromArchimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-08 21:15 -0700
SubjectNever be two faced and less than 100% serious when it comes to nuclear weaponization Re: Options On North Korea
Message-ID<e89ca10a-2fd9-4621-a374-d11d94671e1e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639286
On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 7:49:33 AM UTC-5, HVAC wrote:
> I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean nukes and long range missiles. 
> 
> I disagree.
> 
> We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something.
> 
> Doing nothing has got us where we are today. This is the plan loved by BJ, Loopy and Poor John. But they are irrelevant so let's talk about what we CAN do.
> 
> In order of their efficacy:
> 
> 1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as well as troop and artillery emplacements.
> 
> 2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be sure to maintain plausible deniability)
> 
> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.
> 
> 4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China. They don't want a free North Korea.

And I wish we stopped being two-faced hypocrites about (2) for there is word or news almost weekly of Russian or someone else killing the IS leader in Syria or Iraq. The IS is not threatening nuclear war, which NK is threatening, and yet, there is not that energy, that zeal to dispatch the troublemaker.

It is about time that humanity realizes the danger involved in allowing Laxity, Relaxation, allowing off-guard, a lack of care in a despot heading for nuclear weapons. We have let this get out of hand, and before you know it, the world in flames with a nuclear war.

So, there we are in the deserts of the Middle East, tracking and hunting down a IS leader, while we let this criminal of humanity in NK build weapons that engulfs the entire world.

Stop this two faced hypocrisy, and put an end to anyone ** Growing Nuclear Weaponization**

Have the UN declare the NK leader has committed crimes::
1) murdered his brother
2) murdered Otto Warmbier

Those two are enough-- go in and get him.

AP

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#639565

FromAnonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org>
Date2017-07-09 11:20 +0200
Message-ID<1951ea02e4985422f42937f11b4193b5@hoi-polloi.org>
In reply to#639286
In article <ac625482-3932-4b36-85cd-145e66946d70@googlegroups.com>
HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ....
> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.

Okay, I'll ask, what is a 'Rod From God?'

> 4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China. They don't want a free North Korea.

True dat.

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#639567

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-09 04:46 -0700
Message-ID<3b035fed-f307-4401-a5c9-1cfc73b95beb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639565
Anonymous
In article <ac625482-3932-4b36-85cd-145e66946d70@googlegroups.com> 
HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> .... 
> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up. 

Okay, I'll ask, what is a 'Rod From God?' 
----------

Well, it's a KKW. A Kinetic Kill Weapon.

In it's simplest form it's just a tungsten 'rod' with a guidance system. You drop it from space.
The math is simple.
Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of the object and to the square of its velocity: K.E. = 1/2 m v2.

You can do the math yourself. 

Example is a 1000 kg rod impacting at 15,000 kph.

As you see this has the destructive power of a nuke, except it's green. No atomic radiation to deal with.

I have seen designs for space based systems that hold up to 20 of these rods. This design is a bit far off, but we have (black) options even today.

Hope this helps

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#639571

FromArindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-09 05:26 -0700
Message-ID<62a01cb4-d9df-4fef-a2f7-05e0043ae641@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639567
On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 9:46:58 PM UTC+10, HVAC wrote:
> Anonymous
> In article <ac625482-3932-4b36-85cd-145e66946d70@googlegroups.com> 
> HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > .... 
> > 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up. 
> 
> Okay, I'll ask, what is a 'Rod From God?' 
> ----------
> 
> Well, it's a KKW. A Kinetic Kill Weapon.
> 
> In it's simplest form it's just a tungsten 'rod' with a guidance system. You drop it from space.
> The math is simple.
> Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of the object and to the square of its velocity: K.E. = 1/2 m v2.
> 
> You can do the math yourself. 
> 
> Example is a 1000 kg rod impacting at 15,000 kph.
> 
> As you see this has the destructive power of a nuke, except it's green. No atomic radiation to deal with.
> 
> I have seen designs for space based systems that hold up to 20 of these rods. This design is a bit far off, but we have (black) options even today.
> 
> Hope this helps

What will happen when this rod falls into the sea?

heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh

NOTHING much will happen, and that will be totally different from a nuke
nuking the sea.

For a nuke like any bomb is an explosion, with energy given out by the kinetic
relationship between mass and energy, namely

e=0.5mVVN(N-k)

Given the evil that is the USA, it is good to find that their "scientists" are
now so incredibly stupid, with their stupidity matched by their arrogant
pigheadedness.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

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#639584

FromSегg io <innvalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-07-09 10:22 -0500
Message-ID<ojthn8$1iib$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#639571
On 7/9/2017 7:26 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 9:46:58 PM UTC+10, HVAC wrote:
>> Anonymous
>> In article <ac625482-3932-4b36-85cd-145e66946d70@googlegroups.com>
>> HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ....
>>> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.
>>
>> Okay, I'll ask, what is a 'Rod From God?'
>> ----------

>> Well, it's a KKW. A Kinetic Kill Weapon.
>>
>> In it's simplest form it's just a tungsten 'rod' with a guidance system. You drop it from space.
>> The math is simple.
>> Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of the object and to the square of its velocity: K.E. = 1/2 m v2.
>>
>> You can do the math yourself.
>>
>> Example is a 1000 kg rod impacting at 15,000 kph.

>> As you see this has the destructive power of a nuke, except it's green. No atomic radiation to deal with.
>>
>> I have seen designs for space based systems that hold up to 20 of these rods. This design is a bit far off, but we have (black) options even today.
>>
>> Hope this helps
> 
> What will happen when this rod falls into the sea?

> heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh
> 
> NOTHING much will happen, and that will be totally different from a nuke
> nuking the sea.
> 
> For a nuke like any bomb is an explosion, with energy given out by the kinetic
> relationship between mass and energy, namely
> 
> e=0.5mVVN(N-k)

> Given the evil that is the USA, it is good to find that their "scientists" are
> now so incredibly stupid, with their stupidity matched by their arrogant
> pigheadedness.

the scientests are excellent,

it is the gov that is...

...  think "Hillary" => totally brain dead, major malfunction, f*cked up



> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee
> 

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#639726

FromArindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-10 04:22 -0700
Message-ID<020f86e5-5930-465c-b817-3968fb50f720@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639584
On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 1:22:23 AM UTC+10, Sегg io wrote:
> On 7/9/2017 7:26 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 9:46:58 PM UTC+10, HVAC wrote:
> >> Anonymous
> >> In article <ac625482-3932-4b36-85cd-145e66946d70@googlegroups.com>
> >> HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ....
> >>> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.
> >>
> >> Okay, I'll ask, what is a 'Rod From God?'
> >> ----------
> 
> >> Well, it's a KKW. A Kinetic Kill Weapon.
> >>
> >> In it's simplest form it's just a tungsten 'rod' with a guidance system. You drop it from space.
> >> The math is simple.
> >> Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of the object and to the square of its velocity: K.E. = 1/2 m v2.
> >>
> >> You can do the math yourself.
> >>
> >> Example is a 1000 kg rod impacting at 15,000 kph.
> 
> >> As you see this has the destructive power of a nuke, except it's green. No atomic radiation to deal with.
> >>
> >> I have seen designs for space based systems that hold up to 20 of these rods. This design is a bit far off, but we have (black) options even today.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps
> > 
> > What will happen when this rod falls into the sea?
> 
> > heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh
> > 
> > NOTHING much will happen, and that will be totally different from a nuke
> > nuking the sea.
> > 
> > For a nuke like any bomb is an explosion, with energy given out by the kinetic
> > relationship between mass and energy, namely
> > 
> > e=0.5mVVN(N-k)
> 
> > Given the evil that is the USA, it is good to find that their "scientists" are
> > now so incredibly stupid, with their stupidity matched by their arrogant
> > pigheadedness.
> 
> the scientests are excellent,
> 
> it is the gov that is...
> 
> ...  think "Hillary" => totally brain dead, major malfunction, f*cked up

Which is why they fund all the e=mcc crap
> 
> 
> 
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee
> >

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#639583

FromSегg io <innvalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-07-09 10:12 -0500
Message-ID<ojth4s$1huj$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#639567
On 7/9/2017 6:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
> Anonymous
> In article <ac625482-3932-4b36-85cd-145e66946d70@googlegroups.com>
> HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ....
>> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.
> 
> Okay, I'll ask, what is a 'Rod From God?'
> ----------
> 
> Well, it's a KKW. A Kinetic Kill Weapon.
> 
> In it's simplest form it's just a tungsten 'rod' with a guidance system. You drop it from space.
> The math is simple.
> Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of the object and to the square of its velocity: K.E. = 1/2 m v2.
> 
> You can do the math yourself.
> 
> Example is a 1000 kg rod impacting at 15,000 kph.
> 
> As you see this has the destructive power of a nuke, except it's green. No atomic radiation to deal with.
> 
> I have seen designs for space based systems that hold up to 20 of these rods. This design is a bit far off, but we have (black) options even today.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 

that is true, design work 1980 ish on MRV said aim 3 around a city 
center like NYC, and the shock wave will take out a lot, then the 
explosions of them disintegrating.   Peacekeeper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_independently_targetable_reentry_vehicle#/media/File:LGM-118A_Peacekeeper_MIRV.jpg

I think the speed is more like 28,400 Km/hr though

5,226,508,800,000 J   for one warhead  or 15 TJ for 3  about 1/4 of 
hiroshima

https://www.easycalculation.com/physics/classical-physics/kinetic-energy.php

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#639825

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2017-07-10 18:12 -0400
Message-ID<5963fbb4$0$28910$c3e8da3$88b277c5@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#639567
On 7/9/2017 7:46 AM, HVAC wrote:
> Anonymous
> In article <ac625482-3932-4b36-85cd-145e66946d70@googlegroups.com>
> HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ....
>> 3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.
> 
> Okay, I'll ask, what is a 'Rod From God?'
> ----------
> 
> Well, it's a KKW. A Kinetic Kill Weapon.
> 
> In it's simplest form it's just a tungsten 'rod' with a guidance system. You drop it from space.
> The math is simple.
> Kinetic energy is directly proportional to the mass of the object and to the square of its velocity: K.E. = 1/2 m v2.
> 
> You can do the math yourself.
> 
> Example is a 1000 kg rod impacting at 15,000 kph.
> 
> As you see this has the destructive power of a nuke, except it's green. No atomic radiation to deal with.
> 
> I have seen designs for space based systems that hold up to 20 of these rods. This design is a bit far off, but we have (black) options even today.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
Hey, Harlow, does "anonymous" have a need to know?
Possible security breach reported.

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#639655

FromMichael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net>
Date2017-07-09 18:29 -0400
Message-ID<00b5mc9f8s50soq6ti7sopr91k66a6mmgd@4ax.com>
In reply to#639286
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 05:49:26 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean nukes and long range missiles. 
>
>I disagree.
>
>We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something.
>
>Doing nothing has got us where we are today.

No. Doing something via sanctions/PR (maybe not enough) has got us
here today.

...

>1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as well as troop and artillery emplacements.

They can nuke us while/before we're wasting nukes on a city that isn't
trying to nuke us. Assuming a friendly government takes over, we will
also feel obligated to clean up the mess.
 
>2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be sure to maintain plausible deniability)

A good option but we'll never get them all.

>3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up.

Same deficiency as one.

>4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China. They don't want a free North Korea. 

China is on board with sanctions last I heard. They don't care about
what we consider a "free North Korea".

North Korea and Iran will both get nuclear ICBMs if they want them.
You want to start another pre-emptive war. Most people don't.

I'd rather continue to improve our ABM capabilities and equip South
Korea and Japan with short/medium range ICBMs (e.g.Pershings)ICBMs so
they can respond in kind if any North Korean ones get through their
ABM system.

Mike
See you at the show trials - lol.
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Michael J. Strickland			Reston, VA
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#639674

FromHVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-09 17:55 -0700
Message-ID<94742751-4d24-424f-8dac-3ee0bd2b52f4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#639655
Michael Strickland
On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 05:49:26 -0700 (PDT), HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> 
wrote: 

>I hear it said that we have no real options regarding North Korean nukes and long range missiles. 
> 
>I disagree. 
> 
>We have 2 options. We can do nothing, or we can do something. 
> 
>Doing nothing has got us where we are today. 

No. Doing something via sanctions/PR (maybe not enough) has got us 
here today. 

... 

>1) The nuclear option. Nuke the capital city while simultaneously launching preemptive air strikes on command and control nodes as well as troop and artillery emplacements. 

They can nuke us while/before we're wasting nukes on a city that isn't 
trying to nuke us. Assuming a friendly government takes over, we will 
also feel obligated to clean up the mess. 
  
>2) Assassination. Just kill this fat fuck and his entire staff. (Be sure to maintain plausible deniability) 

A good option but we'll never get them all. 

>3) Same plan as #1 except we use a 'Rod From God' instead of a nuke. Total destruction with no nasty radiation to clean up. 

Same deficiency as one. 

>4) Continue sanctions. This obviously will be subverted by China. They don't want a free North Korea. 

China is on board with sanctions last I heard. They don't care about 
what we consider a "free North Korea". 

North Korea and Iran will both get nuclear ICBMs if they want them. 
You want to start another pre-emptive war. Most people don't. 

I'd rather continue to improve our ABM capabilities and equip South 
Korea and Japan with short/medium range ICBMs (e.g.Pershings)ICBMs so 
they can respond in kind if any North Korean ones get through their 
ABM system. 

Mike 
See you at the show trials - lol. 
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Well, I respect your opinion Mike. I also respectfully disagree. I see sanctions as doing nothing. Okay, we tried that, we tried sanctions. All they have done is punish the civilian population of the North and give Sun Mung Moon or whatever the fuck his name is, time to develop his nuke program while simultaneously develop long range missiles. I too would like to see thaad type systems improved. Because so far they suck. And the stakes are insanely high. 

The answer is that there is no acceptable answer that will satisfy everyone. North Korea has played the west like fools. I hope it works out but I am not encouraged

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