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Which One Is Which?

Started byClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@FakeAddress.com>
First post2017-05-21 14:04 -0500
Last post2017-05-24 18:59 -0700
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  Which One Is Which? ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@FakeAddress.com> - 2017-05-21 14:04 -0500
    Re: Which One Is Which? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-05-21 13:56 -0700
    Re: Which One Is Which? Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-05-21 16:21 -0500
    Re: Which One Is Which? "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-05-22 22:52 -0700
      Re: Which One Is Which? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-05-23 12:33 -0700
      Re: Which One Is Which? ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@FakeAddress.com> - 2017-05-24 20:04 -0500
        Re: Which One Is Which? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-05-25 01:38 +0000
          Re: Which One Is Which? ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@FakeAddress.com> - 2017-05-30 21:27 -0500
            Re: Which One Is Which? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-05-30 21:08 -0700
            Re: Which One Is Which? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-05-31 04:44 +0000
              Re: Which One Is Which? Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-05-31 08:28 -0500
              Re: Which One Is Which? ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 20:56 -0700
                Re: Which One Is Which? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-06-05 12:37 -0700
        Re: Which One Is Which? "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-05-24 18:59 -0700

#634005 — Which One Is Which?

FromClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@FakeAddress.com>
Date2017-05-21 14:04 -0500
SubjectWhich One Is Which?
Message-ID<1fcl3vel9pyku.zil0n19mc08u$.dlg@40tude.net>
If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it and the
other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles as which
one is which, then how we determine which one is which?

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#634017

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2017-05-21 13:56 -0700
Message-ID<5921FEF8.1CF8@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#634005
ClutterFreak Incarnate wrote:
> 
> If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it and the
> other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles as which
> one is which, then how we determine which one is which?

i don't know.

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#634024

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-05-21 16:21 -0500
Message-ID<oft0d6$19eu$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#634005
On 5/21/2017 2:04 PM, ClutterFreak Incarnate wrote:
> If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it and the
> other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles as which
> one is which, then how we determine which one is which?
> 

super washing soda is 85% Sodium Carbonate (rest is water)
anhydrous Na2CO3,Sodium carbonate crystallizes from water to form three 
different hydrates:

     sodium carbonate decahydrate (natron), Na2CO3·10H2O.
     sodium carbonate heptahydrate (not known in mineral form), Na2CO3·7H2O.
     sodium carbonate monohydrate (thermonatrite), Na2CO3·H2O.

density
2.54 g/cm3 (25 °C, anhydrous)
1.92 g/cm3 (856 °C)
2.25 g/cm3 (monohydrate)[1]
1.51 g/cm3 (heptahydrate)
1.46 g/cm3 (decahydrate)[2]


..................................
Borax, also known as sodium borate, sodium tetraborate, or disodium 
tetraborate

The term borax is often used for a number of closely related minerals or 
chemical compounds that differ in their crystal water content:

     Anhydrous borax (Na2B4O7)
     Borax pentahydrate (Na2B4O7·5H2O)
     Borax decahydrate (Na2B4O7·10H2O)

density (solid)
1.73 g/cm3 (solid)

........................

one has carbon, the other boron, unknown is the water content. So heat 
them both up to drive out the water, then determine the density.

or you could put some ants in each bottle, one kills ants

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#634172

From"nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-22 22:52 -0700
Message-ID<f2cc97d3-a883-4e2d-8ca5-9f06290aa11e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#634005
On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 12:04:54 PM UTC-7, ClutterFreak Incarnate wrote:
> If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it and the
> other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles as which
> one is which, then how we determine which one is which?

  What are the bottles made of?

  The boron in the borax can be detected using NMR, neutron activation, etc.

  (I suppose you have some "traditional Persian" method unknown to Western science in mind...)

  I suspect the reflectivity will be a bit different too.


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#634214

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2017-05-23 12:33 -0700
Message-ID<og22kt$ofu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#634172
Mark L. Fergerson "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> wrote
> "Serg io" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> "ClutterFreak Incarnate" <Clutter@FakeAddress.com>
aka the Radial Iranian Islamist Mehram Maleki wrote:
>> If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it and 
>> the
>> other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles as 
>> which
>> one is which, then how we determine which one is which?
>
"Serg io" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
<snipped stupid cut & paste Sergiola that ended with
> or you could put some ants in each bottle, one kills ants
>
Mark L. Ferkel wrote:
>  What are the bottles made of?
>  The boron in the borax can be detected using NMR, neutron activation, 
> etc.
>  (I suppose you have some "traditional Persian" method unknown to Western 
> science in mind...)
>  I suspect the reflectivity will be a bit different too.
>
hanson wrote:
1st things 1st. Maleki defines his issues very poorly.
Ferkel & the Russian Serge are irrational to suggest
that 20 cents worth of "washing iaid chems, Soda or Borat
ought to be tested using $100 worth of el. Testing.
>
So, solve it by  pouring some Vinegar or lemon juice onto it.
The one that bubbles/foams is the Soda. Duh!
>
Now then, Maleki Iranian Shiite posted his tripe after
Trump went the to his ark-enemy, the Sunni Saudis,
and lambasted the Iranians to be Terrorist Losers.
>
So, Maleki was hoping to bait Jew Swine Glazier
to have cause for posting Maleki's usual AS tripe:
in which

Maleki says:
Maldrecki who is a Neo-Nazi "Anon Y. Mouse"-shit
<nobody@home.invalid> with his Quisling-fjord undertones
who, with amongst his other nyms, is the criminal
Identity thief from <news:oaa7dl$19rf$1@gioia.aioe.org>

who baits and __ *uses*__  Jew "reber G=emc^2"
<herbertglazier0@gmail.com>, by sanctimoniously
"defending" Full Swine Glazier to further  the viciously
Anti-Semitic obsessions and fixation of Neo-Nazi
"Anon Y. Mouse"-dreck.... while
>
<http://tinyurl.com/Loudmouth-Glazier-8Feb2017>Glazier>,
the Cretin & Jewish Jailbird, is taking Neo-Nazi Mouse-shit's
bait with "Shrieks of impotent rage" & even sucks up to the
Neo-Nazi Mouse-dreck who said:
>
Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said:
"Israel will not survive the next 25 years,  the Jewish
state will be hounded until it is destroyed."... and..
>
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said: ~ "Israel's Cities
are very convenient for our nukes. Lots of Jews are
concentrated there. It's like shooting fish in a barrel"
>
to which Neo-Nazi "Anon Y. Mouse"-dreck added:
>
"Hitler was a visionary, who broadcast just before
his demise in 45, in which Hitler said:
>
*** "in a 100 years from now the world will be
***  grateful for what I, Hitler have started". ---..
>
and Maleki-Nazi "Anon Y. Mouse"-shit then added
that <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> anagrams
to ___"reber A. Hitler, z0g@ gmail.com" ___
 

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#634327

FromClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@FakeAddress.com>
Date2017-05-24 20:04 -0500
Message-ID<4lfu5ummnboh$.11qqpeq4bl565$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#634172
On Mon, 22 May 2017 22:52:19 -0700 (PDT), nuny@bid.nes
wrote:

> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 12:04:54 PM UTC-7, ClutterFreak Incarnate wrote:
>> If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it and the
>> other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles as which
>> one is which, then how we determine which one is which?
> 
>   What are the bottles made of?
> 
>   The boron in the borax can be detected using NMR, neutron activation, etc.
> 
>   (I suppose you have some "traditional Persian" method unknown to Western science in mind...)
> 
>   I suspect the reflectivity will be a bit different too.
> 
> 
>   Mark L. Fergerson

No you're reading too much into it. Bottles are glass
jars. I want to know how to distinguish between them at
home with household items, not in a lab. Sergio's
suggestion is not that easy, I'm not sure simply
heating them will get rid of the water. 

How about burning them in a candle's flame and
observing the color. Something about Boron's energy
levels must be different from those of carbon :)

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#634330

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-05-25 01:38 +0000
Message-ID<c5phvd-ln4.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#634327
ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 May 2017 22:52:19 -0700 (PDT), nuny@bid.nes
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 12:04:54 PM UTC-7, ClutterFreak Incarnate wrote:
>>> If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it and the
>>> other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles as which
>>> one is which, then how we determine which one is which?
>> 
>>   What are the bottles made of?
>> 
>>   The boron in the borax can be detected using NMR, neutron activation, etc.
>> 
>>   (I suppose you have some "traditional Persian" method unknown to Western science in mind...)
>> 
>>   I suspect the reflectivity will be a bit different too.
>> 
>> 
>>   Mark L. Fergerson
> 
> No you're reading too much into it. Bottles are glass
> jars. I want to know how to distinguish between them at
> home with household items, not in a lab. Sergio's
> suggestion is not that easy, I'm not sure simply
> heating them will get rid of the water. 
> 
> How about burning them in a candle's flame and
> observing the color. Something about Boron's energy
> levels must be different from those of carbon :)

http://www.webmineral.com/help/FlameTest.shtml#.WSY1eDe1tD8


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#634821

FromClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@FakeAddress.com>
Date2017-05-30 21:27 -0500
Message-ID<1ws4ks9hwj8r1.1t63icrggs2$.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#634330
On Thu, 25 May 2017 01:38:20 -0000,
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

> ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 May 2017 22:52:19 -0700 (PDT), nuny@bid.nes
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 12:04:54 PM UTC-7, ClutterFreak Incarnate wrote:
>>>> If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it and the
>>>> other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles as which
>>>> one is which, then how we determine which one is which?
>>> 
>>>   What are the bottles made of?
>>> 
>>>   The boron in the borax can be detected using NMR, neutron activation, etc.
>>> 
>>>   (I suppose you have some "traditional Persian" method unknown to Western science in mind...)
>>> 
>>>   I suspect the reflectivity will be a bit different too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Mark L. Fergerson
>> 
>> No you're reading too much into it. Bottles are glass
>> jars. I want to know how to distinguish between them at
>> home with household items, not in a lab. Sergio's
>> suggestion is not that easy, I'm not sure simply
>> heating them will get rid of the water. 
>> 
>> How about burning them in a candle's flame and
>> observing the color. Something about Boron's energy
>> levels must be different from those of carbon :)
> 
> http://www.webmineral.com/help/FlameTest.shtml#.WSY1eDe1tD8

I could not observe the difference. Borax I expected to
show greenish color while carbon the usual color of
fire. But both powders burned with same color. The only
difference I observed was that one puffed up like
popcorn while burning and the other just burnt off
without going through additional physical changes. 

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#634828

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2017-05-30 21:08 -0700
Message-ID<oglfct$si2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#634821
______   A full week has passed and yet still not getting it...
the Persian Neo-Nazi Mehram Maleki "ClutterFreak Incarnate"
<Clutter@FakeAddress.com> still clutters & stutters after:
[trim]

"Jim Pennino"<jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote i
<http://www.webmineral.com/help/FlameTest.shtml#.WSY1eDe1tD8>
>
& Mark L. Fergerson <nuny@bid.nes> wrote:
The boron in the borax can be detected using NMR, neutron activation, etc.
(I suppose you have some "traditional Persian" method unknown to Western 
science in mind...)
I suspect the reflectivity will be a bit different too.
>>>
"ClutterFreak Incarnate" cluttered & wrote:
Mark L. Fergerson listen, Bottles are glass jars.
I want to know how to distinguish between them at
home with household items, not in a lab. Sergio's
suggestion is not that easy, I'm not sure simply
heating them will get rid of the water.
>
How about burning them in a candle's flame and
observing the color. Something about Boron's energy
levels must be different from those of carbon :)
>

7 days later, "ClutterFreak Incarnate" Maldrecki wrote:
I could not observe the difference. Borax I expected to
show greenish color while carbon the usual color of
fire. But both powders burned with same color. The only
difference I observed was that one puffed up like
popcorn while burning and the other just burnt off
without going through additional physical changes.
>
Already a week ago, hanson wrote:
The Na's yellow hi-intensity will drown and mask all
green emissions from the Boron, you moron.
How about pouring some Vinegar or Lemon juice onto it.
The one that bubbles/foams/fizzes is the Soda**. Duh!
Na2CO3 + 2 HAc = 2 NaAc + H2O + **CO2**...
>
Now then Maleki, you the Iranian Shiite posted his
tripe right after Trump went the to your ark-enemy,
the Sunni Saudis, and lambasted the Iranians to be
Terrorist Losers.
>
So, you Maleki was hoping to bait Jew Swine Glazier
for you to have cause for posting Maleki's usual AS
tripe in which

Maleki says:
Maldrecki, who is the Neo-Nazi "Anon Y. Mouse"-shit
<nobody@home.invalid> with his Quisling-fjord undertones
who, with amongst his other nyms, is the criminal
Identity thief from <news:oaa7dl$19rf$1@gioia.aioe.org>

who baits and __ *uses*__  Jew "reber G=emc^2"
<herbertglazier0@gmail.com>, by sanctimoniously
"defending" Full Swine Glazier to further  the viciously
Anti-Semitic obsessions and fixation of Neo-Nazi
"Anon Y. Mouse"-maldrecki.... while
>
<http://tinyurl.com/Loudmouth-Glazier-8Feb2017>Glazier>,
the Cretin & Jewish Jailbird, is taking Neo-Nazi Mouse-shit's
bait with "Shrieks of impotent rage" & even sucks up to the
Neo-Nazi Mouse-drecki who said:
>
Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said:
"Israel will not survive the next 25 years,  the Jewish
state will be hounded until it is destroyed."... and..
>
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said: ~ "Israel's Cities
are very convenient for our nukes. Lots of Jews are
concentrated there. It's like shooting fish in a barrel"
>
to which Neo-Nazi "Anon Y. Mouse"-drecki added:
>
"Hitler was a visionary, who broadcast just before
his demise in 45, in which Hitler said:
>
*** "in a 100 years from now the world will be
***  grateful for what I, Hitler have started". ---..
>
and Maleki-Nazi "Anon Y. Mouse"-shit then added
that <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> anagrams
to ___"reber A. Hitler, z0g@ gmail.com" ___

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#634830

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-05-31 04:44 +0000
Message-ID<3au10e-3v1.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#634821
ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2017 01:38:20 -0000,
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> 
>> ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 May 2017 22:52:19 -0700 (PDT), nuny@bid.nes
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 12:04:54 PM UTC-7, ClutterFreak Incarnate wrote:
>>>>> If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it and the
>>>>> other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles as which
>>>>> one is which, then how we determine which one is which?
>>>> 
>>>>   What are the bottles made of?
>>>> 
>>>>   The boron in the borax can be detected using NMR, neutron activation, etc.
>>>> 
>>>>   (I suppose you have some "traditional Persian" method unknown to Western science in mind...)
>>>> 
>>>>   I suspect the reflectivity will be a bit different too.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   Mark L. Fergerson
>>> 
>>> No you're reading too much into it. Bottles are glass
>>> jars. I want to know how to distinguish between them at
>>> home with household items, not in a lab. Sergio's
>>> suggestion is not that easy, I'm not sure simply
>>> heating them will get rid of the water. 
>>> 
>>> How about burning them in a candle's flame and
>>> observing the color. Something about Boron's energy
>>> levels must be different from those of carbon :)
>> 
>> http://www.webmineral.com/help/FlameTest.shtml#.WSY1eDe1tD8
> 
> I could not observe the difference. Borax I expected to
> show greenish color while carbon the usual color of
> fire. But both powders burned with same color. The only
> difference I observed was that one puffed up like
> popcorn while burning and the other just burnt off
> without going through additional physical changes. 

https://www.flinnsci.com/spectroscope/ap8696/


-- 
Jim Pennino

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#634852

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2017-05-31 08:28 -0500
Message-ID<ogmgf5$k13$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#634830
On 5/30/2017 11:44 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 May 2017 01:38:20 -0000,
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>
>>> ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 22 May 2017 22:52:19 -0700 (PDT), nuny@bid.nes
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 12:04:54 PM UTC-7, ClutterFreak Incarnate wrote:
>>>>>> If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it and the
>>>>>> other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles as which
>>>>>> one is which, then how we determine which one is which?
>>>>>
>>>>>    What are the bottles made of?

>>>>>    The boron in the borax can be detected using NMR, neutron activation, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>    (I suppose you have some "traditional Persian" method unknown to Western science in mind...)
>>>>>
>>>>>    I suspect the reflectivity will be a bit different too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Mark L. Fergerson

>>>> No you're reading too much into it. Bottles are glass
>>>> jars. I want to know how to distinguish between them at
>>>> home with household items, not in a lab. Sergio's
>>>> suggestion is not that easy, I'm not sure simply
>>>> heating them will get rid of the water.
>>>>
>>>> How about burning them in a candle's flame and
>>>> observing the color. Something about Boron's energy
>>>> levels must be different from those of carbon :)
>>>
>>> http://www.webmineral.com/help/FlameTest.shtml#.WSY1eDe1tD8

>> I could not observe the difference. Borax I expected to
>> show greenish color while carbon the usual color of
>> fire. But both powders burned with same color. The only
>> difference I observed was that one puffed up like
>> popcorn while burning and the other just burnt off
>> without going through additional physical changes.
> 
> https://www.flinnsci.com/spectroscope/ap8696/
> 
> 

[the puffed up one had lots of water (hydrate) in it(?))


specs on above link, lots on ebay too;

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Have fun viewing different light sources you see every day to determine 
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#635349

FromClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-04 20:56 -0700
Message-ID<d647d368-45de-4b2b-ab77-b76cb8ae3bf5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#634830
On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 12:01:07 AM UTC-5, ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 May 2017 01:38:20 -0000,
> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
> > 
> >> ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 22 May 2017 22:52:19 -0700 (PDT), nuny@bid.nes
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 12:04:54 PM UTC-7, ClutterFreak Incarnate wrote:
> >>>>> If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it and the
> >>>>> other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles as which
> >>>>> one is which, then how we determine which one is which?
> >>>> 
> >>>>   What are the bottles made of?
> >>>> 
> >>>>   The boron in the borax can be detected using NMR, neutron activation, etc.
> >>>> 
> >>>>   (I suppose you have some "traditional Persian" method unknown to Western science in mind...)
> >>>> 
> >>>>   I suspect the reflectivity will be a bit different too.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>   Mark L. Fergerson
> >>> 
> >>> No you're reading too much into it. Bottles are glass
> >>> jars. I want to know how to distinguish between them at
> >>> home with household items, not in a lab. Sergio's
> >>> suggestion is not that easy, I'm not sure simply
> >>> heating them will get rid of the water. 
> >>> 
> >>> How about burning them in a candle's flame and
> >>> observing the color. Something about Boron's energy
> >>> levels must be different from those of carbon :)
> >> 
> >> http://www.webmineral.com/help/FlameTest.shtml#.WSY1eDe1tD8
> > 
> > I could not observe the difference. Borax I expected to
> > show greenish color while carbon the usual color of
> > fire. But both powders burned with same color. The only
> > difference I observed was that one puffed up like
> > popcorn while burning and the other just burnt off
> > without going through additional physical changes. 
> 
> https://www.flinnsci.com/spectroscope/ap8696/
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim Pennino

That's a cool device, didn't know how inexpensive they 
can be. The spectrometer I first time became familiar 
with was the size of a refrigerator :) The year was 
1972. Of course it had the camera and film developing 
process all in itself. 

As cheap as the one you pointed at is, still to stick 
to household material instead of ordering something one 
can make a simple but quite effective one using a CD. 
Instructions are at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl42pnUbCCA&ytbChannel=MIT+OpenCourseWare

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#635419

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2017-06-05 12:37 -0700
Message-ID<oh4bmm$521$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#635349
"ClutterFreak" <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:d647d368-45de-4b2b-ab77-b76cb8ae3bf5@googlegroups.com...
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 12:01:07 AM UTC-5, 
> ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 25 May 2017 01:38:20 -0000,
>> > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> ClutterFreak Incarnate <Clutter@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 22 May 2017 22:52:19 -0700 (PDT), nuny@bid.nes
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 12:04:54 PM UTC-7, ClutterFreak Incarnate 
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> If we have two identical bottles one with Super Washing Soda in it 
>> >>>>> and the
>> >>>>> other with Borax in it, with no information written on the bottles 
>> >>>>> as which
>> >>>>> one is which, then how we determine which one is which?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   What are the bottles made of?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   The boron in the borax can be detected using NMR, neutron 
>> >>>> activation, etc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   (I suppose you have some "traditional Persian" method unknown to 
>> >>>> Western science in mind...)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   I suspect the reflectivity will be a bit different too.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>   Mark L. Fergerson
>> >>>
>> >>> No you're reading too much into it. Bottles are glass
>> >>> jars. I want to know how to distinguish between them at
>> >>> home with household items, not in a lab. Sergio's
>> >>> suggestion is not that easy, I'm not sure simply
>> >>> heating them will get rid of the water.
>> >>>
>> >>> How about burning them in a candle's flame and
>> >>> observing the color. Something about Boron's energy
>> >>> levels must be different from those of carbon :)
>> >>
>> >> http://www.webmineral.com/help/FlameTest.shtml#.WSY1eDe1tD8
>> >
>> > I could not observe the difference. Borax I expected to
>> > show greenish color while carbon the usual color of
>> > fire. But both powders burned with same color. The only
>> > difference I observed was that one puffed up like
>> > popcorn while burning and the other just burnt off
>> > without going through additional physical changes.
>>
>> https://www.flinnsci.com/spectroscope/ap8696/
-- 
>> Jim Pennino
>
> That's a cool device, didn't know how inexpensive they
> can be. The spectrometer I first time became familiar
> with was the size of a refrigerator :) The year was
> 1972. Of course it had the camera and film developing
> process all in itself.
>
> As cheap as the one you pointed at is, still to stick
> to household material instead of ordering something one
> can make a simple but quite effective one using a CD.
> Instructions are at:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl42pnUbCCA&ytbChannel=MIT+OpenCourseWare
>
>
.... ahahahaha... use Vinegar or Lemon juice, Mehram
Maleki, you blistering moron.  The one that fizzes is
Na2CO3  + 2 HAc =  2 NaAc + H2O + CO2 that bubbles.
Mehram, thank your Allah that you are more stupid then
the "proud Jewis Cretin Glazier, the Full Swine. LOL 

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#634332

From"hanson" <hanson@quick.net>
Date2017-05-24 18:59 -0700
Message-ID<og5dkv$sfl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#634327
The Persian Neo-Nazi Mehram Maleki "ClutterFreak Incarnate" 
<Clutter@FakeAddress.com> cluttered & wrote:
[trim]
>  Mark L. Fergerson listen, Bottles are glass jars.
> I want to know how to distinguish between them at
> home with household items, not in a lab. Sergio's
> suggestion is not that easy, I'm not sure simply
> heating them will get rid of the water. 
> 
> How about burning them in a candle's flame and
> observing the color. Something about Boron's energy
> levels must be different from those of carbon :)
>
hanson wrote:
The Na's yellow hi-intensity will drown and mask all 
green emissions from the Boron, you moron. 
How about pouring some Vinegar or Lemon juice onto it. 
The one that bubbles/foams is the Soda. Duh!
>
Now then, you Maleki, the Iranian Shiite posted his 
tripe right after Trump went the to your ark-enemy, 
the Sunni Saudis, and lambasted the Iranians to be 
Terrorist Losers.
>
So, you Maleki was hoping to bait Jew Swine Glazier
for you to have cause for posting Maleki's usual AS
tripe in which

Maleki says:
Maldrecki, who is the Neo-Nazi "Anon Y. Mouse"-shit
<nobody@home.invalid> with his Quisling-fjord undertones
who, with amongst his other nyms, is the criminal
Identity thief from <news:oaa7dl$19rf$1@gioia.aioe.org>

who baits and __ *uses*__  Jew "reber G=emc^2"
<herbertglazier0@gmail.com>, by sanctimoniously
"defending" Full Swine Glazier to further  the viciously
Anti-Semitic obsessions and fixation of Neo-Nazi
"Anon Y. Mouse"-maldrecki.... while
>
<http://tinyurl.com/Loudmouth-Glazier-8Feb2017>Glazier>,
the Cretin & Jewish Jailbird, is taking Neo-Nazi Mouse-shit's
bait with "Shrieks of impotent rage" & even sucks up to the
Neo-Nazi Mouse-drecki who said:
>
Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said:
"Israel will not survive the next 25 years,  the Jewish
state will be hounded until it is destroyed."... and..
>
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said: ~ "Israel's Cities
are very convenient for our nukes. Lots of Jews are
concentrated there. It's like shooting fish in a barrel"
>
to which Neo-Nazi "Anon Y. Mouse"-drecki added:
>
"Hitler was a visionary, who broadcast just before
his demise in 45, in which Hitler said:
>
*** "in a 100 years from now the world will be
***  grateful for what I, Hitler have started". ---..
>
and Maleki-Nazi "Anon Y. Mouse"-shit then added
that <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> anagrams
to ___"reber A. Hitler, z0g@ gmail.com" ___
 

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