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  No Mars travel for Mankind Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-29 10:28 -0500
    Re: No Mars travel for Mankind noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 09:33 -0700
    Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-07-29 11:13 -0700
      Re: No Mars travel for Mankind The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-07-29 11:41 -0700
      Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-03 15:54 -0500
        Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-08-05 12:14 -0700
          Re: No Mars travel for Mankind "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 13:57 -0700
            Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-08-09 14:23 -0700
    Re: No Mars travel for Mankind The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-07-29 11:24 -0700
    Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Jerry Kraus <jkraus1999@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 12:23 -0700
      Re: No Mars travel for Mankind brandonahenley9@gmail.com - 2016-07-29 12:54 -0700
        Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-07-30 15:07 +0000
          Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-30 17:24 -0500
            Re: No Mars travel for Mankind benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-30 18:43 -0400
          Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-31 12:05 +0200
            Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-31 08:59 -0500
              Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-31 09:07 -0500
                Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-07-31 18:12 +0000
                  Re: No Mars travel for Mankind "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 14:47 -0700
            Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-07-31 18:07 +0000
              Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-01 01:31 +0200
                Re: No Mars travel for Mankind fr314159@gmail.com - 2016-08-01 08:46 -0700
                  Re: No Mars travel for Mankind "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 11:02 -0700
                    Re: No Mars travel for Mankind "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-08-01 15:51 -0700
                  Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-01 20:08 +0200
                    Re: No Mars travel for Mankind fr314159@gmail.com - 2016-08-01 13:17 -0700
                      Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-02 00:57 +0200
                        Re: No Mars travel for Mankind jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-01 23:34 +0000
                          Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 04:39 -0700
                            Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-03 12:49 -0500
                              Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 06:50 -0700
                                Re: No Mars travel for Mankind "Eduardo Efftardo" <invalid@example.com> - 2016-08-06 13:27 -0700
                        Re: No Mars travel for Mankind The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-01 16:49 -0700
                        Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-08-02 12:13 +0000
            Re: No Mars travel for Mankind noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 12:40 -0700
      Re: No Mars travel for Mankind jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-29 22:19 +0000
        Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-29 17:40 -0500
          Re: No Mars travel for Mankind jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-29 22:55 +0000
          Re: No Mars travel for Mankind osbornfg@gmail.com - 2016-08-02 06:54 -0700
    Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-07-29 19:20 -0400
      Re: No Mars travel for Mankind jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-30 00:22 +0000
        Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-07-30 19:09 +0000
          Re: No Mars travel for Mankind jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-30 23:20 +0000
    No Mars travel for Mankind HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 10:53 -0700
      Re: No Mars travel for Mankind benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-30 18:02 -0400
      Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-07-31 06:44 +0000
        Re: No Mars travel for Mankind Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-31 09:02 -0500

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#591143 — No Mars travel for Mankind

Artical in todays WSJ on page 2, says  space radiation causes heart 
disease,

former astronoughts were studied

And they were in space a average of only 15 days

weightlessness and radiation made blood vessels stiff


forget Moon, Mars etc.

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#591157

what sort of rads;
the UrinaL is fUn

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#591170

On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 8:29:04 AM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> Artical in todays WSJ on page 2, says  space radiation causes heart 
> disease,
> 
> former astronoughts were studied
> 
> And they were in space a average of only 15 days
> 
> weightlessness and radiation made blood vessels stiff
> 
> 
> forget Moon, Mars etc.


What does the WSJ know about science anyway?  Maybe a tip on a mutual fund!

Double-A

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#591177

Double-A wrote:
> 
> On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 8:29:04 AM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> > Artical in todays WSJ on page 2, says  space radiation causes heart
> > disease,
> >
> > former astronoughts were studied
> >
> > And they were in space a average of only 15 days
> >
> > weightlessness and radiation made blood vessels stiff
> >
> >
> > forget Moon, Mars etc.
> 
> What does the WSJ know about science anyway?  Maybe a tip on a mutual fund!
> 
> Double-A

They know 'science guys' want to make money...

How they go about doing it is what the WSJ is about.


It doesn't matter if you sell diapers, cocaine or life on mars...it's the business the wsj is in.


In other words, any industry that takes in a billion dollars, WSJ wants to know about.


If you're ripping off Medicare and making a billion dollars...wsj wants the story.


If you say there is life on mars and you take a billion dollars...and there isn't life on mars, it's a medicare ripoff.


It dosen't matter if you're honest or a crook, if you're making money with it...wsj want to know how you're doing it.


Where did albert einstein get the money to buld an atomic bomb?

He did it with a simple letter to the guys who had some money...

http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/einstein.shtml#first



http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/Albert_Einstein/Albert_Einstein_The-Man-Who-Built-The-Atomic-Bomb.html


How did they 'the science guys' make money? Patent everything.

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#591767

On 7/29/2016 1:13 PM, Double-A wrote:
> On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 8:29:04 AM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
>> Artical in todays WSJ on page 2, says  space radiation causes heart
>> disease,
>>
>> former astronoughts were studied
>>
>> And they were in space a average of only 15 days
>>
>> weightlessness and radiation made blood vessels stiff
>>
>>
>> forget Moon, Mars etc.
>
>
> What does the WSJ know about science anyway?  Maybe a tip on a mutual fund!
>
> Double-A
>

Ha! mutual funds, think negative interest rates.

Like in Japan and now Europe....

you get a loan for a house, move in, the bank pays you monthly.

so how will wall street work with negative interest rates ?

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#591984

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 1:54:18 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/29/2016 1:13 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 8:29:04 AM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> >> Artical in todays WSJ on page 2, says  space radiation causes heart
> >> disease,
> >>
> >> former astronoughts were studied
> >>
> >> And they were in space a average of only 15 days
> >>
> >> weightlessness and radiation made blood vessels stiff
> >>
> >>
> >> forget Moon, Mars etc.
> >
> >
> > What does the WSJ know about science anyway?  Maybe a tip on a mutual fund!
> >
> > Double-A
> >
> 
> Ha! mutual funds, think negative interest rates.
> 
> Like in Japan and now Europe....
> 
> you get a loan for a house, move in, the bank pays you monthly.
> 
> so how will wall street work with negative interest rates ?


With interest rates so low, corporations can borrow money practically free and have been using it to buy back their own stock!  This keeps driving stock prices up!  So being in the stock market is a good place to be right now.  You can't get any interest on your money in the bank anyway.

Double-A

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#592565

On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 12:14:28 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 1:54:18 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> > On 7/29/2016 1:13 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 8:29:04 AM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> > >> Artical in todays WSJ on page 2, says  space radiation causes heart
> > >> disease,
> > >>
> > >> former astronoughts were studied
> > >>
> > >> And they were in space a average of only 15 days
> > >>
> > >> weightlessness and radiation made blood vessels stiff
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> forget Moon, Mars etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > What does the WSJ know about science anyway?  Maybe a tip on a mutual fund!
> > >
> > > Double-A
> > >
> > 
> > Ha! mutual funds, think negative interest rates.
> > 
> > Like in Japan and now Europe....
> > 
> > you get a loan for a house, move in, the bank pays you monthly.
> > 
> > so how will wall street work with negative interest rates ?
> 
> 
> With interest rates so low, corporations can borrow money practically free and have been using it to buy back their own stock!  This keeps driving stock prices up!  So being in the stock market is a good place to be right now.  You can't get any interest on your money in the bank anyway.
> 
> Double-A

Property(housing) Land best Here in Fullerton in one big block 323 living units are going up fast.Cheap construction.Its a must as Mexican families are flooding in.Chances are each unite will stuff in 5 families That is a given,for its going on all over. I posted families live in cars that are lucky,and these cars have no insurence. Calif. is now Mexifornia. Anaheim is still worse. Trebert

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#592573

On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 1:57:07 PM UTC-7, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
> On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 12:14:28 PM UTC-7, Double-A wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 1:54:18 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> > > On 7/29/2016 1:13 PM, Double-A wrote:
> > > > On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 8:29:04 AM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> > > >> Artical in todays WSJ on page 2, says  space radiation causes heart
> > > >> disease,
> > > >>
> > > >> former astronoughts were studied
> > > >>
> > > >> And they were in space a average of only 15 days
> > > >>
> > > >> weightlessness and radiation made blood vessels stiff
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> forget Moon, Mars etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What does the WSJ know about science anyway?  Maybe a tip on a mutual fund!
> > > >
> > > > Double-A
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Ha! mutual funds, think negative interest rates.
> > > 
> > > Like in Japan and now Europe....
> > > 
> > > you get a loan for a house, move in, the bank pays you monthly.
> > > 
> > > so how will wall street work with negative interest rates ?
> > 
> > 
> > With interest rates so low, corporations can borrow money practically free and have been using it to buy back their own stock!  This keeps driving stock prices up!  So being in the stock market is a good place to be right now.  You can't get any interest on your money in the bank anyway.
> > 
> > Double-A
> 
> Property(housing) Land best Here in Fullerton in one big block 323 living units are going up fast.Cheap construction.Its a must as Mexican families are flooding in.Chances are each unite will stuff in 5 families That is a given,for its going on all over. I posted families live in cars that are lucky,and these cars have no insurence. Calif. is now Mexifornia. Anaheim is still worse. Trebert


My friend Janet said she thinks real estate is the best place to put money.  She should know.  She owns a lot of apartment houses.  Even some in Las Vegas.  I asked why she hasn't branched into casinos, but she gave no answer.  She doesn't gamble.  Apparanly, every place she put her money was a sure thing.

Double-A

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#591173

Sergio wrote:
> 
> Artical in todays WSJ on page 2, says  space radiation causes heart
> disease,
> 
> former astronoughts were studied
> 
> And they were in space a average of only 15 days
> 
> weightlessness and radiation made blood vessels stiff
> 
> forget Moon, Mars etc.


so you haven't figured out how to post a page 2 link?

https://www.google.com/#q=Study+Explores+the+Health+Risks+of+Deep-Space+Travel


i thought the rocket blowing up before it even lifts off was a health risk...

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#591187

On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 10:29:04 AM UTC-5, Sergio wrote:
> Artical in todays WSJ on page 2, says  space radiation causes heart 
> disease,
> 
> former astronoughts were studied
> 
> And they were in space a average of only 15 days
> 
> weightlessness and radiation made blood vessels stiff
> 
> 
> forget Moon, Mars etc.

Our next step's back to the moon.   If we can survive in a colony on the Moon, they we'll see.

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#591198

yeah, HabittraiL

> Our next step's back to the moon.   If we can survive in a colony on the Moon, they we'll see.

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#591268

On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:54:34 -0700, brandonahenley9 wrote:

> 
>> Our next step's back to the moon.
>

Agreed.

The moon, and especially the far (dark) side, is an ideal location
for astronomical observation.  Scientific outposts, mostly automated,
should be established there.  Radio astronomy would benefit greatly
from the total absence of man-made terrestrial noise.

Also, if fusion power is ever to become dominant, we will need to mine
the moon for its helium.

These highly worthwhile endeavors will require the development
of unique manufacturing and transportation.  Also, we need to 
address the political issues, treaties, etc. that any extensive
lunar operations would involve.

But instead of preparing for these reasonable eventualities we are
wasting valuable time and resources in speculations on a misplaced
and futile mission to Mars.

What fools we human be.

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#591327

On 7/30/2016 10:07 AM, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:54:34 -0700, brandonahenley9 wrote:
>
>>
>>> Our next step's back to the moon.
>>
>
> Agreed.
>
> The moon, and especially the far (dark) side, is an ideal location
> for astronomical observation.  Scientific outposts, mostly automated,
> should be established there.  Radio astronomy would benefit greatly
> from the total absence of man-made terrestrial noise.
>
> Also, if fusion power is ever to become dominant, we will need to mine
> the moon for its helium.
>
> These highly worthwhile endeavors will require the development
> of unique manufacturing and transportation.  Also, we need to
> address the political issues, treaties, etc. that any extensive
> lunar operations would involve.
>
> But instead of preparing for these reasonable eventualities we are
> wasting valuable time and resources in speculations on a misplaced
> and futile mission to Mars.
>
> What fools we human be.
>

NASA has determined that astronuts will get heart disese and heart 
failure within a few years in space.

Moon is out.

Mars is out.

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#591330

On 7/30/2016 6:24 PM, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/30/2016 10:07 AM, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:54:34 -0700, brandonahenley9 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Our next step's back to the moon.
>>>
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> The moon, and especially the far (dark) side, is an ideal location
>> for astronomical observation.  Scientific outposts, mostly automated,
>> should be established there.  Radio astronomy would benefit greatly
>> from the total absence of man-made terrestrial noise.
>>
>> Also, if fusion power is ever to become dominant, we will need to mine
>> the moon for its helium.
>>
>> These highly worthwhile endeavors will require the development
>> of unique manufacturing and transportation.  Also, we need to
>> address the political issues, treaties, etc. that any extensive
>> lunar operations would involve.
>>
>> But instead of preparing for these reasonable eventualities we are
>> wasting valuable time and resources in speculations on a misplaced
>> and futile mission to Mars.
>>
>> What fools we human be.
>>
>
> NASA has determined that astronuts will get heart disese and heart
> failure within a few years in space.
>
> Moon is out.
>
> Mars is out.

Need those "gravity rugs" for the international stations!

OH Ya! On the money!

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#591368

Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Please post using your real name.

> On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:54:34 -0700, brandonahenley9 wrote:
>>> Our next step's back to the moon.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> The moon, and especially the far (dark) side,

The *only* proper term is “_far_ side of the Moon” as the far side is not 
always dark (in shadow).  In particular, there is “noon” on the far side 
whenever there is new moon for the observer.

> is an ideal location for astronomical observation.

It depends.  On the far side there is also a greater risk for meteoroid 
impacts destroying such equipment.

> Scientific outposts, mostly automated, should be established there.  Radio
> astronomy would benefit greatly from the total absence of man-made
> terrestrial noise.

Would radio noise really be absent?  Consider the Deep Space Network already 
established.

> Also, if fusion power is ever to become dominant, we will need to mine
> the moon for its helium.

“The Moon's surface contains helium-3 at concentrations on the order of 10 
ppb [parts per billion]” (Wikipedia [1]).  That is, in 10 kg of lunar 
regolith there are 100 ng (nanograms) of helium-3.

[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium#Isotopes>

> These highly worthwhile endeavors […]

How much lunar regolith does one have to mine before it becomes worthwhile 
to be mined for fusion power?

> But instead of preparing for these reasonable eventualities we are
> wasting valuable time and resources in speculations on a misplaced
> and futile mission to Mars.

The Mars mission is not misplaced and futile.  Like the Moon landing, it is
going to spur innovation in various fields; in fact, it does that already as 
we observe the ISS being the testbed of it.  Just think of the scope of that 
project, and the organizational, technical, and scientific knowledge that 
have to be gained, and skills that have to be attained, in order to 
accomplish it.

> What fools we human be.

It takes one to know one.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#591370

On 7/31/2016 5:05 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

>
> The Mars mission is not misplaced and futile.

for humans, yes - it is misplaced and futile.

radiation will kill them in short order, they will go blind first, and 
be dead with in 3 or 4 years, unless they live underground for 98% of 
the time. (then how do they get the water, food, and air for 4 years up 
there?)

     this is in NASA's own studies back in the early 1990's


> Like the Moon landing, it is
> going to spur innovation in various fields; in fact, it does that already as
> we observe the ISS being the testbed of it.

this area is already well known.


> Just think of the scope of that
> project, and the organizational,

that dooms it, Obama already cut NASA budget.

> technical,

    we can't send humans their, got it yet ?


> and scientific knowledge

scientific => a beach, but no water, no air either.  we already have a 
probe there.

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#591372

On 7/31/2016 8:59 AM, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/31/2016 5:05 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>
>>
>> The Mars mission is not misplaced and futile.
>
> for humans, yes - it is misplaced and futile.
>
> radiation will kill them in short order, they will go blind first, and
> be dead with in 3 or 4 years, unless they live underground for 98% of
> the time. (then how do they get the water, food, and air for 4 years up
> there?)
>
>     this is in NASA's own studies back in the early 1990's
>

can you imagine living underground in a 20 foot long tube 10 foot wide 
for 4 years ?  Dont mind subsisting on peanut oil for years ? (UA's 
favorate high density mars food)



If so, your our man for mars! voulenteer now!


the major problem is washing clothes, to recover the water used, and 
seperate out "dirt" and how to get the "dirt" the surface. NASA has no 
solution, they send up clean clothes to ISS with every support trip.

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#591382

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 09:07:57 -0500, Sergio wrote:

> 
> can you imagine living underground in a 20 foot long tube 10 foot wide 
> for 4 years ?
>

That dumb fuck would step off the Martian lander and immediately
start looking for the McDonalds or Burger King.

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#591425

On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:10:03 AM UTC-7, Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 09:07:57 -0500, Sergio wrote:
> 
> > 
> > can you imagine living underground in a 20 foot long tube 10 foot wide 
> > for 4 years ?
> >
> 
> That dumb fuck would step off the Martian lander and immediately
> start looking for the McDonalds or Burger King.

Reality is he would find Chinese Take Out.Trebert

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#591381

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:05:18 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> 
> The *only* proper term is “_far_ side of the Moon” 
>

Only for a retarded idiot like you.

Historically and originally, the "far" side was called the
"dark" side because of its completely unknown aspect.
The term "dark" referred only to ignorance and lack of
knowledge and *never* connoted a shadowy condition from
lack of light.

Ever hear of the "Dark Ages?"  The medieval period was
not dark because the sun had vanished, but only because
historical records were virtually nonexistent.
 

> 
> Would radio noise really be absent?  Consider the Deep Space Network already 
> established.
> 

Consider a fart in a hurricane.  Would the stink really be absent?


> 
> “The Moon's surface contains helium-3 at concentrations on the order of 10 
> ppb [parts per billion]”
>

That would only be an impediment to someone, like you, without
any imagination or inventiveness.

Fortunately, the world contains people of higher intelligence
and creativity.

> 
> The Mars mission is not misplaced and futile.  Like the Moon landing, it is
> going to spur innovation in various fields; in fact, it does that already as 
> we observe the ISS being the testbed of it.  Just think of the scope of that 
> project, and the organizational, technical, and scientific knowledge that 
> have to be gained, and skills that have to be attained, in order to 
> accomplish it.
> 

A completely empty paragraph.

To travel to Mars, nothing new would have to be attained.  Current
knowledge and technology would just have to refined and reapplied, and
that is a straightforward, if expensive, matter.

Regarding the ISS, that project is as useless and misguided as
any trip to Mars.

Any Mars venture would be much better implemented with advanced robotic
vehicles. An actual manned mission is pure folly.

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