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Time AND Space is an Illusion

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  Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 14:52 -0700
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-19 16:57 -0500
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 15:38 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-19 17:44 -0500
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 19:20 -0700
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 14:39 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 23:56 -0700
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-22 12:09 -0700
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 15:58 -0700
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-20 19:31 +1000
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 11:48 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 12:27 +1000
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:10 -0400
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:26 -0700
              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:44 -0400
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 23:11 -0700
                  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 23:47 -0700
                    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-22 11:57 -0700
                      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 22:55 -0700
                        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 23:29 -0700
                          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 11:58 -0700
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 15:17 +1000
              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 22:56 -0700
              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 02:00 -0400
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 20:52 +1000
                  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 11:23 -0400
                    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-23 13:25 +1000
                      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 01:14 -0400
                        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-23 15:32 +1000
                          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 02:19 -0400
                            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 03:43 -0700
                              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 04:11 -0700
                                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 04:25 -0700
              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 15:52 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 22:35 -0700
                  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 23:36 -0700
                    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 11:53 -0700
                      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 14:49 -0700
                        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-27 00:07 -0700
                          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 00:54 -0700
                          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-28 11:08 -0700
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:28 -0700
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:45 -0400
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 23:18 -0700
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 11:46 -0700
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion platopes <mitchperkins7@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 19:58 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:31 -0700
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:47 -0400
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2016-04-20 14:00 -0700
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 22:11 -0700
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 00:27 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 02:13 -0700

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#571686 — Time AND Space is an Illusion

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-19 14:52 -0700
SubjectTime AND Space is an Illusion
Message-ID<5716A893.7508@ix.netcom.com>
Time AND Space is an Illusion.

and that's that!

any questions?

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#571688

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-04-19 16:57 -0500
Message-ID<nf69lt$8ci$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#571686
On 4/19/2016 4:52 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
>
> and that's that!
>
> any questions?
>

ok, but what about things ?   are things an illusion ?

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#571699

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-19 15:38 -0700
Message-ID<5716B358.748D@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571688
Sergio wrote:
> 
> On 4/19/2016 4:52 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> >
> > and that's that!
> >
> > any questions?
> >
> 
> ok, but what about things ?   are things an illusion ?

well of course! Name any ...thing.

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#571701

FromSergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2016-04-19 17:44 -0500
Message-ID<nf6cf4$cmh$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#571699
On 4/19/2016 5:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Sergio wrote:
>>
>> On 4/19/2016 4:52 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
>>>
>>> and that's that!
>>>
>>> any questions?
>>>
>>
>> ok, but what about things ?   are things an illusion ?
>
> well of course! Name any ...thing.
>

Donald Trump, or Hillary Clinton


very illusive

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#571715

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-19 19:20 -0700
Message-ID<5716E774.3431@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571686
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> 
> and that's that!
> 
> any questions?

Okay..lets put Time aside for the moment..


Hows space an illusion??

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#571926

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-20 14:39 -0700
Message-ID<5717F70A.46C9@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571715
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> >
> > and that's that!
> >
> > any questions?
> 
> Okay..lets put Time aside for the moment..
> 
> Hows space an illusion??


First you need to understand
what space is made of.


The space a fish
swims around in is
no different from
the space earthlings
travel in...

they are both
made of something.

Space is made of
very little particles.


very little.


Do you know how "vey little" I'm talking about??

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#572316

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-21 23:56 -0700
Message-ID<5719CB38.395C@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571926
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> > >
> > > and that's that!
> > >
> > > any questions?
> >
> > Okay..lets put Time aside for the moment..
> >
> > Hows space an illusion??
> 
> First you need to understand
> what space is made of.
> 
> The space a fish
> swims around in is
> no different from
> the space earthlings
> travel in...
> 
> they are both
> made of something.
> 
> Space is made of
> very little particles.
> 
> very little.
> 
> Do you know how "vey little" I'm talking about??

Let me put it a differently..

Remove time from the equation 
(it's an illusion anyway)

Also remove Space from the equation..

(another illusion)

What are you left with? All the stars and planets..
and everything holding it together...which is what
you people call today..Gravity.

What does Gravity have to do with anything else????


How about...Electricity? Whats the connection?? There is none.

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#572490

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-22 12:09 -0700
Message-ID<571A76DC.56CB@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#572316
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> > > >
> > > > and that's that!
> > > >
> > > > any questions?
> > >
> > > Okay..lets put Time aside for the moment..
> > >
> > > Hows space an illusion??
> >
> > First you need to understand
> > what space is made of.
> >
> > The space a fish
> > swims around in is
> > no different from
> > the space earthlings
> > travel in...
> >
> > they are both
> > made of something.
> >
> > Space is made of
> > very little particles.
> >
> > very little.
> >
> > Do you know how "vey little" I'm talking about??
> 
> Let me put it a differently..
> 
> Remove time from the equation
> (it's an illusion anyway)
> 
> Also remove Space from the equation..
> 
> (another illusion)
> 
> What are you left with? All the stars and planets..
> and everything holding it together...which is what
> you people call today..Gravity.
> 
> What does Gravity have to do with anything else????
> 
> How about...Electricity? Whats the connection?? There is none.



In other words...


yous science girls
have this space and time confused with Gravity.


Space and Time is just an illusion projected by Gravity.


What is Dark Matter? It's Gravity stupid!

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#572963

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-24 15:58 -0700
Message-ID<571D4FB2.4F91@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#572490
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> > > > >
> > > > > and that's that!
> > > > >
> > > > > any questions?
> > > >
> > > > Okay..lets put Time aside for the moment..
> > > >
> > > > Hows space an illusion??
> > >
> > > First you need to understand
> > > what space is made of.
> > >
> > > The space a fish
> > > swims around in is
> > > no different from
> > > the space earthlings
> > > travel in...
> > >
> > > they are both
> > > made of something.
> > >
> > > Space is made of
> > > very little particles.
> > >
> > > very little.
> > >
> > > Do you know how "vey little" I'm talking about??
> >
> > Let me put it a differently..
> >
> > Remove time from the equation
> > (it's an illusion anyway)
> >
> > Also remove Space from the equation..
> >
> > (another illusion)
> >
> > What are you left with? All the stars and planets..
> > and everything holding it together...which is what
> > you people call today..Gravity.
> >
> > What does Gravity have to do with anything else????
> >
> > How about...Electricity? Whats the connection?? There is none.
> 
> In other words...
> 
> yous science girls
> have this space and time confused with Gravity.
> 
> Space and Time is just an illusion projected by Gravity.
> 
> What is Dark Matter? It's Gravity stupid!


let me put it this way..

if you believe Time flows
then Space also flows.

That which you call
gravitional waves
is actually
time and space flowing...

but since 
time and space
doesn't exist..
then it's
gravity flowing...

and the earth
is flowing
on the surface waves
of gravity.


you probabby have eight or nine
balls floating on the ocean.

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#571781

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2016-04-20 19:31 +1000
Message-ID<dnp0k7FahljU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#571686
On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
>
> and that's that!
>
> any questions?
>

What are you on?

Sylvia.

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#571905

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-20 11:48 -0700
Message-ID<5717CEE5.D7F@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#571781
Sylvia Else wrote:
> 
> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> >
> > and that's that!
> >
> > any questions?
> >
> 
> What are you on?
> 
> Sylvia.


Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?

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#571982

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2016-04-21 12:27 +1000
Message-ID<dnqs4oFovhmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#571905
On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>
>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
>>>
>>> and that's that!
>>>
>>> any questions?
>>>
>>
>> What are you on?
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
>
> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
>

An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an 
appearance that differs significantly from its reality.

So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.

Sylvia.

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#572003

Frombenj <nobodyxx@gmail>
Date2016-04-21 00:10 -0400
Message-ID<571852a8$0$31281$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#571982
On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>
>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
>>>>
>>>> and that's that!
>>>>
>>>> any questions?
>>>>
>>>
>>> What are you on?
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>>
>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
>>
>
> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
>
> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
>
> Sylvia.

It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but 
nevertheless the question is a valid one.

Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that 
mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress 
and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the 
future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing 
is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually 
fixed and immutable.

How can this be? Well as you say it's all about "perception". Like the 
people in Plato's cave let us suppose that your perception of events 
(reality) is entirely due to your consciousness. You consciousness is 
observing shadows on the cave wall that you take to be reality. Only 
that doesn't fit well with our experience of "reality". So let's 
"improve" Plato's idea and instead of sitting and observing life go by 
on the cave wall, say all of the universe INCLUDING all possible 
effects, events and things that COULD happen are cast into a huge...well 
we knew Hollywood physics would enter in, right?...Matrix!

When you experience "time" in truth your consciousness is experiencing a 
VELOCITY over the matrix. Your "past" is the path your consciousness 
took, through the matrix up to now. The present is the location where 
your consciousness is presently located and the future is innumerable 
paths your consciousness COULD take from the present point. Note that 
since the start of the future path must be the present point, MANY paths 
are available but most are not. Jumps we presume are not allowed.

Thus, one can say, there is NO time, it is all ONE time and there is no 
space, it is all ONE space! And it becomes obvious that the past is 
fixed (it is the path you took!) And the future is not (many paths 
available). However if we apply Newton's laws we see that any path from 
the past will tend to move forward on a given trajectory unless acted 
upon by a FORCE. And that force would be Mind or what is termed "will". 
Hence ability to get outside of causality (coasting) is termed free will.

It's all so simple, Sylivia, I wonder why nobody "gets" it?


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#572007

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-20 21:26 -0700
Message-ID<5718568F.AC3@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#572003
benj wrote:
> 
> On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> >>>>
> >>>> and that's that!
> >>>>
> >>>> any questions?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> What are you on?
> >>>
> >>> Sylvia.
> >>
> >>
> >> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
> >>
> >
> > An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
> > appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
> >
> > So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
> >
> > Sylvia.
> 
> It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
> nevertheless the question is a valid one.
> 
> Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
> mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
> and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
> future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
> is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
> fixed and immutable.
> 
> How can this be? Well as you say it's all about "perception". Like the
> people in Plato's cave let us suppose that your perception of events
> (reality) is entirely due to your consciousness. You consciousness is
> observing shadows on the cave wall that you take to be reality. Only
> that doesn't fit well with our experience of "reality". So let's
> "improve" Plato's idea and instead of sitting and observing life go by
> on the cave wall, say all of the universe INCLUDING all possible
> effects, events and things that COULD happen are cast into a huge...well
> we knew Hollywood physics would enter in, right?...Matrix!
> 
> When you experience "time" in truth your consciousness is experiencing a
> VELOCITY over the matrix. Your "past" is the path your consciousness
> took, through the matrix up to now. The present is the location where
> your consciousness is presently located and the future is innumerable
> paths your consciousness COULD take from the present point. Note that
> since the start of the future path must be the present point, MANY paths
> are available but most are not. Jumps we presume are not allowed.
> 
> Thus, one can say, there is NO time, it is all ONE time and there is no
> space, it is all ONE space! And it becomes obvious that the past is
> fixed (it is the path you took!) And the future is not (many paths
> available). However if we apply Newton's laws we see that any path from
> the past will tend to move forward on a given trajectory unless acted
> upon by a FORCE. And that force would be Mind or what is termed "will".
> Hence ability to get outside of causality (coasting) is termed free will.
> 
> It's all so simple, Sylivia, I wonder why nobody "gets" it?



the past is not fixed. if someone tells you your mother is not really
your real mother, your past changes. your real
mother no loger exist in your past...anyone can change your
past...events are always changing.

What doesn't change is that you seem to be Wrong consistently.

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#572014

Frombenj <nobodyxx@gmail>
Date2016-04-21 00:44 -0400
Message-ID<57185ac1$0$46736$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#572007
On 04/21/2016 12:26 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> benj wrote:
>>
>> On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and that's that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any questions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What are you on?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
>>>>
>>>
>>> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
>>> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
>>>
>>> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
>> nevertheless the question is a valid one.
>>
>> Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
>> mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
>> and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
>> future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
>> is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
>> fixed and immutable.
>>
>> How can this be? Well as you say it's all about "perception". Like the
>> people in Plato's cave let us suppose that your perception of events
>> (reality) is entirely due to your consciousness. You consciousness is
>> observing shadows on the cave wall that you take to be reality. Only
>> that doesn't fit well with our experience of "reality". So let's
>> "improve" Plato's idea and instead of sitting and observing life go by
>> on the cave wall, say all of the universe INCLUDING all possible
>> effects, events and things that COULD happen are cast into a huge...well
>> we knew Hollywood physics would enter in, right?...Matrix!
>>
>> When you experience "time" in truth your consciousness is experiencing a
>> VELOCITY over the matrix. Your "past" is the path your consciousness
>> took, through the matrix up to now. The present is the location where
>> your consciousness is presently located and the future is innumerable
>> paths your consciousness COULD take from the present point. Note that
>> since the start of the future path must be the present point, MANY paths
>> are available but most are not. Jumps we presume are not allowed.
>>
>> Thus, one can say, there is NO time, it is all ONE time and there is no
>> space, it is all ONE space! And it becomes obvious that the past is
>> fixed (it is the path you took!) And the future is not (many paths
>> available). However if we apply Newton's laws we see that any path from
>> the past will tend to move forward on a given trajectory unless acted
>> upon by a FORCE. And that force would be Mind or what is termed "will".
>> Hence ability to get outside of causality (coasting) is termed free will.
>>
>> It's all so simple, Sylivia, I wonder why nobody "gets" it?
>
>
>
> the past is not fixed. if someone tells you your mother is not really
> your real mother, your past changes. your real
> mother no loger exist in your past...anyone can change your
> past...events are always changing.
>
> What doesn't change is that you seem to be Wrong consistently.
>
Starfaker, you are a lib idiot like HVAC. Reality is not your fantasies. 
HVAC has been invited to jump off a building to "prove" this theory that 
gravity is not a force. And you are invited to perform similar 
experiments to prove that reality is only what you imagine it to be. You 
have been an idiot in the past and that can never be changed even if you 
actually were to grow a brain at some point.

Why don't you go play trolling the atheists or something while we adults 
are talking?

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#572033

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-20 23:11 -0700
Message-ID<57186F26.349@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#572014
benj wrote:
> 
> On 04/21/2016 12:26 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > benj wrote:
> >>
> >> On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> and that's that!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> any questions?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What are you on?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
> >>> appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
> >>>
> >>> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
> >>>
> >>> Sylvia.
> >>
> >> It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
> >> nevertheless the question is a valid one.
> >>
> >> Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
> >> mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
> >> and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
> >> future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
> >> is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
> >> fixed and immutable.
> >>
> >> How can this be? Well as you say it's all about "perception". Like the
> >> people in Plato's cave let us suppose that your perception of events
> >> (reality) is entirely due to your consciousness. You consciousness is
> >> observing shadows on the cave wall that you take to be reality. Only
> >> that doesn't fit well with our experience of "reality". So let's
> >> "improve" Plato's idea and instead of sitting and observing life go by
> >> on the cave wall, say all of the universe INCLUDING all possible
> >> effects, events and things that COULD happen are cast into a huge...well
> >> we knew Hollywood physics would enter in, right?...Matrix!
> >>
> >> When you experience "time" in truth your consciousness is experiencing a
> >> VELOCITY over the matrix. Your "past" is the path your consciousness
> >> took, through the matrix up to now. The present is the location where
> >> your consciousness is presently located and the future is innumerable
> >> paths your consciousness COULD take from the present point. Note that
> >> since the start of the future path must be the present point, MANY paths
> >> are available but most are not. Jumps we presume are not allowed.
> >>
> >> Thus, one can say, there is NO time, it is all ONE time and there is no
> >> space, it is all ONE space! And it becomes obvious that the past is
> >> fixed (it is the path you took!) And the future is not (many paths
> >> available). However if we apply Newton's laws we see that any path from
> >> the past will tend to move forward on a given trajectory unless acted
> >> upon by a FORCE. And that force would be Mind or what is termed "will".
> >> Hence ability to get outside of causality (coasting) is termed free will.
> >>
> >> It's all so simple, Sylivia, I wonder why nobody "gets" it?
> >
> >
> >
> > the past is not fixed. if someone tells you your mother is not really
> > your real mother, your past changes. your real
> > mother no loger exist in your past...anyone can change your
> > past...events are always changing.
> >
> > What doesn't change is that you seem to be Wrong consistently.
> >
> Starfaker, you are a lib idiot like HVAC. Reality is not your fantasies.
> HVAC has been invited to jump off a building to "prove" this theory that
> gravity is not a force. And you are invited to perform similar
> experiments to prove that reality is only what you imagine it to be. You
> have been an idiot in the past and that can never be changed even if you
> actually were to grow a brain at some point.
> 
> Why don't you go play trolling the atheists or something while we adults
> are talking?


Gravity is not a force. It is too weak to be a force. What Gravity is..
it's minus time, minus space. Gravity is the fabric of space...

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#572315

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-21 23:47 -0700
Message-ID<5719C91E.6D80@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#572033
Gary Harnagel wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 12:11:21 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Gravity is not a force. It is too weak to be a force. What Gravity is..
> > it's minus time, minus space. Gravity is the fabric of space...
> 
> Baloney.  Gravity is caused by gravitons, just like em is caused by photons.


I'm back to giving English lessons again...



grav·i·ton
'grav??tän/
nounPhysics
plural noun: gravitons

    a *hypothetical* quantum of gravitational energy, regarded as a particle.
https://www.google.com/#q=define+gravitons


hypothetical:

 not real : imagined as an example
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothetical



I understand really...you science guys Love science class soo much you say "Fuck the rest of skool classes!"


You guys say to yourselves..."I'M A FUCKIN GENIUS, I DON'T NEED TO LEARN STUPID ENGLISH!!!!"


Yous forgot to learn how to read...


(science words are the easiest words to spell in the English language, have you noticed?)


(there's a reason why that is...yous science guys canot fucking spel!)

(yous cannot read english, yous cannot spell english, yous cannot even talk english correctly!)

(and i'm talking about yous born in the united states!!!)

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#572487

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-22 11:57 -0700
Message-ID<571A741E.5893@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#572315
Gary Harnagel wrote:
> 
> On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 12:46:39 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Gary Harnagel wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 12:11:21 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gravity is not a force. It is too weak to be a force. What Gravity is..
> > > > it's minus time, minus space. Gravity is the fabric of space...
> > >
> > > Baloney.  Gravity is caused by gravitons, just like em is caused by photons.
> >
> >
> > I'm back to giving English lessons again...
> >
> >
> >
> > grav·i·ton
> > 'grav??tän/
> > nounPhysics
> > plural noun: gravitons
> >
> >     a *hypothetical* quantum of gravitational energy, regarded as a particle.
> > https://www.google.com/#q=define+gravitons
> >
> >
> > hypothetical:
> >
> >  not real : imagined as an example
> > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypothetical
> 
> I guess I'm going to have to give you some science lessons:
> 
> https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/hypothetical
> 
> "Everyone who has ever taken a science class knows the word "hypothesis,"
> which means an idea, or a guess, that you are going to test through an
> experiment. A hypothetical is related to that. It means something based on
> an informed guess."
> 
> And since you are uninformed, your opinions are worthless.


The definitions of "graviton" and "hypothetical" are not my opinions,
they are in fact defintions by
merriam-webster and google defintions database.

And I did not post the word "hypothesis,", or gave it's definition, that
was you, a switcheroo...you cannot be trusted.

your opinions are worthless now, and forever!

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#573031

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-24 22:55 -0700
Message-ID<571DB15A.10B6@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#572487
Gary Harnagel wrote:
> 
> On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 12:56:53 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Gary Harnagel wrote:
> > >
> > > I guess I'm going to have to give you some science lessons:
> > >
> > > https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/hypothetical
> > >
> > > "Everyone who has ever taken a science class knows the word "hypothesis,"
> > > which means an idea, or a guess, that you are going to test through an
> > > experiment. A hypothetical is related to that. It means something based on
> > > an informed guess."
> > >
> > > And since you are uninformed, your opinions are worthless.
> >
> >
> > The definitions of "graviton" and "hypothetical" are not my opinions,
> > they are in fact defintions by
> > merriam-webster and google defintions database.
> 
> Just goes to show that you're using the wrong definitions.
> 
> > And I did not post the word "hypothesis,", or gave it's definition, that
> > was you, a switcheroo...you cannot be trusted.
> 
> Really?  You believe that "hypothesis" and hypothetical" have two different
> etymological roots?

"etymological roots"???? that's all Greek to me...cause it ain't English


No exact match found for “"etymological roots"” in US English 
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/spellcheck/american_english/?q=%22etymological+roots%22

https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?search=+etymological+roots+&title=Special:Search&go=Go&searchToken=d5p55oe7t38m625ocedbb7as0


Saying "etymological roots" in the same sentence is... Redundant.

http://grammarist.com/redundancies/


I don't allow redundancies in my threads..

it's Redundant.


"saying the same thing twice"


Learn English...or at least the use of the English language.

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#573344

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-04-25 23:29 -0700
Message-ID<571F0AAE.679F@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#573031
Gary Harnagel wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 11:54:44 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Gary Harnagel wrote:
> > >
> > > On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 12:56:53 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gary Harnagel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess I'm going to have to give you some science lessons:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/hypothetical
> > > > >
> > > > > "Everyone who has ever taken a science class knows the word
> > > > > "hypothesis," which means an idea, or a guess, that you are going
> > > > > to test through an experiment. A hypothetical is related to that.
> > > > > It means something based on an informed guess."
> > > > >
> > > > > And since you are uninformed, your opinions are worthless.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The definitions of "graviton" and "hypothetical" are not my opinions,
> > > > they are in fact defintions by merriam-webster and google defintions
> > > > database.
> > >
> > > Just goes to show that you're using the wrong definitions.
> > >
> > > > And I did not post the word "hypothesis,", or gave it's definition, that
> > > > was you, a switcheroo...you cannot be trusted.
> > >
> > > Really?  You believe that "hypothesis" and hypothetical" have two different
> > > etymological roots?
> >
> > "etymological roots"???? that's all Greek to me...cause it ain't English
> >
> > No exact match found for ""etymological roots"" in US English
> > http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/spellcheck/american_english/?q=%22etymological+roots%22
> >
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?search=+etymological+roots+&title=Special:Search&go=Go&searchToken=d5p55oe7t38m625ocedbb7as0
> >
> >
> > Saying "etymological roots" in the same sentence is... Redundant.
> >
> > http://grammarist.com/redundancies/
> >
> >
> > I don't allow redundancies in my threads..
> >
> > it's Redundant.
> >
> >
> > "saying the same thing twice"
> >
> >
> > Learn English...or at least the use of the English language.
> 
> Wow!  You didn't even look up the ROOT word of "etymological"?  You apparently
> were able to find it anyway because you said "etymological root" was
> redundant.  I could have just wrote "etymology" but sometimes redundancy is
> a good thing, like four atomic clocks in each GPS space vehicle.



Since when is "redundancy" useful????



re·dun·dan·cy
r?'d?nd?nse/
noun
noun: redundancy

    the state of being not or no longer needed or useful.
https://www.google.com/#q=redundancy+meaning





Since when is something that is no longer needed or useful...useful???


It's Redundant.

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