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Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion

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Date	2016-04-20 21:26 -0700
From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion
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benj wrote:
> 
> On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion.
> >>>>
> >>>> and that's that!
> >>>>
> >>>> any questions?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> What are you on?
> >>>
> >>> Sylvia.
> >>
> >>
> >> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else?
> >>
> >
> > An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an
> > appearance that differs significantly from its reality.
> >
> > So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question.
> >
> > Sylvia.
> 
> It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but
> nevertheless the question is a valid one.
> 
> Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that
> mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress
> and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the
> future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing
> is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually
> fixed and immutable.
> 
> How can this be? Well as you say it's all about "perception". Like the
> people in Plato's cave let us suppose that your perception of events
> (reality) is entirely due to your consciousness. You consciousness is
> observing shadows on the cave wall that you take to be reality. Only
> that doesn't fit well with our experience of "reality". So let's
> "improve" Plato's idea and instead of sitting and observing life go by
> on the cave wall, say all of the universe INCLUDING all possible
> effects, events and things that COULD happen are cast into a huge...well
> we knew Hollywood physics would enter in, right?...Matrix!
> 
> When you experience "time" in truth your consciousness is experiencing a
> VELOCITY over the matrix. Your "past" is the path your consciousness
> took, through the matrix up to now. The present is the location where
> your consciousness is presently located and the future is innumerable
> paths your consciousness COULD take from the present point. Note that
> since the start of the future path must be the present point, MANY paths
> are available but most are not. Jumps we presume are not allowed.
> 
> Thus, one can say, there is NO time, it is all ONE time and there is no
> space, it is all ONE space! And it becomes obvious that the past is
> fixed (it is the path you took!) And the future is not (many paths
> available). However if we apply Newton's laws we see that any path from
> the past will tend to move forward on a given trajectory unless acted
> upon by a FORCE. And that force would be Mind or what is termed "will".
> Hence ability to get outside of causality (coasting) is termed free will.
> 
> It's all so simple, Sylivia, I wonder why nobody "gets" it?



the past is not fixed. if someone tells you your mother is not really
your real mother, your past changes. your real
mother no loger exist in your past...anyone can change your
past...events are always changing.

What doesn't change is that you seem to be Wrong consistently.

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Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 14:52 -0700
  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-19 16:57 -0500
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 15:38 -0700
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-04-19 17:44 -0500
  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-19 19:20 -0700
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 14:39 -0700
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 23:56 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-22 12:09 -0700
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 15:58 -0700
  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-20 19:31 +1000
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 11:48 -0700
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 12:27 +1000
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:10 -0400
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:26 -0700
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:44 -0400
              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 23:11 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 23:47 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-22 11:57 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 22:55 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 23:29 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 11:58 -0700
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 15:17 +1000
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 22:56 -0700
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 02:00 -0400
              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-21 20:52 +1000
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 11:23 -0400
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-23 13:25 +1000
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 01:14 -0400
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-23 15:32 +1000
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-23 02:19 -0400
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 03:43 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 04:11 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 04:25 -0700
            Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 15:52 -0700
              Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-24 22:35 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-25 23:36 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 11:53 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-26 14:49 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-27 00:07 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 00:54 -0700
                Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-28 11:08 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:28 -0700
          Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:45 -0400
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 23:18 -0700
  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 11:46 -0700
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion platopes <mitchperkins7@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 19:58 -0700
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-20 21:31 -0700
        Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-21 00:47 -0400
  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion pcardinale@volcanomail.com - 2016-04-20 14:00 -0700
  Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 22:11 -0700
    Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-04-21 00:27 -0700
      Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 02:13 -0700

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