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| Started by | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| First post | 2015-08-11 09:58 -0500 |
| Last post | 2015-08-12 12:35 +0800 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-11 09:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-11 10:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 13:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-11 23:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 00:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-11 13:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 19:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:13 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 20:57 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 12:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 15:26 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 07:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 12:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-12 17:49 -0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-12 18:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-13 00:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:25 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "W.TS." <m14m@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-12 20:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-12 19:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-12 19:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:53 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 23:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 15:56 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-13 06:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-13 14:20 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:39 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 23:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 10:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-15 05:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:46 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 11:45 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 22:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-16 22:04 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 15:15 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-17 00:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:22 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:30 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-17 10:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:24 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 06:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:35 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 12:47 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 01:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:36 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:10 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-16 14:29 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-16 15:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:53 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:30 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 10:08 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 11:40 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-19 17:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-20 14:11 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-22 14:12 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:53 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-23 10:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 16:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:53 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 14:58 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:52 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:41 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:44 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 08:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:17 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:51 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:21 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:40 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 21:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:32 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 23:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:12 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:28 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:43 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-13 15:53 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 12:08 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-14 04:50 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 12:53 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-14 06:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-14 14:16 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 07:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-15 06:41 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 16:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 03:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-15 07:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-15 12:05 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-15 18:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 00:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 01:09 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 14:06 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 12:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 03:37 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 21:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 02:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-18 14:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 18:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:30 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 10:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-19 00:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:43 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-19 09:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-21 00:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:52 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-21 13:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 00:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-22 12:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-16 04:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:04 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 06:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:16 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:55 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:59 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 05:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:30 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 19:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 17:31 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:47 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:40 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:19 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:20 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 16:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-15 15:17 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:31 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-15 12:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:36 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 03:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-16 11:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:58 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 12:58 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 12:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-15 12:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 14:34 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 19:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 10:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:47 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:34 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-13 13:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 13:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-18 11:55 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:08 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-12 20:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 15:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:29 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-11 20:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:14 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 16:00 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 07:51 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-13 20:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-13 09:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:18 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-14 03:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:25 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-15 05:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 12:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 15:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 19:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 04:19 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-12 12:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "W.TS." <m14m@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-12 20:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:20 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-12 10:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Carl Kaufmann <cwkaufmann@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 21:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@charter.net> - 2015-08-11 20:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-11 21:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 14:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-11 14:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-08-12 12:35 +0800
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 17:49 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #513250 |
On 2015-08-13 09:36 PM, William December Starr wrote: > In article <mqi4cl$v8l$3@dont-email.me>, > niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >> William December Starr wrote: >> >>> For example, anyone who doesn't have a purpose in life, for which >>> they live their life. (Unless, as I noted in another posting, >>> you're counting "continue to exist" as a purpose.) >> >> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >> worship the God of living. > > Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, > deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of > something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though. Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, then I guess we can talk about the one true God, and why it is necessary and important for everyone to know the only true God. > >>> You're the one who made the claim; the burden of proof in upon you. >> >> No, I didn't. It was you. You were the one who claimed a human can >> exist without a purpose in life. > > However, *prior to that* you claimed it couldn't. Ergo, burden of > proof on you. My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. There is nothing to prove. Since you disagree, the burden of proof is on you to show that it is not a common sense which can be agreed upon by everyone. > >> That's why I asked you to give me an example. You haven't been >> able to so far. > > Hmm. Anybody who ever committed suicide[1]? > > No wait, then you're going to say that their purpose in life was to > not exist, aren't you? No. I would rather say that people who commit suicide because they think they have failed their purpose in life which is so important to them that their entire existence is based on. It's just like they have failed their god. Therefore, they can not find any other alternative except to kill themselves. > > ----------- > *1: Excluding, I suppose, those for whom it was self-sacrifice, > e.g., a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save his > fellows. > > -- wds >
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqp7am$jmm$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #513482 |
In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > William December Starr wrote: >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >> >>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>> worship the God of living. >> >> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though. > > Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody > including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. [...] > My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious > and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. -- wds
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #514139 |
On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote: > In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, > niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >> William December Starr wrote: >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> >>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>>> worship the God of living. >>> >>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >>> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though. >> >> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, > > We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so > non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level. God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call yourself an atheist. When you don't live your life for the God within you, you always suffer in life. There is no exception for everybody. It's universal. > > [...] > >> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious >> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. > > "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it > must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps you need to look within yourself and your life in order to understand what I'm talking about. > > -- wds >
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqq89o$387$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #514208 |
In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal >>> level, >> >> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. > > That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal > level. God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is > the center of your life. You actually live your life for God even > when you call yourself an atheist. When you don't live your life > for the God within you, you always suffer in life. There is no > exception for everybody. It's universal. [...] >>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious >>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. >> >> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it >> must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. > > I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps > you need to look within yourself and your life in order to > understand what I'm talking about. This is where I stop talking to you. You've played the smarmy "If you weren't so shallow and small-minded then you'd agree with me" card one time too many. -- wds
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqrimj$v7u$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #514301 |
On 2015-08-16 10:55 PM, William December Starr wrote: > In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, > niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal >>>> level, >>> >>> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. >> >> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal >> level. God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is >> the center of your life. You actually live your life for God even >> when you call yourself an atheist. When you don't live your life >> for the God within you, you always suffer in life. There is no >> exception for everybody. It's universal. > > [...] > >>>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious >>>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. >>> >>> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it >>> must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. >> >> I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps >> you need to look within yourself and your life in order to >> understand what I'm talking about. > > This is where I stop talking to you. You've played the smarmy "If > you weren't so shallow and small-minded then you'd agree with me" > card one time too many. > > -- wds > Now you misunderstood me. That was an honest suggestion.
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| From | John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <YOkZmLA4JL0VFwc1@hotmail.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #514208 |
In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> writes >On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote: >> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >> >>> William December Starr wrote: >>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>> >>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>>>> worship the God of living. >>>> >>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >>>> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though. >>> >>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, >> >> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. > >That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level. >God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of >your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call >yourself an atheist. So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God. > When you don't live your life for the God within >you, you always suffer in life. But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody 'always suffers'. You are just talking rubbish. >There is no exception for everybody. >It's universal. > >> >> [...] >> >>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious >>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. >> >> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it >> must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. > >I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps you >need to look within yourself and your life in order to understand what >I'm talking about. > >> >> -- wds >> > -- John Ritson
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqrjaf$1pm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #514312 |
On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote: > In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> > writes >> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> >>>> William December Starr wrote: >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>>>>> worship the God of living. >>>>> >>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >>>>> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though. >>>> >>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, >>> >>> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. >> >> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level. >> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of >> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call >> yourself an atheist. > So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God. >> When you don't live your life for the God within >> you, you always suffer in life. > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody > 'always suffers'. > You are just talking rubbish. No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. The reason we do suffer in life, is because we sometimes stop living our lives for God. God is the source of our spiritual energy like happiness, peace, love, satisfaction, etc. When we don't live our lives for God, we wouldn't get any of those good things from God. When life is without happiness, peace, love, and satisfaction, life becomes suffering. >> There is no exception for everybody. >> It's universal. > > >> >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>> My claim is based on the assumption that every life is precious >>>> and has a purpose. It's rather straight forward common sense. >>> >>> "Common sense" here means "I sure looks like X to *me*, therefore it >>> must look that way to everybody." It proves nothing. >> >> I fail to see there is anything difficult to understand. Perhaps you >> need to look within yourself and your life in order to understand what >> I'm talking about. >> >>> >>> -- wds >>> >> >
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d3e30oFtna2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #514544 |
On 17/08/2015 04:11, niunian wrote: > On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote: >> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> >> writes >>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, >>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>> >>>>> William December Starr wrote: >>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>>>>>> worship the God of living. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >>>>>> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory >>>>>> though. >>>>> >>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, >>>> >>>> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. >>> >>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level. >>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of >>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call >>> yourself an atheist. >> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God. >>> When you don't live your life for the God within >>> you, you always suffer in life. > >> But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody >> 'always suffers'. >> You are just talking rubbish. > > No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. The > reason we do suffer in life, is because we sometimes stop living our > lives for God. God is the source of our spiritual energy like happiness, > peace, love, satisfaction, etc. When we don't live our lives for God, we > wouldn't get any of those good things from God. When life is without > happiness, peace, love, and satisfaction, life becomes suffering. If you want to reduce suffering, you could start by learning the proper etiquette for posting on Usenet: when there are bits of the post below the part you are responding to, it is considered polite to snip them before hitting "send". As for suffering for failure to "live our lives for god", maybe you should chat to a Hasidim sometime. They do truly make a concerted effort to obey all 600-odd divine commandments, and consequently twist their entire lives into pretzel shape in this impossible pursuit. Even they will tell you that it is flat out impossible, so even the attempt imposes suffering.
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| From | kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <d634ta5ieh1jqha8pv3fk3dtmbclmr7skm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #514623 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:39:52 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote
>On 17/08/2015 04:11, niunian wrote nonsense:
More nonsense about nothingness cross-posted
indiscriminately.
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 11:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d3gh9gFi4cdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #514684 |
On 17/08/2015 17:34, kefischer wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:39:52 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote >> On 17/08/2015 04:11, niunian wrote nonsense: > > > More nonsense about nothingness cross-posted > indiscriminately. > If you let me know the newsgroup you are posting from, I'll happily remove it.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqt4fs$ecc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #514623 |
On 2015-08-17 08:39 PM, Alex W. wrote: > On 17/08/2015 04:11, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote: >>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> >>> writes >>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>>>>>>> worship the God of living. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >>>>>>> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory >>>>>>> though. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, >>>>> >>>>> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. >>>> >>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal >>>> level. >>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of >>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call >>>> yourself an atheist. >>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God. >>>> When you don't live your life for the God within >>>> you, you always suffer in life. >> >>> But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody >>> 'always suffers'. >>> You are just talking rubbish. >> >> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. The >> reason we do suffer in life, is because we sometimes stop living our >> lives for God. God is the source of our spiritual energy like happiness, >> peace, love, satisfaction, etc. When we don't live our lives for God, we >> wouldn't get any of those good things from God. When life is without >> happiness, peace, love, and satisfaction, life becomes suffering. > > If you want to reduce suffering, you could start by learning the proper > etiquette for posting on Usenet: when there are bits of the post below > the part you are responding to, it is considered polite to snip them > before hitting "send". Sure. Not a problem for me. I will try to do that. > > As for suffering for failure to "live our lives for god", maybe you > should chat to a Hasidim sometime. They do truly make a concerted > effort to obey all 600-odd divine commandments, and consequently twist > their entire lives into pretzel shape in this impossible pursuit. Even > they will tell you that it is flat out impossible, so even the attempt > imposes suffering. As far as I know, there is no commandment from the God of living. For the God of killing? it may be another matter. However, there is the edge of the cliff one is advised not to step over, but that is something only for specific individual under special circumstances. It's not everyday for someone to wandering on a cliff.
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| From | kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 14:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0fa4tathcqt06vgqp4tejeb8u3baqtfabo@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #514707 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 01:10:27 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote:
>On 2015-08-17 08:39 PM, Alex W. wrote:
More nonsense about nothingness cross-posted
indiscriminately.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 18:00 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqke7b$vf2$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #513235 |
On 2015-08-13 10:36 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote: > On 8/13/2015 5:34 AM, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-13 07:47 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>> In article <mqh07u$g26$1@dont-email.me>, >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> >>>> William December Starr wrote: >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> I say you have a life. You have a purpose in life. You live your >>>>>> life for that purpose. Therefore, that purpose is the center of >>>>>> your life which makes it your god. It does not have to be >>>>>> religious, but it's just as important to you as any religious >>>>>> belief to a theist. You would devote your life to serve and fulfil >>>>>> your purpose just like any theist would in serving their God/gods. >>>>> >>>>> This may apply to some people. I do not believe that it applies to >>>>> all people. >>>> >>>> For example? >>> >>> For example, anyone who doesn't have a purpose in life, for which >>> they live their life. (Unless, as I noted in another posting, >>> you're counting "continue to exist" as a purpose.) >> >> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to worship >> the God of living. > > You contradicted yourself. First you said living is its own purpose, > then you said the purpose of living is to worship "god" > No, that's not what I meant. Living life is indeed a great purpose. For people who live their life with a great purpose, they make such great purpose itself a god or God. That purpose IS their god/God. Therefore, any atheists who have a purpose in life have a god/God they either consciously or unconsciously serve and follow. Those, who don't have any purpose at all, can be considered zombies... :-)
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 21:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqe87g$dju$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #512877 |
In article <mqe23c$h09$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living and > how a person lives his life determines without exception what kind of > God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind of "stamp". Proof-by-proclamation doesn't really work, you know. Nor for that matter does proof-by-I-really-really-personally-believe-this. -- wds
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 15:08 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqerbo$lbc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #512896 |
On 2015-08-12 09:41 AM, William December Starr wrote: > In article <mqe23c$h09$1@dont-email.me>, > niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >> I'm not really talking about thinking. I'm talking about living and >> how a person lives his life determines without exception what kind of >> God/god he or she worships. God is not another kind of "stamp". > > Proof-by-proclamation doesn't really work, you know. > > Nor for that matter does proof-by-I-really-really-personally-believe-this. > > -- wds > I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just showing you something you don't yet already know regarding the concept of God and what it actually means to life. The word God is not just a religious symbol. It is the giver and provider of life. For people who believe money is their god, they devote their life to money believing by doing so, that their life will be better because their money god will reward them with a better life. This is not any kind of religious doctrine. This is simply what actually happens in real life.
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 20:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqgmun$30t$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #512924 |
In article <mqerbo$lbc$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just showing you something you > don't yet already know "that you'd agrree with if you were smart enough to know I'm right." -- wds
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 15:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqdivt$8vk$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #512722 |
In article <mqd7g4$4i0$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different > functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and > center of a person's life. One can live his life without a > stamp. One can not live his life without the lord and center of > his life. If one does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to > believe the lord in somewhere else who functions as the center of > one's life. I do not believe that that statement is true. -- wds
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| From | bilgat@m.nu |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 14:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <kqkksap380usb33frk2b1vfih0md856lsm@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #512801 |
On 11 Aug 2015 15:38:37 -0400, wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote: >In article <mqd7g4$4i0$1@dont-email.me>, >niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different >> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and >> center of a person's life. One can live his life without a >> stamp. One can not live his life without the lord and center of >> his life. If one does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to >> believe the lord in somewhere else who functions as the center of >> one's life. > >I do not believe that that statement is true. its not in any shape or form.... later he will start talking about some guy name jesus who just also happens to be this mystical fairy beling that can do harry potter tricks
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 07:29 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqe0d3$c50$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #512801 |
On 2015-08-12 03:38 AM, William December Starr wrote: > In article <mqd7g4$4i0$1@dont-email.me>, > niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different >> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord and >> center of a person's life. One can live his life without a >> stamp. One can not live his life without the lord and center of >> his life. If one does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to >> believe the lord in somewhere else who functions as the center of >> one's life. > > I do not believe that that statement is true. > > -- wds > That is expected. There is no surprise there, but why snip off the rest of my post? Is there something you don't want to see and can not really deal with in the rest of what I said? That is not very honest of you. Is ethics never part of consideration in an atheist life?
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-11 21:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mqe8dl$88v$1@panix2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #512873 |
In article <mqe0d3$c50$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > On 2015-08-12 03:38 AM, William December Starr wrote: >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >> >>> The difference between a stamp and a god is in their different >>> functions. A stamp is just a piece of paper. A god is the lord >>> and center of a person's life. One can live his life without a >>> stamp. One can not live his life without the lord and center of >>> his life. If one does not believe the Lord in heaven, one has to >>> believe the lord in somewhere else who functions as the center >>> of one's life. >> >> I do not believe that that statement is true. > > That is expected. There is no surprise there, but why snip off the > rest of my post? Why not? Once I've established that I don't accept your basic premise, what's the point of going any further into your reasoning? > Is there something you don't want to see and can not really deal > with in the rest of what I said? That is not very honest of > you. Is ethics never part of consideration in an atheist life? Wow, passive-aggressive asshole much? -- wds
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