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  Clear And Present HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:17 -0800
    Re: Clear And Present Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:54 -0600
      Re: Clear And Present jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-11-22 19:46 +0000
      Re: Clear And Present jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-11-23 14:13 +0000
    Re: Clear And Present benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 03:30 -0500
      Re: Clear And Present HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 03:26 -0800
        Re: Clear And Present benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 12:38 -0500
          Re: Clear And Present HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 10:10 -0800
            Re: Clear And Present benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 00:03 -0500
    Re: Clear And Present "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 12:13 -0800
      Re: Clear And Present HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 07:06 -0800
        Re: Clear And Present benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 13:48 -0500
          Re: Clear And Present john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:49 -0800
        Re: Clear And Present "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 12:22 -0800
          Re: Clear And Present Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-25 00:46 +0000
            Re: Clear And Present HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 16:52 -0800
              Re: Clear And Present Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-25 01:16 +0000
            Re: Clear And Present "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 15:13 -0800
              Re: Clear And Present Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-25 23:48 +0000
              Re: Clear And Present Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 16:53 -0800
      Re: Clear And Present dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-25 16:38 -0500
    Re: Clear And Present Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-24 18:14 +0000
      Re: Clear And Present HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 16:45 -0800
        Re: Clear And Present Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-25 01:05 +0000
          Re: Clear And Present Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 17:55 -0800
        Re: Clear And Present benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 23:42 -0500
      Re: Clear And Present HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 16:50 -0800
        Re: Clear And Present Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-25 01:12 +0000
          Re: Clear And Present HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 05:12 -0800
            Re: Clear And Present john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 05:55 -0800
            Re: Clear And Present Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 05:56 -0800
            Re: Clear And Present benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 11:36 -0500

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#534564 — Clear And Present

The US Constitution orders the government to provide for our common defense.

Daesh/ISIS is a clear and present danger to the safety of our country.

Therefore, I call upon congress to declare war on Daesh and authorize any and all steps necessary to destroy them utterly. Install a general to oversee this operation and give him wide latitude to prosecute this war as he sees fit with a minimum of micromanagement from the white house.

Civilians will die in this operation. Collateral damage is unfortunate yet unavoidable to some extent. Also note that we are suffering civilian casualties now in France, Mali and NY City.

If we see a group in Mosul celebrating the attacks in Paris and shooting their AK47 into the air, why isn't that a legitimate target? 

We need to get real here and drop this pc bullshit. Muslims should be profiled at airports, train and bus stations. Muslims should be tracked during their day to day activities. Mosques should be observed for any subversive or terrorist behavior.

We must treat Muslims as Nazis.

We must marginalize their religion in our country. They must be made to feel inferior to normal people because they are.

You may ask why we should single out Muslims but the answer is obvious. 

"But Harlow, not all Muslims are terrorists!". 

True, but all terrorists are Muslim

Islam should be deemed to not be a religion, but a terror group.

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#534579

On 11/22/15 10:17 AM, HVAC wrote:
> The US Constitution orders the government to provide for our common defense.


   There is a clear and present danger of mass extinction, currently in
   progress, which may lead to the termination of our species.

> http://edu-observatory.org/olli/Climate/CO2_Methane_Temp.png




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#534599

Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/22/15 10:17 AM, HVAC wrote:
>> The US Constitution orders the government to provide for our common defense.
> 
> 
>   There is a clear and present danger of mass extinction, currently in
>   progress, which may lead to the termination of our species.

Nope; silly hysteria.

 
-- 
Jim Pennino

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#534781

Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 11/22/15 10:17 AM, HVAC wrote:
>> The US Constitution orders the government to provide for our common
defense.
>
>
>    There is a clear and present danger of mass extinction, currently in
>    progress, which may lead to the termination of our species.

But that's your goal so why are you complaining?

/BAH

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#534738

On 11/22/2015 11:17 AM, HVAC wrote:
> The US Constitution orders the government to provide for our common defense.
>
> Daesh/ISIS is a clear and present danger to the safety of our country.
>
> Therefore, I call upon congress to declare war on Daesh and authorize any and all steps necessary to destroy them utterly. Install a general to oversee this operation and give him wide latitude to prosecute this war as he sees fit with a minimum of micromanagement from the white house.
>
> Civilians will die in this operation. Collateral damage is unfortunate yet unavoidable to some extent. Also note that we are suffering civilian casualties now in France, Mali and NY City.
>
> If we see a group in Mosul celebrating the attacks in Paris and shooting their AK47 into the air, why isn't that a legitimate target?
>
> We need to get real here and drop this pc bullshit. Muslims should be profiled at airports, train and bus stations. Muslims should be tracked during their day to day activities. Mosques should be observed for any subversive or terrorist behavior.
>
> We must treat Muslims as Nazis.
>
> We must marginalize their religion in our country. They must be made to feel inferior to normal people because they are.
>
> You may ask why we should single out Muslims but the answer is obvious.
>
> "But Harlow, not all Muslims are terrorists!".
>
> True, but all terrorists are Muslim
>
> Islam should be deemed to not be a religion, but a terror group.

That's right H&V, gas chambers for Muslims. They are all subhuman, 
right? We kill rabid dogs, don't we? You get to kill the first one. I'm 
sure you can find a Muslim school near you to get the ball rolling.






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#534750

hat's right H&V, gas chambers for Muslims. They are all subhuman, 
right? We kill rabid dogs, don't we? You get to kill the first one. I'm 
sure you can find a Muslim school near you to get the ball rolling. 
---------

Of course anyone who disagrees with me is a traitor giving aid and comfort to the enemy

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#534828

On 11/23/2015 06:26 AM, HVAC wrote:
> hat's right H&V, gas chambers for Muslims. They are all subhuman,
> right? We kill rabid dogs, don't we? You get to kill the first one. I'm
> sure you can find a Muslim school near you to get the ball rolling.
> ---------
>
> Of course anyone who disagrees with me is a traitor giving aid and comfort to the enemy
>
Yeah, that's it, H&V. Go on a Jihad to kill all infidels!  You can start 
with me. Use the events of your heroes in Paris as your model.

You seem pretty rabid to me. No wonder you stay anonymous.

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#534841

What are you talking about BJ? 

My life is an open book

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#534989

On 11/23/2015 01:10 PM, HVAC wrote:
> What are you talking about BJ?
>
> My life is an open book

Prove it.

Yep. Another lie.

Oh, that's right it's a "classified" open book.
Oh I've got the clearance to read it, but just not the "need to know", 
it seems.

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#534885

On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-8, HVAC wrote:
> The US Constitution orders the government to provide for our common defense.
> 
> Daesh/ISIS is a clear and present danger to the safety of our country.
> 
> Therefore, I call upon congress to declare war on Daesh and authorize any and
> all steps necessary to destroy them utterly. Install a general to oversee
> this operation and give him wide latitude to prosecute this war as he sees
> fit with a minimum of micromanagement from the white house.

  So, you and Obama are on the same page:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/11/politics/isis-aumf-white-house-congress/
 
> Civilians will die in this operation. Collateral damage is unfortunate yet
> unavoidable to some extent. Also note that we are suffering civilian
> casualties now in France, Mali and NY City.

  Eh, goombah- the wise guys got NYC covered:

https://www.rt.com/usa/323032-mafia-isis-warning-gambino/

> If we see a group in Mosul celebrating the attacks in Paris and shooting
> their AK47 into the air, why isn't that a legitimate target? 
> 
> We need to get real here and drop this pc bullshit. Muslims should be
> profiled at airports, train and bus stations. Muslims should be tracked
> during their day to day activities. Mosques should be observed for any
> subversive or terrorist behavior.
> 
> We must treat Muslims as Nazis.
> 
> We must marginalize their religion in our country. They must be made to feel
> inferior to normal people because they are.

  So, you and Trump are on the same page. Shirley I don't need to post a link.

> You may ask why we should single out Muslims but the answer is obvious. 
> 
> "But Harlow, not all Muslims are terrorists!". 
> 
> True, but all terrorists are Muslim
> 
> Islam should be deemed to not be a religion, but a terror group.

  Name an organized religion that shouldn't.


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#535052

> Islam should be deemed to not be a religion, but a terror group. 

  Name an organized religion that shouldn't
-------------

We have to start somewhere. And I don't see an army of Buddhists on the march anywhere.

We have painted ourselves into a corner by being pc. Europe even more so. We see what that has brought us... Our open arms have been met with closed fists. Now they attack children at a rock concert. We must protect our children by all means necessary.

But I am open to other solutions. What you got Mark?

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#535097

On 11/24/2015 10:06 AM, HVAC wrote:
>> Islam should be deemed to not be a religion, but a terror group.
>
>    Name an organized religion that shouldn't
> -------------
>
> We have to start somewhere. And I don't see an army of Buddhists on the march anywhere.
>
> We have painted ourselves into a corner by being pc. Europe even more so. We see what that has brought us... Our open arms have been met with closed fists. Now they attack children at a rock concert. We must protect our children by all means necessary.
>
> But I am open to other solutions. What you got Mark?
>
Thou shalt not do murder, H&V!

You are going to roast in Hell. No, wait, that doesn't exist. You are 
going to create your own punishment! Yeah, that's more like what we all 
do. But you nutjobs are especially good at it. Good at taking as many as 
you can with you as well.

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#535137

Everyone is telling you stuff, HVAC!!

Are you listening?

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#535165

On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 7:06:57 AM UTC-8, HVAC wrote:
> > Islam should be deemed to not be a religion, but a terror group. 
> 
>   Name an organized religion that shouldn't
> -------------
> 
> We have to start somewhere. And I don't see an army of Buddhists on the march
> anywhere.

  Define "army":

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306

> We have painted ourselves into a corner by being pc. Europe even more so. We
> see what that has brought us... Our open arms have been met with closed
> fists. Now they attack children at a rock concert. We must protect our
> children by all means necessary.
> 
> But I am open to other solutions. What you got Mark?

  I've already said what I've got but nobody wants to hear it.

  Turn *all* so-called refugees away. It's their country going to hell in a handbasket, it's *their* duty to fix it, *not* ours. They might even have an easier time of it if we don't "help" them as we've been doing. I have a simple two-step plan to eliminate that "help".

1.  Close *all* of our overseas military bases permanently; ship everything home that we can, and walk away from what we can't.

2.  Cease *all* of our overseas military operations *except* those directly fulfilling current mutual-defense treaty obligations. When the treaty runs out, the operations end and our troops come home. The only extraterritorial operations we should be pursuing are Naval patrols to protect shipping, and air patrols and satellite missions for intel. We have no business "projecting force" for political or economical purposes; we never did.

  What do we do with all of the troops, dump them on the job market? No, we Eminent-Domain a fifty-mile-wide strip of land along our north and south borders, and turn them into military reservations. Relocate the evictees preferentially to cities on the inner edge (they'll become boomtowns). Barracks, admin, and so on are on the inside edge, the outside edge has a *four-foot* chain link fence with signs in every major language explaining that the rest of the fifty miles is a live-fire testing and training range a la the Barry Goldwater Range in AZ because that's what it will be (gotta have some place to expend that fiscal year's military procurements). Any survivors will be treated and trucked back to the outside.

  We don't really need most of the current Army or Marines since we won't be habitually putting our boots on others' ground. We don't really need most of the current Navy because we don't really need, as I said, to "project force". We don't really need most of the current Air Force, either. However, we have people who want to do that, so let them blow shit up real good where nobody will get hurt- wargaming with live ammo. Put video on the internet.

  If people still want to come here because home is hell, their "refugee" status gets them no special treatment; they have to go the citizenship route whole-hog. Learn the language(s), the history, renounce all past affiliations and loyalties, and swear in. Otherwise go back home. Period.

  (The immigration system needs serious overhaul. It should be much more open, but *probationary*. You make progress, or you get kicked back out. Deportation should be due only to probation violations like failure to learn the language etc., or commission of a felony [*not* misdemeanor].)

  Oh, and all aliens found inside when the doors slam shut must either go home on their own dime, enter the citizenship path, or they'll be forcibly put on the other side of the border of their choice. Period.

  There's more, but that's the bones.


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#535260

nuny@bid.nes wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Who?

>   I've already said what I've got but nobody wants to hear it.

Because, simply put, how you are posting is indicative, and what you are 
posting are the words, of an anti-social egotistical sanctimonious asshole.
 
>   Turn *all* so-called refugees away. It's their country going to hell in
>   a handbasket, it's *their* duty to fix it, *not* ours.

You are not thinking clearly.

Nobody said you were supposed to fix their country.  In fact, I say, keep 
your hands off their country: stop the proliferation of weapons, stop the 
bombing, allow the situation to cool down, and let that money go to the 
refugee camps on the borders instead: for blankets, food and schools.  

However, you *are* supposed to give shelter to those who have no place to 
live; not least so that they can heal and be put into a condition to 
eventually go back and fix their country.

What do you think would those refugees think who come to the Western world 
because they seek freedom if you turned them away, forced them to go to a 
country where they are not welcome or return into a country where they have 
to fear for their lives every day?  Would they become more susceptible to 
the terrorist mindset or less?  You have a chance here to make things better 
and you do not seize it.  Coward.

>   They might even have an easier time of it if we don't "help" them as
>   we've been doing. I have a simple two-step plan to eliminate that
>   "help".

Human rights of other people do not become void when they become 
inconvenient for you.  You wish to share your values, convince others that 
they are good and should be lived by?  Learn to live by them yourself first!

And will you *please* keep politics outside?  This newsgroup is about 
*physics*.


F'up2 set

PointedEars
-- 
Q: Where are offenders sentenced for light crimes?  
A: To a prism.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#535262

Human rights of other people do not become void when they become 
inconvenient for you.  You wish to share your values, convince others that 
they are good and should be lived by?  Learn to live by them yourself first! 

And will you *please* keep politics outside?  This newsgroup is about 
*physics*. 
------------

Lol hypocrite much?

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#535265

HVAC wrote:

> Human rights of other people do not become void when they become
> inconvenient for you.  You wish to share your values, convince others that
> they are good and should be lived by?  Learn to live by them yourself
> first!
> 
> And will you *please* keep politics outside?  This newsgroup is about
> *physics*.
> ------------
> 
> Lol hypocrite much?

*PLONK*


PointedEars
-- 
Q: Who's on the case when the electricity goes out?  
A: Sherlock Ohms.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#535484

On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 4:46:28 PM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Who?

  That's one measure I take to avoid spammers who harvest email addresses.

  Read the "at" symbol as "a" and ignore the dot, then pronounce it- it's four words slurred together.

> >   I've already said what I've got but nobody wants to hear it.
> 
> Because, simply put, how you are posting is indicative, and what you are 
> posting are the words, of an anti-social egotistical sanctimonious asshole.

  No, they're the words of someone who's tired of the consequences of his country's insane foreign policies. I don't want to be a citizen of "Team America: World Police".

  "Anti-social" must be your private code for "doesn't want to be a citizen of 'Team America: World Nanny'".

  "Egotistical" is not applicable since I'm not bragging myself up.

  "Sanctimonious", well, pot-kettle-black.

  "Asshole" means you're one of those who didn't want to hear it. Fine with me, stop reading my posts.

  See, the main difference between you and me (and between Daesh and me) is that I don't want to impose my values on anyone. I also don't want anyone to impose their values on me.

  If you don't like my values, don't read me.

  I won't take offense no matter how often you offer it. If you choose to be offended by what I write, that's your choice. Do you enjoy being offended?

> >   Turn *all* so-called refugees away. It's their country going to hell in
> >   a handbasket, it's *their* duty to fix it, *not* ours.
> 
> You are not thinking clearly.

  Yes, I am. It's THEIR country. It's THEIR duty.

  If my country was that fucked up because a bunch of extremist assholes started killing people who didn't share their belief system in an attempt to make everyone else change their beliefs through fear, it would be MY duty to (help) fix it. I would not run away.

> Nobody said you were supposed to fix their country.  In fact, I say, keep 
> your hands off their country:

  That's what I wrote. Can't you read?

  By the way- doesn't this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/world/middleeast/emirates-secretly-sends-colombian-mercenaries-to-fight-in-yemen.html?partner=msft_msn

  ...break some international convention or other?

  Oh, wait, it's Arabs doing it to other Arabs so it must be all right with you.

> stop the proliferation of weapons, stop the bombing,

  No shit? I've been saying that for decades. Besides, unilateral action on the part of the U. S. will be pointless since the most popular small arm in those hellholes is the AK-47, and guess who's bombing the living shit out of Syria these days?

> allow the situation to cool down,

  What makes you think "situation cools down" will amount to anything other than the crazies with guns enslaving those without guns, which is what the refugees are allegedly running away from? That is, assuming the would-be refugees don't grow spines and put Daesh down themselves...

> and let that money

  What money, the military appropriations that bought the bombs and the airplanes that dropped them, and the pilots who flew the planes? I've already said we don't really need most of those we have.

  Can't you read?

> go to the refugee camps on the borders instead: for blankets, food and
> schools.  

  We don't need refugee camps on our borders, either.

  If we did have such, they'd refuse the food (as they've been doing to European refugee aid providers) and wouldn't let their women and children go to the schools. Nor would the men go, likely. What kind of propaganda would you suggest the schools teach, anyway? You know that's what they'll call it.

> However, you *are* supposed to give shelter to those who have no place to 
> live; not least so that they can heal and be put into a condition to 
> eventually go back and fix their country.

  Says who? They let it get broken around them in the first place.

> What do you think would those refugees think who come to the Western world 
> because they seek freedom

  If they're seeking freedom, they're seeking citizenship, and I'm all for that.

> if you turned them away, forced them to go to a country where they are not
> welcome

  There are only three ways to enter the U. S.; cross a border from Canada or Mexico (if they weren't welcome there, how did they get there?), by boat (across the entire Pacific or Atlantic- they can sail instead to wherever you live), and by air (they can fly elsewhere, say where you live).

> or return into a country where they have to fear for their lives every day?

  They will think "I should have planned this better".

>  Would they become more susceptible to the terrorist mindset or less?

  I don't understand why people keep trotting out that bogus argument. 
 
  It asserts that refugees will switch from "afraid for their lives" to "willing to perform an act which WILL GET THEM KILLED".

  It's fucking stupid. Please stop helping it propagate.

>  You have a chance here to make things better and you do not seize it.

  If they don't want to live there and want to become citizens here, then fine.

  If they want to live here but not become citizens, and instead want to keep their culture *which is incompatible with American culture*, no.

>  Coward.

  IT'S NOT MY THING TO MAKE BETTER. If they don't have the courage to stand up to Daesh, and yes, that means risking their lives, then who are the cowards?

> >   They might even have an easier time of it if we don't "help" them as
> >   we've been doing. I have a simple two-step plan to eliminate that
> >   "help".
> 
> Human rights of other people do not become void when they become 
> inconvenient for you.

  There are no such things as "rights". There are needs (not just material ones) which must be met in order to live lives worthwhile to individuals, and those needs must occasionally be forcibly wrest from the grasp of tyrants. To claim rights exist that we are not willing to fight for is foolishness.

  If by "inconvenience" you refer to the inescapable fact that some of the alleged refugees are covert agents of Daesh, then yes, that's why I have a problem with blindly taking so-called refugees in.

  Refugees moving from point A to point B does NOTHING to change things in point A for the better. Never has, never will.

  I'm what you might call a Fundamentalist Buddhist. The Buddha taught that suffering has causes and is avoidable by avoiding the causes, and that resisting tyrants is preferable to suffering their whims. In other words, fight back.(1)

  If others choose not to take direct measures to prevent their own suffering, that's *their* choice.

>  You wish to share your values, convince others that they are good and should
> be lived by?

  No, I don't. I live my life the way *I* think it ought to be lived, according to *my* values. If others find that good and want to do the same, fine with me. If not, also fine with me because their lives are not mine to live. If they want to make me change to their values, they will have inconveniences because my life is not theirs to live.

> And will you *please* keep politics outside?

  Do you actually read this group? You should have figured out that this was going to be a political thread before finishing HVAC's first line. If you didn't want to participate, why are you? If you don't like posts about politics in sci.physics, why did you post one?

  Why do you expect *me* to follow rules that *you* set down but won't follow *yourself*?

>  This newsgroup is about *physics*.

(1) Cause and effect in politics.


  Mark L. Fergerson

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#535500

nuny@bid.nes wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 4:46:28 PM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars'
> Lahn wrote:
>> And will you *please* keep politics outside?
> 
>   Do you actually read this group?

Yes, regularly, that is why I object its being hijacked by people with their 
own political agenda.  It was just this one posting that I did not want to 
let go uncommented, and I set F'up2 so that the rest of the discussion would 
not happen in *this* newsgroup.

>   You should have figured out that this was going to be a political thread

I knew it was a political, completely off-topic OP, which is why I objected 
to it in the way that I did.

>   before finishing HVAC's first line.

“HVAC” is a troll for posting that here, plain a simple.

>   If you didn't want to participate, why are you?

Get yourself informed about the meaning of “Followup-To”, googlodyte.

>   If you don't like posts about politics in sci.physics, why did you post
>   one?

You are confusing cause and effect.
 
>   Why do you expect *me* to follow rules that *you* set down but won't
>   follow *yourself*?

I tried to follow my own rules, but frankly, you braindead idiots are not 
making it easy as you are continuously ignoring the strong recommendations, 
made both in words and technically, to continue posting about this elsewhere 
(if you must post about it).
 
>>  This newsgroup is about *physics*.
> 
> (1) Cause and effect in politics.

What are you blathering about?  This thread has nothing to do with physics.  
It does not belong here.

Now get a brain or get lost.  *PLONK*


F'up2 poster

PointedEars
-- 
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
 testing your knowledge means everything.”
   —Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
    in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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#535526

Best reasonable logical consequential discussion in a long time...

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 6:13:29 PM UTC-5, nu...@bid.nes wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 4:46:28 PM UTC-8, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Who?

By which is meant, stop doing the silly ^^^^^...^^^ nonsense. It just
don't work, as intended.

>   That's one measure I take to avoid spammers who harvest email addresses. 

Also Thomas, Mark signs his posts most always.

>   Read the "at" symbol as "a" and ignore the dot, then pronounce it-
> it's four words slurred together.

> > >   I've already said what I've got but nobody wants to hear it.
> > 
> > Because, simply put, how you are posting is indicative, and what you are 
> > posting are the words, of an anti-social egotistical sanctimonious asshole.

Sanctimonious before ...youKnow. Beautiful!

>   No, they're the words of someone who's tired of the consequences
> of his country's insane foreign policies. I don't want to be a
> citizen of "Team America: World Police".

Given what the actual Police of USA is, I agree 100%! Cops know best.

>   "Anti-social" must be your private code for "doesn't want to be a
> citizen of 'Team America: World Nanny'".

>   "Egotistical" is not applicable since I'm not bragging myself up.
> 
>   "Sanctimonious", well, pot-kettle-black.
> 
>   "Asshole" means you're one of those who didn't want to hear
> it. Fine with me, stop reading my posts.

I gots to get me a more current dictionary! Help Twitter@#?!

>   See, the main difference between you and me (and between Daesh and
> me) is that I don't want to impose my values on anyone. I also don't
> want anyone to impose their values on me.

>   If you don't like my values, don't read me.

There's your actual real Real REAL problem Mark. Fare Thee Well.

>  I won't take offense no matter how often you offer it. If you
>   choose to be offended by what I write, that's your choice. Do you
>   enjoy being offended?

> > >   Turn *all* so-called refugees away. It's their country going to hell in
> > >   a handbasket, it's *their* duty to fix it, *not* ours.
> > 
> > You are not thinking clearly.
> 
>   Yes, I am. It's THEIR country. It's THEIR duty.

You mispelled company. O wait... were it to Thomas or Mark I meant?

>   If my country was that fucked up because a bunch of extremist
> assholes started killing people who didn't share their belief system
> in an attempt to make everyone else change their beliefs through
> fear, it would be MY duty to (help) fix it. I would not run away.

Politicians should be shot dead like JFK before they speak a letter.

> > Nobody said you were supposed to fix their country.  In fact, I say, keep 
> > your hands off their country:
> 
>   That's what I wrote. Can't you read?

Mark, my pal Mark, people read what they hope to hear.

>   By the way- doesn't this:
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/world/middleeast/emirates-secretly-sends-colombian-mercenaries-to-fight-in-yemen.html?partner=msft_msn
> 
>   ...break some international convention or other?
> 
>   Oh, wait, it's Arabs doing it to other Arabs so it must be all right with you.
> 
> > stop the proliferation of weapons, stop the bombing,
> 

>   No shit? I've been saying that for decades. Besides, unilateral
> action on the part of the U. S. will be pointless since the most
> popular small arm in those hellholes is the AK-47, and guess who's
> bombing the living shit out of Syria these days?

> > allow the situation to cool down,
> 

>   What makes you think "situation cools down" will amount to
> anything other than the crazies with guns enslaving those without
> guns, which is what the refugees are allegedly running away from?
> That is, assuming the would-be refugees don't grow spines and put
> Daesh down themselves...

Daesh is Dash as ISIS is not ISIL, I presume. 
Typing pronunciation matters?! SMS limited words count exceeded?!

> > and let that money
> 

>   What money, the military appropriations that bought the bombs and
> the airplanes that dropped them, and the pilots who flew the planes?
> I've already said we don't really need most of those we have.

>   Can't you read?

Ask BenJacoby@#, people read only to reinforce their preconceived baises.

> > go to the refugee camps on the borders instead: for blankets, food and
> > schools.  
> 
>   We don't need refugee camps on our borders, either.
> 
>   If we did have such, they'd refuse the food (as they've been doing
> to European refugee aid providers) and wouldn't let their women and
> children go to the schools. Nor would the men go, likely. What kind
> of propaganda would you suggest the schools teach, anyway? You know
> that's what they'll call it.
>
> > However, you *are* supposed to give shelter to those who have no place to 
> > live; not least so that they can heal and be put into a condition to 
> > eventually go back and fix their country.
> 
>   Says who? They let it get broken around them in the first place.

I doubt that. Someone showered them with perfectly engineered bombs.
Screw you War Trojan condoms with built in Depends. @#(TM, SM, and BMW).

> > What do you think would those refugees think who come to the Western world 
> > because they seek freedom
> 
>   If they're seeking freedom, they're seeking citizenship, and I'm all for that.
> 
> > if you turned them away, forced them to go to a country where they are not
> > welcome

There's no reason for humans, of the people kind, to migrate. Cities
like Dubai demonstrate we humans can build islands where none
exist. Btw, per many measures, most of Dubain buildings are still
76.38 percent empty. Get the Math?! Working plumbing and all!!

>   There are only three ways to enter the U. S.; cross a border from
> Canada or Mexico (if they weren't welcome there, how did they get
> there?), by boat (across the entire Pacific or Atlantic- they can
> sail instead to wherever you live), and by air (they can fly
> elsewhere, say where you live).

Very childish three ways. Most aliens come to USA via marriages. I
knew a Math Guy who enjoyed fucking his imported wife before showing
up to work. You could see it in his happy smile. Daily daily DAILY.

> > or return into a country where they have to fear for their lives every day?
> 
>   They will think "I should have planned this better".
> 
> >  Would they become more susceptible to the terrorist mindset or less?
> 
>   I don't understand why people keep trotting out that bogus argument. 

Because terror resides in Heil Trump's hair. By every moment.

>   It asserts that refugees will switch from "afraid for their lives"
> to "willing to perform an act which WILL GET THEM KILLED".

>   It's fucking stupid. Please stop helping it propagate.
> 
> >  You have a chance here to make things better and you do not seize it.
> 
>   If they don't want to live there and want to become citizens here, then fine.
> 
>   If they want to live here but not become citizens, and instead
> want to keep their culture *which is incompatible with American
> culture*, no.

There's nothing unversal about any American Culture. 

> >  Coward.
> 
>   IT'S NOT MY THING TO MAKE BETTER. If they don't have the courage
> to stand up to Daesh, and yes, that means risking their lives, then
> who are the cowards?

Daesh or Dash or ISIS or ISIl or isIsIS or Sisi Sissy... would just
stop, put the guns and drones down, and walk away like a movie star...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqMG3VR5PP4
Gordon Lightfoot "If You Could Read My Mind" - Lyrics

> > >   They might even have an easier time of it if we don't "help" them as
> > >   we've been doing. I have a simple two-step plan to eliminate that
> > >   "help".
> > 
> > Human rights of other people do not become void when they become 
> > inconvenient for you.

That's a great sentence Thomas! I just love it. Thank you.

>   There are no such things as "rights". There are needs (not just
> material ones) which must be met in order to live lives worthwhile
> to individuals, and those needs must occasionally be forcibly wrest
> from the grasp of tyrants. To claim rights exist that we are not
> willing to fight for is foolishness.

Earth is not a conglomerate of companies, I mean countries.

>   If by "inconvenience" you refer to the inescapable fact that some
> of the alleged refugees are covert agents of Daesh, then yes, that's
> why I have a problem with blindly taking so-called refugees in.

More illegal humans, walk into USA than a small number of bombed
Syrians. Perhaps them Syrians should post about themselves on a Math
Website and get showered, I mean marriaged, into USA?! If you've seen
one, you've seen them all. No matter how young and beautiful.

>   Refugees moving from point A to point B does NOTHING to change
> things in point A for the better. Never has, never will.

No doubt Mark.

>   I'm what you might call a Fundamentalist Buddhist. The Buddha
> taught that suffering has causes and is avoidable by avoiding the
> causes, and that resisting tyrants is preferable to suffering their
> whims. In other words, fight back.(1)

>   If others choose not to take direct measures to prevent their own
> suffering, that's *their* choice.

> >  You wish to share your values, convince others that they are good and should
> > be lived by?

The good is free. What's to share, it's like the dark or night.

>   No, I don't. I live my life the way *I* think it ought to be
> lived, according to *my* values. If others find that good and want
> to do the same, fine with me. If not, also fine with me because
> their lives are not mine to live. If they want to make me change to
> their values, they will have inconveniences because my life is not
> theirs to live.

Mark, you care too much for others' live to mean that. Accept it.

> > And will you *please* keep politics outside?
> 
>   Do you actually read this group? You should have figured out that
> this was going to be a political thread before finishing HVAC's
> first line. If you didn't want to participate, why are you? If you
> don't like posts about politics in sci.physics, why did you post
> one?

Too deep. Just ignore votes pusher Heil HVAC. No vote counts.

>   Why do you expect *me* to follow rules that *you* set down but
> won't follow *yourself*?

> >  This newsgroup is about *physics*.

Physics is a four letter word heard here as shit. Thomas, my
PointedEars friend, you must outplay them in their imaginary word
games. As theyTheCEOs in WTC#4, imagine what goes on in WTC#1, tiny
corporate room business meetings will say: If it ain't writ, it never
happened.

> (1) Cause and effect in politics.
> 
>   Mark L. Fergerson

Thomas, Mark is simply asking you to wake the fuck up (WTFU@#).

-- Mahipal "IPMM..."

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