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| From | benj <nobody@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics, comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.free.newsservers, sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! |
| References | (1 earlier) <pan.2015.08.14.19.13.36@localhost.localdomain> <DeSdnUdLz6-HHVPInZ2dnUU7-f-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.16{3.09A.Seattle.2015}> <1MfAx.63622$Ry3.60768@fx09.iad> <55d262e4$1@news.ausics.net> |
| Message-ID | <v3uAx.110$oV3.78@fx13.iad> (permalink) |
| Organization | TeraNews.com |
| Date | 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400 |
Cross-posted to 4 groups.
On 08/17/2015 06:40 PM, noel wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 03:08:44 -0400, benj wrote:
>
>>
>> Rolf, you are still an idiot. Copying a file IS theft if the file is
>> copyrighted. "RIGHT TO COPY"! Get the picture? To copy without the
>> right to do so is theft pure and simple.
>
> Actually, no, not so pure and not so simple, don't assume your countries
> laws apply equally everywhere, you see in my country:
>
> 1/ Theft implies a criminal offence, a violation of an Act under the
> criminal code, making theft, the stealing of a thing, trade or state
> secret, a "crime" under our criminal code.
>
> 2/ Copyright infringement is not under our criminal code, it is covered
> by other legislation, the Telecommunications Act, meaning it is a CIVIL
> wrong, making it a matter for the copyright owner to chase down and sue
> all violators for damages - any "fair use provisions" not withstanding.
>
> Although copyright infringment is wrong and deprives the author (well
> actually nearly everyone BUT the author, since they get sweet fuck all of
> the royalties anyway - the majority goes to managers, production comps
> and so on) of a small part of their income capability, so please do not
> confuse the two, you can not here and since most of this countries laws
> originate out of the westminster legal system, I dare say much of UK and
> maybe even much of europe, call C.I. "theft".
Well, you can argue fine points of law but that isn't the point, is it?
Theft as a general word means taking something that does not belong to
you from someone else if they have not given you permission (sold it or
gave it to you). Whether it's criminal law or civil law there are acts
causing damages to the owners and owners have right to seek justice.
How exactly all this is done just depends on the system and doesn't
change the meaning of what is going on. The points under discussion are
the big picture and the big picture is how can copyrights encourage the
kinds of works that move civilization forward? A bunch of people
"stealing" a file instead of paying for the work clearly discourages
authors from engaging in the creation of such works. But as you note
ALSO a bunch of managers, producers, production companies etc. grabbing
an unfair share also represent a problem.
Again I point out the general principle of copyright laws is NOT to
guarantee profits for authors and their descendants forever, but rather
to ENCOURAGE such authors to produce such works. Stopping the "theft" or
whatever word you want to use by easy digital technology helps do that
by giving return for the effort. On the other hand my point was that
when the guarantees of profit become so excessive and finely tuned that
educational and research "fair use" is denied without fees, then clearly
the original purpose of copyright laws (namely to encourage research and
education for the betterment of society) has been subverted.
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