Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > sci.physics > #585647

Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums!

Show all headers | View raw

On 19/06/2016 4:56 PM, trudi.schwander@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, June 19, 2016 at 6:10:39 AM UTC+2, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 19/06/2016 2:58 AM, trudi.schwander@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 2:35:47 PM UTC+2, Sylvia Else
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 18/06/2016 4:05 PM, Y.Porat wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 10:32:20 AM UTC+3, Sylvia Else
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/06/2016 5:09 AM, Sven Andersson wrote:
>>>>>>> The web-forum Physics Forums censors unwanted postings
>>>>>>> that are ever so slightly outside the bounds of orthodox
>>>>>>> science. All it took for me to be banned for life, was
>>>>>>> three postings arguing for the ideas of Charles S. Cagle!
>>>>>>> The person that banned me for life is mfb, an "insights
>>>>>>> author" with 45 "followers". Apparently his insights are
>>>>>>> excellent when it comes to censorship. Galilei would have
>>>>>>> everything to fear from this man.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Relativity or quantum physics could never have been even
>>>>>>> discussed, let alone accepted, if that kind of censorship
>>>>>>> had been in existence in the early 20th century!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Read the forum rules please. Peer-reviewed science that
>>>>>>> is discussed seriously in the scientific community only.
>>>>>>> Zero relative velocity for fusion is just nonsense."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After this e-mail I was banned for life. Physics Forums
>>>>>>> don't respond to e-mails. No explanation. No apology.
>>>>>>> This stinks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Peer-reviewed science that is discussed seriously in the
>>>>>>> scientific community only" Small wonder then, that
>>>>>>> physics is standing still!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Modern day Galileis like Halton C. Arp would have known
>>>>>>> more about mfb and the type of "scientist" he represents.
>>>>>>> And the courageous scientists who make research into
>>>>>>> earth expansion would too. And many others who go ever so
>>>>>>> slightly against the accepted dogma...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last from Arp's book Seeing Red p270:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Referees
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Refereeing or "peer review" as is rather pompously
>>>>>>> called, is now unworkable. It has increasingly shown that
>>>>>>> it lets in the bad papers and excludes that good ones,
>>>>>>> exactly the opposite of what it is supposed to do."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only thing that peer review guarantees is orthodoxy,
>>>>>>> nowadays. Complete stasis is the result!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't forget either to read on p259 "Big Science as the
>>>>>>> Medieval Church". A medieval church with mfb-like
>>>>>>> characters as grand-inquisitors...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sven
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's their forum,
>>>>>
>>>>> ================================= while you say  'their***
>>>>> forum how 'their what was their investment in it
>>>>
>>>> It's hosted somewhere. Someone is paying for it, and for its
>>>> domain name registration. That makes it theirs.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia
>>>
>>> Who does this un-moderated forum that we are having discussions
>>> on belong to? Who is paying for this forum? How do moderated
>>> forums chose their moderators? Who do they pay to and who pays
>>> and how much?
>>>
>>
>> This is a Usenet group, which is a rather different beast. There
>> are multiple Usenet servers owned by different people which
>> distribute the group messages between them. The servers are
>> typically either provided by ISPs to their customers, or are
>> independently owned and accessed by paying a fee. There are a few
>> independently owner servers that are free to use, but you get what
>> you pay for. Either way, ownership of a server does not confer any
>> power over groups, beyond decisions about whether to support a
>> group at all, and how long posts are retained on that particular
>> server. The group itself is not based on any particular server, and
>> is not owned by anyone.
>>
>> A moderated Usenet group is created at the behest of a person
>> seeking to be the initial moderator. That person, and anyone
>> subsequently appointed by that person, are essentially God as far
>> as that particular group is concerned.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Thank you Sylvia for the very informative description.
>
> As far as I understand, un-moderated Usenet newsgroups (like this one
> right here) provided by Google for free are the ONLY discussion
> forums available on the internet where ANYONE  can easily and FREELY
> post ANY posts that are guaranteed to be UNCENSORED. I hope Google
> continues to provide this very valuable service.

Usenet is not provided by Google, and long pre-dates them. Google merely 
operates a web to Usenet bridge, which allows people to use a web 
browser to read and post into Usenet. People usually find a Usenet 
client such as Thunderbird easier to use, and certainly quicker.

>
> The ONLY disadvantage I can see is that you have to live with,
> tolerate and accept members who take the discussions off the track.
> They do this by posting replies that have no relevance to the
> discussions going on. They are noisemakers trying to drown out the
> discussions and do not want to listen and discuss, but ONLY want to
> be heard. They generate annoying emotions that cloud any rational
> thinking.
>
> Fortunately, unlike in a physical setting of a room where they can
> not be ignored, in the virtual room of the internet, they can be very
> easily ignored. I have learned very much and greatly benefited from
> this group.

Ignoring them is even easier if you use a Usenet client. You can tell 
the client to ignore postings from certain individuals (known as 
kill-filing them for historical reasons).

Sylvia.

Back to sci.physics | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar | Unroll thread

Thread

Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! Sven Andersson <pairwise.relations@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-16 12:09 -0700
  Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-06-16 12:34 -0700
  Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-16 21:17 -0700
  Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-16 22:52 -0700
    Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2016-06-16 23:27 -0700
      Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 16:46 -0700
  Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-17 17:32 +1000
    Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2016-06-17 01:04 -0700
      Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-18 12:54 +1000
        Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2016-06-17 22:01 -0700
          Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-18 15:06 +1000
            Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2016-06-17 23:37 -0700
      Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 17:06 -0700
    Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! Boris Mohar <borism_void_@sympatico.ca> - 2016-06-17 07:27 -0400
    Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-17 10:15 -0500
    Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-06-17 23:05 -0700
      Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-18 22:35 +1000
        Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 09:58 -0700
          Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-19 14:10 +1000
            Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 23:56 -0700
              Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-19 17:16 +1000
                Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! trudi.schwander@gmail.com - 2016-06-19 08:24 -0700
              Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 08:04 -0700
    Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 08:01 -0700
  Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 13:12 -0700
    Re: Ridiculous, idiotic censorship on Physics Forums! pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 13:45 -0700

csiph-web