Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible

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Date	2017-01-01 21:07 -0800
From	The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups	rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, alt.astronomy
Subject	Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible
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Sylvia Else wrote:
> 
> On 2/01/2017 11:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 1/01/2017 5:51 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 31/12/2016 6:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 31/12/2016 3:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 31/12/2016 6:19 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> lets say you travel back in time in a time machine and your
> >>>>>>>>>> time machine lands on your grandfather and kills him...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Time Travel Is Not Possible.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Any answers you give saying time travel is possible would
> >>>>>>>>>> be...absurd answers.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> i don't want to hear absurd answers like you come back in
> >>>>>>>>>> unproven paralell universes where your father and grandfather
> >>>>>>>>>> still exist...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> i don't want to hear it!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Why not? You're effectively saying that the Universe has a
> >>>>>>>>> particular form, one in which your proof works. That's akin to
> >>>>>>>>> a circular argument. Maybe the universe does have such a form,
> >>>>>>>>> and time travel really is impossible, but you have no proof of
> >>>>>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I would say by now somebody in the far future would be here
> >>>>>>>> now...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time traveller
> >>>>>>> from the far future has come here is that there is no far future
> >>>>>>> from which to come - civilisation wipes itself out - humans become
> >>>>>>> extinct due to natural disaster, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Where did you get this idea "civilisation wipes itself out", and
> >>>>>> "humans become extinct"? a crystal ball??
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They're merely possibilities. Since they are possible, you cannot use
> >>>>> the non-existence of time travellers from the future as proof that time
> >>>>> travel is impossible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, you actually believe that it is possible that a whole "civilisation" can be wiped out?? How??? Can you give an example?
> >>>
> >>> Nearby supernova, collision between black-holes somewhere in the
> >>> galactic neighbourhood, large comet collision with Earth, worldwide
> >>> nuclear war, biological weapons, runaway global warming, return to
> >>> ice-ball Earth. The list of possibilities is endless.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, I don't see any signs of 'humans becoming extint', ...what signs do you see, Mrs Else?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, for the most part there wouldn't be any signs, because it wouldn't
> >>> be a gradual process.
> >>>
> >>> Sylvia.
> >>
> >> Most girls don't even think like you do...
> >
> >
> > I wrote "an example" not 'examples'...
> 
> Really, you wanted just one example?
> 
> >
> > lets take one of your examples: "large comet collision with Earth".
> >
> > It has never in the past happen to wipe out a whole cilivization, maybe
> > a few ants...it's speculation, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR SPECULATION. Your
> > so-called
> > theories are useless today. They are nothing more than science fiction
> > ideas.
> >
> 
> Of course human civilisation has never been wiped out - if it had been,
> then we'd not be here to discuss it (a variation of the anthropic
> principle). That means that we have no idea of the probability of its
> happening. Perhaps it's quite likely, and we've just been very lucky.

Wrong.
If you list all the "we've just been very lucky"...it will turn out it's not Luck.





> 
> The Earth has been hit by large objects in the past, causing mass
> extinctions. 

Oh oh, here comes the "What happen to the dinosaurs?" theories...i thought you had more
intelligence thab that...i guess I over estimated you...you are a girl.





>It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that such a thing
> could happen again, and be severe enough to wipe out the human race.

every single person, right?


> 
> You've sought to characterise the absence of visitors from the future as
> proof that time travel is impossible. "Proof" is a strong word. To prove
> something you need to exclude not just likely counter-examples, but all
> possible counter-examples. You're nowhere near being able to do that.
> 
> Sylvia.


Yes, "Proof" is a strong word...not inside the vocalubulary of the 'scientific community'. "Maybe" is the word they worship.

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Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 11:19 -0800
  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 11:22 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-12-30 11:47 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 12:01 -0800
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-12-30 12:25 -0800
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-12-30 18:06 -0500
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Peter <Poakfield@msn.com> - 2017-01-05 07:55 -0800
  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible HGW <hw@....> - 2016-12-31 07:54 +1100
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2016-12-30 21:03 +0000
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 13:13 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Peter <Poakfield@msn.com> - 2017-01-05 07:54 -0800
  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 13:20 -0800
  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-30 21:30 +0000
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 15:24 -0700
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:25 -0800
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:28 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible tomkratman@gmail.com - 2017-01-05 15:50 -0800
  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "chwilozof" <nieznajome@att.com> - 2016-12-30 16:33 -0500
    just kidding noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-12-30 16:00 -0800
  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 13:03 +1100
    How to travel in time Don Kuenz <g@crcomp.net> - 2016-12-31 02:38 +0000
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:21 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 15:32 +1100
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 23:05 -0800
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 19:07 +1100
            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 10:51 -0800
              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 11:44 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 17:26 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 13:10 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 11:18 -0600
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:48 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 12:03 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 21:07 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 16:25 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-02 10:19 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-03 14:54 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-03 21:18 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-04 16:45 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-03 21:53 -0800
                _the tetrahedron & how to use it_, copyr.'958, Oklahoma u.presS noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 11:43 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-05 11:38 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 12:35 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-06 11:18 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 16:45 -0700
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-05 17:50 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-06 13:29 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:13 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-07 11:57 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 15:30 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-01-07 17:20 -0800
                no train,. no timetable noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-09 16:09 -0800
                Re: no train,. no timetable Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 11:33 +1100
                no watch, Miss traiN noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 15:18 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 11:34 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-10 09:14 -0800
                Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-10 17:12 -0500
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-11 22:40 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-01-06 00:37 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:06 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 09:18 -0700
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:24 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:00 -0700
                Gutless whining (was Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-01-06 09:50 -0800
                Re: Gutless whining (was Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 10:00 -0700
                Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-07 21:43 -0500
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 16:44 -0700
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2016-12-31 07:23 +0000
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2016-12-31 12:56 -0500
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2017-01-01 15:07 +0000
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Tiffany Wuest <eesio@esufsi.info> - 2017-01-01 15:47 +0000
            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 09:52 -0600
              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-01 16:52 +0000
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 11:16 -0600
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-01 21:19 +0000
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:52 -0800
              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:50 -0800
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Peter <Poakfield@msn.com> - 2017-01-05 07:52 -0800
  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-31 11:21 -0800
  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-01 19:15 -0500
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:56 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 12:14 +1100
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Winona Bellard <erli@aeni.no> - 2017-01-02 23:02 +0000
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Kadaitcha Man <nospam.nospam.nospam@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 23:05 +0000
            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Winona Bellard <erli@aeni.no> - 2017-01-02 23:17 +0000
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                Re: Winona Bellard, urine good-time girl whore Olinda Metcalfe <efacf@ecMlcn.org> - 2017-01-02 23:33 +0000
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                Re: Guilt without sex benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-02 18:49 -0500
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-03 14:58 +1100
            time of arrow'd noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 13:01 -0800
            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-03 18:03 -0500
            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-09 21:20 +0000
              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 16:53 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-10 06:07 +0000
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-10 19:18 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-10 13:47 +0000
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-11 23:21 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-12 15:11 +0000
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-12 08:55 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-12 22:09 +0000
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 10:39 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-13 22:37 +0000
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 22:41 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 23:00 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 15:25 +0000
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-14 10:16 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-14 21:28 +0000
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible thugstyle103@gmail.com - 2017-01-14 14:59 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-13 23:44 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible thugstyle103@gmail.com - 2017-01-13 18:42 -0800
                wave at the clown noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 10:46 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-10 09:29 -0800
                Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-10 14:04 -0500
                Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-01-10 11:19 -0700
      Re: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-01-01 20:45 -0500
        travel taketh time ... usually noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 16:54 -0800
          Re: travel taketh time ... usually noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 14:18 -0800
  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 14:19 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-01-05 14:28 -0800
  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 14:23 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-01-05 14:26 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-05 18:13 -0500
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 13:08 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-01-06 13:30 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-07 15:27 -0800
  Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2017-01-05 15:25 -0800
    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2017-01-05 16:05 -0800

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