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Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible

Message-ID <5869A346.1C8@ix.netcom.com> (permalink)
Date 2017-01-01 16:48 -0800
From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, alt.astronomy
Subject Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible
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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >
> > On 1/01/2017 5:51 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 31/12/2016 6:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 31/12/2016 3:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>> Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 31/12/2016 6:19 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>> lets say you travel back in time in a time machine and your
> > >>>>>>> time machine lands on your grandfather and kills him...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Time Travel Is Not Possible.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Any answers you give saying time travel is possible would
> > >>>>>>> be...absurd answers.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> i don't want to hear absurd answers like you come back in
> > >>>>>>> unproven paralell universes where your father and grandfather
> > >>>>>>> still exist...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> i don't want to hear it!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Why not? You're effectively saying that the Universe has a
> > >>>>>> particular form, one in which your proof works. That's akin to
> > >>>>>> a circular argument. Maybe the universe does have such a form,
> > >>>>>> and time travel really is impossible, but you have no proof of
> > >>>>>> that.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sylvia.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I would say by now somebody in the far future would be here
> > >>>>> now...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time traveller
> > >>>> from the far future has come here is that there is no far future
> > >>>> from which to come - civilisation wipes itself out - humans become
> > >>>> extinct due to natural disaster, etc.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sylvia.
> > >>>
> > >>> Where did you get this idea "civilisation wipes itself out", and
> > >>> "humans become extinct"? a crystal ball??
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> They're merely possibilities. Since they are possible, you cannot use
> > >> the non-existence of time travellers from the future as proof that time
> > >> travel is impossible.
> > >>
> > >> Sylvia.
> > >
> > > So, you actually believe that it is possible that a whole "civilisation" can be wiped out?? How??? Can you give an example?
> >
> > Nearby supernova, collision between black-holes somewhere in the
> > galactic neighbourhood, large comet collision with Earth, worldwide
> > nuclear war, biological weapons, runaway global warming, return to
> > ice-ball Earth. The list of possibilities is endless.
> >
> > >
> > > Also, I don't see any signs of 'humans becoming extint', ...what signs do you see, Mrs Else?
> > >
> >
> > Well, for the most part there wouldn't be any signs, because it wouldn't
> > be a gradual process.
> >
> > Sylvia.
> 
> Most girls don't even think like you do...


I wrote "an example" not 'examples'...

lets take one of your examples: "large comet collision with Earth".

It has never in the past happen to wipe out a whole cilivization, maybe
a few ants...it's speculation, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR SPECULATION. Your
so-called
theories are useless today. They are nothing more than science fiction
ideas.

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      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:25 -0800
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    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 20:21 -0800
      Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 15:32 +1100
        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-30 23:05 -0800
          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-31 19:07 +1100
            Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 10:51 -0800
              Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 11:44 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-31 17:26 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-01 13:10 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Yuri Kretin <invlaid@invalid.com> - 2017-01-01 11:18 -0600
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:48 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-02 12:03 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 21:07 -0800
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                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-03 14:54 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-03 21:18 -0800
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-04 16:45 +1100
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                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-06 11:18 +1100
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                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-06 13:29 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-06 09:13 -0800
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                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-01-11 22:40 +1100
                Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-01-06 00:37 -0800
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          Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:52 -0800
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    Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-01 16:56 -0800
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        Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-10 09:29 -0800
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