Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.us.feeder.erje.net!newspeer1.nac.net!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 23:07:48 -0600 Message-ID: <5869E028.3FF1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 21:07:52 -0800 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.astronomy Subject: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible References: <5866B352.6F63@ix.netcom.com> <58673243.3914@ix.netcom.com> <586758A0.1F74@ix.netcom.com> <5867FE37.723@ix.netcom.com> <58685AA8.4AAB@ix.netcom.com> <5869A346.1C8@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 141 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-McPByqI+PTqdevjaC6GwdUy7L4+cj9pg6cgkcYAXNLtFfgjNYCYQVUQHDbvmgTP+7Rw6V8bAWqdgOr2!EgzSCJLfPDRRy5232xK6h4c98fXgRXN+xPrT+0QA/uBszr1BA2/dF6/xBnf2x0clHqPyJEG2R1gv!CUrWkW9o5kM= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 6213 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:461430 sci.physics:611273 sci.physics.relativity:403754 alt.astronomy:288546 Sylvia Else wrote: > > On 2/01/2017 11:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > >> > >> Sylvia Else wrote: > >>> > >>> On 1/01/2017 5:51 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>> Sylvia Else wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On 31/12/2016 6:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 31/12/2016 3:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>>>> Sylvia Else wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 31/12/2016 6:19 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> lets say you travel back in time in a time machine and your > >>>>>>>>>> time machine lands on your grandfather and kills him... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Time Travel Is Not Possible. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Any answers you give saying time travel is possible would > >>>>>>>>>> be...absurd answers. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> i don't want to hear absurd answers like you come back in > >>>>>>>>>> unproven paralell universes where your father and grandfather > >>>>>>>>>> still exist... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> i don't want to hear it! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Why not? You're effectively saying that the Universe has a > >>>>>>>>> particular form, one in which your proof works. That's akin to > >>>>>>>>> a circular argument. Maybe the universe does have such a form, > >>>>>>>>> and time travel really is impossible, but you have no proof of > >>>>>>>>> that. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sylvia. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I would say by now somebody in the far future would be here > >>>>>>>> now... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That's a different argument. But maybe the reason no time traveller > >>>>>>> from the far future has come here is that there is no far future > >>>>>>> from which to come - civilisation wipes itself out - humans become > >>>>>>> extinct due to natural disaster, etc. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sylvia. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Where did you get this idea "civilisation wipes itself out", and > >>>>>> "humans become extinct"? a crystal ball?? > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> They're merely possibilities. Since they are possible, you cannot use > >>>>> the non-existence of time travellers from the future as proof that time > >>>>> travel is impossible. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sylvia. > >>>> > >>>> So, you actually believe that it is possible that a whole "civilisation" can be wiped out?? How??? Can you give an example? > >>> > >>> Nearby supernova, collision between black-holes somewhere in the > >>> galactic neighbourhood, large comet collision with Earth, worldwide > >>> nuclear war, biological weapons, runaway global warming, return to > >>> ice-ball Earth. The list of possibilities is endless. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Also, I don't see any signs of 'humans becoming extint', ...what signs do you see, Mrs Else? > >>>> > >>> > >>> Well, for the most part there wouldn't be any signs, because it wouldn't > >>> be a gradual process. > >>> > >>> Sylvia. > >> > >> Most girls don't even think like you do... > > > > > > I wrote "an example" not 'examples'... > > Really, you wanted just one example? > > > > > lets take one of your examples: "large comet collision with Earth". > > > > It has never in the past happen to wipe out a whole cilivization, maybe > > a few ants...it's speculation, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR SPECULATION. Your > > so-called > > theories are useless today. They are nothing more than science fiction > > ideas. > > > > Of course human civilisation has never been wiped out - if it had been, > then we'd not be here to discuss it (a variation of the anthropic > principle). That means that we have no idea of the probability of its > happening. Perhaps it's quite likely, and we've just been very lucky. Wrong. If you list all the "we've just been very lucky"...it will turn out it's not Luck. > > The Earth has been hit by large objects in the past, causing mass > extinctions. Oh oh, here comes the "What happen to the dinosaurs?" theories...i thought you had more intelligence thab that...i guess I over estimated you...you are a girl. >It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that such a thing > could happen again, and be severe enough to wipe out the human race. every single person, right? > > You've sought to characterise the absence of visitors from the future as > proof that time travel is impossible. "Proof" is a strong word. To prove > something you need to exclude not just likely counter-examples, but all > possible counter-examples. You're nowhere near being able to do that. > > Sylvia. Yes, "Proof" is a strong word...not inside the vocalubulary of the 'scientific community'. "Maybe" is the word they worship.