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| Started by | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| First post | 2018-09-07 09:57 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-09-28 20:20 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 617 — 34 participants |
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Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 09:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 12:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:40 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 15:38 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-07 21:40 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoire <euar@ewghwpq.gr> - 2018-09-08 11:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-08 14:26 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-08 12:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 20:06 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 22:11 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-08 20:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-08 14:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 23:47 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-08 14:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-08 21:59 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-08 18:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 10:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-09 11:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 12:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-09 13:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-09 14:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 07:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 13:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 13:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 21:11 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 14:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 06:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-09 20:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 14:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 03:40 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 07:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 16:06 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 09:43 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-10 16:45 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 09:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 17:50 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 17:46 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 13:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 10:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-11 14:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 06:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 09:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 11:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-12 18:09 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 14:40 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:04 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 17:31 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-19 12:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 13:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 21:58 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 15:20 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:36 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 16:22 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Jayson Durante <tug@wsedwsa.np> - 2018-09-20 17:40 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 07:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 14:35 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 15:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-13 08:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 08:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-13 09:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 10:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-13 09:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-13 12:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-13 13:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-15 11:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-15 12:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 20:43 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 14:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 08:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 16:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-16 23:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 09:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-15 12:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-15 22:52 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:03 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-15 22:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 10:10 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 14:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:42 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-15 23:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 08:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 16:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 07:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-15 23:43 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-16 17:08 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 10:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-15 19:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 06:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-11 19:19 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-11 15:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 16:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 07:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-12 07:50 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-12 06:18 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 08:44 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-12 09:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 09:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 09:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 10:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 10:18 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-12 18:06 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 14:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 15:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 14:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:28 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 08:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-15 23:54 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-12 10:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 10:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-12 18:42 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-12 23:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-11 23:41 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-11 13:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-11 20:10 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 14:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-11 22:28 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-11 16:25 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 22:43 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 10:15 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 12:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 09:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-11 13:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-11 13:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 06:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-17 13:48 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 20:05 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:15 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-08 22:43 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 06:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoires <ewab@ewgvpq.gn> - 2018-09-09 11:16 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-09 13:56 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoires <ewab@ewgvpq.gn> - 2018-09-09 12:01 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-09 14:19 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoires <ewab@ewgvpq.gn> - 2018-09-09 12:48 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-09 14:24 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-11 23:52 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-11 22:26 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-12 07:54 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-13 10:02 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-13 17:03 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-15 18:38 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 13:12 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-15 13:35 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 13:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:08 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 07:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 08:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:51 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 10:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-16 19:42 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 18:01 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 10:02 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 10:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 10:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 11:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 12:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-16 13:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-16 13:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 17:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 16:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 09:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:40 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-17 14:44 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 21:45 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 14:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 09:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-18 19:41 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:09 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 11:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-18 11:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-18 23:19 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 22:03 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:29 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-20 17:47 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 16:30 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 09:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 12:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 13:08 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 17:19 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-20 18:30 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 23:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 11:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 10:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:08 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:17 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 19:56 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 06:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 07:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-21 17:21 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 11:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:30 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 22:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-21 22:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 22:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-21 23:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-21 23:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-22 07:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 11:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-22 11:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirwv.on> - 2018-09-22 20:39 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 12:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 12:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 13:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 14:41 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:51 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-22 08:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-22 08:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-22 18:00 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-23 10:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-23 10:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 12:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-23 14:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 12:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-23 12:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-23 13:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-24 02:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 22:20 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-23 14:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 23:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 10:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-24 13:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 14:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-24 15:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 16:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 16:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 00:21 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 05:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 07:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 08:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 08:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-25 18:13 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 09:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 10:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 08:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-26 08:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 12:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 14:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-26 21:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:53 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-25 12:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-26 04:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 08:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-26 10:33 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 10:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-26 13:14 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-26 22:11 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-27 12:01 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 10:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 13:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:20 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:49 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-26 18:39 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-26 18:29 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:40 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:53 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 07:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:19 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 20:06 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 20:10 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 14:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 21:34 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-28 23:34 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 21:50 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-29 05:25 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-29 09:06 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 10:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 07:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 14:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 21:51 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 08:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 09:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 10:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-27 16:52 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 10:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 10:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-27 10:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 10:38 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-27 18:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 14:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 14:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 04:40 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 05:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-28 06:12 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 07:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:32 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 21:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-26 15:50 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-27 12:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 14:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-28 08:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 09:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 18:01 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-28 20:35 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-28 11:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 15:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-25 21:42 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 09:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 17:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:38 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 21:32 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 10:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 10:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 14:18 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-25 21:23 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 15:54 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-26 22:41 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 21:44 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 08:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 17:10 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 12:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 21:14 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 14:41 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 09:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 19:44 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 13:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 11:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 12:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 04:32 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 00:12 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 22:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 07:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 11:52 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:25 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-25 05:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 07:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-25 18:24 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:12 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 19:10 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 09:19 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 17:37 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 19:02 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 07:30 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-25 15:07 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:01 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 08:02 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:05 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 07:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-26 09:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 10:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-26 10:18 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 12:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-26 15:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 08:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-27 09:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 13:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-27 14:41 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 06:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 07:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 08:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 09:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 09:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 09:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:30 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-28 23:20 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-28 14:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 15:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 08:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 09:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 10:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 10:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 11:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 11:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 13:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 13:43 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 14:02 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-29 14:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 17:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 04:39 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-29 21:58 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-30 03:49 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 05:55 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 06:40 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 08:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 10:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-30 19:30 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 11:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 12:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 13:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 13:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-30 21:43 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 08:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-01 16:12 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 10:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 17:23 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-01 18:31 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 13:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 16:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-02 02:28 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-01 09:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 10:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-01 10:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 13:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 13:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 13:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 14:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 14:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce> - 2018-10-01 22:23 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 16:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-02 03:21 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 15:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 08:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-01 04:10 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-30 11:18 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 13:12 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 13:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 14:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 15:30 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-10-01 09:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 17:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 20:58 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 20:52 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-29 20:53 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 14:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-29 21:32 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-02 17:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 07:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 07:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-03 07:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 08:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-03 08:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-03 09:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 09:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 17:13 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 12:15 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 12:50 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 19:56 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 21:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 17:34 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 14:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 21:41 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 20:02 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-03 10:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 12:50 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-06 07:41 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-10-06 21:50 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 15:38 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-03 16:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 13:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 14:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:30 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce> - 2018-10-01 22:25 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-01 22:53 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-02 13:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-02 14:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 15:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Burton Callanan <uuu@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 15:26 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-02 14:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-03 12:51 -0400
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 11:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 19:08 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 12:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 20:09 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 17:38 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-03 17:58 -0400
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:50 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 14:17 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:13 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-27 17:13 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 13:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 03:42 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 21:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 00:17 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 07:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:14 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 18:02 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 18:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 03:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 10:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-17 10:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-17 10:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 18:35 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-17 15:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 23:28 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-18 07:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:30 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 18:02 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-16 22:09 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-16 22:15 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 13:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 17:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 10:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-17 10:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-17 10:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 15:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 22:16 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-17 15:38 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:10 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 16:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 17:27 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-17 08:22 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-16 23:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 14:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 22:13 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 17:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:43 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 09:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:51 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 10:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 13:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-18 22:42 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 21:55 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:17 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 19:36 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 11:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 12:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-18 22:38 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 14:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 22:12 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 08:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 12:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 14:55 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-21 09:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 20:03 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 20:44 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 13:44 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 23:23 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-21 09:29 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 06:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 07:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-21 10:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-19 15:05 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 07:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-19 07:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 09:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-17 16:35 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 21:40 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:18 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:15 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 22:09 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 15:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:12 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 17:26 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 21:47 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 03:15 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 17:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 02:40 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-15 23:34 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 10:09 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 06:19 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 15:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 11:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-18 12:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 01:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 10:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 23:03 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 07:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:22 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-29 09:12 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-28 10:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 20:20 +0000
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-09-13 08:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8466650a-ffaa-406c-95ea-3d4e2b7068a8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471586 |
On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 6:10:24 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > El miércoles, 12 de septiembre de 2018, 18:35:50 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > > > > > As others have pointed out, this is where you fail. The key in SR > > > > > is that this dilation is reciprocal. I say your clock is slow, > > > > > but you say mine is slow. The fact is we are both right. > > > > > > > > NONSENSE. If time dilation is reciprocal, how come all experiments show > > > > otherwise? How does reciprocal time dilation manifest itself in the > > > > Hafele-Keating experiments? They compared their clocks to the clock a > > > > the U.S. Naval Observatory, and there was NOTHING RECIPROCAL involved. > > > > > > Yes that experiment is asymmetrical, so the results are asymmetrical. > > > That is the point. > > > > You make no sense. What kind of experiment would be symmetrical? > > > > > > When a GPS clock runs slow due to its speed, how does your reciprocal > > > > time dilation manifest itself? > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > GPS is not reciprocal because it is not inertial! > > > The GPS dilation is due to accelerated motion, therefore not > > > covered in special relativity. > > > > You are just displaying your ignorance of GPS AND relativity. GPS satellites > > ARE inertial. There was acceleration to put them into orbit, but once in > > orbit there is no more acceleration and they are just as inertial as a lab > > on the ground. Special relativity covers GPS satellites and WOULD cause > > clocks on the satellites to run slow by 7 microseconds per day if the clocks > > were not constructed on earth to run faster on earth by 7 microseconds per > > day so in space they will run at the same rate as earth clocks. > > > > Stop right there Edward. You say a GPS satellite is Inertial, which is complete > nonsense. All of satellites orbiting the Earth are being accelerated and hence they are not inertial. An object describing a circle, or elipse (like the orbit > of a satellite) is being accelerated (a=dv/dt). Notice that the speed of each > satellite is CHANGING direction every second, which is what acceleration means!!!! So that means that there is no inertial frame exists on earth’s surface....right? That means that SR is not valid on earth.....right?
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-13 08:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6c8539fc-0c9e-4f9d-82f0-5a67e02e5179@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471667 |
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 6:10:24 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > > Stop right there Edward. You say a GPS satellite is Inertial, which is complete > > nonsense. All of satellites orbiting the Earth are being accelerated and hence they are not inertial. An object describing a circle, or elipse (like the orbit > > of a satellite) is being accelerated (a=dv/dt). Notice that the speed of each > > satellite is CHANGING direction every second, which is what acceleration means!!!! > > So that means that there is no inertial frame exists on earth’s surface....right? That means that SR is not valid on earth.....right? No what that says is Special Relativity is inadequate for this problem. You need to consider General Relativity. This might be similar to the difference between inoragnic chemistry and organic chemistry. Many key principles are the same, but the one does not invalidate the other. HTH, Ed
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-09-13 09:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3879b155-c301-4122-b554-ea5faa1ed338@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471674 |
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 11:37:01 AM UTC-4, Edward Prochak wrote: > On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 11:14:44 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 6:10:24 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > > > > Stop right there Edward. You say a GPS satellite is Inertial, which is complete > > > nonsense. All of satellites orbiting the Earth are being accelerated and hence they are not inertial. An object describing a circle, or elipse (like the orbit > > > of a satellite) is being accelerated (a=dv/dt). Notice that the speed of each > > > satellite is CHANGING direction every second, which is what acceleration means!!!! > > > > So that means that there is no inertial frame exists on earth’s surface....right? That means that SR is not valid on earth.....right? > > > No what that says is Special Relativity is inadequate > for this problem. You need to consider General Relativity. SR applies to inertial frames. Every point on earth’s surface is in a rotating motion and thus not an inertial frame. That means that SR is not a valid theory on earth. > > This might be similar to the difference between inoragnic > chemistry and organic chemistry. Many key principles are > the same, but the one does not invalidate the other. > > HTH, > Ed
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-13 10:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b1df6471-d1dc-4c70-b13d-7dd8f93f2bac@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471680 |
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 12:24:49 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote: > SR applies to inertial frames. Every point on earth’s surface is > in a rotating motion and thus not an inertial frame. That > means that SR is not a valid theory on earth. In physics, 'inertial frames' have an operational definition. There are frames on earth that satisfy its definition, hence there are inertial frames on earth.
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2018-09-13 09:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <dd2f59f4-166b-4488-9e9a-16e18f9f0531@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471667 |
El jueves, 13 de septiembre de 2018, 12:14:44 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 6:10:24 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > > El miércoles, 12 de septiembre de 2018, 18:35:50 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As others have pointed out, this is where you fail. The key in SR > > > > > > is that this dilation is reciprocal. I say your clock is slow, > > > > > > but you say mine is slow. The fact is we are both right. > > > > > > > > > > NONSENSE. If time dilation is reciprocal, how come all experiments show > > > > > otherwise? How does reciprocal time dilation manifest itself in the > > > > > Hafele-Keating experiments? They compared their clocks to the clock a > > > > > the U.S. Naval Observatory, and there was NOTHING RECIPROCAL involved. > > > > > > > > Yes that experiment is asymmetrical, so the results are asymmetrical. > > > > That is the point. > > > > > > You make no sense. What kind of experiment would be symmetrical? > > > > > > > > When a GPS clock runs slow due to its speed, how does your reciprocal > > > > > time dilation manifest itself? > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > GPS is not reciprocal because it is not inertial! > > > > The GPS dilation is due to accelerated motion, therefore not > > > > covered in special relativity. > > > > > > You are just displaying your ignorance of GPS AND relativity. GPS satellites > > > ARE inertial. There was acceleration to put them into orbit, but once in > > > orbit there is no more acceleration and they are just as inertial as a lab > > > on the ground. Special relativity covers GPS satellites and WOULD cause > > > clocks on the satellites to run slow by 7 microseconds per day if the clocks > > > were not constructed on earth to run faster on earth by 7 microseconds per > > > day so in space they will run at the same rate as earth clocks. > > > > > > > Stop right there Edward. You say a GPS satellite is Inertial, which is complete > > nonsense. All of satellites orbiting the Earth are being accelerated and hence they are not inertial. An object describing a circle, or elipse (like the orbit > > of a satellite) is being accelerated (a=dv/dt). Notice that the speed of each > > satellite is CHANGING direction every second, which is what acceleration means!!!! > > So that means that there is no inertial frame exists on earth’s surface....right? That means that SR is not valid on earth.....right? Wrong Seto, as always. In a laboratory environment (a few meters) gravitation is not relevant... Learn something to begin with!!
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-09-13 12:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7e6316aa-8cb5-4a25-8f94-03123e48390a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471681 |
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 12:49:35 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > El jueves, 13 de septiembre de 2018, 12:14:44 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 6:10:24 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > > > El miércoles, 12 de septiembre de 2018, 18:35:50 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As others have pointed out, this is where you fail. The key in SR > > > > > > > is that this dilation is reciprocal. I say your clock is slow, > > > > > > > but you say mine is slow. The fact is we are both right. > > > > > > > > > > > > NONSENSE. If time dilation is reciprocal, how come all experiments show > > > > > > otherwise? How does reciprocal time dilation manifest itself in the > > > > > > Hafele-Keating experiments? They compared their clocks to the clock a > > > > > > the U.S. Naval Observatory, and there was NOTHING RECIPROCAL involved. > > > > > > > > > > Yes that experiment is asymmetrical, so the results are asymmetrical. > > > > > That is the point. > > > > > > > > You make no sense. What kind of experiment would be symmetrical? > > > > > > > > > > When a GPS clock runs slow due to its speed, how does your reciprocal > > > > > > time dilation manifest itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > GPS is not reciprocal because it is not inertial! > > > > > The GPS dilation is due to accelerated motion, therefore not > > > > > covered in special relativity. > > > > > > > > You are just displaying your ignorance of GPS AND relativity. GPS satellites > > > > ARE inertial. There was acceleration to put them into orbit, but once in > > > > orbit there is no more acceleration and they are just as inertial as a lab > > > > on the ground. Special relativity covers GPS satellites and WOULD cause > > > > clocks on the satellites to run slow by 7 microseconds per day if the clocks > > > > were not constructed on earth to run faster on earth by 7 microseconds per > > > > day so in space they will run at the same rate as earth clocks. > > > > > > > > > > Stop right there Edward. You say a GPS satellite is Inertial, which is complete > > > nonsense. All of satellites orbiting the Earth are being accelerated and hence they are not inertial. An object describing a circle, or elipse (like the orbit > > > of a satellite) is being accelerated (a=dv/dt). Notice that the speed of each > > > satellite is CHANGING direction every second, which is what acceleration means!!!! > > > > So that means that there is no inertial frame exists on earth’s surface....right? That means that SR is not valid on earth.....right? > > Wrong Seto, as always. In a laboratory environment (a few meters) gravitation > is not relevant... > Learn something to begin with!! WE-ARE-NOT-TALKING-ABOUT-A-FEW-METERS-APART.
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2018-09-13 13:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <348eadb9-d0f2-42e4-ba92-524719968394@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471699 |
El jueves, 13 de septiembre de 2018, 16:55:44 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 12:49:35 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > > > So that means that there is no inertial frame exists on earth’s surface....right? That means that SR is not valid on earth.....right? > > > > Wrong Seto, as always. In a laboratory environment (a few meters) gravitation > > is not relevant... > > > Learn something to begin with!! > > WE-ARE-NOT-TALKING-ABOUT-A-FEW-METERS-APART. Of course, YOU DON'T know what we are talking about. Even at the Large Hadron Collider (with a circumference of 26.7 kilometres) GR effects are not relevant. Learn something to begin with!!!
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2018-09-15 11:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <201f0005-a264-444a-98cb-82eed5b30dd7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471702 |
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:37:44 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > El jueves, 13 de septiembre de 2018, 16:55:44 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > > On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 12:49:35 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > > > > > So that means that there is no inertial frame exists on earth’s surface....right? That means that SR is not valid on earth.....right? > > > > > > Wrong Seto, as always. In a laboratory environment (a few meters) gravitation > > > is not relevant... > > > > > Learn something to begin with!! > > > > WE-ARE-NOT-TALKING-ABOUT-A-FEW-METERS-APART. > > Of course, YOU DON'T know what we are talking about. > > Even at the Large Hadron Collider (with a circumference of 26.7 kilometres) > GR effects are not relevant. > > Learn something to begin with!!! You said that a satellite is not in an inertial frame so I said that the earth’s surface if in a rotating motion.....so that means that no location on earth surface is inertial so that means that SR is not valid on earth’s surface.
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-15 12:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <05bb561e-1f3d-469c-8958-0f503e906a72@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471945 |
On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 12:36:05 PM UTC-6, kenseto wrote: > > On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:37:44 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > > > > El jueves, 13 de septiembre de 2018, 16:55:44 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > > > > > > WE-ARE-NOT-TALKING-ABOUT-A-FEW-METERS-APART. > > > > Of course, YOU DON'T know what we are talking about. > > > > Even at the Large Hadron Collider (with a circumference of 26.7 > > kilometres) GR effects are not relevant. > > > > Learn something to begin with!!! > > You said that a satellite is not in an inertial frame so I said that the > earth’s surface if in a rotating motion.....so that means that no > location on earth surface is inertial so that means that SR is not valid > on earth’s surface. Technically true, but one must consider whether or not the deviation from inertial is significant. IOW, one must use one's BRAIN.
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| From | Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> |
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| Date | 2018-09-15 20:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pnjquf$19a2$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #471991 |
Gary Harnagel wrote: >> You said that a satellite is not in an inertial frame so I said that >> the earth’s surface if in a rotating motion.....so that means that no >> location on earth surface is inertial so that means that SR is not >> valid on earth’s surface. > > Technically true, but one must consider whether or not the deviation > from inertial is significant. IOW, one must use one's BRAIN. Why don't you. Technically brains are chemical, which automatically leads to believing is just a chemical molecular organic reaction. Very funny indeed. You thought it was something else.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-15 12:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1fc722ca-e921-4610-b8ab-80354d81377e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471681 |
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 11:49:35 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > El jueves, 13 de septiembre de 2018, 12:14:44 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 6:10:24 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > > > El miércoles, 12 de septiembre de 2018, 18:35:50 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As others have pointed out, this is where you fail. The key in SR > > > > > > > is that this dilation is reciprocal. I say your clock is slow, > > > > > > > but you say mine is slow. The fact is we are both right. > > > > > > > > > > > > NONSENSE. If time dilation is reciprocal, how come all experiments show > > > > > > otherwise? How does reciprocal time dilation manifest itself in the > > > > > > Hafele-Keating experiments? They compared their clocks to the clock a > > > > > > the U.S. Naval Observatory, and there was NOTHING RECIPROCAL involved. > > > > > > > > > > Yes that experiment is asymmetrical, so the results are asymmetrical. > > > > > That is the point. > > > > > > > > You make no sense. What kind of experiment would be symmetrical? > > > > > > > > > > When a GPS clock runs slow due to its speed, how does your reciprocal > > > > > > time dilation manifest itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > GPS is not reciprocal because it is not inertial! > > > > > The GPS dilation is due to accelerated motion, therefore not > > > > > covered in special relativity. > > > > > > > > You are just displaying your ignorance of GPS AND relativity. GPS satellites > > > > ARE inertial. There was acceleration to put them into orbit, but once in > > > > orbit there is no more acceleration and they are just as inertial as a lab > > > > on the ground. Special relativity covers GPS satellites and WOULD cause > > > > clocks on the satellites to run slow by 7 microseconds per day if the clocks > > > > were not constructed on earth to run faster on earth by 7 microseconds per > > > > day so in space they will run at the same rate as earth clocks. > > > > > > > > > > Stop right there Edward. You say a GPS satellite is Inertial, which is complete > > > nonsense. All of satellites orbiting the Earth are being accelerated and hence they are not inertial. An object describing a circle, or elipse (like the orbit > > > of a satellite) is being accelerated (a=dv/dt). Notice that the speed of each > > > satellite is CHANGING direction every second, which is what acceleration means!!!! > > > > So that means that there is no inertial frame exists on earth’s surface....right? That means that SR is not valid on earth.....right? > > Wrong Seto, as always. In a laboratory environment (a few meters) gravitation > is not relevant... > > Learn something to begin with!! In a laboratory environment, a few meters gravitational different IS relevant IF you are comparing test results for clocks that are a few meters apart in altitude. The high clock ticks faster. Ed
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2018-09-15 14:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9c77d729-1f23-4fbd-a752-8c6f2ce4f6bf@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471985 |
El sábado, 15 de septiembre de 2018, 16:54:13 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 11:49:35 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > > El jueves, 13 de septiembre de 2018, 12:14:44 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 6:10:24 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > > > > El miércoles, 12 de septiembre de 2018, 18:35:50 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote: > > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As others have pointed out, this is where you fail. The key in SR > > > > > > > > is that this dilation is reciprocal. I say your clock is slow, > > > > > > > > but you say mine is slow. The fact is we are both right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NONSENSE. If time dilation is reciprocal, how come all experiments show > > > > > > > otherwise? How does reciprocal time dilation manifest itself in the > > > > > > > Hafele-Keating experiments? They compared their clocks to the clock a > > > > > > > the U.S. Naval Observatory, and there was NOTHING RECIPROCAL involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes that experiment is asymmetrical, so the results are asymmetrical. > > > > > > That is the point. > > > > > > > > > > You make no sense. What kind of experiment would be symmetrical? > > > > > > > > > > > > When a GPS clock runs slow due to its speed, how does your reciprocal > > > > > > > time dilation manifest itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > GPS is not reciprocal because it is not inertial! > > > > > > The GPS dilation is due to accelerated motion, therefore not > > > > > > covered in special relativity. > > > > > > > > > > You are just displaying your ignorance of GPS AND relativity. GPS satellites > > > > > ARE inertial. There was acceleration to put them into orbit, but once in > > > > > orbit there is no more acceleration and they are just as inertial as a lab > > > > > on the ground. Special relativity covers GPS satellites and WOULD cause > > > > > clocks on the satellites to run slow by 7 microseconds per day if the clocks > > > > > were not constructed on earth to run faster on earth by 7 microseconds per > > > > > day so in space they will run at the same rate as earth clocks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop right there Edward. You say a GPS satellite is Inertial, which is complete > > > > nonsense. All of satellites orbiting the Earth are being accelerated and hence they are not inertial. An object describing a circle, or elipse (like the orbit > > > > of a satellite) is being accelerated (a=dv/dt). Notice that the speed of each > > > > satellite is CHANGING direction every second, which is what acceleration means!!!! > > > > > > So that means that there is no inertial frame exists on earth’s surface....right? That means that SR is not valid on earth.....right? > > > > Wrong Seto, as always. In a laboratory environment (a few meters) gravitation > > is not relevant... > > > > Learn something to begin with!! > > In a laboratory environment, a few meters gravitational different IS relevant > IF you are comparing test results for clocks that are a few meters apart > in altitude. The high clock ticks faster. > > Ed That is correct, but you have to consider the numbers. Clearly the effect on a GPS satellite clock (on the order of microseconds, or 10^-6) are much much larger order of magnitude than the effect of rising the clocks by 1 foot!!! (which is on the order of 10^-16)
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-16 08:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b9442ac4-99ae-4e39-8967-320a29f2d8d4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #472014 |
On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 4:36:25 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > El sábado, 15 de septiembre de 2018, 16:54:13 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > > On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 11:49:35 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > > > El jueves, 13 de septiembre de 2018, 12:14:44 (UTC-3), kenseto escribió: > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 6:10:24 PM UTC-4, Paparios wrote: > > > > > El miércoles, 12 de septiembre de 2018, 18:35:50 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As others have pointed out, this is where you fail. The key in SR > > > > > > > > > is that this dilation is reciprocal. I say your clock is slow, > > > > > > > > > but you say mine is slow. The fact is we are both right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NONSENSE. If time dilation is reciprocal, how come all experiments show > > > > > > > > otherwise? How does reciprocal time dilation manifest itself in the > > > > > > > > Hafele-Keating experiments? They compared their clocks to the clock a > > > > > > > > the U.S. Naval Observatory, and there was NOTHING RECIPROCAL involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes that experiment is asymmetrical, so the results are asymmetrical. > > > > > > > That is the point. > > > > > > > > > > > > You make no sense. What kind of experiment would be symmetrical? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When a GPS clock runs slow due to its speed, how does your reciprocal > > > > > > > > time dilation manifest itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GPS is not reciprocal because it is not inertial! > > > > > > > The GPS dilation is due to accelerated motion, therefore not > > > > > > > covered in special relativity. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are just displaying your ignorance of GPS AND relativity. GPS satellites > > > > > > ARE inertial. There was acceleration to put them into orbit, but once in > > > > > > orbit there is no more acceleration and they are just as inertial as a lab > > > > > > on the ground. Special relativity covers GPS satellites and WOULD cause > > > > > > clocks on the satellites to run slow by 7 microseconds per day if the clocks > > > > > > were not constructed on earth to run faster on earth by 7 microseconds per > > > > > > day so in space they will run at the same rate as earth clocks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stop right there Edward. You say a GPS satellite is Inertial, which is complete > > > > > nonsense. All of satellites orbiting the Earth are being accelerated and hence they are not inertial. An object describing a circle, or elipse (like the orbit > > > > > of a satellite) is being accelerated (a=dv/dt). Notice that the speed of each > > > > > satellite is CHANGING direction every second, which is what acceleration means!!!! > > > > > > > > So that means that there is no inertial frame exists on earth’s surface....right? That means that SR is not valid on earth.....right? > > > > > > Wrong Seto, as always. In a laboratory environment (a few meters) gravitation > > > is not relevant... > > > > > > Learn something to begin with!! > > > > In a laboratory environment, a few meters gravitational different IS relevant > > IF you are comparing test results for clocks that are a few meters apart > > in altitude. The high clock ticks faster. > > > > Ed > > That is correct, but you have to consider the numbers. Clearly the effect on a > GPS satellite clock (on the order of microseconds, or 10^-6) are much much > larger order of magnitude than the effect of rising the clocks by 1 foot!!! > (which is on the order of 10^-16) You make no sense, Paparios. Gravitational time dilation relates to altitude. So, naturally, the higher you are, the faster time will pass for you and the faster your clocks will tick. If you want to MEASURE time dilation in a lab, you cannot have a great difference in altitudes. The NIST and other experiments were performed to see how SMALL the difference in altitudes can be and still have time dilation measurable by atomic clocks. People are inventing new atomic clocks all the time to be able to measure Gravitational time dilation for smaller and smaller altitude differences. Ed
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2018-09-16 16:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <34658696-b95f-488a-8121-af3d17b7c8e7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #472077 |
El domingo, 16 de septiembre de 2018, 12:34:34 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 4:36:25 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > > El sábado, 15 de septiembre de 2018, 16:54:13 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > > > > That is correct, but you have to consider the numbers. Clearly the effect on a > > GPS satellite clock (on the order of microseconds, or 10^-6) are much much > > larger order of magnitude than the effect of rising the clocks by 1 foot!!! > > (which is on the order of 10^-16) > > You make no sense, Paparios. Gravitational time dilation relates to altitude. > So, naturally, the higher you are, the faster time will pass for you and the > faster your clocks will tick. > And what have that anything to do with the real values of the gravitational effects? The Italian experiment provided gravitational results which are on the order of 10^-16 seconds in a time window of 100,000 seconds. The GPS clocks experiences gravitational time dilation of 38x10^-6 seconds per sidereal day. This result is around 10^10 times larger than the Italian result. So from a practical point of view, the Italian result is negligible with respect to the GPS result, meaning that the GPS result has to be considered in the design of the GPS system. Or numerically, if you have a result which is 0,0000380000000005 seconds, that result can be approximated to 0,000038 seconds, without any real difference.
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2018-09-16 23:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <19f3003f-9229-41cd-93f4-157c74aa6d80@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #472130 |
On Monday, 17 September 2018 01:37:24 UTC+2, Paparios wrote: > The GPS clocks experiences gravitational time dilation of 38x10^-6 seconds per > sidereal day. A lie, as expected from a fanatic moron. GPS clocks indicate t'=t with the precision of an acceptable error.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-17 09:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <62b7e990-16a2-46c1-a96e-ae283e6a3f98@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #472130 |
On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 6:37:24 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > El domingo, 16 de septiembre de 2018, 12:34:34 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > > On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 4:36:25 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > > > El sábado, 15 de septiembre de 2018, 16:54:13 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > > > > > > > That is correct, but you have to consider the numbers. Clearly the effect on a > > > GPS satellite clock (on the order of microseconds, or 10^-6) are much much > > > larger order of magnitude than the effect of rising the clocks by 1 foot!!! > > > (which is on the order of 10^-16) > > > > You make no sense, Paparios. Gravitational time dilation relates to altitude. > > So, naturally, the higher you are, the faster time will pass for you and the > > faster your clocks will tick. > > > > And what have that anything to do with the real values of the gravitational > effects? > > The Italian experiment provided gravitational results which are on the order of 10^-16 seconds in a time window of 100,000 seconds. > > The GPS clocks experiences gravitational time dilation of 38x10^-6 seconds per > sidereal day. This result is around 10^10 times larger than the Italian result. > > So from a practical point of view, the Italian result is negligible with respect > to the GPS result, meaning that the GPS result has to be considered in the design > of the GPS system. > > Or numerically, if you have a result which is 0,0000380000000005 seconds, that > result can be approximated to 0,000038 seconds, without any real difference. From your point of view it may be "negligible," but the point of the experiment was to see if altitude could be determined by differences between clock tick rates. And the experiment was successful. You can measure the height of a mountain by determining the difference in clock tick rates for an atomic clock at the top of the mountain and another atomic clock at the bottom of the mountain. And anyone who believes that clocks tick at the same rate at all altitudes (like Tom Roberts) is shown to be wrong by experiment. Ed
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-15 12:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <577f0e7e-dd57-4501-a888-be9ee429422b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471586 |
On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 5:10:24 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote: > El miércoles, 12 de septiembre de 2018, 18:35:50 (UTC-3), Ed Lake escribió: > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 1:06:19 PM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 8:59:36 AM UTC-5, Edward Prochak wrote: > > > > > > > > As others have pointed out, this is where you fail. The key in SR > > > > > is that this dilation is reciprocal. I say your clock is slow, > > > > > but you say mine is slow. The fact is we are both right. > > > > > > > > NONSENSE. If time dilation is reciprocal, how come all experiments show > > > > otherwise? How does reciprocal time dilation manifest itself in the > > > > Hafele-Keating experiments? They compared their clocks to the clock a > > > > the U.S. Naval Observatory, and there was NOTHING RECIPROCAL involved. > > > > > > Yes that experiment is asymmetrical, so the results are asymmetrical. > > > That is the point. > > > > You make no sense. What kind of experiment would be symmetrical? > > > > > > When a GPS clock runs slow due to its speed, how does your reciprocal > > > > time dilation manifest itself? > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > GPS is not reciprocal because it is not inertial! > > > The GPS dilation is due to accelerated motion, therefore not > > > covered in special relativity. > > > > You are just displaying your ignorance of GPS AND relativity. GPS satellites > > ARE inertial. There was acceleration to put them into orbit, but once in > > orbit there is no more acceleration and they are just as inertial as a lab > > on the ground. Special relativity covers GPS satellites and WOULD cause > > clocks on the satellites to run slow by 7 microseconds per day if the clocks > > were not constructed on earth to run faster on earth by 7 microseconds per > > day so in space they will run at the same rate as earth clocks. > > > > Stop right there Edward. You say a GPS satellite is Inertial, which is complete > nonsense. All of satellites orbiting the Earth are being accelerated and hence they are not inertial. An object describing a circle, or elipse (like the orbit > of a satellite) is being accelerated (a=dv/dt). Notice that the speed of each > satellite is CHANGING direction every second, which is what acceleration means!!!! They may not be "inertial" according to your definition, but they are still affected by Time Dilation. "Special Relativity predicts that the on-board atomic clocks on the satellites should fall behind clocks on the ground by about 7 microseconds per day because of the slower ticking rate due to the time dilation effect of their relative motion. Source: http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html Clocks on earth are moving at 1000 mph. Clocks on the satellites are moving at 14,000 mph. That is why the clocks on the satellite would "fall behind" if they weren't BUILT to compensate for that difference. Ed
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-15 12:49 -0700 |
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| In reply to | #471970 |
Eduardo Del Lago don’t know SHIT A MONKEY KNOWS MORE PHYSICS!!!
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2018-09-15 22:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <93d4dec9-e7c4-ad1e-65a3-b81a28317998@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #471970 |
Ed Lake wrote:
> [GPS satellites] may not be "inertial" according to your definition,
Which is the *correct* definition.
> but the are still affected by Time Dilation.
Which is actually NOT written with capital letters.
> "Special Relativity predicts that the on-board atomic clocks on the satellites
> should fall behind clocks on the ground by about 7 microseconds per day because
> of the slower ticking rate due to the time dilation effect of their relative
> motion. Source: http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps..html
>
> Clocks on earth are moving at 1000 mph. Clocks on the satellites are moving at
> 14,000 mph. That is why the clocks on the satellite would "fall behind" if
> they weren't BUILT to compensate for that difference.
I wonder from where you get your figures and ideas.
[All of the following figures are specified in an Earth-Central Inertial
(ECI) frame in which Earth is rotating.]
Earth is rotating around its axis approximately in ∆T_E = 1 d = 24 h.
1 h = 3600 s. The mean equatorial radius of Earth is r_E ≈ 6378.1 km.
So the rotation speed of Earth is
v_rot ≈ 2π r_E∕∆T_E
= 2π × 6378.1 km∕(24 × 3600 s)
≈ 0.464 km/s
v_rot ≈ 1038 mi/h.
The GPS ground clocks on Earth are at rest with Earth, so that is also
approximately the speed of the GPS ground clocks.
The GPS satellites orbit at an altitude of h ≈ 20'000 km and complete one
orbit in approximately 12 h. So their mean equatorial orbital speed is
v_o ≈ 2π (r_E + h)∕(12 × 3600 s)
= 2π × ((6378.1 + 20'000) km)∕(12 × 3600 s)
≈ 3.837 km/s
v_o ≈ 8582 mi/h.
That is not even close to “14,000 mph”.
Also, you forgot to read, and to quote (or was the omission intentional to
support your unshakable belief that relativity is wrong?), the rest of the
article that you are citing and quoting (Pogge 2017), for which the correct
URI is
<http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html>
(*one* dot, NOT two)
So you "forgot to consider" *gravitational* time dilation (according to
*general* relativity) that make the satellite clocks accumulate more proper
time than the ground clocks in the same ground clock proper time interval.
So that in total the satellite clocks would always be *ahead* of the ground
clocks. Pogge describes this simplified:
| The combination of these two relativitic effects means that the clocks
| on-board each satellite should tick faster than identical clocks on the
| ground by about 38 microseconds per day (45-7=38)!
Because of that they “were built to compensate” for that, too.
“Built to compensate” then means that the clocks are usual cesium atomic
clocks, but they have a frequency synthesizer that can be programmed. It is
programmed so that more periods of the Cs-133 hyperfine transition radiation
than usual are considered to be the duration of 1 s. Pogge describes this
simplified:
| The engineers who designed the GPS system included these relativistic
| effects when they designed and deployed the system. For example, to
| counteract the General Relativistic effect once on orbit, the onboard
| clocks were designed to "tick" at a slower frequency than ground reference
| clocks, so that once they were in their proper orbit stations their
| clocks would appear to tick at about the correct rate as compared to the
| reference atomic clocks at the GPS ground stations.
[Actually, the correction was performed in-orbit *after* it had been
determined that the satellite clocks were ahead, which confirmed special and
general relativity. The adjustments of the same kind were then the default
setting for the clocks of all future non-geostationary GNSS satellites. See
the corresponding report of 1978 of preliminary results for the NAVSTAR GPS
NTS-2 Satellite that I have already cited and quoted from several times
before: <http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a058591.pdf> ]
Any remaining difference to the ground clocks (for example, not all
satellites are moving in the same direction relative to the ground) is
compensated by a correction value that is incorporated into the time signal
and updated from the ground regularly.
See also Ashby 2002, cited in Pogge 2017.
--
PointedEars
Twitter: @PointedEars2
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| From | Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> |
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| Date | 2018-09-15 21:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pnjs3i$19a2$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #472005 |
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Earth is rotating around its axis approximately in ∆T_E = 1 d = 24 h. 1 > h = 3600 s. The mean equatorial radius of Earth is r_E ≈ 6378.1 km. > So the rotation speed of Earth is > v_rot ≈ 2π r_E∕∆T_E > = 2π × 6378.1 km∕(24 × 3600 s) > ≈ 0.464 km/s > v_rot ≈ 1038 mi/h. That's the angular velocity omega ω = 2πf, not v_rot. Then standing at its surface, you are revolving around the center, not rotate. Rotate is when YOU would contain the center. But you don't. You learn this in kindergarten, something you also missed.
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