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| Started by | Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-06-29 10:00 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-07-03 14:29 -0700 |
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My web site Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 10:00 -0700
Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 19:28 +0200
Re: My web site Jim Petroff <ruuri@twjotr.eo> - 2017-06-29 19:44 +0000
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 15:54 -0500
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 16:10 -0500
Re: My web site Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-06-30 00:23 +0200
Re: My web site Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-30 01:24 +0200
Re: My web site Buck Millard <uiidbm@apsuw.dl> - 2017-07-02 11:02 +0000
Re: My web site Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-07-02 14:06 +0200
Re: My web site benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 22:34 -0400
Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 10:52 +0200
Re: My web site Jim Petroff <ruuri@twjotr.eo> - 2017-06-30 09:01 +0000
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-30 02:04 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 11:36 +0000
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-30 05:13 -0700
Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-30 14:38 -0400
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 14:22 -0500
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-01 14:17 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 00:28 +0000
Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-01 23:49 -0400
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 14:14 -0500
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-01 23:31 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 02:49 +0000
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-02 23:14 -0700
Re: My web site Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-03 04:09 -0700
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-03 04:44 -0700
Re: My web site Oveho Anými Trofyzikovu <zfeuur@ceuuwi.ku> - 2017-07-03 17:39 +0000
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 21:22 +0000
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-04 13:25 -0700
Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-04 18:02 -0400
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 00:04 +0000
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-04 23:48 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 00:09 +0000
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-05 23:19 -0700
Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-30 14:37 -0400
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 14:18 -0500
Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-30 18:26 -0400
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 14:41 -0500
Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-01 16:48 -0400
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 14:11 -0500
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-02 18:19 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 02:53 +0000
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-03 05:33 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 12:44 -0500
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-03 13:17 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 21:34 +0000
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-05 04:39 -0700
Re: My web site moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-05 13:12 +0000
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:48 -0500
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-05 14:16 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 00:24 +0000
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:12 -0500
Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-06 22:16 -0400
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-01 14:13 -0700
Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-30 15:28 -0400
Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 21:50 +0200
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 15:27 -0500
Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 23:02 +0200
Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-30 18:47 -0400
Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 23:00 +0200
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-30 08:10 -0700
Re: My web site moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-30 16:19 +0000
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 14:24 -0500
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-30 17:51 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 01:25 +0000
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-01 09:50 -0700
Re: My web site Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-07-01 20:39 +0200
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 14:44 -0500
Re: My web site moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-01 04:31 +0000
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-01 05:28 -0700
Re: My web site Gibutsi Fumihazu <uft@wwhm.cu> - 2017-07-01 12:47 +0000
Re: My web site moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-01 14:22 +0000
Re: My web site Gibutsi Fumihazu <uft@wwhm.cu> - 2017-07-01 14:50 +0000
Re: My web site moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-02 01:17 +0000
Re: My web site Buck Millard <uiidbm@apsuw.dl> - 2017-07-02 10:15 +0000
Re: My web site moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-02 15:28 +0000
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-02 09:47 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 14:15 -0500
Re: My web site moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-02 23:23 +0000
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-02 18:35 -0700
Re: My web site moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-03 03:07 +0000
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-02 18:27 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 02:53 +0000
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-03 05:36 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 12:47 -0500
Re: My web site kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-03 13:07 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 21:26 +0000
Re: My web site moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-04 01:13 +0000
Re: My web site Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-06-30 00:21 +0200
Re: My web site Gibutsi Fumihazu <uft@wwhm.cu> - 2017-07-01 08:58 +0000
Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 08:15 +0200
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-29 23:34 -0700
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-29 23:31 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 11:36 +0000
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-30 04:50 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 01:13 +0000
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-01 14:20 -0700
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 00:28 +0000
Re: My web site RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-30 16:29 -0700
Re: My web site "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-29 21:03 +0200
Re: My web site Lord Kronos Prime <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-29 13:01 -0700
Re: My web site Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 09:55 -0700
Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-30 14:51 -0400
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 14:10 -0500
Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-30 18:14 -0400
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 14:46 -0500
Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 09:42 +0200
Re: My web site Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 10:09 -0700
Re: My web site Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-06-30 20:37 +0200
Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 14:25 -0500
Re: My web site "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-06-30 14:21 -0700
Re: My web site Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-30 14:54 -0700
Re: My web site Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 10:30 -0700
Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 20:27 +0200
Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-02 13:04 -0700
Re: My web site Larry Harson <johnmcandrew66@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 14:29 -0700
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| From | Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-29 10:00 -0700 |
| Subject | My web site |
| Message-ID | <038d972a-9aac-4504-8e18-d64348bb83b9@googlegroups.com> |
Dear group At long last I have my own web site: https://sites.google.com/view/realscience/ Please see it. More is coming soon Omar
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-29 19:28 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <oj3d54$u4v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #423629 |
Dne 29/06/2017 v 19:00 Omar Shabsigh napsal(a): > Dear group > > At long last I have my own web site: https://sites.google.com/view/realscience/ > > Please see it. > > More is coming soon > > Omar > Oh no.. yet another electrical engineer, who decided to improve physics, complaining about conspiracy of journal reviewers. -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject.
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| From | Jim Petroff <ruuri@twjotr.eo> |
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| Date | 2017-06-29 19:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oj3lbd$1bn0$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423630 |
Poutnik wrote: > Oh no.. yet another electrical engineer, who decided to improve physics, > complaining about conspiracy of journal reviewers You are not even that, potty. Why that big mouth.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-29 15:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <oj3pf1$1imp$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423630 |
On 6/29/17 12:28 PM, Poutnik wrote: > Dne 29/06/2017 v 19:00 Omar Shabsigh napsal(a): >> Dear group >> >> At long last I have my own web site: https://sites.google.com/view/realscience/ >> >> Please see it. >> >> More is coming soon >> >> Omar >> > > Oh no.. yet another electrical engineer, > who decided to improve physics, > complaining about conspiracy of journal reviewers. > What is it about retired engineers that makes them think they are better equipped to do physics than physicists? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-29 16:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <oj3qbj$1khm$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423635 |
On 6/29/17 3:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 6/29/17 12:28 PM, Poutnik wrote: >> Dne 29/06/2017 v 19:00 Omar Shabsigh napsal(a): >>> Dear group >>> >>> At long last I have my own web site: >>> https://sites.google.com/view/realscience/ >>> >>> Please see it. >>> >>> More is coming soon >>> >>> Omar >>> >> >> Oh no.. yet another electrical engineer, >> who decided to improve physics, >> complaining about conspiracy of journal reviewers. >> > > What is it about retired engineers that makes them think they are better > equipped to do physics than physicists? > It seems there's a class of engineers who perhaps at one time aspired to be physicists but in their mind they "settled" for engineering. Now that the engineering career is over, they want to take another shot at doing physics. And they're astonished at not being recognized for their physics musings. "Why am I not published? Why are my ideas not embraced by the physics community? My mind is sound! I am capable! I've been an engineer for a long time, for Pete's sake, and so I can do anything!" And when this hubris results in nothing but the sound of crickets, they shiver with rage, turn red in the face, and cry "CENSORSHIP!" -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> |
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| Date | 2017-06-30 00:23 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <oj3ulp$1r5j$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423636 |
Op 29-jun-2017 om 23:10 schreef Odd Bodkin: > On 6/29/17 3:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 6/29/17 12:28 PM, Poutnik wrote: >>> Dne 29/06/2017 v 19:00 Omar Shabsigh napsal(a): >>>> Dear group >>>> >>>> At long last I have my own web site: >>>> https://sites.google.com/view/realscience/ >>>> >>>> Please see it. >>>> >>>> More is coming soon >>>> >>>> Omar >>>> >>> >>> Oh no.. yet another electrical engineer, who decided to improve >>> physics, complaining about conspiracy of journal reviewers. >>> >> >> What is it about retired engineers that makes them think they are >> better equipped to do physics than physicists? >> > > It seems there's a class of engineers who perhaps at one time aspired > to be physicists but in their mind they "settled" for engineering. > Now that the engineering career is over, they want to take another > shot at doing physics. And they're astonished at not being recognized > for their physics musings. "Why am I not published? Why are my ideas > not embraced by the physics community? My mind is sound! I am > capable! I've been an engineer for a long time, for Pete's sake, and > so I can do anything!" "AND THAT INCLUDES SQUARE ROOTS!" Dirk Vdm
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-06-30 01:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1673498.eGJsNajkDb@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #423636 |
Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 6/29/17 3:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 6/29/17 12:28 PM, Poutnik wrote: >>> Dne 29/06/2017 v 19:00 Omar Shabsigh napsal(a): >>>> Dear group >>>> >>>> At long last I have my own web site: >>>> https://sites.google.com/view/realscience/ >>> […] >> […] > > It seems there's a class of engineers who perhaps at one time aspired to > be physicists but in their mind they "settled" for engineering. Now that > the engineering career is over, they want to take another shot at doing > physics. And they're astonished at not being recognized for their > physics musings. "Why am I not published? Why are my ideas not embraced > by the physics community? My mind is sound! I am capable! I've been an > engineer for a long time, for Pete's sake, and so I can do anything!" > > And when this hubris results in nothing but the sound of crickets, they > shiver with rage, turn red in the face, and cry "CENSORSHIP!" And, unsurprisingly, the conspiracy theory is *strewn* with plain *lies*. For example: | TIME DILATION AND LENGTH SHORTENING ARE THEORETICAL APPARENT PHENOMENA | ONLY TO AN OUTSIDE OBSERVER, RELATIVELY MOVING WITH RESPECT TO US, THEY | ARE APPARENT TO HIM ONLY, THEY ARE NOT REAL. | | | b) […] As an example let us take the following sentence from his section | VII of his 1905 thesis: “In short, let us assume that the simple law of | the constancy of the velocity of light c (in vacuum) is justifiably | believed by the child at school.” In actual fact, Einstein wrote 5 revolutionary scientific *papers* in 1905 (therefore called /annus mirabilis/ – “wonderful year”). He later submitted the 1905 paper that substantiated the atomic hypothesis („Eine neue Bestimmung der Moleküldimensionen” – “A new determination of molecule-dimensions”; translation mine) as his dissertation (doctoral thesis) to the University of Zurich; *none* of those two which together with others later came to be called “special relativity” (“On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies” and “Does the Inertia of a Body Depend upon Its Energy- Content?”). In his dissertation, there is no “section VII”; he uses *arabic* numbering (as he did in all his 1905 papers at least): <https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/bitstream/handle/20.500.11850/139872/eth-30378-01.pdf> (Truly remarkable, only 22 pages for a dissertation; but, of course, the content was revolutionary enough at the time.) When one does the research that the author of the conspiracy theory obviously did not, one finds for “child at school”, using <http://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol2-trans/~searchResults?searchMode=advanced&context=-2&searchParam-SearchGroup=&lang=EN&searchText=%22child+at+school%22&sortField=Sort> only this match: | Volume 6: The Berlin Years: Writings, 1914-1917 (English translation | supplement) | ... 266 DOC. 42 SPECIAL AND GENERAL RELATIVITY SEVEN The Apparent | Incompatibility of the Law of Propagation of Light with the Principle of | Relativity There is hardly a simpler law in physics than that ac- cording | to which light is propagated in empty space. Every child at school knows, | or believes he knows... of the constancy of the velocity of light c (in | vacuum) is justifiably believed by the *child at school*. Who would | imagine that this simple law has... | Page 266 If one looks closer (by following the link), this is from *chapter* “SEVEN” (7) of the *book* “Relativity – The Special and the General Theory” by Albert Einstein (1917), Authorized Translation by Robert W. Lawson (Crown, 1961). And the book does not quote from an earlier work there, but is a from-scratch attempt to explain relativity to laymen. IOW, it is nowhere near a thesis and nowhere near 1905. Of course, the pamphlet’s crackpot^Wauthor does not provide *any* *proper* citation for *any* of his claims (e.g., he lists a later copy of the aforementioned book – from 1920 – in the (*very* short) references, but does not attribute the statement to that reference in any proper way, but to a work that he does not even list as reference). We can therefore reasonably assume that he has not read the cited 1905 paper or the chapter of that book at all. And he wants us to believe that *this* is how “Real Science” looks. Hilarious. A failure like this would never pass the scrutiny of a proper doctoral advisor. The author must have bought his doctoral degree somewhere, if that claim is even true. It is a waste of time to even think about it. -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Buck Millard <uiidbm@apsuw.dl> |
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| Date | 2017-07-02 11:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ojajsm$91v$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423642 |
W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC-4 użytkownik Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn napisał: >> And when this hubris results in nothing but the sound of crickets, they >> shiver with rage, turn red in the face, and cry "CENSORSHIP!" > > And, unsurprisingly, the conspiracy theory is *strewn* with plain > *lies*. For example: /conspiracy theory/ is a bourgeois capitalist terminology. Introduced for the simple reason, that /Words controls Ideas/ *AND* /Ideas controls People/. Now I suppose you'll chicken out in shame for good. *_ P L O N K_*
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-07-02 14:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <2894578.VqM8IeB0Os@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #423799 |
The ’nym-shifting troll trolled as "Buck Millard":
> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC-4 użytkownik Thomas
> 'PointedEars' Lahn napisał:
>>> And when this hubris results in nothing but the sound of crickets, they
>>> shiver with rage, turn red in the face, and cry "CENSORSHIP!"
>>
>> And, unsurprisingly, the conspiracy theory is *strewn* with plain
>> *lies*. For example:
>
> /conspiracy theory/ is a bourgeois capitalist terminology. Introduced for
> the simple reason, that /Words controls Ideas/ *AND* /Ideas controls
> People/. Now I suppose you'll chicken out in shame for good.
| History
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| The Oxford English Dictionary defines conspiracy theory as "the theory
| that an event or phenomenon occurs as a result of a conspiracy between
| interested parties; spec. a belief that some covert but influential agency
| (typically political in motivation and oppressive in intent) is
| responsible for an unexplained event", and cites a 1909 article in The
| American Historical Review as the earliest usage example.[16][17] As a
| neutral term, "conspiracy" is derived from Latin con- ("with, together")
| and spirare ("to breathe").
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| According to John Ayto's 20th century words, the phrase conspiracy theory
| was originally a neutral term and only acquired a pejorative connotation
| in the mid 1960s, implying that the advocate of the theory has a paranoid
| tendency to imagine the influence of some powerful, malicious, covert
| agency in events.[18] According to Florida State University professor
| Lance deHaven-Smith's 2013 book Conspiracy Theory in America,[19] the
| phrase conspiracy theory was deployed in the 1960s by the Central
| Intelligence Agency (CIA) to discredit John F. Kennedy assassination
| conspiracy theories. However, according to Robert Blaskiewicz, assistant
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| professor of critical thinking at Stockton University and skeptical
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| activist, such claims have existed "since at least 1997", but due to
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| having recently been promoted by deHaven-Smith, "conspiracy theorists have
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| begun citing this work as an authority". Blaskiewicz researched the use of
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| the term conspiracy theory and found that it has always been a disparaging
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| term, having been used to describe "extreme hypothesis" and implausible
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| speculation as long ago as 1870.[20][21]
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> *_ P L O N K_*
Hilarious.
*PLONK*
F'up2 trash can
--
PointedEars
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | benj <nobody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-29 22:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5955b89b$0$60312$c3e8da3$66d3cc2f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #423636 |
On 06/29/2017 05:10 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 6/29/17 3:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 6/29/17 12:28 PM, Poutnik wrote: >>> Dne 29/06/2017 v 19:00 Omar Shabsigh napsal(a): >>>> Dear group >>>> >>>> At long last I have my own web site: >>>> https://sites.google.com/view/realscience/ >>>> >>>> Please see it. >>>> >>>> More is coming soon >>>> >>>> Omar >>>> >>> >>> Oh no.. yet another electrical engineer, >>> who decided to improve physics, >>> complaining about conspiracy of journal reviewers. >>> >> >> What is it about retired engineers that makes them think they are >> better equipped to do physics than physicists? >> > > It seems there's a class of engineers who perhaps at one time aspired to > be physicists but in their mind they "settled" for engineering. Now that > the engineering career is over, they want to take another shot at doing > physics. And they're astonished at not being recognized for their > physics musings. "Why am I not published? Why are my ideas not embraced > by the physics community? My mind is sound! I am capable! I've been an > engineer for a long time, for Pete's sake, and so I can do anything!" > > And when this hubris results in nothing but the sound of crickets, they > shiver with rage, turn red in the face, and cry "CENSORSHIP!" > What Odd fails to mention in his fantasy is that the days when Physicists did physics and engineers did engineering ended with WWII. Today, while so-called physicists play with words like philosophers pondering fantasies of "cosmology" and chasing never-ending complications of sub atomic particles, real science understanding is left to the engineers who ponder the great science questions of the time which even find application in modern technology which the so-called theoretical physicists can hardly operate let alone understand, let alone invent, let alone discover the natural laws behind them. It's one sad day for physics when all the real science discoveries seem to appear in the IEEE transactions and not in Phys.Rev. Then take that down a notch as clowns like Odd learn all the theoretical nonsense of the philosopher musings by rote and become a preacher for the school of unthinking belief rather than logical consistency. That is where we stand today.
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-30 10:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <oj538g$ncg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #423650 |
Dne 30.6.2017 v 04:34 benj napsal(a): >> > What Odd fails to mention in his fantasy is that the days when > Physicists did physics and engineers did engineering ended with WWII. Such a statement is false, as I know many physicist doing physics and many engineers doing engineering. This does not mean a physicist cannot become engineer nor vice versa, doing both. But it is rather exception than rule and they are rarely very good in both domains. -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject.
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| From | Jim Petroff <ruuri@twjotr.eo> |
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| Date | 2017-06-30 09:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oj540e$1ipl$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423657 |
Poutnik wrote: > Dne 30.6.2017 v 04:34 benj napsal(a): > > >> What Odd fails to mention in his fantasy is that the days when >> Physicists did physics and engineers did engineering ended with WWII. > > Such a statement is false, as I know many physicist doing physics and > many engineers doing engineering. > This does not mean a physicist cannot become engineer nor vice versa, > doing both. But it is rather exception than rule and they are rarely > very good in both domains. No, but birth certificates were only issued to slaves before 18nth hundreds. Do you have a valid birth certificate? You are owned by someone.
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2017-06-30 02:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <dd172a00-7148-4565-a0e3-374293c54b07@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #423657 |
W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik napisał: > Dne 30.6.2017 v 04:34 benj napsal(a): > > >> > > What Odd fails to mention in his fantasy is that the days when > > Physicists did physics and engineers did engineering ended with WWII. > > Such a statement is false, as I know many physicist doing physics > and many engineers doing engineering. But, as the mystical mumble of physicists has become worthless, we have no choice but to do their job ourself.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-30 11:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oj5d3f$6ln$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423659 |
<mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote: > W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik napisał: >> Dne 30.6.2017 v 04:34 benj napsal(a): >> >>>> >>> What Odd fails to mention in his fantasy is that the days when >>> Physicists did physics and engineers did engineering ended with WWII. >> >> Such a statement is false, as I know many physicist doing physics >> and many engineers doing engineering. > > But, as the mystical mumble of physicists has become worthless, we > have no choice but to do their job ourself. > Yah another shining example of hubris. What gives? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2017-06-30 05:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f4cd9e66-1272-4e47-b516-62a86ce214c9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #423664 |
W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 13:36:18 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał: > <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote: > > W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik napisał: > >> Dne 30.6.2017 v 04:34 benj napsal(a): > >> > >>>> > >>> What Odd fails to mention in his fantasy is that the days when > >>> Physicists did physics and engineers did engineering ended with WWII. > >> > >> Such a statement is false, as I know many physicist doing physics > >> and many engineers doing engineering. > > > > But, as the mystical mumble of physicists has become worthless, we > > have no choice but to do their job ourself. > > > > Yah another shining example of hubris. What gives? Odd, poor idiot. In sane world a division of work prevails. Cooperation, you know. To make cooperation possible, output from science HAS TO BE comprehendable for a non-scientist. it's not any egalitarism, it's a basics of organization. Engineers won't study your Shit for decades to use it. They need this time to study different things. Is it simple enough for your tiny brain?
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-06-30 14:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <59569aba$0$51794$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #423669 |
On 6/30/2017 8:13 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: > W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 13:36:18 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał: >> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote: >>> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik napisał: >>>> Dne 30.6.2017 v 04:34 benj napsal(a): >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> What Odd fails to mention in his fantasy is that the days when >>>>> Physicists did physics and engineers did engineering ended with WWII. >>>> >>>> Such a statement is false, as I know many physicist doing physics >>>> and many engineers doing engineering. >>> >>> But, as the mystical mumble of physicists has become worthless, we >>> have no choice but to do their job ourself. >>> >> >> Yah another shining example of hubris. What gives? > > Odd, poor idiot. In sane world a division of work > prevails. Cooperation, you know. > To make cooperation possible, output from science HAS > TO BE comprehendable for a non-scientist. it's not > any egalitarism, it's a basics of organization. > Engineers won't study your Shit for decades to use > it. They need this time to study different things. > Is it simple enough for your tiny brain? Odd is a philosophy major and as such has to make wooden toys to live. Needless to say pretty much nothing logical or sane is understood by him. He thinks science is all about political debate.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-30 14:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <oj68dm$1pvu$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423692 |
On 6/30/17 1:38 PM, benj wrote: > On 6/30/2017 8:13 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: >> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 13:36:18 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin >> napisał: >>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote: >>>> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik >>>> napisał: >>>>> Dne 30.6.2017 v 04:34 benj napsal(a): >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> What Odd fails to mention in his fantasy is that the days when >>>>>> Physicists did physics and engineers did engineering ended with WWII. >>>>> >>>>> Such a statement is false, as I know many physicist doing physics >>>>> and many engineers doing engineering. >>>> >>>> But, as the mystical mumble of physicists has become worthless, we >>>> have no choice but to do their job ourself. >>>> >>> >>> Yah another shining example of hubris. What gives? >> >> Odd, poor idiot. In sane world a division of work >> prevails. Cooperation, you know. >> To make cooperation possible, output from science HAS >> TO BE comprehendable for a non-scientist. I disagree. It has to be comprehensible for those who are willing to put in the work to comprehend it. Physicists DO NOT OWE IT TO ANYONE to make their output understandable to non-scientists with no science training. If engineers do not want to use it, fine, don't use it. There's a welder who posts to this group who says that, as far as he's concerned, nobody needs to use Lorentz transformations and length-measuring devices more precise than a tape measure because HE doesn't need them. Keep in mind that what engineers might need to do their work does NOT correspond to what ANYBODY might need to do their work. That's just more engineer hubris to think that engineers speak for humanity for what humanity needs. Pfah! > it's not >> any egalitarism, it's a basics of organization. >> Engineers won't study your Shit for decades to use >> it. They need this time to study different things. >> Is it simple enough for your tiny brain? > > Odd is a philosophy major and as such has to make wooden toys to live. > > Needless to say pretty much nothing logical or sane is understood by > him. He thinks science is all about political debate. > > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2017-07-01 14:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <47e9b49a-09b3-43af-ad9d-60d0e38aba43@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #423698 |
W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 21:22:35 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał: > On 6/30/17 1:38 PM, benj wrote: > > On 6/30/2017 8:13 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: > >> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 13:36:18 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin > >> napisał: > >>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote: > >>>> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik > >>>> napisał: > >>>>> Dne 30.6.2017 v 04:34 benj napsal(a): > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> What Odd fails to mention in his fantasy is that the days when > >>>>>> Physicists did physics and engineers did engineering ended with WWII. > >>>>> > >>>>> Such a statement is false, as I know many physicist doing physics > >>>>> and many engineers doing engineering. > >>>> > >>>> But, as the mystical mumble of physicists has become worthless, we > >>>> have no choice but to do their job ourself. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Yah another shining example of hubris. What gives? > >> > >> Odd, poor idiot. In sane world a division of work > >> prevails. Cooperation, you know. > >> To make cooperation possible, output from science HAS > >> TO BE comprehendable for a non-scientist. > > I disagree. Because you're just a poor halfbrain toymaker convinced to be elite. It has to be comprehensible for those who are willing to put > in the work to comprehend it. Physicists DO NOT OWE IT TO ANYONE to make > their output understandable to non-scientists with no science training. Yes, poor idiot, they do. They are PAID for it. > > If engineers do not want to use it, fine, don't use it. Of course we won't. > That's just more engineer hubris to think that engineers speak for > humanity for what humanity needs. Pfah! > Only toymakers can speak for humanity.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-02 00:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oj9eo7$taq$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423778 |
<mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote: > W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 21:22:35 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał: >> On 6/30/17 1:38 PM, benj wrote: >>> On 6/30/2017 8:13 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: >>>> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 13:36:18 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin >>>> napisał: >>>>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote: >>>>>> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik >>>>>> napisał: >>>>>>> Dne 30.6.2017 v 04:34 benj napsal(a): >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What Odd fails to mention in his fantasy is that the days when >>>>>>>> Physicists did physics and engineers did engineering ended with WWII. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Such a statement is false, as I know many physicist doing physics >>>>>>> and many engineers doing engineering. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, as the mystical mumble of physicists has become worthless, we >>>>>> have no choice but to do their job ourself. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yah another shining example of hubris. What gives? >>>> >>>> Odd, poor idiot. In sane world a division of work >>>> prevails. Cooperation, you know. >>>> To make cooperation possible, output from science HAS >>>> TO BE comprehendable for a non-scientist. >> >> I disagree. > > Because you're just a poor halfbrain toymaker > convinced to be elite. If there's any claim of elitism anywhere here, it's because YOU mention it. I think you've got a complex about it. > > > It has to be comprehensible for those who are willing to put >> in the work to comprehend it. Physicists DO NOT OWE IT TO ANYONE to make >> their output understandable to non-scientists with no science training. > > Yes, poor idiot, they do. They are PAID for it. > No they are not. They are paid to do science and to communicate their findings to other scientists. I don't know where you ever got the idea that physicists are paid to explain physics to non-physicists. > >> >> If engineers do not want to use it, fine, don't use it. > > Of course we won't. > >> That's just more engineer hubris to think that engineers speak for >> humanity for what humanity needs. Pfah! >> > > Only toymakers can speak for humanity. > Physicists speak for physics. > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | benj <benj@nobody.net> |
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| Date | 2017-07-01 23:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <59586d32$0$19094$b1db1813$19ace300@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #423780 |
On 7/1/2017 8:28 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote: > <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote: >> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 21:22:35 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał: >>> On 6/30/17 1:38 PM, benj wrote: >>>> On 6/30/2017 8:13 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: >>>>> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 13:36:18 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin >>>>> napisał: >>>>>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote: >>>>>>> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik >>>>>>> napisał: >>>>>>>> Dne 30.6.2017 v 04:34 benj napsal(a): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What Odd fails to mention in his fantasy is that the days when >>>>>>>>> Physicists did physics and engineers did engineering ended with WWII. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Such a statement is false, as I know many physicist doing physics >>>>>>>> and many engineers doing engineering. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But, as the mystical mumble of physicists has become worthless, we >>>>>>> have no choice but to do their job ourself. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yah another shining example of hubris. What gives? >>>>> >>>>> Odd, poor idiot. In sane world a division of work >>>>> prevails. Cooperation, you know. >>>>> To make cooperation possible, output from science HAS >>>>> TO BE comprehendable for a non-scientist. >>> >>> I disagree. >> >> Because you're just a poor halfbrain toymaker >> convinced to be elite. > > If there's any claim of elitism anywhere here, it's because YOU mention it. > I think you've got a complex about it. > >> >> >> It has to be comprehensible for those who are willing to put >>> in the work to comprehend it. Physicists DO NOT OWE IT TO ANYONE to make >>> their output understandable to non-scientists with no science training. >> >> Yes, poor idiot, they do. They are PAID for it. >> > > No they are not. They are paid to do science and to communicate their > findings to other scientists. I don't know where you ever got the idea that > physicists are paid to explain physics to non-physicists. Boinker the only thing you obviously are good for is making wooden toys. Your thinking powers are somewhere down below Bert's. In case you didn't notice most of the physicists you worship (the fantasy theoretical ones) do not hold real jobs but are paid to work in universities where their actual jobs are they are paid to explain physics to non-scientists (freshmen). Real scientists know how to observe and think, you are an amateur who makes wooden toys. >>> If engineers do not want to use it, fine, don't use it. >> >> Of course we won't. >> >>> That's just more engineer hubris to think that engineers speak for >>> humanity for what humanity needs. Pfah! >>> >> >> Only toymakers can speak for humanity. >> > > Physicists speak for physics. > >> > > >
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