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Re: My web site

From	Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: My web site
Date	2017-06-30 01:24 +0200
Organization	PointedEars Software (PES)
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Odd Bodkin wrote:

> On 6/29/17 3:54 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 6/29/17 12:28 PM, Poutnik wrote:
>>> Dne 29/06/2017 v 19:00 Omar Shabsigh napsal(a):
>>>> Dear group
>>>>
>>>> At long last I have my own web site:
>>>> https://sites.google.com/view/realscience/
>>> […]
>> […]
> 
> It seems there's a class of engineers who perhaps at one time aspired to
> be physicists but in their mind they "settled" for engineering. Now that
> the engineering career is over, they want to take another shot at doing
> physics. And they're astonished at not being recognized for their
> physics musings. "Why am I not published? Why are my ideas not embraced
> by the physics community? My mind is sound! I am capable! I've been an
> engineer for a long time, for Pete's sake, and so I can do anything!"
> 
> And when this hubris results in nothing but the sound of crickets, they
> shiver with rage, turn red in the face, and cry "CENSORSHIP!"

And, unsurprisingly, the conspiracy theory is *strewn* with plain *lies*.
For example:

| TIME DILATION AND LENGTH SHORTENING ARE THEORETICAL APPARENT PHENOMENA 
| ONLY TO AN OUTSIDE OBSERVER, RELATIVELY MOVING WITH RESPECT TO US, THEY 
| ARE APPARENT TO HIM ONLY, THEY ARE NOT REAL.
| 
| 
| b) […] As an example let us take the following sentence from his section 
| VII of his 1905 thesis: “In short, let us assume that the simple law of 
| the constancy of the velocity of light c (in vacuum) is justifiably 
| believed by the child at school.”

In actual fact, Einstein wrote 5 revolutionary scientific *papers* in 1905 
(therefore called /annus mirabilis/ – “wonderful year”).

He later submitted the 1905 paper that substantiated the atomic hypothesis 
(„Eine neue Bestimmung der Moleküldimensionen” – “A new determination of 
molecule-dimensions”; translation mine) as his dissertation (doctoral 
thesis) to the University of Zurich; *none* of those two which together with 
others later came to be called “special relativity” (“On the Electrodynamics 
of Moving Bodies” and “Does the Inertia of a Body Depend upon Its Energy-
Content?”).  In his dissertation, there is no “section VII”; he uses 
*arabic* numbering (as he did in all his 1905 papers at least):

<https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/bitstream/handle/20.500.11850/139872/eth-30378-01.pdf>

(Truly remarkable, only 22 pages for a dissertation; but, of course, the 
content was revolutionary enough at the time.)

When one does the research that the author of the conspiracy theory 
obviously did not, one finds for “child at school”, using

<http://einsteinpapers.press.princeton.edu/vol2-trans/~searchResults?searchMode=advanced&context=-2&searchParam-SearchGroup=&lang=EN&searchText=%22child+at+school%22&sortField=Sort>

only this match:

| Volume 6: The Berlin Years: Writings, 1914-1917 (English translation 
| supplement)
| ... 266 DOC. 42 SPECIAL AND GENERAL RELATIVITY SEVEN The Apparent 
| Incompatibility of the Law of Propagation of Light with the Principle of 
| Relativity There is hardly a simpler law in physics than that ac- cording 
| to which light is propagated in empty space. Every child at school knows, 
| or believes he knows... of the constancy of the velocity of light c (in 
| vacuum) is justifiably believed by the *child at school*. Who would 
| imagine that this simple law has...
| Page 266

If one looks closer (by following the link), this is from *chapter* “SEVEN” 
(7) of the *book* “Relativity – The Special and the General Theory” by 
Albert Einstein (1917), Authorized Translation by Robert W. Lawson (Crown, 
1961).  And the book does not quote from an earlier work there, but is a 
from-scratch attempt to explain relativity to laymen.

IOW, it is nowhere near a thesis and nowhere near 1905.

Of course, the pamphlet’s crackpot^Wauthor does not provide *any* *proper* 
citation for *any* of his claims (e.g., he lists a later copy of the 
aforementioned book – from 1920 – in the (*very* short) references, but does 
not attribute the statement to that reference in any proper way, but to a 
work that he does not even list as reference).

We can therefore reasonably assume that he has not read the cited 1905 paper 
or the chapter of that book at all.  And he wants us to believe that *this* 
is how “Real Science” looks.  Hilarious.

A failure like this would never pass the scrutiny of a proper doctoral 
advisor.  The author must have bought his doctoral degree somewhere,
if that claim is even true.

It is a waste of time to even think about it.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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My web site Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 10:00 -0700
  Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 19:28 +0200
    Re: My web site Jim Petroff <ruuri@twjotr.eo> - 2017-06-29 19:44 +0000
    Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 15:54 -0500
      Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 16:10 -0500
        Re: My web site Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-06-30 00:23 +0200
        Re: My web site Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-06-30 01:24 +0200
          Re: My web site Buck Millard <uiidbm@apsuw.dl> - 2017-07-02 11:02 +0000
            Re: My web site Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-07-02 14:06 +0200
        Re: My web site benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-06-29 22:34 -0400
          Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 10:52 +0200
            Re: My web site Jim Petroff <ruuri@twjotr.eo> - 2017-06-30 09:01 +0000
            Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-30 02:04 -0700
              Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 11:36 +0000
                Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-30 05:13 -0700
                Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-30 14:38 -0400
                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 14:22 -0500
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 00:28 +0000
                Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-01 23:49 -0400
                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 14:14 -0500
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 02:49 +0000
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 00:04 +0000
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 00:09 +0000
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                Re: My web site benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-30 14:37 -0400
                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 14:18 -0500
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 14:41 -0500
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 14:11 -0500
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 02:53 +0000
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 12:44 -0500
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 21:34 +0000
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-05 12:48 -0500
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 00:24 +0000
                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-06 09:12 -0500
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 15:27 -0500
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 02:53 +0000
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 12:47 -0500
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                Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-03 21:26 +0000
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        Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 11:36 +0000
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            Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 01:13 +0000
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    Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 14:10 -0500
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        Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 14:46 -0500
    Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-07-01 09:42 +0200
  Re: My web site Omar Shabsigh <omar.shabsigh@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 10:09 -0700
    Re: My web site Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-06-30 20:37 +0200
    Re: My web site Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-30 14:25 -0500
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    Re: My web site Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-07-02 20:27 +0200
      Re: My web site mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-02 13:04 -0700
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