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Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-20 22:22 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-20 23:03 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2016-12-21 14:05 -0500
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Darleen Sloop <aolenD@nedfdealln.org> - 2016-12-21 20:32 +0000
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-12-21 22:25 +0000
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 18:03 -0500
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 15:37 -0700
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-21 18:33 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 19:06 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-21 20:37 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 14:43 -0700
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-21 20:41 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-12-21 22:55 -0700
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2016-12-21 22:01 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-12-21 23:17 -0700
Re: We're robots, programmed by Nature to play "The Stay Alive Game". Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-24 08:17 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:06 -0700
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-12-22 09:05 -0700
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-22 09:36 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-21 18:29 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-22 23:08 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-23 09:37 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-23 20:35 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-23 20:59 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-12-24 10:28 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-12-21 12:44 -0800
Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> - 2016-12-24 07:57 -0500
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-20 22:22 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This |
| Message-ID | <585A1FA8.4599@ix.netcom.com> |
The Starmaker wrote: > > if aliens exist on other planets... > they would all look like us. > > there is no logical reason for them to look any different from us.. > > no logical reason at all! i have never read a 'science fiction' book so i hadn't had my mind ...poisoned by science fiction fantasty. there is no logical reason for them to look any different from us.. no logical reason at all! no scientific reason at all... i mean, Real scientific reason at all....not that fake science yous pass along...everyday.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-20 23:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <585A2925.62CA@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #402556 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > if aliens exist on other planets... > > they would all look like us. > > > > there is no logical reason for them to look any different from us.. > > > > no logical reason at all! > > i have never read a 'science fiction' book so i hadn't had my mind ...poisoned by science fiction fantasty. > > there is no logical reason for them to look any different from us.. > no logical reason at all! > > no scientific reason at all... > > i mean, Real scientific reason at all....not that fake science yous pass along...everyday. and the Subject heading is a absurd title... Why We Imagine Aliens...period! There are no Aliens. there is no logical reason for them to look any different from us.. no logical reason at all! no scientific reason at all... i mean, Real scientific reason at all....not that fake science yous pass along...everyday. Are We Alone? Fuckin Yeah! next question.
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| From | SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 14:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <3dkl5ctlco4nj0k3011c4fpoksdgj38f01@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #402560 |
Have you looked at the universe lately ? Incredibly big or infinite actually. The supposition that Earth has the only life or even the only intelligent life, is very clearly proposterous. Get real !
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| From | Darleen Sloop <aolenD@nedfdealln.org> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 20:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o3eosp$123s$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #402618 |
SteveGG wrote: > Have you looked at the universe lately ? Incredibly big or infinite > actually. The supposition that Earth has the only life or even the only > intelligent life, is very clearly proposterous. Get real ! Of course not. Similar the relativistic thinking. That the Universe HAS to be finite. By other words, they are implying a domain bobble Universe, constrained by a Rigid, Impenetrable wall. Because if it is not, then that Universe will never achieve finitibility. They fail applying the correct boundary conditions to that manifold. Math modelling and Scientific Computation are not part of their curriculum. They can just detect arrived "gravitational waves" from other planets. Give me a break!
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| From | djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 22:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <oIK3MF.1G7@kithrup.com> |
| In reply to | #402618 |
In article <3dkl5ctlco4nj0k3011c4fpoksdgj38f01@4ax.com>, SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote: >Have you looked at the universe lately ? > >Incredibly big or infinite actually. > >The supposition that Earth has the only life or even the only >intelligent life, is very clearly proposterous. > >Get real ! The state of affairs at this time is that *we don't know*. It would be cool if there were life elsewhere, but we haven't found any yet. -- Dorothy J. Heydt Vallejo, California djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 18:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.32c4d43a412dabec98a830@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #402646 |
In article <oIK3MF.1G7@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com says... > > In article <3dkl5ctlco4nj0k3011c4fpoksdgj38f01@4ax.com>, > SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote: > >Have you looked at the universe lately ? > > > >Incredibly big or infinite actually. > > > >The supposition that Earth has the only life or even the only > >intelligent life, is very clearly proposterous. > > > >Get real ! > > The state of affairs at this time is that *we don't know*. It > would be cool if there were life elsewhere, but we haven't found > any yet. That the universe is large does not imply that there is life elsewhere, let alone intelligent life. If the digits of Pi contain all possible sequences of numbers (remember, they go on infinitely and don't follow any discernible pattern simpler than that used to calculate Pi) then there should be some sequence that, transcribed to ASCII, produces the complete works of Shakespeare. How deep into Pi do you have to go to find that sequence if it is there at all?
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 15:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6E59F0407A98taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #402651 |
"J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.32c4d43a412dabec98a830@news.eternal-september.org:
> In article <oIK3MF.1G7@kithrup.com>,
> djheydt@kithrup.com says...
>>
>> In article <3dkl5ctlco4nj0k3011c4fpoksdgj38f01@4ax.com>,
>> SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >Have you looked at the universe lately ?
>> >
>> >Incredibly big or infinite actually.
>> >
>> >The supposition that Earth has the only life or even the only
>> >intelligent life, is very clearly proposterous.
>> >
>> >Get real !
>>
>> The state of affairs at this time is that *we don't know*. It
>> would be cool if there were life elsewhere, but we haven't found
>> any yet.
>
> That the universe is large does not imply that
> there is life elsewhere, let alone intelligent
> life.
>
> If the digits of Pi contain all possible
> sequences of numbers (remember, they go on
> infinitely and don't follow any discernible
> pattern simpler than that used to calculate Pi)
> then there should be some sequence that,
> transcribed to ASCII, produces the complete
> works of Shakespeare. How deep into Pi do you
> have to go to find that sequence if it is there
> at all?
>
Unlike pi, the universe is not, in fact, infinite.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 18:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <585B3B64.41DB@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #402646 |
Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > In article <3dkl5ctlco4nj0k3011c4fpoksdgj38f01@4ax.com>, > SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote: > >Have you looked at the universe lately ? > > > >Incredibly big or infinite actually. > > > >The supposition that Earth has the only life or even the only > >intelligent life, is very clearly proposterous. > > > >Get real ! > > The state of affairs at this time is that *we don't know*. Speak for yourself, Honey...I know...yous don't know. > It > would be cool if there were life elsewhere, but we haven't found > any yet. Maybe somewhere over the rainbow... > > -- > Dorothy J. Heydt > Vallejo, California > djheydt at gmail dot com
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 19:06 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o3fg07$9ot$2@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #402646 |
On 2016-12-21 2:25 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > In article <3dkl5ctlco4nj0k3011c4fpoksdgj38f01@4ax.com>, > SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote: >> Have you looked at the universe lately ? >> >> Incredibly big or infinite actually. >> >> The supposition that Earth has the only life or even the only >> intelligent life, is very clearly proposterous. >> >> Get real ! > > The state of affairs at this time is that *we don't know*. It > would be cool if there were life elsewhere, but we haven't found > any yet. > No. We don't KNOW... ...but given the 70 billion trillion stars out there, it's a pretty good bet.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 20:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <585B5891.6DFD@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #402668 |
Alan Baker wrote: > > On 2016-12-21 2:25 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote: > > In article <3dkl5ctlco4nj0k3011c4fpoksdgj38f01@4ax.com>, > > SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote: > >> Have you looked at the universe lately ? > >> > >> Incredibly big or infinite actually. > >> > >> The supposition that Earth has the only life or even the only > >> intelligent life, is very clearly proposterous. > >> > >> Get real ! > > > > The state of affairs at this time is that *we don't know*. It > > would be cool if there were life elsewhere, but we haven't found > > any yet. > > > > No. We don't KNOW... > > ...but given the 70 billion trillion stars out there, it's a pretty good > bet. God does not bet or play dice...
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 14:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6E595DB2FC5Btaustingmail@69.16.179.42> |
| In reply to | #402618 |
SteveGG <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote in
news:3dkl5ctlco4nj0k3011c4fpoksdgj38f01@4ax.com:
> Have you looked at the universe lately ?
>
> Incredibly big or infinite actually.
>
> The supposition that Earth has the only life or even the only
> intelligent life, is very clearly proposterous.
Indeed. It is exactly as preposterous (which I can actually spell,
troll-boy) as teh supposition that Earth does _not_ have the only
life, since we have zero data on the subject beyond our own solar
system, in which Earth is the only planet suitable for life as we
know it.
>
> Get real !
>
Or not.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 20:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <585B5972.7745@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #402647 |
Alan Baker wrote: > > On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote: > > In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>, > > Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > > > >> > >> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of life > >> anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data that there are > >> something the order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe. > >> > >> Combining that data with the things we have learned about the formation > >> of stars and planets, and we are left with the observation that > >> somewhere out there among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) > >> there are almost certainly many others that also support life and > >> indeed, intelligent life. > > > > We do not know either how nor why life came into being on Earth, > > so we know nothing of its probability of having developed elsewhere. > > For all we know, Earth may be unique in this respect. > > > > It may be... > > ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from... > > ...is it likely? > > :-) No, not likely...IMPOSSIBLE!
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| From | Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 22:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <VIRGIL-373F4F.22555421122016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #402676 |
In article <585B5972.7745@ix.netcom.com>, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Alan Baker wrote: > > > > On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote: > > > In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>, > > > Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of life > > >> anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data that there are > > >> something the order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe. > > >> > > >> Combining that data with the things we have learned about the formation > > >> of stars and planets, and we are left with the observation that > > >> somewhere out there among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) > > >> there are almost certainly many others that also support life and > > >> indeed, intelligent life. > > > > > > We do not know either how nor why life came into being on Earth, > > > so we know nothing of its probability of having developed elsewhere. > > > For all we know, Earth may be unique in this respect. > > > > > > > It may be... > > > > ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from... > > > > ...is it likely? > > > > :-) > > No, not likely...IMPOSSIBLE! For all we know, the necessary format for life starting and surviving may require a special type solar system, or even a special type of galaxy, so speculating in such ignorance on the odds of it happening elsewhere or elsewhen is purely a mugs game. of solar system -- Virgil "Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens." (Schiller)
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| From | Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 22:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <o3fq80$s2o$1@news.datemas.de> |
| In reply to | #402681 |
On 2016-12-21 9:55 PM, Virgil wrote: > In article <585B5972.7745@ix.netcom.com>, > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> Alan Baker wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote: >>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>, >>>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of life >>>>> anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data that there are >>>>> something the order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe. >>>>> >>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned about the formation >>>>> of stars and planets, and we are left with the observation that >>>>> somewhere out there among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) >>>>> there are almost certainly many others that also support life and >>>>> indeed, intelligent life. >>>> >>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on Earth, >>>> so we know nothing of its probability of having developed elsewhere. >>>> For all we know, Earth may be unique in this respect. >>>> >>> >>> It may be... >>> >>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from... >>> >>> ...is it likely? >>> >>> :-) >> >> No, not likely...IMPOSSIBLE! > > For all we know, the necessary format for life starting > and surviving may require a special type solar system, > or even a special type of galaxy, so speculating in such > ignorance on the odds of it happening elsewhere > or elsewhen is purely a mugs game. > of solar system > What we KNOW is that the universe runs by certain physical laws and those laws give rise to the same sorts of galaxies and stars throughout it.
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| From | Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 23:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <VIRGIL-3A078E.23172621122016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #402682 |
In article <o3fq80$s2o$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > On 2016-12-21 9:55 PM, Virgil wrote: > > In article <585B5972.7745@ix.netcom.com>, > > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > >> Alan Baker wrote: > >>> > >>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote: > >>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>, > >>>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of life > >>>>> anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data that there are > >>>>> something the order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe. > >>>>> > >>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned about the formation > >>>>> of stars and planets, and we are left with the observation that > >>>>> somewhere out there among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) > >>>>> there are almost certainly many others that also support life and > >>>>> indeed, intelligent life. > >>>> > >>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on Earth, > >>>> so we know nothing of its probability of having developed elsewhere. > >>>> For all we know, Earth may be unique in this respect. > >>>> > >>> > >>> It may be... > >>> > >>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from... > >>> > >>> ...is it likely? > >>> > >>> :-) > >> > >> No, not likely...IMPOSSIBLE! > > > > For all we know, the necessary format for life starting > > and surviving may require a special type solar system, > > or even a special type of galaxy, so speculating in such > > ignorance on the odds of it happening elsewhere > > or elsewhen is purely a mugs game. > > of solar system > > > > What we KNOW is that the universe runs by certain physical laws and > those laws give rise to the same sorts of galaxies and stars throughout it. Until we know a good deal more about how life came into existence, or could have come into existence, than we know now, any such speculaton re its having come into existence elsewhere is purely a mugs game. -- Virgil "Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens." (Schiller)
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| From | Hägar <hsahm@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 08:17 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: We're robots, programmed by Nature to play "The Stay Alive Game". |
| Message-ID | <ttGdnR8o__U7AsPFnZ2dnUU7-KXNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #402683 |
"Jeff-Relf.Me" wrote in message news:Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.22--3.10A.Seattle.2016... Virgil wrote: > Until we know a good deal more about how life came into existence, > or could have come into existence, than we know now, any such speculaton > re its having come into existence elsewhere is purely a mugs game. People want to know where/when "life" can exist in the Cosmos. By "life" they mean themselves and their progeny. We're robots, programmed by Nature to play "The Stay Alive Game"; including: Breathing, Pissing, Shitting, Breeding, etc. "The Stay Alive Game" is our sacred "Religion". We consume "fuel" ( eXergy, energy that can do work ), same as the sun and everything else. "Life Extension" comes at a price; the choice is: 1 - Live FASTER, breathing FASTER. - OR - 2 - Live longer. Horses live 7 times longer than squirrels because, per pound, they consume oxygen 7 times SLOWER. A dormant bee lives many months; once activated, it dies a few weeks later. Why ? Because the active bee consumes oxygen FASTER. *** Good observation, Relfie ... so why don't you try an experiment: See how long you can hold your breath !!! We'll let you know if the experiment fails ...
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-22 09:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6E65C9F929B4taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #402682 |
Alan Baker:
Do you agree that riots occured, leading to hundreds of arrests,
during the protests over Trump's election?
*One* answer, not
yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no
/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/n
o/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/
no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/yes/no/
like you're been doing.
We both (and everyone else) know you *can't* answer once, and stick
with it, since the answer is "Yes, Clinton supporters are far more
prone to criminal violence than Trump supporters or Obama haters."
And you *can't* accept that, due to your illness.
Get help, Alan. Seriously. Before you hurt yourself. You're not
interacting with the world around you any more.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-22 09:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA6E65C8DB5416taustingmail@69.16.179.43> |
| In reply to | #402676 |
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:585B5972.7745@ix.netcom.com:
> Alan Baker wrote:
>>
>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
>> > In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
>> > Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of
>> >> life anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data
>> >> that there are something the order of 100 billion galaxies
>> >> in the observable universe.
>> >>
>> >> Combining that data with the things we have learned about
>> >> the formation of stars and planets, and we are left with the
>> >> observation that somewhere out there among the 70 billion
>> >> trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22) there are almost certainly
>> >> many others that also support life and indeed, intelligent
>> >> life.
>> >
>> > We do not know either how nor why life came into being on
>> > Earth, so we know nothing of its probability of having
>> > developed elsewhere. For all we know, Earth may be unique in
>> > this respect.
>> >
>>
>> It may be...
>>
>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from...
>>
>> ...is it likely?
>>
>> :-)
>
> No, not likely...IMPOSSIBLE!
>
As impossible as you giving up the lotion addiction?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-12-22 09:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <585C0F27.652A@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #402647 |
Alan Baker wrote:
>
> On 2016-12-21 10:05 PM, Virgil wrote:
> > In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
> > Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
> >>> In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
> >>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
> >>>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
> >>>>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of life
> >>>>>> anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data that there are
> >>>>>> something the order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned about the formation
> >>>>>> of stars and planets, and we are left with the observation that
> >>>>>> somewhere out there among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22)
> >>>>>> there are almost certainly many others that also support life and
> >>>>>> indeed, intelligent life.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on Earth,
> >>>>> so we know nothing of its probability of having developed elsewhere.
> >>>>> For all we know, Earth may be unique in this respect.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It may be...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...is it likely?
> >>>
> >>> Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar system history
> >>> is highly unlikely, and with anything less than an exact duplicate of
> >>> our solar system's history, and possibly even our galaxy's history, we
> >>> have no idea whether the startup of life is even possible, much less
> >>> likely.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?
> >
> > Anything less would not guarantee the same result,
> > and even an exact duplicate sufficiently before life
> > has come into being would not guarantee the same result.
> >
>
> "Guarantee"? No.
>
> But look at it this way:
>
> If the odds are 1 in a million trillion against life forming around
> another star, then there are most likely 70,000 other stars with life
> around them.
Your "If" doesn't work. It disagrees with nature.
There are no "odds".
There are no ratios.
"in a million trillion" is a made up amount that doesn't exist.
There is only One earth...there is no 'other' amount.
GET REAL!
ra·tio
'raSHe?o/
noun
noun: ratio; plural noun: ratios
the quantitative relation between two amounts showing the number of times one value contains or is contained within the other.
odds
ädz/
noun
plural noun: odds
the ratio between the amounts staked by the parties to a bet, based on the expected probability either way.
There is only one Earth.
wishful thinkers is all yous are.
Okay, I'll make it simple for you...
'There is only one Earth per Universe.'
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-21 18:29 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <585B3A95.5D98@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #402618 |
SteveGG wrote: > > Have you looked at the universe lately ? Not really...not lately.. > > Incredibly big or infinite actually. The reason Why it's so Big is to make room for new Stars, ...not people having trouble finding an apartment in Brooklyn, or parking in Boston. > > The supposition that Earth has the only life or even the only > intelligent life, is very clearly proposterous. I'm the only intelligent life on this planet, ...the rest of yous have to leave. > > Get real ! You actually belive you're going to die someday and all of a sudden the aliens will show up? Get something...
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