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| Message-ID | <585C0F27.652A@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2016-12-22 09:36 -0800 |
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, alt.astronomy, sci.math |
| Subject | Re: Why We Imagine Aliens Look Like This |
| References | (11 earlier) <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de> <VIRGIL-44A44C.22455121122016@news.giganews.com> <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de> <VIRGIL-291C7C.23055721122016@news.giganews.com> <o3gvq3$uaf$4@news.datemas.de> |
Cross-posted to 5 groups.
Alan Baker wrote:
>
> On 2016-12-21 10:05 PM, Virgil wrote:
> > In article <o3fpd6$ql8$1@news.datemas.de>,
> > Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2016-12-21 9:45 PM, Virgil wrote:
> >>> In article <o3fj7k$fg7$4@news.datemas.de>,
> >>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2016-12-21 7:56 PM, Virgil wrote:
> >>>>> In article <o3ffug$9ot$1@news.datemas.de>,
> >>>>> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> While we have no data that directly supports the presence of life
> >>>>>> anywhere in the universe, we have lots and lots of data that there are
> >>>>>> something the order of 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Combining that data with the things we have learned about the formation
> >>>>>> of stars and planets, and we are left with the observation that
> >>>>>> somewhere out there among the 70 billion trillion stars (yes: 7 x 10^22)
> >>>>>> there are almost certainly many others that also support life and
> >>>>>> indeed, intelligent life.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We do not know either how nor why life came into being on Earth,
> >>>>> so we know nothing of its probability of having developed elsewhere.
> >>>>> For all we know, Earth may be unique in this respect.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It may be...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but with a population of 7 x 10^22 stars to choose from...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...is it likely?
> >>>
> >>> Even with that many stars, an exact duplicate of our solar system history
> >>> is highly unlikely, and with anything less than an exact duplicate of
> >>> our solar system's history, and possibly even our galaxy's history, we
> >>> have no idea whether the startup of life is even possible, much less
> >>> likely.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Why do you imagine it must be an exact duplicate?
> >
> > Anything less would not guarantee the same result,
> > and even an exact duplicate sufficiently before life
> > has come into being would not guarantee the same result.
> >
>
> "Guarantee"? No.
>
> But look at it this way:
>
> If the odds are 1 in a million trillion against life forming around
> another star, then there are most likely 70,000 other stars with life
> around them.
Your "If" doesn't work. It disagrees with nature.
There are no "odds".
There are no ratios.
"in a million trillion" is a made up amount that doesn't exist.
There is only One earth...there is no 'other' amount.
GET REAL!
ra·tio
'raSHe?o/
noun
noun: ratio; plural noun: ratios
the quantitative relation between two amounts showing the number of times one value contains or is contained within the other.
odds
ädz/
noun
plural noun: odds
the ratio between the amounts staked by the parties to a bet, based on the expected probability either way.
There is only one Earth.
wishful thinkers is all yous are.
Okay, I'll make it simple for you...
'There is only one Earth per Universe.'
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