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  Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-07 02:37 -0700
    Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 11:48 +0200
      Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 03:00 -0700
        Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Henry Marlovetsky <ylsm@vyytrlay.em> - 2023-08-07 11:23 +0000
      Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-07 05:55 -0700
    Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 04:38 -0700
      Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-07 10:16 -0700
        Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 12:31 -0500
    Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-07 10:14 -0700
      Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 12:20 -0500
    Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-07 10:28 -0700
    Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 13:41 -0700
      Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 21:13 -0700

#616979 — Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4

"The concepts of time (spacetime) in quantum theory and GR are thus drastically different and cannot both be fundamentally true." http://hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/509316/

So one is false but theoretical physicists would not discard it - rather, they reconcile it with the true one (in Big Brother's world theoreticians reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4):

Natalie Wolchover: "The effort to unify quantum mechanics and general relativity means reconciling totally different notions of time. In quantum mechanics, time is universal and absolute; its steady ticks dictate the evolving entanglements between particles. But in general relativity (Albert Einstein's theory of gravity), time is relative and dynamical, a dimension that's inextricably interwoven with directions X, Y and Z into a four-dimensional "space-time" fabric." https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-gravitys-time-problem-20161201/

Perimeter Institute: "Quantum mechanics has one thing, time, which is absolute. But general relativity tells us that space and time are both dynamical so there is a big contradiction there. So the question is, can quantum gravity be formulated in a context where quantum mechanics still has absolute time?" https://www2.perimeterinstitute.ca/fr/research/conferences/convergence/roundtable-discussion-questions/what-are-lessons-quantum

Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

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#616980

On 2023-08-07 09:37:09 +0000, Pentcho Valev said:

> "The concepts of time (spacetime) in quantum theory and GR are thus 
> drastically different and cannot both be fundamentally true." 
> http://hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/509316/

You realize, of course (no, I correct myself, you probably don't 
realize any such thing), that Hindawi journals are mainly junk journals 
for crackpots, and that few serious scientists would dream of 
publishing in them.
> 
> So one is false but theoretical physicists would not discard it - 
> rather, they reconcile it with the true one (in Big Brother's world 
> theoreticians reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4):
> 
> Natalie Wolchover: "The effort to unify quantum mechanics and general 
> relativity means reconciling totally different notions of time. In 
> quantum mechanics, time is universal and absolute; its steady ticks 
> dictate the evolving entanglements between particles. But in general 
> relativity (Albert Einstein's theory of gravity), time is relative and 
> dynamical, a dimension that's inextricably interwoven with directions 
> X, Y and Z into a four-dimensional "space-time" fabric." 
> https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-gravitys-time-problem-20161201/
> 
> Perimeter Institute: "Quantum mechanics has one thing, time, which is 
> absolute. But general relativity tells us that space and time are both 
> dynamical so there is a big contradiction there. So the question is, 
> can quantum gravity be formulated in a context where quantum mechanics 
> still has absolute time?" 
> https://www2.perimeterinstitute.ca/fr/research/conferences/convergence/roundtable-discussion-questions/what-are-lessons-quantum 
> 
> 
> Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev


-- 
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly 
in England until 1987.

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#616982

On Monday, 7 August 2023 at 11:48:49 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-08-07 09:37:09 +0000, Pentcho Valev said: 
> 
> > "The concepts of time (spacetime) in quantum theory and GR are thus 
> > drastically different and cannot both be fundamentally true." 
> > http://hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/509316/
> You realize, of course (no, I correct myself, you probably don't 
> realize any such thing), that Hindawi journals are mainly junk journals 
> for crackpots, and that few serious scientists would dream of 
> publishing in them.

You realize, of course (no, I correct myself, you probably don't
realize any such thing), that your "serious scientists" are mostly
just arrogant, mumbling morons?

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#616987

Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> On Monday, 7 August 2023 at 11:48:49 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> probably don't realize any such thing), that Hindawi journals are
>> mainly junk journals for crackpots, and that few serious scientists
>> would dream of publishing in them.
> 
> You realize, of course (no, I correct myself, you probably don't realize
> any such thing), that your "serious scientists" are mostly just
> arrogant, mumbling morons?

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#616989

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 11:48:49 AM UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-08-07 09:37:09 +0000, Pentcho Valev said: 
> 
> > "The concepts of time (spacetime) in quantum theory and GR are thus 
> > drastically different and cannot both be fundamentally true." 
> > http://hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/509316/
> You realize, of course (no, I correct myself, you probably don't 
> realize any such thing), that Hindawi journals are mainly junk journals 
> for crackpots, and that few serious scientists would dream of 
> publishing in them.

Here is the author: https://www.thp.uni-koeln.de/gravitation/mitarbeiter/kiefer.html

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#616988

Why would 2+2=4 be any better than "for any right 
triangle a^2+b^2=c^2", which is not valid in modern 
physics?

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#617005

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:38:48 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> Why would 2+2=4 be any better than "for any right 
> triangle a^2+b^2=c^2", which is not valid in modern 
> physics?
Instead of a^2 + b^2= c^2 we must use the Lorentz transformations to impress people.

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#617018

On 8/7/2023 12:16 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:38:48 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>> Why would 2+2=4 be any better than "for any right
>> triangle a^2+b^2=c^2", which is not valid in modern
>> physics?
> Instead of a^2 + b^2= c^2 we must use the Lorentz transformations to impress people.

Yes, you idols are so much better than anything.

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#617004

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:37:11 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> "The concepts of time (spacetime) in quantum theory and GR are thus drastically different and cannot both be fundamentally true." http://hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/509316/ 
> 
> So one is false but theoretical physicists would not discard it - rather, they reconcile it with the true one (in Big Brother's world theoreticians reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4): 
> 
> Natalie Wolchover: "The effort to unify quantum mechanics and general relativity means reconciling totally different notions of time. In quantum mechanics, time is universal and absolute; its steady ticks dictate the evolving entanglements between particles. But in general relativity (Albert Einstein's theory of gravity), time is relative and dynamical, a dimension that's inextricably interwoven with directions X, Y and Z into a four-dimensional "space-time" fabric." https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-gravitys-time-problem-20161201/ 
> 
> Perimeter Institute: "Quantum mechanics has one thing, time, which is absolute. But general relativity tells us that space and time are both dynamical so there is a big contradiction there. So the question is, can quantum gravity be formulated in a context where quantum mechanics still has absolute time?" https://www2.perimeterinstitute.ca/fr/research/conferences/convergence/roundtable-discussion-questions/what-are-lessons-quantum 
> 
> Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
Those relativists here who want to fob this off as crank junk are ignorant about the matter.

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#617008

On 8/7/2023 12:14 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:37:11 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:
>> "The concepts of time (spacetime) in quantum theory and GR are thus drastically different and cannot both be fundamentally true." http://hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/509316/
>>
>> So one is false but theoretical physicists would not discard it - rather, they reconcile it with the true one (in Big Brother's world theoreticians reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4):
>>
>> Natalie Wolchover: "The effort to unify quantum mechanics and general relativity means reconciling totally different notions of time. In quantum mechanics, time is universal and absolute; its steady ticks dictate the evolving entanglements between particles. But in general relativity (Albert Einstein's theory of gravity), time is relative and dynamical, a dimension that's inextricably interwoven with directions X, Y and Z into a four-dimensional "space-time" fabric." https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-gravitys-time-problem-20161201/
>>
>> Perimeter Institute: "Quantum mechanics has one thing, time, which is absolute. But general relativity tells us that space and time are both dynamical so there is a big contradiction there. So the question is, can quantum gravity be formulated in a context where quantum mechanics still has absolute time?" https://www2.perimeterinstitute.ca/fr/research/conferences/convergence/roundtable-discussion-questions/what-are-lessons-quantum

>> Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

> Those relativists here who want to fob this off as crank junk are ignorant about the matter.

Sure thing, your idols are better than anything!

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#617014

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:37:11 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> "The concepts of time (spacetime) in quantum theory and GR are thus drastically different and cannot both be fundamentally true." http://hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/509316/ 
> 
> So one is false but theoretical physicists would not discard it - rather, they reconcile it with the true one (in Big Brother's world theoreticians reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4): 

Pentcho, I just finished reading that book!  Orwell describes modern America to a tee.  Canada is even farther down that road.  Did you know that 10,000 Canadian were euthanized last year?  Supposedly by choice.  Just like juveniles in this country undergo gender affirming surgery "by choice". 

Thanks for juxtaposing Double Speak and SR.  Very insightful.  
> 
> Natalie Wolchover: "The effort to unify quantum mechanics and general relativity means reconciling totally different notions of time. In quantum mechanics, time is universal and absolute; its steady ticks dictate the evolving entanglements between particles. But in general relativity (Albert Einstein's theory of gravity), time is relative and dynamical, a dimension that's inextricably interwoven with directions X, Y and Z into a four-dimensional "space-time" fabric." https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-gravitys-time-problem-20161201/ 
> 
> Perimeter Institute: "Quantum mechanics has one thing, time, which is absolute. But general relativity tells us that space and time are both dynamical so there is a big contradiction there. So the question is, can quantum gravity be formulated in a context where quantum mechanics still has absolute time?" https://www2.perimeterinstitute.ca/fr/research/conferences/convergence/roundtable-discussion-questions/what-are-lessons-quantum 
> 
> Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

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#617035

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:37:11 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> "The concepts of time (spacetime) in quantum theory and GR are thus drastically different and cannot both be fundamentally true." http://hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/509316/ 
> 
> So one is false but theoretical physicists would not discard it - rather, they reconcile it with the true one (in Big Brother's world theoreticians reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4): 
> 
> Natalie Wolchover: "The effort to unify quantum mechanics and general relativity means reconciling totally different notions of time. In quantum mechanics, time is universal and absolute; its steady ticks dictate the evolving entanglements between particles. But in general relativity (Albert Einstein's theory of gravity), time is relative and dynamical, a dimension that's inextricably interwoven with directions X, Y and Z into a four-dimensional "space-time" fabric." https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-gravitys-time-problem-20161201/ 
> 
> Perimeter Institute: "Quantum mechanics has one thing, time, which is absolute. But general relativity tells us that space and time are both dynamical so there is a big contradiction there. So the question is, can quantum gravity be formulated in a context where quantum mechanics still has absolute time?" https://www2.perimeterinstitute.ca/fr/research/conferences/convergence/roundtable-discussion-questions/what-are-lessons-quantum 
> 
> Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

The idiot's back.

--
Jan

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#617073

On Monday, 7 August 2023 at 22:41:07 UTC+2, JanPB wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:37:11 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> > "The concepts of time (spacetime) in quantum theory and GR are thus drastically different and cannot both be fundamentally true." http://hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/509316/ 
> > 
> > So one is false but theoretical physicists would not discard it - rather, they reconcile it with the true one (in Big Brother's world theoreticians reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4): 
> > 
> > Natalie Wolchover: "The effort to unify quantum mechanics and general relativity means reconciling totally different notions of time. In quantum mechanics, time is universal and absolute; its steady ticks dictate the evolving entanglements between particles. But in general relativity (Albert Einstein's theory of gravity), time is relative and dynamical, a dimension that's inextricably interwoven with directions X, Y and Z into a four-dimensional "space-time" fabric." https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-gravitys-time-problem-20161201/ 
> > 
> > Perimeter Institute: "Quantum mechanics has one thing, time, which is absolute. But general relativity tells us that space and time are both dynamical so there is a big contradiction there. So the question is, can quantum gravity be formulated in a context where quantum mechanics still has absolute time?" https://www2.perimeterinstitute.ca/fr/research/conferences/convergence/roundtable-discussion-questions/what-are-lessons-quantum 
> > 
> > Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
> The idiot's back. 

You are, indeed.

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