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Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4

From Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4
Date 2023-08-07 11:48 +0200
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On 2023-08-07 09:37:09 +0000, Pentcho Valev said:

> "The concepts of time (spacetime) in quantum theory and GR are thus 
> drastically different and cannot both be fundamentally true." 
> http://hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/509316/

You realize, of course (no, I correct myself, you probably don't 
realize any such thing), that Hindawi journals are mainly junk journals 
for crackpots, and that few serious scientists would dream of 
publishing in them.
> 
> So one is false but theoretical physicists would not discard it - 
> rather, they reconcile it with the true one (in Big Brother's world 
> theoreticians reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4):
> 
> Natalie Wolchover: "The effort to unify quantum mechanics and general 
> relativity means reconciling totally different notions of time. In 
> quantum mechanics, time is universal and absolute; its steady ticks 
> dictate the evolving entanglements between particles. But in general 
> relativity (Albert Einstein's theory of gravity), time is relative and 
> dynamical, a dimension that's inextricably interwoven with directions 
> X, Y and Z into a four-dimensional "space-time" fabric." 
> https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-gravitys-time-problem-20161201/
> 
> Perimeter Institute: "Quantum mechanics has one thing, time, which is 
> absolute. But general relativity tells us that space and time are both 
> dynamical so there is a big contradiction there. So the question is, 
> can quantum gravity be formulated in a context where quantum mechanics 
> still has absolute time?" 
> https://www2.perimeterinstitute.ca/fr/research/conferences/convergence/roundtable-discussion-questions/what-are-lessons-quantum 
> 
> 
> Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev


-- 
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly 
in England until 1987.

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Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-07 02:37 -0700
  Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 11:48 +0200
    Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 03:00 -0700
      Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Henry Marlovetsky <ylsm@vyytrlay.em> - 2023-08-07 11:23 +0000
    Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-07 05:55 -0700
  Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 04:38 -0700
    Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-07 10:16 -0700
      Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 12:31 -0500
  Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-07 10:14 -0700
    Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 12:20 -0500
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  Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 13:41 -0700
    Re: Theoretical Physicists Reconcile 2+2=5 and 2+2=4 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 21:13 -0700

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