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| Started by | Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2017-01-20 13:22 -0800 |
| Last post | 2017-01-23 06:24 +0100 |
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The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-20 13:22 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 14:12 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 16:52 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-01-23 03:19 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-23 10:34 -0600
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-01-24 04:20 +1100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-23 09:32 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 15:58 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-02-03 16:13 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-02-06 08:46 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-01-23 16:24 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 16:53 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-21 06:43 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-21 14:12 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-21 08:37 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-21 08:49 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-21 09:36 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-21 10:10 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Reid Schaffner <dnfoonio@acdnfni.info> - 2017-01-21 21:23 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-22 06:45 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-22 08:24 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-22 17:31 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-22 09:58 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-23 16:33 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-22 10:24 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-23 16:36 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-23 09:52 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 01:22 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-23 21:23 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-23 21:29 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 13:44 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-24 11:52 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-01-22 10:54 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-01-24 16:09 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-21 21:32 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-21 13:43 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-22 04:25 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-22 08:16 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-22 17:59 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2017-01-22 10:33 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-22 10:44 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-23 06:34 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-22 22:06 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-24 06:49 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-23 22:41 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-23 22:45 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-24 23:08 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-24 14:35 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-25 06:34 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-26 06:15 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-29 06:54 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-23 11:57 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-23 12:00 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-01-23 14:38 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 01:27 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-23 09:27 -0600
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-23 18:13 -0600
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 01:39 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-23 23:38 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 13:55 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-24 06:34 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-24 23:10 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-24 23:08 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-25 15:11 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-25 07:35 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-26 11:22 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-26 03:30 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-26 17:15 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-01-27 19:19 -0500
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-28 04:25 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-28 10:53 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-28 03:08 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-28 14:31 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-28 06:55 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-29 03:41 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-28 20:18 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-29 04:03 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-29 07:21 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-28 22:44 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-29 20:25 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-29 12:32 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-29 12:35 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-30 23:57 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-29 22:16 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-30 23:47 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-01-31 13:01 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-02-01 06:51 +0100
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-01 09:10 +0000
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-02-01 01:27 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-01 13:23 +0000
The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2017-01-21 16:42 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2017-01-22 11:04 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-22 11:50 -0800
Re: The Worst Mistake in Theoretical Physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-01-23 06:24 +0100
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| From | "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-29 12:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <32b86501-4b7c-489a-b772-dbf3da5e3f03@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #407135 |
Am 29.01.2017 07:44, schrieb David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller: >>> She told us (and this is verbatim - I was so shocked by it that >>> I can't forget it) "As long as they inderstand each other; that's >>> all that matters". >> >> Here we have it again: >> >> 'Intentional bad behaviour' is apparently a common phenomenon in politics. >> >> So, a little more than 'just understand each other' is not all, that >> matters. And certainly public education could do more than this. >> >> How about things like foreign literature or own writing skills? >> >> I personally think, that intellectual misbehaviour of politicians is >> somehow rewarded. IOW: the more idiotic the policy, the higher someone >> climbs the hierarchy. >> >> And 'political correctness' is certainly among the more idiotic concepts. >> >>> BTW; when you read my stuff in future, it will help if you have >>> your irony detector turned on. >> >> >> I did realise it, but had chosen to write something more sober. >> >>>> That's what their brain is designed for. >>> >>> That's a teleological-sounding error. It's not designed. >> >> >> well, maybe... >> >> But that's an entirely different question. >> >> .. >> >> TH > > Hi Mr. Heger > > I take it you are Living Out of the United States. > > Unless you Live Here in the USA& are Able to free your (Consciousness& Critical thinking) from the (Perpetual Jingoistic Nationalistic Brainwashing)& can focus your Attention on Truly Observing the Purposeful Brainwashing& Group-think Effort, this Goes Largely Un-Noticed Because the Children Grow up Inside it for 18 years. > > The Ones who Do Notice the Ridiculousness of it and Do Not Conform to the jingoistic Brainwashing are Ridiculed and Ostracized and Driven away From active participation in society ... As to Not Infect the rest of the population with the "Disease of Free Thinking". > > All of America is simply a "LIE" designed to Deceived as many people as possible to make them as exploitable as Possible& as Passive/Submissive as Possible for personal gain of "Others Leisure Resources". > > All of America is simply a "LIE" to Deceive and Exploit. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id6nCa_OTEM Well, not quite, since I don't see the USA THAT pessimistic and the quote mentioned above stems from Australia. I think, there are several independent substreams acting in the society. And some people want the masses more exploitable, while others don't. So we have opposing forces, that push and pull (according to their agenda) on the society. At the end things are not as one side wants, nor in favour of the other. Most likely the results are somewhere in the middle. This not bad at all, since this is usually the most acceptable result for the majority. TH It is Exactly that BAD Anti-science Imbeciles are in control of government Large numbers of People actually starting to believe the earth is really flat again. Theocracy is on the rise Fascism & Corporatism & Feudalism are on the rise again. Having 50 to 60 % of the population believing utter Faerie Stories as Facts is Not good for Anyone.
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| From | "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-29 12:35 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a2be6a17-d276-4e04-ab0e-1fe60149e280@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #407135 |
Thomas Heger wrote So we have opposing forces, that push and pull (according to their agenda) on the society. This is the "Hegelian Dialectical" in Action stripping Citizens of their Rights by purposefully causing them to believe Fearful Faerie Stories
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-01-30 23:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ef9umqFqan9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #407149 |
Am 29.01.2017 21:35, schrieb David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller: > Thomas Heger wrote > > So we have opposing forces, that push and pull (according to their agenda) on the society. > > This is the "Hegelian Dialectical" in Action stripping Citizens of their Rights by purposefully causing them to believe Fearful Faerie Stories > Not exactly. I was quoting something more exotic: There are ruins in Ankhor Vat and in these ruins there are pictures carved into the wall. One picture shows, how these people thought, the world was created. There was a very long snake and that was wound around a mountain. On both sides were lots of little demons pulling on the snake. That went back and forth, while that pulling on the snake twisted the mountain. This went on, until the mountain had turned the milk-sea (in which the mountain was floating) into butter. From this butter the milky way was built and from that came the rest of the world. (hope that was a somehow correct quote) TH
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| From | Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
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| Date | 2017-01-29 22:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrno8sqdn.jkb.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
| In reply to | #407110 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > Ned Latham wrote: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > Ned Latham wrote: ----snip---- > > > > Nope. Teaching it stopped in 1976 because of the groundbreaking > > > > discovery in 1975 that correcting kids' errors could hurt their > > > > feelings. > > > > > > No. Kids just love to be corrected. > > > > Tell that to the Politikal Korrektness Kult in English-speaking > > countries, Thomas. They really do believe what I said. I watched > > a spokesork from the Victorian Primary Teachers' Association[1] > > tell us exactly that during their 1975 campaign to have grammar, > > spelling and phonetics removed from the public school curriculum. > > > > She told us (and this is verbatim - I was so shocked by it that > > I can't forget it) "As long as they inderstand each other; that's > > all that matters". > > Here we have it again: > > 'Intentional bad behaviour' is apparently a common phenomenon in > politics. The woman I quoted was not a politcian per se, she was a union representative. > So, a little more than 'just understand each other' is not all that > matters. True, but that's not what she said. > And certainly public education could do more than this. Of course, we used to aim much higher than a mere working knowledge of street talk. > How about things like foreign literature or own writing skills? Those were never part of primary education in English-speaking countries. AFAIK. > I personally think, that intellectual misbehaviour of politicians > is somehow rewarded. Obedience to the Party Machine is what's rewarded. But I stress... the woman I quoted was not a politician per se. > IOW: the more idiotic the policy, the higher > someone climbs the hierarchy. > > And 'political correctness' is certainly among the more idiotic > concepts. It's become very powerful in Australian politivs. ----snip---- > > > That's what their brain is designed for. > > > > That's a teleological-sounding error. It's not designed. > > well, maybe... Okay, point taken. Let me rephrase: there's no need to postulate "design". > But that's an entirely different question. Bery, Ned
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-01-30 23:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ef9u3hFq76hU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #407156 |
Am 29.01.2017 23:16, schrieb Ned Latham: >>>>> Nope. Teaching it stopped in 1976 because of the groundbreaking >>>>> discovery in 1975 that correcting kids' errors could hurt their >>>>> feelings. >>>> >>>> No. Kids just love to be corrected. >>> >>> Tell that to the Politikal Korrektness Kult in English-speaking >>> countries, Thomas. They really do believe what I said. I watched >>> a spokesork from the Victorian Primary Teachers' Association[1] >>> tell us exactly that during their 1975 campaign to have grammar, >>> spelling and phonetics removed from the public school curriculum. >>> >>> She told us (and this is verbatim - I was so shocked by it that >>> I can't forget it) "As long as they inderstand each other; that's >>> all that matters". >> >> Here we have it again: >> >> 'Intentional bad behaviour' is apparently a common phenomenon in >> politics. > > The woman I quoted was not a politcian per se, she was a union > representative. I see. I thought, that 'Victorian Teachers association' is kind of agency. But apparently it more like a trade union. But why have such organisations influence on the primary school's curriculum? In Germany (were I live) the schools belong to the state (Germany has 16 states). All matters related to school education are regulated by the state's ministry for culture and education and the conference of all German ministers of culture. Trade unions of the teachers are not asked about their opinions. >> So, a little more than 'just understand each other' is not all that >> matters. > > True, but that's not what she said. Sure, but it was quite similar. >> And certainly public education could do more than this. > > Of course, we used to aim much higher than a mere working knowledge > of street talk. > >> How about things like foreign literature or own writing skills? > > Those were never part of primary education in English-speaking > countries. AFAIK. For instance we did that in Germany (reading English literature). Also writing skills were trained (to some degree) and own writing was encouraged. Australians could read -say- Mark Twain. That's English language, but not Australian literature. >> I personally think, that intellectual misbehaviour of politicians >> is somehow rewarded. > > Obedience to the Party Machine is what's rewarded. But I stress... > the woman I quoted was not a politician per se. Well, most likely these unions are also controlled by the parties. >> IOW: the more idiotic the policy, the higher >> someone climbs the hierarchy. >> >> And 'political correctness' is certainly among the more idiotic >> concepts. > > It's become very powerful in Australian politivs. I suggest: throw tomatoes. > ----snip---- > >>>> That's what their brain is designed for. >>> >>> That's a teleological-sounding error. It's not designed. >> >> well, maybe... > > Okay, point taken. Let me rephrase: there's no need to postulate > "design". OK. But I was not referencing to creationism, but to design in the meaning of how it looks like. Children like to learn and their brain is just the right tool for learning (like designed for that purpose). TH
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| From | Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
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| Date | 2017-01-31 13:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrno912li.dqp.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
| In reply to | #407284 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > Ned Latham wrote:: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > Ned Latham wrote: > > > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > > Ned Latham wrote: ----snip---- > > > > > > Nope. Teaching it stopped in 1976 because of the groundbreaking > > > > > > discovery in 1975 that correcting kids' errors could hurt their > > > > > > feelings. > > > > > > > > > > No. Kids just love to be corrected. > > > > > > > > Tell that to the Politikal Korrektness Kult in English-speaking > > > > countries, Thomas. They really do believe what I said. I watched > > > > a spokesork from the Victorian Primary Teachers' Association[1] > > > > tell us exactly that during their 1975 campaign to have grammar, > > > > spelling and phonetics removed from the public school curriculum. > > > > > > > > She told us (and this is verbatim - I was so shocked by it that > > > > I can't forget it) "As long as they inderstand each other; that's > > > > all that matters". > > > > > > Here we have it again: > > > > > > 'Intentional bad behaviour' is apparently a common phenomenon in > > > politics. > > > > The woman I quoted was not a politcian per se, she was a union > > representative. > > I see. I thought, that 'Victorian Teachers association' is kind of > agency. It's a name: "Association" should be capitalised. > But apparently it more like a trade union. It's exactly like a trade union. The word "association" signals that it's a white-collar organisation rather than a blue-collar one. Also that its members pretend to the term "profession". > But why have such organisations influence on the primary school's > curriculum? The curriculum is determined by State politicians, and the unions can organise large blocks of votes. > In Germany (were I live) the schools belong to the state (Germany > has 16 states). Same here for the public schools. But we also have private schools. Except for a very few state-imposed compulsory items on the curruculum, things are very different in the two systems. Oz has six states and two territories, which have some state powers. > All matters related to school education are regulated by the state's > ministry for culture and education and the conference of all German > ministers of culture. Each Australian State and Territory has its own Department of Education. > Trade unions of the teachers are not asked about their opinions. Here, the teachers are regarded, when it suits the politicians to regard them so, as "experts" in the field of education. They all have Umiversity degrees (Bachelor of Education) and they are the people "in the ground", so to speak. In the matter of the 1975 campauhn for changes to the curriculum, however, they were the establishment's useful idiots. Their idea of "nurturing" the pupils' egoes would inevitably lead to declining levels of educational achievemnent, and that's what the establishment wanted. So the union's demands were very quickly met. In every State and Territory in the Commonwealth. There were similar changes in other English-speaking countries too, all around the same time. The revolution of the 1960s gave the establishmewnt a bad fright. ----snip---- > > > How about things like foreign literature or own writing skills? > > > > Those were never part of primary education in English-speaking > > countries. AFAIK. Actually, I have to qualify that. Some "progressive" schools in various countries have offered foreign-language education, and AFAIK, the results were always good, but it seems that nothing ever came of it. > For instance we did that in Germany (reading English literature). > Also writing skills were trained (to some degree) and own writing > was encouraged. Our reading was limited to English, but there were many authors from many countries, and we practised reading aloud to a critical audience. We were also comprehensively trained in essay writing. All that went away in 1976. > Australians could read -say- Mark Twain. That's English language, > but not Australian literature. We did read non-Australian literature; I remember "Oliver Twist" by Charles Dickens, "Black Beauty" by Anna Sewell, and "Uncle Tom's Cabin", by Harriet Beecher Stowe... > > > I personally think, that intellectual misbehaviour of politicians > > > is somehow rewarded. > > > > Obedience to the Party Machine is what's rewarded. But I stress... > > the woman I quoted was not a politician per se. > > Well, most likely these unions are also controlled by the parties. Here, they exert control on each other. The unions contribute to the campaign funds of one of the major political parties, the Australian Labor Party, and they send delegates to all ALP caucus meetings, which are meetings, ostensibly, of the ALP membership. > > > IOW: the more idiotic the policy, the higher > > > someone climbs the hierarchy. > > > > > > And 'political correctness' is certainly among the more idiotic > > > concepts. > > > > It's become very powerful in Australian politivs. > > I suggest: throw tomatoes. They call that "offensive behaviour"; sometimes even "assault". > > ----snip---- > > > > > > > That's what their brain is designed for. > > > > > > > > That's a teleological-sounding error. It's not designed. > > > > > > well, maybe... > > > > Okay, point taken. Let me rephrase: there's no need to postulate > > "design". > > OK. But I was not referencing to creationism, but to design in the > meaning of how it looks like. I think you could possibly regard me as obsessed in this regard: I believe that we should go out of our way to avoid any terminology that gives even the slightest encouragement to theists. So instead of "that's what their brain is designed for" I would say "that's how their brain functions". > Children like to learn and their brain is just the right tool for > learning Yep. (like designed for that purpose). Nope. Its composition and form suit that function. Ned
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-02-01 06:51 +0100 |
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Am 31.01.2017 14:01, schrieb Ned Latham: > >>>>>>> Nope. Teaching it stopped in 1976 because of the groundbreaking >>>>>>> discovery in 1975 that correcting kids' errors could hurt their >>>>>>> feelings. >>>>>> >>>>>> No. Kids just love to be corrected. >>>>> >>>>> Tell that to the Politikal Korrektness Kult in English-speaking >>>>> countries, Thomas. They really do believe what I said. I watched >>>>> a spokesork from the Victorian Primary Teachers' Association[1] >>>>> tell us exactly that during their 1975 campaign to have grammar, >>>>> spelling and phonetics removed from the public school curriculum. >>>>> >>>>> She told us (and this is verbatim - I was so shocked by it that >>>>> I can't forget it) "As long as they inderstand each other; that's >>>>> all that matters". >>>> >>>> Here we have it again: >>>> >>>> 'Intentional bad behaviour' is apparently a common phenomenon in >>>> politics. >>> >>> The woman I quoted was not a politcian per se, she was a union >>> representative. >> >> I see. I thought, that 'Victorian Teachers association' is kind of >> agency. > > It's a name: "Association" should be capitalised. Do capital letters indicate a different meaning of a word? >> But apparently it more like a trade union. > > It's exactly like a trade union. The word "association" signals that > it's a white-collar organisation rather than a blue-collar one. > Also that its members pretend to the term "profession". Associations are non elected entities, but represent the members and their interests. Politics is about public affairs and politicians are elected by all citizens. So we have a discrepancy between 'few members' and 'all citizens'. The trade unions have also no political mandate, nor do their representatives. It's about 'trade', meaning about the conditions of work and about payment and similar questions. >> But why have such organisations influence on the primary school's >> curriculum? > > The curriculum is determined by State politicians, and the unions > can organise large blocks of votes. How that ????? Can the unions demand certain votes from their members? Isn't voting free and secret in Australia? .. >> Trade unions of the teachers are not asked about their opinions. > > Here, the teachers are regarded, when it suits the politicians to > regard them so, as "experts" in the field of education. They all > have Umiversity degrees (Bachelor of Education) and they are the > people "in the ground", so to speak. They are certainly experts in teaching. But we're not discussing teaching per se, but the subjects they should teach. > In the matter of the 1975 campauhn for changes to the curriculum, > however, they were the establishment's useful idiots. Their idea > of "nurturing" the pupils' egoes would inevitably lead to declining > levels of educational achievemnent, and that's what the establishment > wanted. So the union's demands were very quickly met. In every State > and Territory in the Commonwealth. You mean, they have REALLY done something THAT idiotic in Australia? > There were similar changes in other English-speaking countries > too, all around the same time. The revolution of the 1960s gave > the establishmewnt a bad fright. 'Revolution' ? In my opinion the so called 68er movement was directed by the CIA to promote drugs. That was all fraud and fake. > > ----snip---- > >>>> How about things like foreign literature or own writing skills? >>> >>> Those were never part of primary education in English-speaking >>> countries. AFAIK. > > Actually, I have to qualify that. Some "progressive" schools in > various countries have offered foreign-language education, and > AFAIK, the results were always good, but it seems that nothing > ever came of it. > >> For instance we did that in Germany (reading English literature). >> Also writing skills were trained (to some degree) and own writing >> was encouraged. > > Our reading was limited to English, but there were many authors from > many countries, and we practised reading aloud to a critical audience. > We were also comprehensively trained in essay writing. > > All that went away in 1976. That sounds terrible. .. >>>> I personally think, that intellectual misbehaviour of politicians >>>> is somehow rewarded. >>> >>> Obedience to the Party Machine is what's rewarded. But I stress... >>> the woman I quoted was not a politician per se. >> >> Well, most likely these unions are also controlled by the parties. > > Here, they exert control on each other. The unions contribute to the > campaign funds of one of the major political parties, the Australian > Labor Party, and they send delegates to all ALP caucus meetings, > which are meetings, ostensibly, of the ALP membership. > >>>> IOW: the more idiotic the policy, the higher >>>> someone climbs the hierarchy. >>>> >>>> And 'political correctness' is certainly among the more idiotic >>>> concepts. >>> >>> It's become very powerful in Australian politivs. >> >> I suggest: throw tomatoes. > > They call that "offensive behaviour"; sometimes even "assault". Well, maybe you throw shoes. TH
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| From | Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
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| Date | 2017-02-01 09:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrno939h3.a9f.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
| In reply to | #407468 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > Ned Latham wrote: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > Ned Latham wrote:: > > > > Thomas Heger wrote: ----sbip---- > > > > The woman I quoted was not a politcian per se, she was a union > > > > representative. > > > > > > I see. I thought, that 'Victorian Teachers association' is kind of > > > agency. > > > > It's a name: "Association" should be capitalised. > > Do capital letters indicate a different meaning of a word? No. They indicate a different purpose to its utterance. In English, there are two classes of noun; common nouns and names, which are called proper nouns (why "proper" I have no idea). With proper nouns, the importance of definition is diminished; the word's value lies mostly, if not entirely, in its function as a label. My given name can serve as an example: "Edwin" is descended from the Saxon name "Aed-wine", which means "rich friend" or "noble friend", and that is of no consequence whatever. > > > But apparently it more like a trade union. > > > > It's exactly like a trade union. The word "association" signals that > > it's a white-collar organisation rather than a blue-collar one. > > Also that its members pretend to the term "profession". > > Associations are non elected entities, but represent the members and > their interests. That doesn't doesn't fit. An Association (of the union type) is a sort of worker collective. Its officials (delegates, representatives, etc) are elected by the membership. > Politics is about public affairs and politicians are elected by all > citizens. > So we have a discrepancy between 'few members' and 'all citizens'. > > The trade unions have also no political mandate, nor do their > representatives. > It's about 'trade', meaning about the conditions of work and about > payment and similar questions. Yes. And sometimes they actually bend their efforts along those lines. But one way to affect pay and work conditions is to get suitable legislation enacted. So Unions strive for political power. > > > But why have such organisations influence on the primary school's > > > curriculum? > > > > The curriculum is determined by State politicians, and the unions > > can organise large blocks of votes. > > How that ????? > Can the unions demand certain votes from their members? Have you ever seen a demagogue whip a crowd into a frenzy? > Isn't voting free and secret in Australia? Nominaly. > > > Trade unions of the teachers are not asked about their opinions. > > > > Here, the teachers are regarded, when it suits the politicians to > > regard them so, as "experts" in the field of education. They all > > have Umiversity degrees (Bachelor of Education) and they are the > > people "in the ground", so to speak. > > They are certainly experts in teaching. But we're not discussing > teaching per se, but the subjects they should teach. No, we're discussing the politics of teaching. > > In the matter of the 1975 campaign for changes to the curriculum, > > however, they were the establishment's useful idiots. Their idea > > of "nurturing" the pupils' egoes would inevitably lead to declining > > levels of educational achievemnent, and that's what the establishment > > wanted. So the union's demands were very quickly met. In every State > > and Territory in the Commonwealth. > > You mean, they have REALLY done something THAT idiotic in Australia? Yes. That's what I've been trying to tell yopu. > > There were similar changes in other English-speaking countries > > too, all around the same time. The revolution of the 1960s gave > > the establishmewnt a bad fright. > > 'Revolution' ? > In my opinion the so called 68er movement was directed by the CIA to > promote drugs. The revolution began very quietly in the late 1950s. The thrust was democracy. It had become a worry for the establishment by 1964, but then it got swamped in the revulsion brought about by the Vietnam War. You don't hear much about those years because they were not dramatic like the Vietnam protests, and because the establishment have quietly quashed media examination of the period. When the Vietnam atrocity ended, the protesters went home thinking they's won a great victory, but in fact they'd won nothing but a recognition of female rights and a few trivialities like dress codes. The establishment, OTOH, set about ensuring that there would never be a repeat of the informed resistence that began the revolution. The perversion of the education system into an indocrination system was one of the programmes employed. They even turned the recognition of female rights to their own advantage: the presence of women in the workforce was now fully respectable; the number of wage slaves available to them virtually doubled overnight. Inflation went through the roof but wages didn't heep up; by the time the economy had adjusted, the cost of living had effectively doubled. It now took two incomes to support a family. > That was all fraud and fake. I sometimes think that the Vietnam War was just a little too convenient for the establishment's pirposes to be true. But that seems a very long stretch. ----snip---- > > Our reading was limited to English, but there were many authors from > > many countries, and we practised reading aloud to a critical audience. > > We were also comprehensively trained in essay writing. > > > > All that went away in 1976. > > That sounds terrible. The scions of the establishment still receive a good education. That's what the private schools are for. ----snip---- > > > > > And 'political correctness' is certainly among the more idiotic > > > > > concepts. > > > > > > > > It's become very powerful in Australian politivs. > > > > > > I suggest: throw tomatoes. > > > > They call that "offensive behaviour"; sometimes even "assault". > > Well, maybe you throw shoes. Same problem. Unless the thrower is a Moslem, in which case it's an expression of his culture, and must be respected and tolerated as such. ned
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2017-02-01 01:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ad04b381-d624-4075-91ab-d6292aa931a7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #407473 |
W dniu środa, 1 lutego 2017 10:11:05 UTC+1 użytkownik Ned Latham napisał: > The revolution began very quietly in the late 1950s. The thrust was > democracy. Democracy? There is no such things since ancient Greeks. Have you forgot, poor idiot?
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| From | Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
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| Date | 2017-02-01 13:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrno93ob8.kqk.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> |
| In reply to | #407474 |
mlwozniak wrote: > Ned Latham wrote: > > > > The revolution began very quietly in the late 1950s. > > The thrust was democracy. > > Democracy? There is no such things since ancient Greeks. I know, dimwit, Its absence is what the revolution was about. Do try to keep up. > Have you forgot, poor idiot? No, I haven't "forgot," you. I bet *you* haven't "forgot," you, either. Perhaps if you put your head in a bucket of pig's piss... Don't hold your breath waiting.
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| From | Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-21 16:42 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ebb54191-dd88-4e90-b2e2-3c8ad40cbdda@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #406189 |
For Nima Arkani-Hamed, the constant speed of light should be introduced because "we don't want arbitrarily distant regions in the Universe to be able to affect us": https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KPerMYif2oE RELATIVITY - Galileo to Einstein - Nima Arkani-Hamed The same Nima Arkani-Hamed teaches that spacetime, the consequence of the constant speed of light, does not exist (true premise, nonexistent consequence!?!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U47kyV4TMnE Nima Arkani-Hamed (06:09): "Almost all of us believe that space-time doesn't really exist, space-time is doomed and has to be replaced by some more primitive building blocks." We all live in Einstein's schizophrenic world, don't we? Pentcho Valev
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| From | Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-22 11:04 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b9e4a378-9aac-4980-8b6c-bc4d87742cfa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #406189 |
On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 11:22:53 AM UTC-10, Pentcho Valev wrote: > What Was The Worst Mistake Ever Made In Theoretical Physics? http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/01/20/what-was-the-worst-mistake-ever-made-in-theoretical-physics/ > > My reply in Forbes: > > The worst mistake in theoretical physics is undoubtedly Einstein's 1905 false constant-speed-of-light postulate. Of the following two statements one is absolutely true, the other is false: > > (A) The speed of light depends on the speed of the light source. > > (B) The speed of light is independent of the speed of the light source. > > Einstein hesitated between A (a tenet of Newton's emission theory of light) and B (a tenet of the ether theory) and finally chose B, the false one, as his 1905 second postulate. As a result, science became insane (died). > > Pentcho Valev The worst mistake of theoretical physics was quarks. Imagine how many Ph. D candidates wasted so many person-years memorizing useless quantum chromodynamics. Their gullibility, obedience, loyalty, and obsequiousness is often rewarded. That was a tragic waste of talent. It continues, enforced by the traditions of administrators.
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| From | "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-01-22 11:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f5228fc9-ce0f-49bd-9717-de26d1662f68@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #406379 |
Alan Folmsbee wrote The worst mistake of theoretical physics was quarks. Imagine how many Ph. D candidates wasted so many person-years memorizing useless quantum chromodynamics. Their gullibility, obedience, loyalty, and obsequiousness is often rewarded. That was a tragic waste of talent. It continues, enforced by the traditions of administrators. I think I agree. Quarks work as a valid mathematical tool, but only because of a misconception of the geometry of space time Quarks seem more like just a reflection in a mirror they are mistakenly counting Multiple Times.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2017-01-23 06:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <eelibnFor3hU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #406379 |
Am 22.01.2017 20:04, schrieb Alan Folmsbee: > On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 11:22:53 AM UTC-10, Pentcho Valev wrote: >> What Was The Worst Mistake Ever Made In Theoretical Physics? http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/01/20/what-was-the-worst-mistake-ever-made-in-theoretical-physics/ >> >> My reply in Forbes: >> >> The worst mistake in theoretical physics is undoubtedly Einstein's 1905 false constant-speed-of-light postulate. Of the following two statements one is absolutely true, the other is false: >> >> (A) The speed of light depends on the speed of the light source. >> >> (B) The speed of light is independent of the speed of the light source. >> >> Einstein hesitated between A (a tenet of Newton's emission theory of light) and B (a tenet of the ether theory) and finally chose B, the false one, as his 1905 second postulate. As a result, science became insane (died). >> >> Pentcho Valev > > The worst mistake of theoretical physics was quarks. Imagine > how many Ph. D candidates wasted so many person-years memorizing > useless quantum chromodynamics. Their gullibility, obedience, > loyalty, and obsequiousness is often rewarded. That was > a tragic waste of talent. It continues, enforced by the > traditions of administrators. You put the scheme into very precise words: "Their gullibility, obedience, loyalty, and obsequiousness is often rewarded." So "useless quantum chromodynamics" was NOT useless at all, since it is apparently useful for brainwashing and for finding out, who is is loyal (and gullible). I often had the feeling, there is some entirely different physics hidden and only revealed to initiates. To get initiated, you need a Ph.D. in theoretical physics, which is a top-grade proof of loyalty, obedience, ability to learn and fitness of the brain. So QM trains more the 'brain muscles', rather than the actual 'sport'. This would be inevitable, if there is in fact hidden physics and you would try to exploit it, but need trained personal. You cannot train them with the real thing, since otherwise you could also announce your secrets on YouTube. You must rain them with something entirely useless, what the non-initiates cannot merge into anything useful on their own. TH
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