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| Started by | Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| First post | 2016-08-23 23:24 -0700 |
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The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-23 23:24 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 08:31 +0200
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-24 16:38 +1000
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-23 23:43 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-24 16:47 +1000
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 00:54 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-24 18:25 +1000
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 01:34 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-24 20:18 +1000
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 20:53 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-25 16:08 +1000
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 01:11 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-26 19:35 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-27 13:40 +1000
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-26 21:48 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-27 05:19 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 08:34 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:53 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-24 09:42 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 18:18 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-25 11:53 +1000
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 21:01 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-25 16:11 +1000
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:44 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 01:19 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 06:18 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 22:14 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:36 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 17:58 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-25 18:47 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 19:36 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-25 20:20 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 15:14 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-26 20:44 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 08:33 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:08 +0200
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:48 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:54 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-24 18:00 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:34 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 02:46 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-24 07:22 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:56 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-24 18:02 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-24 11:36 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 18:03 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 02:50 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:07 +0200
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:38 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 20:40 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 04:01 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-26 19:54 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:32 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:46 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:52 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-27 09:20 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 10:59 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 16:30 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-27 18:38 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 20:45 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-27 22:06 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 00:01 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-28 21:26 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 04:55 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-29 19:20 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 19:33 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 20:00 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 11:34 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 09:56 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-06 18:54 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 19:59 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-06 20:07 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-06 21:47 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Python <python@org.invalid> - 2016-09-07 10:41 +0200
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 07:45 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-10 19:07 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 17:49 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-11 18:02 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 20:08 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-12 00:48 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:34 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-06 19:40 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-06 19:21 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 07:32 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-07 19:38 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:20 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-08 11:10 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 11:27 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-27 23:57 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-23 23:39 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:12 +0200
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-24 02:41 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:50 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 02:48 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:40 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:33 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-02 19:00 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:45 -0500
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:43 -0700
Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:59 -0700
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Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-26 20:37 -0700
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 11:53 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e271coF54qtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #390813 |
On 25/08/2016 11:18 AM, Peter Riedt wrote: > On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 12:42:21 AM UTC+8, Gary Harnagel > wrote: >> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 8:53:29 AM UTC-6, Prokaryotic >> Caspase Homolog wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 3:34:54 AM UTC-5, Peter Riedt >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 4:25:22 PM UTC+8, Sylvia Else >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It requires knowledge of the central mass. You claim that >>>>> your theory does not. >>>>> >>>>> Sylvia. >>>> >>>> The masses of the sun and Jupiter are well known. Perhaps you >>>> could do it to see if my calculations are similar. If they >>>> differ you may be right that I am wrong. >>> >>> But you claim not to need those masses to perform your >>> calculations. >>> >>> SHOW YOUR WORK. >> >> I suspect that he calculates all the orbits from the period and >> radius of one orbiting body. This gives him the value of GM >> without realizing it, or if he does realize it, he is cheating, as >> you said. > > I calculated a, t and v of all the planets and satellites in my > examples separately by the same method using my gravity theory. I > first derived all a's knowing only the individual t's, then derived > all t's knowing only the individual a's, then derived the v's knowing > the individual a's and t's. > > If no one can do it with the mathematics of GR, GR will be proved a > hairy-fairy highfalutin nonsense. > You cannot calculate the semi-major axis from just the orbital period, because the result will also depend on the central mass. If you're actually calculating your results, you're either deluding yourself about using the central mass, or are doing something that takes the central mass into account without realising it. Until you provide details, we can't tell which. Sylvia.
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| From | Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 21:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6ddcf2b7-bb01-42a9-aea4-16cd1b007336@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390816 |
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 9:53:31 AM UTC+8, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 25/08/2016 11:18 AM, Peter Riedt wrote: > > On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 12:42:21 AM UTC+8, Gary Harnagel > > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 8:53:29 AM UTC-6, Prokaryotic > >> Caspase Homolog wrote: > >>> > >>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 3:34:54 AM UTC-5, Peter Riedt > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 4:25:22 PM UTC+8, Sylvia Else > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> It requires knowledge of the central mass. You claim that > >>>>> your theory does not. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sylvia. > >>>> > >>>> The masses of the sun and Jupiter are well known. Perhaps you > >>>> could do it to see if my calculations are similar. If they > >>>> differ you may be right that I am wrong. > >>> > >>> But you claim not to need those masses to perform your > >>> calculations. > >>> > >>> SHOW YOUR WORK. > >> > >> I suspect that he calculates all the orbits from the period and > >> radius of one orbiting body. This gives him the value of GM > >> without realizing it, or if he does realize it, he is cheating, as > >> you said. > > > > I calculated a, t and v of all the planets and satellites in my > > examples separately by the same method using my gravity theory. I > > first derived all a's knowing only the individual t's, then derived > > all t's knowing only the individual a's, then derived the v's knowing > > the individual a's and t's. > > > > If no one can do it with the mathematics of GR, GR will be proved a > > hairy-fairy highfalutin nonsense. > > > > You cannot calculate the semi-major axis from just the orbital period, > because the result will also depend on the central mass. If you're > actually calculating your results, you're either deluding yourself about > using the central mass, or are doing something that takes the central > mass into account without realising it. > > Until you provide details, we can't tell which. > > Sylvia. Maybe I have discovered something that was not know about gravity before. Should I disclose the Riedt Gravity Theory? Maybe not.
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 16:11 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e27ggoF8ahgU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #390823 |
On 25/08/2016 2:01 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: > On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 9:53:31 AM UTC+8, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 25/08/2016 11:18 AM, Peter Riedt wrote: >>> On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 12:42:21 AM UTC+8, Gary Harnagel >>> wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 8:53:29 AM UTC-6, Prokaryotic >>>> Caspase Homolog wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 3:34:54 AM UTC-5, Peter >>>>> Riedt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 4:25:22 PM UTC+8, Sylvia >>>>>> Else wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It requires knowledge of the central mass. You claim >>>>>>> that your theory does not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>> >>>>>> The masses of the sun and Jupiter are well known. Perhaps >>>>>> you could do it to see if my calculations are similar. If >>>>>> they differ you may be right that I am wrong. >>>>> >>>>> But you claim not to need those masses to perform your >>>>> calculations. >>>>> >>>>> SHOW YOUR WORK. >>>> >>>> I suspect that he calculates all the orbits from the period >>>> and radius of one orbiting body. This gives him the value of >>>> GM without realizing it, or if he does realize it, he is >>>> cheating, as you said. >>> >>> I calculated a, t and v of all the planets and satellites in my >>> examples separately by the same method using my gravity theory. >>> I first derived all a's knowing only the individual t's, then >>> derived all t's knowing only the individual a's, then derived the >>> v's knowing the individual a's and t's. >>> >>> If no one can do it with the mathematics of GR, GR will be proved >>> a hairy-fairy highfalutin nonsense. >>> >> >> You cannot calculate the semi-major axis from just the orbital >> period, because the result will also depend on the central mass. If >> you're actually calculating your results, you're either deluding >> yourself about using the central mass, or are doing something that >> takes the central mass into account without realising it. >> >> Until you provide details, we can't tell which. >> >> Sylvia. > > Maybe I have discovered something that was not know about gravity > before. Should I disclose the Riedt Gravity Theory? Maybe not. > > No, you haven't discovered something that was not known. The force due to gravity is a function of mass - changing the central mass changes the force, and thus the orbital period for a given semi-major axis. No theory that omits mass as a parameter can possibly be correct. This should be obvious. Sylvia.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 08:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npmso2$1ll1$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390823 |
On 8/24/2016 11:01 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: > Maybe I have discovered something that was not know about gravity before. > Should I disclose the Riedt Gravity Theory? Maybe not. Peter, whether you disclose it or not is up to you. But if you choose not, then also don't bother speaking the claim that you have. Once you claim you have, you should put up or shut up. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 01:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1db1f216-744a-44b5-8d50-51670c70aef5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390816 |
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 9:53:31 AM UTC+8, Sylvia Else wrote: > > You cannot calculate the semi-major axis from just the orbital period, > because the result will also depend on the central mass. If you're > actually calculating your results, you're either deluding yourself about > using the central mass, or are doing something that takes the central > mass into account without realising it. > Each semi major axis and orbital time of the nine planets already take the central mass into account. It does not need in my theory to be duplicated. It is a new paradigm.
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| From | Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 06:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <697ee87f-7222-4b7a-af2d-df43716e76a3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390834 |
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:19:17 AM UTC-5, Peter Riedt wrote: > On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 9:53:31 AM UTC+8, Sylvia Else wrote: > > > > You cannot calculate the semi-major axis from just the orbital period, > > because the result will also depend on the central mass. If you're > > actually calculating your results, you're either deluding yourself about > > using the central mass, or are doing something that takes the central > > mass into account without realising it. > > > > Each semi major axis and orbital time of the nine planets already take the central mass into account. It does not need in my theory to be duplicated. It is a new paradigm. No, it is a stupid merging of terms that are best kept separate, if one wants formulas that can be applied to multiple systems. You obviously need to generate a new set of formulas for each gravitationally bound system that you want to calculate numbers for.
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| From | Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 22:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bfbd1200-5237-434b-9837-09e79a56e85d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390856 |
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 9:18:32 PM UTC+8, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote: > On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:19:17 AM UTC-5, Peter Riedt wrote: > > On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 9:53:31 AM UTC+8, Sylvia Else wrote: > > > > > > You cannot calculate the semi-major axis from just the orbital period, > > > because the result will also depend on the central mass. If you're > > > actually calculating your results, you're either deluding yourself about > > > using the central mass, or are doing something that takes the central > > > mass into account without realising it. > > > > > > > Each semi major axis and orbital time of the nine planets already take the central mass into account. It does not need in my theory to be duplicated. It is a new paradigm. > > No, it is a stupid merging of terms that are best kept separate, if one wants > formulas that can be applied to multiple systems. > > You obviously need to generate a new set of formulas for each gravitationally > bound system that you want to calculate numbers for. Kepler's, Huygen.s, Newton's and Cavendish's laws equally apply to the solar system and specifically to the nine planets and the eight Jovian moons in my examples.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 08:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npms8o$1klh$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390813 |
On 8/24/2016 8:18 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: > I first derived all a's knowing only the individual t's, then derived all t's knowing only the individual a's, You don't see the problem here? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 17:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4d0eb35f-67a5-49cd-beb0-7011b38aa262@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390861 |
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 9:36:27 PM UTC+8, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/24/2016 8:18 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: > > I first derived all a's knowing only the individual t's, then derived all t's knowing only the individual a's, > > You don't see the problem here? > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables I don't see a problem here but a problem with GR. It cannot predict/calculate a, t and v of planets. Your claim that it can should be practically demonstrated by you or the 'experts' in this newsgroup. A reference to textbooks doesn't help. They are good only for parrots.
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| From | "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 18:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8930af4a-2be6-431f-aef1-791b15722f9d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390938 |
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 5:58:33 PM UTC-7, Peter Riedt wrote: > A reference to textbooks doesn't help. Why Peter? Because you are born a cretin and will die one?
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| From | Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 19:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b00df004-ad20-46e6-b873-cff62705b313@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390939 |
On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 9:48:02 AM UTC+8, Dono, wrote: > On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 5:58:33 PM UTC-7, Peter Riedt wrote: > > A reference to textbooks doesn't help. > > Why Peter? Because you are born a cretin and will die one? You get the basics from textbooks but then you must progress and think for yourself. Otherwise you are a parrot only able to repeat what told.
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| From | "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 20:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d3a012cf-b790-4e9b-a35e-b3bd58ea0b7d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390954 |
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 7:36:29 PM UTC-7, Peter Riedt wrote: > On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 9:48:02 AM UTC+8, Dono, wrote: > > On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 5:58:33 PM UTC-7, Peter Riedt wrote: > > > A reference to textbooks doesn't help. > > > > Why Peter? Because you are born a cretin and will die one? > > You get the basics from textbooks but then you must progress and think for yourself. The problem is that you are UNABLE to think for yourself, Peter. You are an autistic imbecile, steeped in denying SR/GR because you are a racist. Live with it.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-26 15:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npq7up$1baa$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390938 |
On 8/25/2016 7:58 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: > I don't see a problem here but a problem with GR. It cannot predict/calculate > a, t and v of planets. Your claim that it can should be practically demonstrated > by you or the 'experts' in this newsgroup. A reference to textbooks doesn't help. > They are good only for parrots. Maybe you could explain to me, Peter, why your reading here how to calculate numbers in GR is not for parrots and why your reading in a book how to calculate numbers in GR is just for parrots. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-26 20:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <dd88aec9-bf13-481e-8743-b3fe5d5193fa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390999 |
On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 4:14:20 AM UTC+8, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/25/2016 7:58 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: > > I don't see a problem here but a problem with GR. It cannot predict/calculate > > a, t and v of planets. Your claim that it can should be practically demonstrated > > by you or the 'experts' in this newsgroup. A reference to textbooks doesn't help. > > They are good only for parrots. > > Maybe you could explain to me, Peter, why your reading here how to > calculate numbers in GR is not for parrots and why your reading in a > book how to calculate numbers in GR is just for parrots. > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables I am saying parrots can only refer to text books, they cannot think for themselves. Furthermore, my calculations are simple and there should be no need to hide behind higher maths as used by the high priest of science.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-06 08:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nqmgit$17pf$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #391030 |
On 8/26/2016 10:44 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: > On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 4:14:20 AM UTC+8, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 8/25/2016 7:58 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: >>> I don't see a problem here but a problem with GR. It cannot predict/calculate >>> a, t and v of planets. Your claim that it can should be practically demonstrated >>> by you or the 'experts' in this newsgroup. A reference to textbooks doesn't help. >>> They are good only for parrots. >> >> Maybe you could explain to me, Peter, why your reading here how to >> calculate numbers in GR is not for parrots and why your reading in a >> book how to calculate numbers in GR is just for parrots. >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > I am saying parrots can only refer to text books, they cannot think for themselves. This is ridiculous. You are saying that the only way to think for yourself is to avoid books, and that reading books would prevent you from thinking for yourself? Are you claiming that those innovative physicists who made revolutionary advances in physics all avoided reading books, so that they could think for themselves? > Furthermore, my calculations are simple and there should be no need to hide behind > higher maths as used by the high priest of science. > Simple does not equate to correct. Furthermore, you seem to say that having some specialized skill is only invoked by "priests". So do you think that knowing a computer language should not be required to be a software engineer? Do you think that knowing the laws should not be required to be a lawyer? Wishing things to be a certain way does not make them so. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 11:08 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <npjo6u$5rv$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #390729 |
On 08/24/2016 09:54 AM, Peter Riedt wrote: > It is above my and everybody's ability but his theories are supported by the collusion of political correctness. Do not measure abilities of others by your own.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 07:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npk520$1c10$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390729 |
On 8/24/2016 2:54 AM, Peter Riedt wrote: > I agree in principle. Wikipedia: "The Einstein field equations are nonlinear > and very difficult to solve. Einstein used approximation methods in working out > initial predictions of the theory. But as early as 1916, the astrophysicist > Karl Schwarzschild found the first non-trivial exact solution to the Einstein > field equations, the Schwarzschild metric". > > It is above my Yes. > and everybody's ability No. There are lots of people who can do this. You can't, but don't drag everyone else down to your level. > but his theories are supported by the collusion of political correctness. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 17:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <afef02a4-e515-4871-aebe-cd7b54d28d08@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390746 |
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 8:48:03 PM UTC+8, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/24/2016 2:54 AM, Peter Riedt wrote: > > I agree in principle. Wikipedia: "The Einstein field equations are nonlinear > > and very difficult to solve. Einstein used approximation methods in working out > > initial predictions of the theory. But as early as 1916, the astrophysicist > > Karl Schwarzschild found the first non-trivial exact solution to the Einstein > > field equations, the Schwarzschild metric". > > > > It is above my > > Yes. > > > and everybody's ability > > No. There are lots of people who can do this. You can't, but don't drag > everyone else down to your level. > > > but his theories are supported by the collusion of political correctness. > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables Of the billions of humans only one was able to understand Einstein's GR equations. Schwarzschild.
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| From | "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 18:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <920e04f6-d754-4753-b67b-f3a5b5071bb4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390806 |
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 5:54:11 PM UTC-7, Peter Riedt wrote: >Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > Of the billions of humans only one was able to understand Einstein's GR equations. Schwarzschild. Actually. there are tens of thousands that understand it. The fact that you are one of the cretins who can't is your problem.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 08:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npms5r$1klh$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390806 |
On 8/24/2016 7:54 PM, Peter Riedt wrote: > Of the billions of humans only one was able to understand Einstein's GR equations. Schwarzschild. Oh, Peter. This is what you drew from one paragraph of a Wikipedia article? Really? Go to Amazon.com and type in general relativity in the search box. Count the book listings. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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