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Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons
Date 2016-08-25 11:53 +1000
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On 25/08/2016 11:18 AM, Peter Riedt wrote:
> On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 12:42:21 AM UTC+8, Gary Harnagel
> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 8:53:29 AM UTC-6, Prokaryotic
>> Caspase Homolog wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 3:34:54 AM UTC-5, Peter Riedt
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 4:25:22 PM UTC+8, Sylvia Else
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It requires knowledge of the central mass. You claim that
>>>>> your theory does not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> The masses of the sun and Jupiter are well known. Perhaps you
>>>> could do it to see if my calculations are similar. If they
>>>> differ you may be right that I am wrong.
>>>
>>> But you claim not to need those masses to perform your
>>> calculations.
>>>
>>> SHOW YOUR WORK.
>>
>> I suspect that he calculates all the orbits from the period and
>> radius of one orbiting body.  This gives him the value of GM
>> without realizing it, or if he does realize it, he is cheating, as
>> you said.
>
> I calculated a, t and v of all the planets and satellites in my
> examples separately by the same method using my gravity theory. I
> first derived all a's knowing only the  individual t's, then derived
> all t's knowing only the individual a's, then derived the v's knowing
> the individual a's and t's.
>
> If no one can do it with the mathematics of GR, GR will be proved a
> hairy-fairy highfalutin nonsense.
>

You cannot calculate the semi-major axis from just the orbital period, 
because the result will also depend on the central mass. If you're 
actually calculating your results, you're either deluding yourself about 
using the central mass, or are doing something that takes the central 
mass into account without realising it.

Until you provide details, we can't tell which.

Sylvia.

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The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-23 23:24 -0700
  Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 08:31 +0200
  Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-24 16:38 +1000
    Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-23 23:43 -0700
      Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-24 16:47 +1000
        Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 00:54 -0700
          Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-24 18:25 +1000
            Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 01:34 -0700
              Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-24 20:18 +1000
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 20:53 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-25 16:08 +1000
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 01:11 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-26 19:35 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-27 13:40 +1000
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-26 21:48 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-27 05:19 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 08:34 -0500
              Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:53 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-24 09:42 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 18:18 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-25 11:53 +1000
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 21:01 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-08-25 16:11 +1000
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:44 -0500
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 01:19 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 06:18 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 22:14 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:36 -0500
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 17:58 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-25 18:47 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 19:36 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-25 20:20 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 15:14 -0500
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-26 20:44 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 08:33 -0500
          Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:08 +0200
          Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:48 -0500
            Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:54 -0700
              Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-24 18:00 -0700
              Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:34 -0500
            Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 02:46 -0700
          Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-24 07:22 -0700
            Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:56 -0700
              Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-24 18:02 -0700
          Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-24 11:36 -0500
            Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 18:03 -0700
            Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 02:50 -0700
      Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:07 +0200
        Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:38 -0700
          Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 20:40 -0700
            Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 04:01 -0700
              Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-26 19:54 -0700
          Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:32 -0500
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      Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:52 -0700
    Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-27 09:20 -0700
      Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 10:59 -0700
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          Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-27 18:38 -0700
            Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 20:45 -0700
              Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-27 22:06 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 00:01 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-28 21:26 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 04:55 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-29 19:20 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 19:33 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-29 20:00 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 11:34 -0500
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 09:56 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-06 18:54 -0700
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                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 07:45 -0500
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-10 19:07 -0700
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                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-11 18:02 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 20:08 -0500
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-12 00:48 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:34 -0500
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                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-06 19:21 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 07:32 -0500
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-07 19:38 -0700
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:20 -0500
                Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-08 11:10 -0700
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              Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-27 23:57 -0700
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    Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:12 +0200
      Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-24 02:41 -0700
      Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:50 -0500
        Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 02:48 -0700
      Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:40 -0700
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  Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:45 -0500
  Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:43 -0700
    Re: The trajectory parameters a, t and v of some of Jupiter's moons Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 17:59 -0700
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