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Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS

Started bykenseto <setoken@att.net>
First post2016-08-06 09:24 -0700
Last post2016-08-22 06:06 -0700
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  Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-06 09:24 -0700
    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 16:09 -0500
      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-06 14:40 -0700
        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 17:29 -0500
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-07 06:29 -0700
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 13:21 -0500
              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-09 05:49 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 08:14 -0500
                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-10 05:56 -0700
                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 08:59 -0500
                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-10 08:30 -0700
                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 10:58 -0500
                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 09:14 -0700
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 11:48 -0500
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 10:27 -0700
                                Stephane Baune fraud eats shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-10 10:30 -0700
                                  Re: Stephane Baune fraud eats shit rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 14:00 -0700
                                    Re: Stephane Baune fraud eats shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-10 22:37 -0700
                                      Re: Stephane Baune fraud eats shit rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 07:13 -0700
                                        Re: Stephane Baune fraud eats shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-21 14:04 -0700
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Larry Harson <johnmcandrew66@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 13:23 -0700
                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 15:58 -0500
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-10 21:42 +0000
                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 16:50 -0500
                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-11 07:19 -0700
                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 09:48 -0500
                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-11 15:58 -0700
                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 19:13 -0500
                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-12 06:06 -0700
                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 19:24 -0500
                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-12 06:17 -0700
                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 08:29 -0500
                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-12 06:46 -0700
                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 10:47 -0500
                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-13 06:16 -0700
                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 11:46 -0500
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Larry Harson <johnmcandrew66@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 11:30 -0700
                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-13 07:36 -0700
                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 08:16 -0700
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-10 21:21 +0000
                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 16:46 -0500
                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-10 14:31 -0700
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 16:48 -0500
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-11 07:14 -0700
                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 09:52 -0500
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-11 15:48 -0700
                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 19:11 -0500
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-07 06:39 -0700
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 13:22 -0500
    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-06 21:54 -0500
      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-07 06:27 +0200
        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 08:38 -0500
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-07 23:12 +0200
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 10:07 -0500
              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-08 23:12 +0200
        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-07 09:52 -0500
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 13:28 -0500
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-08 06:40 +0200
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-08 07:14 -0500
              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-08 22:58 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 16:42 -0500
                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-09 08:29 +0200
                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-09 04:37 -0700
                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-09 23:47 +0200
                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-09 15:32 -0700
                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 08:27 -0500
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-10 19:48 +0200
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 13:17 -0500
                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-10 21:34 +0200
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 16:06 -0500
                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-11 06:01 +0200
                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-16 23:23 +0200
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-16 14:48 -0700
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-17 08:07 +1000
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 17:33 -0500
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-19 02:45 +0200
                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 07:30 -0500
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-21 07:12 +0200
                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:41 -0500
                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-22 06:02 +0200
                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-21 21:47 -0700
                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 08:47 -0500
                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-22 23:47 +0200
                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 15:04 -0700
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-17 06:56 +0200
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-18 08:04 +0200
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 13:51 -0500
                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-19 06:30 +1000
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-18 16:55 -0400
                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-20 08:29 +1000
                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-20 06:12 +0200
                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-21 08:59 +1000
                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-21 06:51 +0200
                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-21 19:19 +1000
                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-21 04:35 -0700
                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-22 06:34 +1000
                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-21 22:50 +0200
                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-23 06:14 +1000
                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-23 22:38 +0200
                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-24 11:19 +1000
                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-24 07:37 +0200
                                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 04:23 +1000
                                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 04:26 +1000
                                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-25 22:14 +0200
                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 08:29 +1000
                                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-27 10:01 +0200
                                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 05:36 +1000
                                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-29 03:55 +0200
                                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 20:24 +1000
                                                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-30 21:34 +0200
                                                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-31 06:46 +1000
                                                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-31 09:17 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-01 19:51 +1000
                                                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-01 18:26 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-02 11:50 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-01 21:04 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-03 09:07 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-03 07:05 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-04 07:52 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-04 05:20 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-05 09:20 +1000
                                                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-05 22:04 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-06 09:22 +1000
                                                                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 20:34 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-06 07:15 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-07 05:23 +1000
                                                                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-06 22:15 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-08 13:07 +1000
                                                                                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-08 22:24 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-09 08:43 +1000
                                                                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-09 06:53 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:28 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-10 01:07 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-11 00:08 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-09 06:50 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-10 06:16 +1000
                                                                                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-09 19:21 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-10 13:23 +1000
                                                                                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-10 03:58 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-12 07:39 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-12 06:11 -0700
                                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-25 07:55 +0200
                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:59 -0500
                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-22 03:35 -0700
                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-23 06:19 +1000
                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:42 -0500
                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:38 -0500
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 16:37 -0500
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 17:33 -0500
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 18:42 -0700
                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-19 07:45 +0200
                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 07:12 -0500
                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-16 23:13 +0200
                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-28 20:40 +0200
                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-28 11:55 -0700
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 05:18 +1000
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 17:05 -0700
                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-29 04:08 +0200
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 22:15 -0700
                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-30 08:38 +0200
                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-31 05:43 +1000
                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-30 22:21 +0200
                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-31 06:38 +1000
                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-31 09:34 +0200
                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-01 19:43 +1000
                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 00:15 -0700
      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-07 07:21 -0700
        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-07 13:24 -0500
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-09 06:08 -0700
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 08:15 -0500
              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-10 05:59 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 09:00 -0500
      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-08-12 09:51 -0700
        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 12:18 -0500
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-08-12 11:37 -0700
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-12 19:33 -0500
              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 13:16 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 06:04 -0700
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-16 03:40 -0700
        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-12 17:33 -0500
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-08-12 19:19 -0700
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 06:45 -0700
              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-13 23:14 -0500
              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-15 13:58 +0200
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-13 15:44 -0500
              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-08-14 12:25 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 16:44 -0700
                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-14 18:04 -0700
                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-08-14 23:25 -0700
                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 08:52 -0700
                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-15 10:25 -0700
                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 12:31 -0700
                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-15 22:04 +0200
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Python <python@org.invalid> - 2016-08-16 12:25 +0200
                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-16 06:10 -0700
                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-16 12:09 -0700
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 13:11 -0700
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-16 14:57 -0700
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-16 15:16 -0700
                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-19 12:38 -0700
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-19 19:41 -0500
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-16 16:50 -0500
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 13:53 -0500
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-18 16:50 -0400
                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 16:38 -0500
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-18 23:39 -0400
                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 07:39 -0500
                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 13:27 -0500
                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-08-15 12:57 -0700
                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-16 08:28 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-14 22:05 -0500
                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-08-15 00:05 -0700
                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-16 09:12 +1000
                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-16 10:10 -0500
                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-17 08:45 +1000
                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-17 13:59 +0000
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-17 17:19 +0200
                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-18 08:24 +1000
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-18 06:20 +0000
                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-18 15:06 +0200
                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-19 06:58 +1000
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-18 20:12 -0700
                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-19 18:19 +0200
                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-20 08:38 +1000
                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-20 12:57 +0200
                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-21 09:10 +1000
                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 06:23 -0700
                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-21 21:28 +0200
                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-22 06:44 +1000
                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-22 20:58 +0200
                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-23 06:29 +1000
                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 14:08 -0700
                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-23 08:35 +1000
                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 06:13 -0700
                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-22 23:44 +0200
                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-23 08:49 +1000
                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-23 19:07 +0200
                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-24 06:57 +1000
                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 04:51 -0700
                                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-24 05:23 -0700
                                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 06:15 -0700
                                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-26 06:06 +1000
                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:28 -0700
                                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 08:34 +1000
                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 20:23 +0200
                                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-26 06:40 +1000
                                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 14:11 -0700
                                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-25 23:43 -0700
                                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 08:38 +1000
                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 16:15 -0700
                                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 05:11 +1000
                                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-29 15:46 +0200
                                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-30 05:14 +1000
                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-29 17:47 -0700
                                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-31 20:52 -0500
                                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-31 21:49 -0700
                                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-09-01 06:32 -0700
                                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-02 08:49 +1000
                                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 16:24 -0700
                                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-01 20:44 -0500
                                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-02 03:20 -0700
                                                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 07:24 -0700
                                                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-04 07:55 +1000
                                                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 15:11 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-05 08:43 +1000
                                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-03 09:22 +1000
                                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-01 20:21 +1000
                                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-01 13:30 -0500
                                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-03 19:29 +1000
                                                                            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-03 06:42 -0700
                                                                              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-04 18:51 +1000
                                                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-04 03:19 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-05 09:25 +1000
                                                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-05 08:48 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-06 09:25 +1000
                                                                                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-04 08:33 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-05 09:29 +1000
                                                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-05 04:54 -0700
                                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-30 22:13 +0200
                                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-31 06:54 +1000
                                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-31 09:31 +0200
                                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-03 11:11 +1000
                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 04:36 -0700
                                                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 18:55 -0500
                                                        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 04:43 -0700
                                                          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 07:10 -0700
                                                  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-23 07:43 -0500
                                                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-24 07:00 +1000
                    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-16 10:40 -0500
                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-16 11:20 -0700
                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-16 17:54 -0700
                      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-18 06:22 -0700
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-13 06:45 -0700
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 11:41 -0700
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 12:21 -0700
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-19 12:24 -0700
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 12:40 -0700
              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-19 12:58 -0700
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-22 13:45 -0500
              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 13:27 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:59 -0700
        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-13 06:27 -0700
        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-16 13:01 -0700
        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-21 14:09 -0700
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 04:16 -0700
            Ignorant Raving Crackpot back to what he does best: shit eating "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-22 06:06 -0700

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#389521

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-08 16:42 -0500
Message-ID<noauc2$1qtd$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#389515
On 8/8/2016 3:58 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 08.08.2016 14:14, schrieb Tom Roberts:
>
>> There's no point in just making stuff up and pretending it is true. You
>> need to LEARN what we mean by this.
>
> Since you are no teacher and I'm not in school, I have the right to
> 'make things up', if I wish to do so.

To what end?

>
> But in case you are in fact a teacher (or would like to apply for such a
> job), you should behave like a teacher and tell, what in particular you
> do not like.

If you want to ask a teacher to provide that service, are you not 
obligated to pay tuition? Teachers do not behave like teachers on 
demand, for free, to anyone who asks.

>
> It does not help too much, if you complain about the stupidity of your
> students, if you not able to tell, what were the mistakes.\

I don't think you can claim status of student without paying tuition.

>
> TH


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#389557

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-08-09 08:29 +0200
Message-ID<e0tbj3F56t0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#389521
Am 08.08.2016 23:42, schrieb Odd Bodkin:

>> But in case you are in fact a teacher (or would like to apply for such a
>> job), you should behave like a teacher and tell, what in particular you
>> do not like.
>
> If you want to ask a teacher to provide that service, are you not
> obligated to pay tuition? Teachers do not behave like teachers on
> demand, for free, to anyone who asks.
>
>>
>> It does not help too much, if you complain about the stupidity of your
>> students, if you not able to tell, what were the mistakes.\
>
> I don't think you can claim status of student without paying tuition.
>

The concept of paid schools is kind of alien in the German society. 
Usually public schools and universities are free.

There exist private schools, of course, and those need to be paid. But 
as a rule of thumb, schools are free.

But writing into UseNet groups isn't even remotely like a school. And 
certainly I neither wait for tuition and definitely do not want to pay for.

So you may read my valuable contributions to the progress of mankind for 
absolutely no charge whatsoever. And in return you will not be paid 
neither.


TH

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#389563

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-08-09 04:37 -0700
Message-ID<4521f162-a75f-41af-982b-1b91f25b0481@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#389557
On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 12:29:59 AM UTC-6, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 08.08.2016 23:42, schrieb Odd Bodkin:
> 
> The concept of paid schools is kind of alien in the German society. 
> Usually public schools and universities are free.

Are you implying that German teachers work for free? :-)

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#389619

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-08-09 23:47 +0200
Message-ID<e0v1auFi9erU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#389563
Am 09.08.2016 13:37, schrieb Gary Harnagel:

>> The concept of paid schools is kind of alien in the German society.
>> Usually public schools and universities are free.
>
> Are you implying that German teachers work for free? :-)
>

Sure, the teachers get paid. But pupils do not pay.

The reason: schools are among those public services, people usually 
expect in return for their taxes.

There are also no fees for highways, bridges or tunnels, since the 
streets have already been paid by the taxpayer.

To charge entrance fees for schools would be a little unfair for the kids.

TH

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#389625

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-08-09 15:32 -0700
Message-ID<c4579af7-7df1-4e77-bc39-0ba6f5354177@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#389619
On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 3:47:14 PM UTC-6, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 09.08.2016 13:37, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
> >
> > > The concept of paid schools is kind of alien in the German society.
> > > Usually public schools and universities are free.
> >
> > Are you implying that German teachers work for free? :-)
> 
> Sure, the teachers get paid. But pupils do not pay.

Of course they do, or their parents do.  You seem to have an entitlement
attitude.

> The reason: schools are among those public services, people usually 
> expect in return for their taxes.

Exactly, so people do indeed pay for schooling.  You seem to have an
entitlement attitude.

> There are also no fees for highways, bridges or tunnels, since the 
> streets have already been paid by the taxpayer.

Which means people pay for those services.  You seem to have an entitlement
attitude.

> To charge entrance fees for schools would be a little unfair for the kids.
> 
> TH

When I went to elementary school, my parents paid the "tuition" directly.

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#389696

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-10 08:27 -0500
Message-ID<nofa4t$1r87$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#389625
On 8/9/2016 5:32 PM, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 3:47:14 PM UTC-6, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>> Am 09.08.2016 13:37, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
>>>
>>>> The concept of paid schools is kind of alien in the German society.
>>>> Usually public schools and universities are free.
>>>
>>> Are you implying that German teachers work for free? :-)
>>
>> Sure, the teachers get paid. But pupils do not pay.
>
> Of course they do, or their parents do.  You seem to have an entitlement
> attitude.
>
>> The reason: schools are among those public services, people usually
>> expect in return for their taxes.
>
> Exactly, so people do indeed pay for schooling.  You seem to have an
> entitlement attitude.
>
>> There are also no fees for highways, bridges or tunnels, since the
>> streets have already been paid by the taxpayer.
>
> Which means people pay for those services.  You seem to have an entitlement
> attitude.
>
>> To charge entrance fees for schools would be a little unfair for the kids.
>>
>> TH
>
> When I went to elementary school, my parents paid the "tuition" directly.
>

I think the main point here is that, though Tom Roberts is a teacher, 
he's not supported by the taxes from Thomas Heger's commununity. If 
Thomas Heger has the expectation that because education is free to the 
student in Germany, then anyone with a question about physics should be 
allowed to get an answer from German teachers, then he should pose that 
question to physics faculty in Germany. At least then he can make the 
argument that his citizenship in Germany should entitle him to that.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#389725

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-08-10 19:48 +0200
Message-ID<e117n5F3o7pU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#389696
Am 10.08.2016 15:27, schrieb Odd Bodkin:

>>>> Are you implying that German teachers work for free? :-)
>>>
>>> Sure, the teachers get paid. But pupils do not pay.
>>
>> Of course they do, or their parents do. You seem to have an entitlement
>> attitude.
>>
>>> The reason: schools are among those public services, people usually
>>> expect in return for their taxes.
>>
>> Exactly, so people do indeed pay for schooling. You seem to have an
>> entitlement attitude.
>>
>>> There are also no fees for highways, bridges or tunnels, since the
>>> streets have already been paid by the taxpayer.
>>
>> Which means people pay for those services. You seem to have an
>> entitlement
>> attitude.
>>
>>> To charge entrance fees for schools would be a little unfair for the
>>> kids.
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>> When I went to elementary school, my parents paid the "tuition" directly.
>>
>
> I think the main point here is that, though Tom Roberts is a teacher,
> he's not supported by the taxes from Thomas Heger's commununity. If
> Thomas Heger has the expectation that because education is free to the
> student in Germany, then anyone with a question about physics should be
> allowed to get an answer from German teachers, then he should pose that
> question to physics faculty in Germany. At least then he can make the
> argument that his citizenship in Germany should entitle him to that.
>

I do not want to pay Tom Roberts, because I meditate about the 
possibility, he's actually a disinformation agent and gets money from 
black funds.

Another possibility is, that 'Tom Roberts' is a pseudonym used by physic 
students from Pakistan, who earn a few bucks for writing nonsense into 
the UseNet.

Yet another possibility is, that the NSA has actually software to create 
natural sounding contributions to the social media and uses for this 
purpose certain 'persona'.

It is also possible, that he actually believes what he says, (what would 
be even worse).

So I quit trusting people from the Usenet and unless proven otherwise I 
regard them as hostile critters.


TH

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#389732

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-10 13:17 -0500
Message-ID<nofr3i$nij$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#389725
On 8/10/2016 12:48 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> I do not want to pay Tom Roberts, because I meditate about the
> possibility, he's actually a disinformation agent and gets money from
> black funds.
>
> Another possibility is, that 'Tom Roberts' is a pseudonym used by physic
> students from Pakistan, who earn a few bucks for writing nonsense into
> the UseNet.
>
> Yet another possibility is, that the NSA has actually software to create
> natural sounding contributions to the social media and uses for this
> purpose certain 'persona'.
>
> It is also possible, that he actually believes what he says, (what would
> be even worse).
>
> So I quit trusting people from the Usenet and unless proven otherwise I
> regard them as hostile critters.
>
>
> TH

OK, you were doing reasonably well until this post. Then you veered 
steeply into paranoia and unusual fantasies and conspiracy/persecution 
theories.

Here's what I would suggest. If you mistrust people on Usenet, then 
there is really no purpose in engaging with them in discussions. This 
means that you should find a different outlet for doing your 
"meditations" than Usenet. It is trivial and free, for example, to 
create a blog, where you can post your meditations in any way you like, 
and you will have complete control of any responses you get, including 
whether you want to disallow any responses at all. I don't see why you 
would continue to float your ideas in what you consider to be a hostile 
and threatening environment.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#389734

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-08-10 21:34 +0200
Message-ID<e11dv6F58mdU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#389732
Am 10.08.2016 20:17, schrieb Odd Bodkin:

>> I do not want to pay Tom Roberts, because I meditate about the
>> possibility, he's actually a disinformation agent and gets money from
>> black funds.
>>
>> Another possibility is, that 'Tom Roberts' is a pseudonym used by physic
>> students from Pakistan, who earn a few bucks for writing nonsense into
>> the UseNet.
>>
>> Yet another possibility is, that the NSA has actually software to create
>> natural sounding contributions to the social media and uses for this
>> purpose certain 'persona'.
>>
>> It is also possible, that he actually believes what he says, (what would
>> be even worse).
>>
>> So I quit trusting people from the Usenet and unless proven otherwise I
>> regard them as hostile critters.
>>
>>
>> TH
>
> OK, you were doing reasonably well until this post. Then you veered
> steeply into paranoia and unusual fantasies and conspiracy/persecution
> theories.


Well, actually I did that before. So I have developed my own set of 
'conspiracy theories'.

E.g. I think, that 'Hitler' was actually British and had the real 
identity 'Noel Trevenen Huxley'.

Or: the so called 'Hitler diaries' were actually scripts, fabricated by 
the MI6 front 'Tavistock Institute for Human Relations', which had at 
that time a different name and was called by its nickname 'Freud Hilton' 
(F.H.).

Or:  the book 'My Struggle' is the actual original and was later 
translated into (poor) German by that false Hitler and his buddy Hess.

The real Hitler (from Austria) was captured in Flanders and exchanged 
for a spy.

This spy was trained in Bavaria and lived in the house of Isolde Beidler 
in Munich, to were Julian Huxley took him in 1913.

> Here's what I would suggest. If you mistrust people on Usenet, then
> there is really no purpose in engaging with them in discussions.

Among  my friends I had a guy name 'Siegfried Schmidt', who used the 
pseudonym  'Sigbang'.

He was actually a physicist, but worked mainly as painter and musician.

Some years ago there was a flood of spam in the German UseNet 
physics-section, caused by a 'Siegfried Schmidt', who used the nickname 
'Sigbang'.

So I tried to address this persons attention, but failed.

So I wondered, how this could happen and found, these posts didn't come 
from my former friend. Reason: he was mainly artist and very 
short-sighted. So he avoided to write on the computer, if possible.

So how does this happen?

Actually I think, that UseNet content is in parts artificial, in parts 
disinformation and in parts from usual people, who want to learn 
something or want to discuss own ideas.

So, I don't mind, if I talk to a computer. It's just a hobby and it 
would bother me much if someone rejects my ideas.


TH

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#389745

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-10 16:06 -0500
Message-ID<nog50f$16s3$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#389734
On 8/10/2016 2:34 PM, Thomas Heger wrote frankly weird stuff....

[backs slowly away]


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#389762

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-08-11 06:01 +0200
Message-ID<e12bksFbkhqU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#389745
Am 10.08.2016 23:06, schrieb Odd Bodkin:
> On 8/10/2016 2:34 PM, Thomas Heger wrote frankly weird stuff....
>
> [backs slowly away]
>
I could actually understand that.

But I could also provide evidence, which would support my claims.

Here is a webpage, created by Paul Woods (aka 'Wollywoods'), who 
mentions my name and that of SigBang Siegfried Schmidt:

http://www.design-partners.org/wallywoods/diaries%202005%20jan%20thru%20april.htm

So I know this 'Sigbang' in person.

He left Berlin ten years ago and I have lost contact.

In the meantime someone used his identity in various forms and flooded 
the group de.sci.physik with spam.

Since the SigBang I know wouldn't do this, the spam came from other 
sources. Possibly it is artificial and actually stems from 
speach-generating software and from 'the usual suspects' (CIA, NSA, KGB, 
MI6, BND,....).


TH

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#390138

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-08-16 23:23 +0200
Message-ID<e1heivFubjuU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#389625
Am 10.08.2016 00:32, schrieb Gary Harnagel:

>>>> The concept of paid schools is kind of alien in the German society.
>>>> Usually public schools and universities are free.
>>>
>>> Are you implying that German teachers work for free? :-)
>>
>> Sure, the teachers get paid. But pupils do not pay.
>
> Of course they do, or their parents do.  You seem to have an entitlement
> attitude.


Students in school are actually kids, who have no income. So it would 
make no sense to demand money from kids, who don't have that money and 
who would not demand that service.

Schools are a typical community service, which is provided to the 
citizens by the state.

The municipal funds are filled by taxes, which the citizens pay.

But the taxes are not paid for schools or any other particular service, 
but as general income of the state.

>> The reason: schools are among those public services, people usually
>> expect in return for their taxes.
>
> Exactly, so people do indeed pay for schooling.  You seem to have an
> entitlement attitude.

No. Taxes are not paid for schools. Taxes are paid to maintain the 
various activities of the state and schools are only one part.

And you have to pay taxes, even if you have no kids in schools.

..
>
> When I went to elementary school, my parents paid the "tuition" directly.

And you think, that "tuition" was worth the money?


TH

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#390143

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-08-16 14:48 -0700
Message-ID<1c3ba94e-f906-438b-9066-ad946372b608@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#390138
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-6, Thomas Heger wrote:
>
> Am 10.08.2016 00:32, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
> >
> > T.H. wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure, the teachers get paid. But pupils do not pay.
> >
> > Of course they do, or their parents do.  You seem to have an entitlement
> > attitude.
> 
> 
> Students in school are actually kids, who have no income.

Wrong.  I went to school when I was 18 and paid my own tuition.

> So it would make no sense to demand money from kids, who don't have that
> money and who would not demand that service.
> 
> Schools are a typical community service, which is provided to the 
> citizens by the state.

And paid by tax money.

> The municipal funds are filled by taxes, which the citizens pay.
> 
> But the taxes are not paid for schools or any other particular service, 
> but as general income of the state.

Irrelevant babbling nonsense.  The only rational conclusion to be drawn
is that taxes pay for schools.

> > > The reason: schools are among those public services, people usually
> > > expect in return for their taxes.
> >
> > Exactly, so people do indeed pay for schooling.  You seem to have an
> > entitlement attitude.
> 
> No. Taxes are not paid for schools. Taxes are paid to maintain the 
> various activities of the state and schools are only one part.

So taxes pay for schools.  DUH!!

> And you have to pay taxes, even if you have no kids in schools.

Irrelevant, taxes pay for schools, people pay taxes, ergo, people pay
for schools.

> > When I went to elementary school, my parents paid the "tuition" directly.
> 
> And you think, that "tuition" was worth the money?
> 
> TH

At least >I< can think rationally, unlike yourself.

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#390148

From"HGW." <hw@....>
Date2016-08-17 08:07 +1000
Message-ID<np02q7$17t0$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#390143
On 17/08/16 07:48, Gary Harnagel wrote:


>> Students in school are actually kids, who have no income.
>
> Wrong.  I went to school when I was 18 and paid my own tuition.

So that explains why you are so backward.......

Most people start school at four.

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#390310

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-18 17:33 -0500
Message-ID<np5d40$74r$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#390138
On 8/16/2016 4:23 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 10.08.2016 00:32, schrieb Gary Harnagel:
>
>>>>> The concept of paid schools is kind of alien in the German society.
>>>>> Usually public schools and universities are free.
>>>>
>>>> Are you implying that German teachers work for free? :-)
>>>
>>> Sure, the teachers get paid. But pupils do not pay.
>>
>> Of course they do, or their parents do.  You seem to have an entitlement
>> attitude.
>
>
> Students in school are actually kids, who have no income. So it would
> make no sense to demand money from kids, who don't have that money and
> who would not demand that service.

For 10-year-olds, I agree with you, though most parents are vested 
enough in their children's future to be willing to foot the bill. This 
they do in the U.S. by electing to move to areas where the schools have 
a good reputation and also where the tax rates are higher to support 
that reputation.

For 18-year-olds, it is the expectation in the US that these are no 
longer children. They can vote as adults, they can indulge in adult 
vices of most sorts, they can serve in the military. As such, if they 
want to further their own careers by getting specialized education (say, 
to prepare to be medical doctors), Americans treat that as "OK, this is 
on your dime, then."

>
> Schools are a typical community service, which is provided to the
> citizens by the state.
>
> The municipal funds are filled by taxes, which the citizens pay.
>
> But the taxes are not paid for schools or any other particular service,
> but as general income of the state.
>
>>> The reason: schools are among those public services, people usually
>>> expect in return for their taxes.
>>
>> Exactly, so people do indeed pay for schooling.  You seem to have an
>> entitlement attitude.
>
> No. Taxes are not paid for schools. Taxes are paid to maintain the
> various activities of the state and schools are only one part.

  From what funds do you suppose that teacher salaries are paid?

>
> And you have to pay taxes, even if you have no kids in schools.
>
> ..
>>
>> When I went to elementary school, my parents paid the "tuition" directly.
>
> And you think, that "tuition" was worth the money?
>
>
> TH


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#390315

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-08-19 02:45 +0200
Message-ID<e1n35oFa8q7U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#390310
Am 19.08.2016 00:33, schrieb Odd Bodkin:

>>>>>> The concept of paid schools is kind of alien in the German society.
>>>>>> Usually public schools and universities are free.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you implying that German teachers work for free? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Sure, the teachers get paid. But pupils do not pay.
>>>
>>> Of course they do, or their parents do. You seem to have an entitlement
>>> attitude.
>>
>>
>> Students in school are actually kids, who have no income. So it would
>> make no sense to demand money from kids, who don't have that money and
>> who would not demand that service.
>
> For 10-year-olds, I agree with you, though most parents are vested
> enough in their children's future to be willing to foot the bill. This
> they do in the U.S. by electing to move to areas where the schools have
> a good reputation and also where the tax rates are higher to support
> that reputation.


In Germany we have several levels of administration, which are organised 
according to a certain principle. In German that is called 
'Subsidiaritätsprtinzip'.

This means roughly, that a certain level should do, what no level below 
could eventually do.


The structure of the nation is is like this:

at the lowest level there is the individual
then comes the family
next communities (villages, towns)
a certain area is called 'Kreis' (county)
the next level is 'Land' (~> state)
at national level is the Federal Republic of Germany

(further levels are: EU and World)

The level 'Land' is responsible for schools and universities in a more 
general form. This entity collects taxes and pays for the schools.

The level 'Kreis' organises schools, sets in teachers or headmasters and 
so forth.

The city or village builds the school and maintains it.

So schools have similar standards over the state and taxes are similar 
throughout the country.

If you are rich enough, you can send your kids to a private school. It 
is also possible to make donations to local schools, thou not a common 
practise.

The schools are somehow better in richer areas, since usually the kids 
are less problematic there.

But in principle the schools are the same everywhere.


This not the case in the USA, since schools are build, paid and 
organised by the local entity (like town).

The residents of that town pay certain taxes and only these are used to 
build and run schools.

But in Germany we do not have such municipal taxes.  We have taxes 
mainly at the level of the 'Land' and nationwide.

The money is then distributed according to difficult schemes to every level.

The lower levels have, nevertheless, certain kinds of own income and 
there are actually a few local fees and taxes. But mainly the money is 
taken from the funds of the nation or the state.

So we do not have such problematic practise, that moving to a 'better' 
area would also enable to attend better schools.

Actually the schools are slightly better in rich areas and eventually 
way worse in regions with very poor migrant population.

But these differences are not caused by decisions of the state or due to 
different funds.  Its mainly the kind of kids, that make a difference.



> For 18-year-olds, it is the expectation in the US that these are no
> longer children. They can vote as adults, they can indulge in adult
> vices of most sorts, they can serve in the military. As such, if they
> want to further their own careers by getting specialized education (say,
> to prepare to be medical doctors), Americans treat that as "OK, this is
> on your dime, then."


Apparently the US government is ripping off the citizens, if they do not 
want to pay for schools and collages.

So what justifies taxes at all?

The monstrous army and these questionable wars?


TH

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#390358

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-19 07:30 -0500
Message-ID<np6u58$2fo$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#390315
On 8/18/2016 7:45 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> For 18-year-olds, it is the expectation in the US that these are no
>> longer children. They can vote as adults, they can indulge in adult
>> vices of most sorts, they can serve in the military. As such, if they
>> want to further their own careers by getting specialized education (say,
>> to prepare to be medical doctors), Americans treat that as "OK, this is
>> on your dime, then."
>
>
> Apparently the US government is ripping off the citizens, if they do not
> want to pay for schools and collages.

Now, now. Different does not mean worse.
In your country it may be an EXPECTATION that the government pays for 
schools and colleges, and so the fact that it does seems right. Here, it 
is not an expectation, and so the absence of it is not a loss.

>
> So what justifies taxes at all?
>
> The monstrous army and these questionable wars?

I think you'll find that the US budget is well documented and easily 
found on the web. You'll learn that there's more for the government to 
do than to have an army and to subsidize higher education. If you want 
to judge which system produces better results, Germany has 61 Nobel 
Prize, and the US has 257.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#390473

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-08-21 07:12 +0200
Message-ID<e1srikFl0uaU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#390358
Am 19.08.2016 14:30, schrieb Odd Bodkin:

>>> For 18-year-olds, it is the expectation in the US that these are no
>>> longer children. They can vote as adults, they can indulge in adult
>>> vices of most sorts, they can serve in the military. As such, if they
>>> want to further their own careers by getting specialized education (say,
>>> to prepare to be medical doctors), Americans treat that as "OK, this is
>>> on your dime, then."
>>
>>
>> Apparently the US government is ripping off the citizens, if they do not
>> want to pay for schools and collages.
>
> Now, now. Different does not mean worse.
> In your country it may be an EXPECTATION that the government pays for
> schools and colleges, and so the fact that it does seems right. Here, it
> is not an expectation, and so the absence of it is not a loss.

I do in fact think, that schools are among those public services, which 
a state should provide.

Other services are: streets, pavements, water-supply, police and justice.

In case of higher education there could be eventually different rules. 
But schools are mandatory and every single kid should have the 
possibility to learn.

>>
>> So what justifies taxes at all?
>>
>> The monstrous army and these questionable wars?
>
> I think you'll find that the US budget is well documented and easily
> found on the web. You'll learn that there's more for the government to
> do than to have an army and to subsidize higher education. If you want
> to judge which system produces better results, Germany has 61 Nobel
> Prize, and the US has 257.
>

You cannot measure the situation in a certain country by counting Nobel 
prices.

Sure, USA has more. But one reason was WW II, after which all German 
scientists were hijacked and taken to the USA and to Russia.

Physics in Germany was world-class in the beginning of the 20th century.

Then came a series of devastating events, which look like administered 
from abroad (and by secret societies):

WW I
Versaille treaty
Revolution
Fascist coup
hyperinflation no. 1
Sex and drugs era of the 20th
world economy crisis
hyperinflation no. 2
Nazi dictatorship
WW II
complete destruction of all cities
hyperinflation no.3
occupation
loss of one third of the country
loss of one third of the population
loss of almost all scientists, books and univerities
communists dictatorship in East Germany
cold war and iron curtain running through the country

TH

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#390527

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-08-21 17:41 -0500
Message-ID<npdam6$1af5$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#390473
On 8/21/2016 12:12 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 19.08.2016 14:30, schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>
>>>> For 18-year-olds, it is the expectation in the US that these are no
>>>> longer children. They can vote as adults, they can indulge in adult
>>>> vices of most sorts, they can serve in the military. As such, if they
>>>> want to further their own careers by getting specialized education
>>>> (say,
>>>> to prepare to be medical doctors), Americans treat that as "OK, this is
>>>> on your dime, then."
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently the US government is ripping off the citizens, if they do not
>>> want to pay for schools and collages.
>>
>> Now, now. Different does not mean worse.
>> In your country it may be an EXPECTATION that the government pays for
>> schools and colleges, and so the fact that it does seems right. Here, it
>> is not an expectation, and so the absence of it is not a loss.
>
> I do in fact think, that schools are among those public services, which
> a state should provide.

And this is your opinion. Not universally shared.

>
> Other services are: streets, pavements, water-supply, police and justice.
>
> In case of higher education there could be eventually different rules.
> But schools are mandatory and every single kid should have the
> possibility to learn.
>
>>>
>>> So what justifies taxes at all?
>>>
>>> The monstrous army and these questionable wars?
>>
>> I think you'll find that the US budget is well documented and easily
>> found on the web. You'll learn that there's more for the government to
>> do than to have an army and to subsidize higher education. If you want
>> to judge which system produces better results, Germany has 61 Nobel
>> Prize, and the US has 257.
>>
>
> You cannot measure the situation in a certain country by counting Nobel
> prices.
>
> Sure, USA has more. But one reason was WW II, after which all German
> scientists were hijacked and taken to the USA and to Russia.

LOL. You may note that a number of Jewish German scientists fled BEFORE 
the start of WWII.

>
> Physics in Germany was world-class in the beginning of the 20th century.

Yes, it was.

>
> Then came a series of devastating events, which look like administered
> from abroad (and by secret societies):
>
> WW I
> Versaille treaty
> Revolution
> Fascist coup
> hyperinflation no. 1
> Sex and drugs era of the 20th
> world economy crisis
> hyperinflation no. 2
> Nazi dictatorship
> WW II
> complete destruction of all cities
> hyperinflation no.3
> occupation
> loss of one third of the country
> loss of one third of the population
> loss of almost all scientists, books and univerities
> communists dictatorship in East Germany
> cold war and iron curtain running through the country

And you know, of course, that most of these were brought on by the 
German people themselves?

>
> TH


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#390551

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-08-22 06:02 +0200
Message-ID<e1vbrjF93idU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#390527
Am 22.08.2016 00:41, schrieb Odd Bodkin:
> On 8/21/2016 12:12 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 19.08.2016 14:30, schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>>
>>>>> For 18-year-olds, it is the expectation in the US that these are no
>>>>> longer children. They can vote as adults, they can indulge in adult
>>>>> vices of most sorts, they can serve in the military. As such, if they
>>>>> want to further their own careers by getting specialized education
>>>>> (say,
>>>>> to prepare to be medical doctors), Americans treat that as "OK,
>>>>> this is
>>>>> on your dime, then."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently the US government is ripping off the citizens, if they do
>>>> not
>>>> want to pay for schools and collages.
>>>
>>> Now, now. Different does not mean worse.
>>> In your country it may be an EXPECTATION that the government pays for
>>> schools and colleges, and so the fact that it does seems right. Here, it
>>> is not an expectation, and so the absence of it is not a loss.
>>
>> I do in fact think, that schools are among those public services, which
>> a state should provide.
>
> And this is your opinion. Not universally shared.
>
>>
>> Other services are: streets, pavements, water-supply, police and justice.
>>
>> In case of higher education there could be eventually different rules.
>> But schools are mandatory and every single kid should have the
>> possibility to learn.
>>
>>>>
>>>> So what justifies taxes at all?
>>>>
>>>> The monstrous army and these questionable wars?
>>>
>>> I think you'll find that the US budget is well documented and easily
>>> found on the web. You'll learn that there's more for the government to
>>> do than to have an army and to subsidize higher education. If you want
>>> to judge which system produces better results, Germany has 61 Nobel
>>> Prize, and the US has 257.
>>>
>>
>> You cannot measure the situation in a certain country by counting Nobel
>> prices.
>>
>> Sure, USA has more. But one reason was WW II, after which all German
>> scientists were hijacked and taken to the USA and to Russia.
>
> LOL. You may note that a number of Jewish German scientists fled BEFORE
> the start of WWII.
>
>>
>> Physics in Germany was world-class in the beginning of the 20th century.
>
> Yes, it was.
>
>>
>> Then came a series of devastating events, which look like administered
>> from abroad (and by secret societies):
>>
>> WW I
>> Versaille treaty
>> Revolution
>> Fascist coup
>> hyperinflation no. 1
>> Sex and drugs era of the 20th
>> world economy crisis
>> hyperinflation no. 2
>> Nazi dictatorship
>> WW II
>> complete destruction of all cities
>> hyperinflation no.3
>> occupation
>> loss of one third of the country
>> loss of one third of the population
>> loss of almost all scientists, books and univerities
>> communists dictatorship in East Germany
>> cold war and iron curtain running through the country
>
> And you know, of course, that most of these were brought on by the
> German people themselves?
>

This is the typical lie.

lets start with WWI...

This was caused by killing of the Prince of the Austrians and his wife 
in Serbia.

This has nothing to do with Germany, since neither Serbia nor Austria 
are parts of Germany.

The faked 'Kaiser' Wilhelmm II was actually the nephew of Queen Victoria 
and not particular German and not elected, as the title 'kaiser' would 
require.

But it was actually him, who led Germany into a conflict, which was not 
designed to solve any problems, but to kill as many human beings as 
possible.

Most of the victim were in fact British and French.

It was actually Churchill himself, who headed the idiotic campaign of 
Gallipoli.

Also the trenches in Flanders had no other purpose as to kill as many 
people as possible.

Same with the so called Revolution in Russia, initiated by the very same 
circles.

Who these people are, that is not exactly known.

(I personally assume certain sects, like   Rosecrucians and Illuminati, 
who secretly pull the strings from behind the scenes. But actually I do 
not know.)

These groups have also banks and control the money flow, what they had 
used to initiate hyperinflations.

This was exceptionally profitable, since money and property lost by 
ordinary people went into the hands of the 'bad guys'.

And hyperinflation was definitely nothing, what the common man would 
usually chose. So, Germans did neither want trenches in Flanders nor 
hyperinflation.

Similar with communist and/or fascists riots and coups.

To say 'the Germans' made that is simply a lie.

It was nevertheless made and among the makers were Germans, but the 
common people did not participate in such events.

Same pattern with the Nazis.

Personally I believe, that 'Hitler' was the false identity of a British 
spy, who had the real identity Noel Trevenen Huxley.

He lived in the house of the Wagner family in Munich, to where he was 
brought by his brother Julian Huxley. That was a British spy and head of 
'Eugenics'. He went to Bavaria in 1913 for a year (for WWI planning).

Forerunners of the Nazis were actually British and American, like the 
BUF and the Silver Shirts.

Supporters of German Nazis were people like Henry Ford or Prescott Bush.

Churchill also supported the fascists, as we can see in the relation of 
niece Diana to Sir Oswald Mosley and niece Unity to Hitler himself.

It was also found out, that Mussolini was on the payroll of MI6.

Anyhow..

The Nazis have never won any election. Their takeover was actually a 
coup, supported by Ludendorf and Hindenburg.

After this coup democracy was abandoned in Germany. And those, who did 
not comply got killed.

Then came WWII and at its end Germany was completely destroyed.

The Germans themselves had not chosen this end, but have not been asked.

Sure, the German soldiers were mostly Germans. But the single soldier 
had to do, what was told.

This is a hierarchic system, with Hitler at the top. And if the top 
personal conspires with the enemy, then people at the bottom are doomed 
(as Germans were).

To blame the innocent is a typical habit of 'bad guys'. But guilt 
requires something you do and should not, or something you don't do, but 
should.

'Guilt by proxy' is a typical 'bad guy pattern'. This means, that 
innocent people are guilty, because there were near the event.
But justice would require, that guilty are those who do something 
illegal, while other people are not guilty.

So: because Germans are among the 'bad guys' this does not make Germans 
'bad guys'.

The principle of the people being responsible for their nation is 
actually the core of socialism.

Socialism itself is rooted in British aristocracy and above mentioned 
sects.

Especially the Fabians and Eugenics promoted the ideas, upon what 
(national-) socialism is based.

The correct way to see these historic developments would be, that there 
are relatively small groups, which span over several nations and which 
control politics, military of finance within their realm.

Those 'bad guys' attempt to make the people of a certain nation 
complicit, if possible. But their content is not really necessary, since 
even the innocent are punished.

Since 'bad guys' are actually bad, they really love to punish their own 
followers, as we can see in the fate of the SA or Rudolph Hess (and - of 
course- of Germany in total).

TH

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